In the Season 5 finale, Jack runs into stiff opposition to his plan to set things right on the island, while Ben gets a tough job assignment from Locke.
Will Jack blow up Jughead?
Will Locke kill Jacob? Who/what is Jacob?
How did Hurley get on the plane?
Where are Rose and Bernard?
And what, exactly, is Christian smiling about?
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
The Incident - Season 5, Episode 16
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 563 of 563I know...I saw that about Candidate applications being full! Maybe something will happen on the 18th.
I'm having my doubts, too, about this being real.
Question for a Sunday morning -- Do you think Juliet was pregnant?
We certainly got hints of that all the way back to when Amy asked Juliet when she and Jim were going to have a baby. She definitely touched her belly a la Ellie several times, and there's not better way to explain her swinging stop Jack/help Jack emotions.
But if she is/was, what was the point given what ultimately happened? Was her thwarted pregnancy in '77 the cause of the later pregnancy problems on the Island? Is that where it could head?
I definitely get the feeling that Juliet was pregnant. We had just seen Widmore put his hand on Ellie's stomach (and some heard him saying "condition" and, of course, Richard later confirmed that she was pregnant). When Juliet put her hand on her stomach and Bernard knowingly asked if she wanted some tea, I said, yep she's preggers! I also agree that the "incident" somehow changed the fertility on the island.
Oh well that's even more sad if Juliet was preggers. But that must also mean that TPTB have a plan for it, I would think because if not...then like you said memphish- what's the point? So maybe we'll still see Juliet in S6 and/or her offspring?
On another note- I hope that tomorrow we'll find out whether or not this ARG is real or not. I wish there was some sort of TPTB confirmation.
Lets not forget that in the Jacob and Esau story, Jacob was the trickster that cheated fate(first born birthright). Esau was the rightful heir to Issac that got cheated. It's fitting that Jacob's people the others use fake hair to fool people(i.e. Tom:mr friendly). Since that is precisely how the biblical Jacob fooled his father Issac, by gluing on animal hair to appear to be the hairy Esau to His father. In the bible that trickery over the destiny of birthright worked out well for Jacob, he went on to be the father of the 12 tribes of Israel. The first born birthright system is really no different then the caste system, where you are born into your class and you can not change it. It's fitting that the biblical Jacob would not allow himself to be "trapped by time and space" of his birth order. MIB and Esau both wanted o sit back and let fate bring the the fruit of their predetermined destiny.
The beauty of MIB's plan to kill jacob was that he used someone that was also pivital to jacob's plan. Otherwise I can not see any motivation for jacob to have revived Locke after his window plunge. Locke was integral to setting the time loop into place and for that reason Jacob could not afford to remove him from the time line any earlier.
I don't know for certain which side widmore is on, but it would seem that he is on the team of MIB. Widmore may have been communing with MIB for a while on the island. I think that Richard was always the go between of Jacob and the leader of the others. Meaning that Widmore, Hawkings, and Ben never met Jacob. Perhaps because the leader of the others is the only one that can kill Jacob. I say this because when Widmore was upset about Richard sparing young Ben's life. Richard said that Jacob wanted it that way and Widmore really couldn't say anything. I have a feeling that Jacob's periodic touches of Richard have kept him young. All of the leaders of the others seem to age right on schedule. We know know that Bram is working with Jacob and He told MIles he was playing for the wrong team(Widmores)and widmore told locke, he being back on the island was essential to the right side winning. Considering Jacob already had his time loop in place, he no longer needed Locke on the island. Widmores stance of just wanting to kill all outsiders as leader of the others also seems like MIB's philosophy. The question is what team Hawkings is playing for. The way Richard cold cocked her in the tunnels, it showed caring and I think she is on team Jacob.
I also think that Jacob was totally prepared for Ben to kill him, why else have Illana bring Sayid to the island and give him a chance to kill ben and thus make ben an other. Jacob was willing to exchange his life for jack and kate and the rest of the 06 to come back to the island. Probably to help win the coming war in 2007 after He(Jacob) could no longer help.
I don't think that every premonition on the island is from smokey or MIB. Jacob's speech to Hurley seems to prove that the real dead people could appear to certain people. So I am not willing to say that Christian was always MIB. I think the christian that Locke saw in the well before he turned the donkey wheel was MIB, because he told Locke he had to die, but i think most of the other times we saw christian it was really his spirit. For example when Locke say Christian in the Cabin i feel that was really christian. Notice he never told Locke that he had to die or not let jack and co. leave.
Now that we know that Locke is really dead, his line to miles before turning the wheel seems that much more prophetic. He said I will see u when I get back to Miles and miles only. This seems to point to the fact that Miles will be back in 2007 on the island next season and be able to commune with Locke through his dead body.
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I now wonder if the urgency to bury dead people on the island may tie to MIB's ability to morph into a dead person. Perhaps he can only take the shape of someone that isn't buried. We have seen him take Yemi's form and Yemi was not buried. He has taken locke's form and he is not buried and he has taken Christian's form and I assume He is not buried. Which might also explain why Ben didn't want his father or any of the dharma people buried under soil. Perhaps this gave MIB the power to impersonate any of those people retroactively to 1977. We also think that MIB/flocke impersonated Alex and if you remember Ben did not have time to bury her either.
I also wonder what smokey is really judging people for when he scans them. It may not be about good or evil, it may just be for his own selfish reasons. It's fitting that we don't have a name for MIB, because Ben told Flocke the others didn't have a name for smokey.
I also think it's quite possible that Jacob healed Ben when he was a kid, but does not remember it
I think MIB has definitely been working this plan since at least 1954 when he starts using Locke to con Richard. Richard keeps waiting for this loser to be the chosen one. He continues to have faith despite what he sees (which is the essence of faith) and that's what MIB's plan hinges on. Slocke (MIB) tells Jacob you have no idea what I've been through to accomplish this (or something along those lines). But basically it seems to be a long con, a con which required getting Locke to the Island, stringing Ben along and keeping Richard from seeing through it.
As for Widmore I think MIB had to get him out of the way because Ben was more easily manipulated. I'm guessing Widmore became leader after Ellie left before giving birth to Daniel. (I think she left before then because Daniel never got nosebleeds.) So MIB got rid of Widmore to put Ben in place. I don't understand why Jacob wouldn't see Ben to counteract MIB though. I think it may be the case that Jacob doesn't interact directly on Island but rather off Island, though why that would be is unclear.
I also don't think Widmore (or Ben or any other mortal Island leader) is aware of or taking sides in this Jacob vs. MIB rumble. I think they ascribe to Jacob things that are actually MIB, and Jacob allows them to think that. So in terms of Widmore and his use of Abaddon to get Locke to the Island I think Widmore thought he was merely ousting Ben in their own personal feud, but not that he was doing anything that would harm Jacob.
To bolster my theory that MIB can only take the form of not buried people I will add this. When Coleen died they all dressed like Jacob in the white garb and sent her to a fiery viking funeral at sea. Perhaps it was so MIB/smokey could never assume her form or so she wouldn't haunt the island. Well i think it's no coincidence that Flocke threw Jacob in the fire. He didn't want to chance Jacob showing up and changing things beyond the grave. We already saw with Miles earlier this season that his power is dependent on having a corpse, ashes wont do. So why would it be any different on the island, assuming that miles power comes from his contact with the island. Perhaps Miles also needs the body to be close to the surface. All the times that miles has communed with the dead they have either been above ground or in shallow graves(i.e. rousseau/karl or the soldiers he encountered in shallow graves in 1954)
I agree that MIB put his plan into affect before 1954, but i think that Locke could have been important to both sides as I said, finding the hatch and a whole host of other things had to happen, driven by Locke to create the time flash loop. I think that the parameters of the time flashes only spanned to 1880 or whatever time we saw MIB and Jacob on the beach(hence the complete statue right before Locke turned the wheel) to 2007. Why did they never flash to say 1000 yrs earlier?
I assume that the butcher shop lady was an other as well and she was on board with the Locke plan, but that goes back to Richard being conned into thinking Locke was chosen. Richard being conned is the key to the whole thing. If he never thought Ben was just a placeholder for Locke, he may have treated Ben better.
Ultimately Ben always played by the rules, other than the Alex thing. Richard made one incredibly bad error in breaking the "rules".
I assume that Locke killing Cooper to assume the leadership throne was one of the rules to become the leader. Ben wanted Locke to actually do it. He knew Locke didn't have the stones and he would have kept the reigns. Richard went commando or off the reservation in having Sawyer do the deed for Locke and that sealed Jacob's eventual fate. Had Locke not walked up with cooper on his back, it's doubtful Flocke could have rallied the troops to storm the foot in 2007.
I have this feeling that Sawyer may be related to jacob or in line to become the new leader of the others. I think it's the way they both seem to read all the time. Considering he did actually kill cooper. I also think that flocke was giving Ben the third degree about what happened at jacob's cabin the first time, not to judge him, but to flesh out how much of his plan that Ben was really aware of. I don't think Ben was being completely truthful with Flcok. IN the Cabin Ben didn't seem to miss a beat when he went from "fake" talking to jacob to whatever happened when locke lit up the flashlight. There had to be a specific reason He took Locke there.
I think they gave us a clue in the finale. I always wondered why Ben had the chamber to summon the smoke monster in his house. We saw this week that in order to get Jack and co back in otherville Richard smashed a hole in the basement of Horace's house. I bet this will later be Ben's house. Assumeing the DI survived the swan blast, That will give Horace 15 years on the island with a hatch in his house leading to the tunnels. This might also explain how Ethan became an other seemingly before the purge.
It has also been pointed out that the flash we saw when julliette detonated the bomb may not have been a huge explosion, but rather another white time flash that she triggered that would have sent her and the rest back to 2007. Perhaps the extra energy was needed to reset the donkey wheel clock. Even if it was an explosion, i can see all the time trapped '77's instantly flashing before the bomb could kill them. So I would not be surprised if nothing changed and detonating the bomb was WHH or I could see major changes like the swan clock never coming into existence, but I feel with the pilot going 1000 miles off course that 815 might have crashed there regardless as a course correction.
I like your Colleen idea 2costa. And yes, why didn't the LBs skip wayway back in time?! :-D
I've been hoping that the bomb did not go off and that the flash was some kind of energy thing. TPTB spent a good amount of time telling us that both sites had similar properties and instablilties when drilling into them. Maybe the Swan area magnetism is the same as the FDW energy, but it just didn't have a wheel attached to it yet. So it could cause the same kind of skipping, but without the "control" that the FDW has. ??
Ooh, maybe a new ARG? Even if it's fan based, I'm in for some action!
Oh, and memphish - from ages ago (sorry, just caught up on comments).
I think what Roland was doing in Drawing of the Three is different from what MIB is doing. Roland's "victims" were still alive - he was just seeing through their eyes and convincing them to do things. I don't think he actually took over their bodies, right?
Hey guys,
Tomorrow at 6:30pm Steve and I are going to record our last podcast of the season. But before that at 6:00 I'd love to have some of you come on and talk about what you thought about the season. Join us Live at Talkshoe. It'll be fun!!
i think that MIB was dave and was trying to make hurley jump off the cliff because hurley is innocent and truly has the gift of seeing dead people. I also think that jacob visiting sawyer and kate as children was significant. Perhaps sawyer and Kate are possible canidates.
Thatnks for the heads-up Passafist!
I'd tend to agree with that 2costa.
How would MIB be Dave without a body? Also when MIB was Locke everyone saw him, but no one but Hurley saw Dave. I don't think MIB was Dave.
I heard this on a podcast, but had not seen it here. They were positing that MIB who is Smokey the Judge cannot kill Jacob because Jacob hasn't broken any laws. That's why he needed someone else to kill Jacob; MIB can only kill those who are judged and deemed guilty unto death.
Hi all, just posting my initial thoughts before reading all the comments so far.
My first reaction was that it was slightly disappointing, but I think there was lots more in the episode than I first noticed so I'll reserve judgement for now.
The whole incident part of it was fairly predictable and pointless really, but if all that changes next year then I'll be happy.
Remember to set off a nuclear bomb all you need to do is hit it with a rock !
Right having read all the comments I realised that my disappointment is actually frustration.
The episode was a very good episode of Lost, but it suffered from the usual problem in Lost of building and building and then not giving an answer.
It was very much like the season 1 finale where everything had been building and we were left with a very frustrating final scene which gave no clues as to what will happen.
I hope that if we have already seen some alternate timeline flashbacks that we will get a method of identifying them, as we won't have many direct comparison ones like the wedding.
I just hope that in the final season we don't get lots of episodes of people walking back and forth across the island waiting for something to happen. There are going to have to be lots of answers in a relatively small amount of time.
In the flashback with little Kate was the boy she was with, holding the plane that she later robs a bank for ?
Sorry for all the posts in a row, but I've got a million and one questions and no answers as usual at the end of a season.
I just hope that the final season either deals with the time looping by showing multiple outcomes / iterations of the story we have already seen, but in single episodes not lots of episodes for one iteration.
Or it moves forward from the killing Jacob point with everyone we care about in the same time line / place, with an explanation of what has happened so far. Even if that means the implied deaths of Juliet and Sayid are cancelled out (which I hope they are)
I'm still up for compiling a list of must answer questions that we all want included in the final series.
We could send the top 5 questions we have for the final year and possibly the one question we can live without being answered.
By the way if we are being recruited for the shadow people in a new ARG, I do hope we don't get Hans VanEegan as a recruitment officer !
So sorry for all the posts, but I'm on my own at the moment !
As there is much talk of an ARG I've added a new post at The Lost ARGs Blog
Hey zort I'm sorry you're somewhat disappointed and frustrated with the finale.
I liked it and thought the introduction of Jacob and the MIB was interesting. Even though Sayid was gut shot and Jack was more interested in fighting with Sawyer and depositing his bomb than helping him and I have to wait 8 months to find out if he survived.
Jacob did touch him though. However I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
I'm looking at the other flashbacks trying to see if there are any differences other than with Jack and Sun and Jin.
Yes that was the the airplane see robbed a bank for. The boy is the one see dug up the time capsule with when she went to visit her mom. The lunch box she stole was the time capsule.
Thanks for the new post at LostARGS. It probably fan made but it gives us something to do for awhile at least.
lol I even got my correction wrong. It's too early.
Those sees should be she.
BTW zort
They're saying this youtube is part of the possible ARG too.
It's titled With this fire I purify.
Warning it's very annoying. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czpUwW0QS0A
I don't know why I didn't hot link that? I told you it was too early. :)
With this fire I purify
The first post over at LostARG is from Jenny.
Jenny said...
its a fake. abc confirmed in a podcast that there would be no arg this yearLisa doesn't seem to believe that. I guess we'll see.
I hate that blogger won't space for me when I use html.
memphish
It seems it character that Jacob touched was at a pivotal in there life. Except Sayid his seem to be created. And I'm not sure about Hurley. I just think he's special.
Kate was about to make her time capsule. And wanted to run away. Maybe she never starts running.
Jack didn't have confidence in himself. Didn't think he could be a leader.
Sawyer (as you said) may never finish the letter and let it be what's done it done. And doesn't hold that anger in him the rest of his life.
Boy my typos are bad today.
Sayid'sgirl - the question we haven't had answered is whether these encounters with Jacob are part of the original timeline or some new time line because of the bomb, or a new timeline because of the MIB's interference.
That is a big gripe with the way the story is going, that we have no reference points for these things, anything we have seen or might see in the future may or may not have happened, there seems to be no way to tell.
zort
I know.
It could be Jacob went to them, touched them to set them on the right path. Then the MIB did something to change that. So Jacob brought them to the island to prove him wrong.
Or it could be the exact opposite. lol
I've been listening to podcasts and have a couple of questions.
1) How did Ilana know how to find the cabin and the foot? Does this mean she used to live on the Island? Would it have to have been during Dharma days or after given that we believe Horace built the cabin? And if so, why didn't she know what Richard looked like or that he went by Richard vs. Ricardos?
2) Who broke the ash circle? Moreover what was the point of the ash circle -- to keep someone in or out? Ilana went there looking for someone. We presume Jacob, but is that accurate? When she gets to the foot she asks for Richard, so was she looking for Richard at the cabin? If she was looking for Jacob why doesn't she ask for him instead of Richard at the foot? Or was she looking for MIB at the cabin and at the foot?
3) What's the deal with dead bodies? If the reason Richard wanted Paul's body was to make sure it was properly disposed of, why isn't he concerned about Roger Linus' body, the bodies in the Beechcraft and the bodies in the open Dharma pit? Why didn't they ever come to see what the Losties were doing with all their dead bodies at the beach. The dead body thing has been vastly inconsistent.
4) When Jacob and MIB are talking in the opening MIB says "it always ends the same" and Jacob says "it only ends once." Do you think Jacob means for each group of people he brings to the Island or for good that there's only one ending? Because if MIB thinks that killing Jacob means that once everyone on the Island dies it's over, then that would explain why he's so annoyed when Jacob mutters "they're coming." MIB thinks Jacob can't bring more groups in, but psych, he's already got a group on the way. Or is it the case that with Jacob dead whatever happens with the group of people now left on the Island will be it? It will finally end because Jacob can't bring more groups to the Island to continue the game?
who knows where dave's body is? dave was definetly some kind of evil force on and off the island
i wonder if my theory about there being white smoke off the island is bolstered by jacob's off island exploits. I don't think MIB can do stuff off the island, but who knows
The other thing I don't get about the bodies is the fact that Christian and Yemi's bodies seem to be missing whereas Locke's is not.
Long time no write, but here we are. Hope everyone is doing well!
So, it looks like the statue is Sobek, the crocodile-headed Egyptian god. Its Wikipedia page mentions fertility as well as Sobek being a "repairer of evil," both of which fit themes on the show. At the very end of the entry it mentions Sobek having captured the Four Sons of Horus (who helped the dead into the afterlife):
- Hapi, who is connected with navigation;
- Imsety, who revived dead corpses on their way to the afterlife;
- Duamutef, worshiper of the dead; and
- Qebehsenuef, who gave the dead refreshment.
Horus (Horace) has certainly been mentioned on the show before, so he's probably important in some way. The most interesting thing about his four sons is that they are associated with the four points on a compass. Pretty interesting considering how important a certain compass has been this season.
Could Jacob and the man in black be 2 of Horus's four sons? Could Jacob be Sobek, or another Egyptian deity? And, finally, what happened to the statue? It must have been something pretty devastating considering it was still intact when the Black Rock arrived.
1. The read I got on Ilana is she's been around for awhile like Jacob and the MIB. Which is why she asked for Richardus the latin version of Richard.
That's also why I think she probably knows the island so well.
2. My feeling on the ash was it was to keep something/someone in but I'm not sure about that.
If it was Jacob she was looking for she probably knew Richard would know where he was. Just a guess.
3. I always thought Richard wanted Paul's body to take back to his people to show he exacted justice for the one's who were killed. An eye for an eye. What Alex had said about Julet.
4. To me I thought he meant it only ended once as a whole. Each group has it's end but that's not "the end". It's progress. According to Jacob.
But what the end entails I don't know.
I, too, feel that Ilana has been around for a long time and knows where everything is on the island. But why doesn't she know who Richard (Ricardus) is?
I'm also wondering why Locke's body is still around. Do we actually know what happened with Christian's body. I know it was missing from the coffin. For all we know Alex's body still in Dharmaville. Also, we have thought that it was important to bring back a dead Locke to the island to replace a dead Christian, but maybe it was because it was part of MIB's overall plan to become Locke and he needed that body. So that would make Eloise part of his plan, as well as Ben?
Zort: Thanks for the update on Lost Args.
Listening to various podcasts todays. On DarkUFO, Carmel, has an interesting idea:
Frank has said he was supposed to be the original pilot on 815. And in the first episode, the Pilot is killed by the Smoke Monster (who a lot of people are theorizing is MIB). Also, Ilana thinks Frank might be a good candidate (for leader?) Maybe the MIB killed the pilot thinking it was Frank! This might mean that Frank is really the next leader.
Ooooh Maven - interesting idea!
LOL! You guys are great. I have no idea myself. I'm pretty satisfied with thinking Jacob is some archetype of Jesus, the MIB/Locke is the devil (which is who I thought Locke was from the start) and Ben is Judas.
Juliet died tragically as befits her name. Jack and Sawyer both finally realized Kate was jerking them around. And Desmond and Penny are off somewhere out of sight and out of mind.
And I've since decided all that's okay.
Because Sawyer did get a chance to love someone who loved him back even if was for a mere 3 years.
I don't need any more answers. I'm good. Next year is seeming like it will be sort of an "Epilogue" no matter where they go with it.
:)
I posted this link on the lostargs site, but it seems to be quite relevant to what we saw in the final episode this year.
Genesis 27
i think Ben still has a chance of redeeming himself. I almost think that even jacob realized he had to die to locke-down the timeline, when it was one with a semi-preferred outcome. Perhaps Ben's whole thing about saint thomas was referring to the resurrection of jacob and not locke. I guess it's clear that Ben really was gonna miss Locke and didn't expect him to be alive again, but he really played it off well when he woke up to locke. I wonder is Sun is a tool of MIB. Perhaps killing coleen among other things have pushed her to be the unwitting tool of MIB. If Sun doesn't knock out ben, then FLocke doesn't have such a great oppurtunity to manipulate him so fast.
Flocke talking to illana after the crash before he become all over cnfident really seemed like the real locke. It seems most of the 0ceanic 6's 3 yrs off island was all geared towards letting Ben sneak back to the island, because a dead Locke coming back to the island without Ben does not get a chance to kill Jacob. The chances he could convince anyone else to do it are slim. I still think that only the leader of the others can kill Jacob, since Locke was dead, Ben was still the leader.
I think that we are supposed to think that jacobs advice to young kate not to steal was to eat away at her about stealing Arron and thus go back. He didn't warn her not to kill or anything else like that. I think perhaps jacob's advice to sawyer to be a good boy, may have been the catalyst to why he jumped off the chopper among other things. It seems like after killing Cooper, Sawyer was a much better boy.
i also think it's interesting that Flocke didn't give Ben the third degree about the episode at the cabin until after smokey scanned him in the catacombs. I almost wonder if there is some significance to all the seeming memory loss Ben had in 2007. Plane, what plane? that kind of stuff. Ben most certainly would have known about the yemi plane just from going to the pearl with Juliette.
did you see my post ZOrt about how fitting the others jacob's people are known to use fake hair and talked about the trickery of jacob and how God rewarded that, like even God had to accept the loophole blessing that jacob got from Issac.
Has anyone mentioned that Jacob's Loom is like a dharma wheel???
Hi 2Costa, yes I saw the info, all very interesting
here are the 9 short stories that are in the Flannery O'Connor book jacob was reading, Everything that rises Must Converge, when locke took his plunge.
* "Everything That Rises Must Converge"
* "Greenleaf"
* "A View of the Woods"
* "The Enduring Chill"
* "The Comforts of Home"
* "The Lame Shall Enter First"
* "Revelation"
* "Parker's Back"
* "Judgment Day"
interesting this was written as she died of lupus and published posthumously.
This is s small summary of the end of revalation:Mary Grace hurls the book she is reading at Mrs. Turpin and lunges at her throat. The book, ironically titled Human Development, strikes Mrs. Turpin above her eye. The girl is subdued by the doctor and nurse who call an ambulance to come and take the girl away. Before she leaves, she whispers a powerful message to Mrs.Turpin. Just loud enough for her to hear, she says, "Go back to hell where you came from, you old wart hog." Mrs. Turpin finds this comment very unsettling, and she wonders if it may have been a message from God, who may be trying to intervene in her life. Still anxious, she returns home. While working on her farm she questions God aloud. As she contemplates the "message" he has sent her, she has a vision of the souls of the characters from the waiting room walking up to Heaven, and her soul last of all.
Interesting 2coasta. Those titles kind of seem like they could be titles for some of the Lost eps that we've seen so far. :-)
Wasn't something supposed to happen on that new FARG today? Did I miss it?
capcom
No not really. A few more messages from the same people and a few new people. Some websites posted.
But nothing about cadidates.
zort put a couple of posts up at LostARGs on it.
We're awaiting a blog post from Elliot Graves on the FARG! There are also some web sites linked, but they make no sense.
But wasn't something big supposed to happen on the 18th? Or is it June 18th. :o)
capcom this was posted at lostpedia blog by marielevenster
So far the three "confirmed" in-game twitter accounts are @simeonhobbes, @epithetalpha and @elliottgraves.
When this all started, there was an opportunity to DM KnowThyself to @epithetalpha, at which time you got a DM back stating "Are you a candidate? Await further instructions May 18."
Shortly thereafter, @epithetalpha tweeted "Candidate applications full. Await review."
The next day (this morning) those of us who were under "candidate review" got a DM from @epithetalpha "THIS IS AIDONEUS. I hacked this account to help you. These people will take everything away from you. BEING A CANDIDATE MEANS THE END."
On the twitter feed the hacker wrote "DEFACED BY AIDONEUS. ¡DON'T TRUST SIMEON HOBBES!"
Then later today @elliottgraves published his first blog entitled "Who is Simeon Hobbes". We're now all waiting for a second blog, while trying to weed out the non participating Twitter accounts.
You can read more about it here: http://lostarg.wordpress.com/
Tx Sayidsgirl!
For those interested in following this "thing", this is the blog at Lostpedia that seems to be up-to-date on it.
Lots of updates on the LostARG's websiteA new puzzle to solve which could involve lots of work.
I think Ben should kill Slocke while he's there in the foot with the knife. Then he could really be in charge.
DO you think ben realized from the moment he told Sun that dead is dead that he was not dealing with our Locke but Locke 2.0. if not i wonder if he even thinks he can be leader again.
also is the ARG real or fake? i think i have seen both answers so far.
I feel like the ARG is fan generated. The fact that I'm getting emails directly from Simon Hobbes without having participated at all is my main clue. I think someone has compiled emails from fan blogs and that's why I'm getting them because I haven't followed anyone on Twitter or commented anywhere.
For a fan based thing it is pretty sophisticated, but I am leaning towards fan based as there have been a few websites set up that may be relevant, most of which have .uk suffixes :
WidmoreIndustries.co.uk
Widmorecorporation.co.uk
paikheavyindustries.com
thehansofoundation.org.uk/
ABC just announced that LOST will air Thursdays at 8 pm ET/PT next year. I hate that time and day. I won't be able to watch it live. That's 7 pm here. And Thursday is my comedy night, though not if ABC and FOX who moved Fringe to Thursdays too have anything to say about it apparently.
Man, 8 p.m.? That's kind of crappy. I rarely make it home and have dinner by then!
Morning! WOW...is LOST really an 8PM show? (Personally, it's fine for me...now some of you will still be up by the time the west coast is done!)
There's an update at DarkUFO: First info was incorrect. Don't know yet if LOST will be Wed. @9 or Tues @10.
I've just seen the update on the Lost Fantasy League about Locke not being the real Locke.
Much recalculation will be needed so no results for a while.
I don't really care what night LOST comes on, but I don't like the time slot. Mainly I don't want any content to have to be jeopardized due to the time (not that I want ultra violence or anything- but you know what I mean).
I think the ARG is fan based because it just doesn't seem to have the scope that the others did. And memphish, if you're getting emails and haven't even participated, then that seems a little fishy. Also, ABC announced that the other 3 ARGS were going to take place, and they've been silent on this one. It just came out of nowhere. So I am loosely following it, but I'm not going all in unless TPTB confirm it.
The day doesn't matter to me either. But please not at 10:00!
scoutpost
Didn't the first season air at 8:00? I know I watched Alias after it.
i dont like 8:00 at all. but it wont matter if they put it on at midnight on saturday. we am locked in until the end...
rose & bernard- how exactly did they survive for 3 years without trouble from the others?
I don't think the others would worry too much about a couple just wishing to live out their lives quietly by the beach. Sure Widmore probably wanted to kill them and chop off their limbs and burn them and bury them in a pit then dig them up and shoot them a few times, but Richard would have told him to leave them be as they are clearly no threat to anyone.
Lol Fenris - You don't like Widmore too much, huh? He was pretty ruthless, I guess!
LOL Fenris. Perhaps Jacob told them that they were harmless? Were they near where the B612 team ended up on the beach? I mean where Rose sauntered out onto the beach and saw Sawyer ("Oh hell no!"). X-D
And speaking of B612, that story sure does take on a new dimension with the MIB in mind. :-o
oh wow. I couldn't watch the finale on Wednesday, and was away for the next 4 days. Just watched it Monday night, and omg what a mind twister. Just now all caught up with the comments...
Jacob!
Esau?
Juliet! aw no, poor Sawyer...yes that was (for me) as heart wrenching as losing Charlie
Locke? Flocke! What does this mean about Christian, or Yemi, or anybody we've seen post mortem?
Ricardos!
Hurley and the Dharmavan to the rescue once again! Go Hugo!
Chang's arm...ouchies!
I really felt for Juliet when she was crying and beating on Jughead...detonate, dang it! What a Dr. Strangelove moment.
I think we have a really good hiatus ahead of us.
LOL about the "Strangelove moment"! X-D
I don't think Christian was always MIB on the island, there is definitely a real Christian too. In the missing pieces clip where he tells Vincent to go to jack because he has work to do. Vincent doesn't know Christian or jack, so I can't see a reason MIB would assume Christians form or why would MIB have Claire with him in the cabin the other time.
Did you notice that Jacob was sitting in a rocking chair in his foot lair. I think Ben knew he was taking Locke to Jacob's cabin and it was no trick. Ben wanted to truly see if Locke could talk to jacob. Perhaps it was MIB or Christain that said "help me" to locke, but Ben sure thought it was jacob, that's why he shot LOcke, because he was a threat to his primacy. Jacob must have gone to the cabin sometimes, because the part of the tapestry that he put up on the wall, was cut off the left bottom corner from his eye of Horus tapestry in the foot. Illana, also expected to find Jacob there. I think Ben was lying to flocke, when he said it was all just a trick. I think that as Ben told sun Dead is dead and he knows this. I think Ben might know this isn't really Locke, but is seizing the opportunity to kill Jacob and say "gee richardis, I was as surprised as all of you". I also think that at the very least Jacob had to let Ben get into a position to kill him and then make the choice. Why else would Illana let flocke get off the hydra island knowing his corpse was in the box right next to him. Jacob wasn't surprised Ben was in his chambers, and he recognized him and called him the familiar Benjamin. SO jacob definitely knew who ben was, yet illana at least said she didn't. Ben gave Jack a speech about faith before they left on ajira, but he killed jacob because he never came to him directly, that's the essence of faith,that's like a priest killing God given the chance, because he never had a miracle or vision of God. Perhaps Ben was the candidate and not seeing Jacob was a 35 year old test, that he failed.
I also wonder if MIB went and retrieved that knife on one of his secret missions, how else would he get the locke threads and KNife?
Seems like ceasar's instinct's were right on about Locke.
Good thing JIn gave his watch to mike or he would have gotten sucked into the hatch or lost a hand.
Just saw a funny promo on ABC for LOST:
Michael Fox and Teri Hatcher are in the kitchen preparing something (she's chopping veggies and he's stirring something on the stove). He tastes the "soup" and says it needs some spice. She says sexily, "How hot do you want it?" He asks where the ladle is and she says "It's on the island." He flashes to some cuts from the show and says to Teri: "We have to go back, Kate." Then he leaves. Teri says: "Who's Kate?"
Gave me a chuckle!
Looks like the game is up and it is a FARG (Fake ARG).
I've put a post up on LostArgs
Happy Lo- oh, darn.
*sniffle*
ML - it's such a shame that there is nothing to look forward to (Lost wise) until next year.
I do think I'm going to check V out this fall though. Amazing how once she set off the device and the plane didn't crash, Juliet became a reporter instead of a doctor and aliens invaded earth. . .
They should have just built that runway and contained those aliens on the island, I guess.
;)
maven
I seen that commercial last night too.
They had another on that I didn't catch all of. Different flashes of stars from ABC shows.
It had Hurley raking leaves and danciing in the front yard.
Oh, but there is something to look forward to - The Lost Comunity Book Club! :)
I'm ready to start any time with Survivors of the Chancellor. Who's with me?!
Well, I already read Survivors of the Chancellor, so sure. Why not?
Sounds good to me Melissa, can we get a date from David for which date he wants to do the podcast ?
The person running the FARG has confessed and said it is completely and utterly not Lost related.
Still it has been fun for a while following the clues.
I've put a post on the LostArgs site and blamed it all on Maven for first posting about this ! (of course I'm only joking)
I just posted this on the LostArgs but figured I'd put it here too:
There is already a blog set up for the unofficial, not real, fake Elliot Graves-wants-to-find-his-missing-brother fan-created game.
http://lostarg.wordpress.com/
It's a bunch of twitter people and I hope you'll join me over there if you want to play.
I sent David an e-mail earlier, so I'll keep you all posted!
I also left room for doubt, Zort! LOL It did keep us busy for a full week. One down and how many to go?
I just checked: They have the book "Survivors of the Chancellor" on Kindle for iPhone for only $.99!
I'm interested in reading Survivors of the Chancellor, but right now I'm hooked on the Dark Tower series and I probably won't start anything else till I'm done with that. I'm on book 5 I think, and 2 more after that.
Hehe, I don't hate Widmore. Actually I quite like older Widmore (as a baddie anyway), but younger Widmore just seems savage. You can tell how he'd get booted off the island.
I'll definitely check out V. I have found memories of the original even if it kinda fizzled out near the end. It started strong though and Michael Ironside was great as the arms dealer turned resistance co-leader in the middle bit.
i liked when freddy krueger ate the live mouse in V
I liked V better than that one that had aliens with spotty potato-heads. I forget what that one was called, but maybe it came later. V was less disco-y then Buck Rogers, although it was pretty funny. Beedybeedy. :-)
I liked the old Battlestar Galactica too, and at the time I had no idea that it was based somewhat on Mormon doctrine. Not that I cared, just didn't know.
Oh yeah, and Logan's Run on TV was fun for a while too.
Hey! I really loved "Alien Nation"!
spotty potato heads, indeed...
Well they were! :-D The cop was pretty cute.
All I remember about V was that they peeled their skin off and it gave me nightmares for years. . .LOL So, I missed most of it.
Wasn't Alien Nation the one where they had to have some guy come in and perform a ceremony before they could have children? Or was that something else. . .
oh yes, Lost2010...the Tenctonese need three to make a baby: the male, the female, and a special male called a catalyst. He provided a necessary agent that enabled conception.
Just had this update from Lisa :-
this one is at DarkUFO with the things I make for the prizes. Lisa
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/05/win-some-lost-dharma-goodies.html
My Etsy shop and Blogs.........
www.GlenShire.etsy.com
http://www.curlygifts.blogspot.com/
A2BH - I vaguely remember some storyline where one of the catalyst males fell in love and it was a huge scandal. . .I know none of you can imagine that I followed the romance storyline on a show that was primarily about aliens and race relations. . . .
Lost2010...yeah, aliens and race relations is weird enough; good thing there was no time travel involved, now that would be really weird!
Lol. I also liked Alien Nation, pretty sure that was a bit later though. I never quite got into Buck Rogers, but loved Battlestar.
Actually all these old series remakes makes me wonder if they will ever get around to do the Blakes 7 remake they've been talking about for decades.
Happy Memorial Day to everyone! Remember our troops, and may the bbqs begin!
I don't remember "Blakes 7" I feel cheated! Maybe it never crossed the pond. But I did love "Space:1999" and all the other wonderful Gerry Anderson creations! But those early memories may be pushing it a bit for the yunguns on this blog. :-D
Have a good Memorial Day LoCos! Hope you all who work have an enjoyable long weekend. And thanks also to all the veterans in the UK who our veterans worked and perished with, to save the free world! We should remember them too.
Happy Memorial Day.
Happy Memorial Day!
Happy Memorial Day!!!!
in remembrance of the sacrifices that keep us free.
In Memorium;
Since 1620,when we first came over in our own "Black Rock"; Americans have had to sacrifice. And yes, we had our "Others" too.
Thank you,to all those who have given the ultimate sacrifice.
We don't have Memorial day iover here in the UK, but we do have Rememberance Sunday in November it is usualy a very emotional, sad and happy, time for most people.
Fenris - they keep talking about remaking Blakes 7, but it seems to be a rights issue as several people are squabbling over it as a series.
Last time I heard (about a year ago) it was Sky 1 that was going to make a couple of new episodes.
The original Blakes 7 had one of the most disturbing endings ever in TV, at least for the younger version of me ! I won't tell you what happens but it is a complete shock, especially in a world without the internet and no concept of spoilers.
This article at DigitalSpy sums up the 5th season quite nicely :
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a156869/losts-fifth-season-the-verdict.html
OK Zort, I've never seen Blakes7 but now I want to know how it ends! :-o
Thanks for posting the link to that article. Probably the funniest line was, "At times, the increase in elements of time travelling sci-fi put the show in danger of turning into a dull Physics lesson conducted by some tedious goat-faced teacher in a stale tweed jacket and cords." Heehee. I guess that's why TPTB made Daniel so adorable, so the science wouldn't feel so bad. :-D
Another funny line from Zort's article:
"'X-Filesitis' is a disease that occurs when a programme disappears up its own backside by becoming too embroiled in its own, often impenetrable mythology and seeks to answer questions with more questions."
Toooooooo funny! X-D
Where is the finale podcast? The Lost Community podcast is my favorite Lost podcast of them all, so I'm still waiting for this episode to be released. Will there be one or not?
I just seen Lostpedia and Doc Arzt are having a rewatch starting June 1.
Sounds like something I might follow. Lostpedia: Rewatch Offical Discussion Forum
If you can't tell those are 2 separate links.
Blogger doesn't separate html code anymore for some reason.
I'm doing the rewatch. I think S1-4 should be seen through S5 eyes!
So do I maven.
I've actually already re watched all of season one already.
But I'd love to get in on the discussion that will come from the re watching. It should be interesting.
I want to do the rewatch too, but I'm thinking I might watch S5 again before starting at the beginning again.
MadAriad
You've got a good point there. I might re watch season five next before going on to season two.
There are lots of places doing organized rewatches. The biggest is probably at Doc Arzt's. I think it starts this coming Monday. Here's the schedule.
Hey memmphish
That's were I got my info originally.
Then I went to DocArzt and Lostpedia for more info.
Are you going to do the re watch?
lol I was a little heavy on the m's there.
I'll probably conduct my own rewatch. In fact I'm thinking of watching S3, then S4, then S2, then S5 and finally S1 using Doc Jensen's mirror theory. It also lets me get through the cage episodes straightaway instead of bogging down in them mid way through. I plan to rewatch purely for enjoyment and not so much for theorizing though.
For those planning to go to ComicCon I have a question for Damon and Carlton. When Ben turned the wheel why did the 815ers, Freighties and Juliet start jumping through time, but Richard and his Others (including Cindy, the kids and other 815ers presumably) not jump through time? I can accept that Sun didn't flash off 316 because of the unpredictability factor given that conditions weren't identical, but I don't understand why Richard's people present in 2004/5 at the wheel turning didn't jump like the rest of the people in the Island's sphere of influence including the floating on wreckage Jin.
Memphish: I added your question to Scoutpost and my list of questions!
I'll be watching you guys talking about rewatching. :o)
Should we follow one of the rewatches here and discuss? Since, except for the last podcast and the monthly book club post, there won't be any new threads here for a while maybe.
I'm all rewatched out, but I'd happily follow your discussions here. I miss you guys. :)
Me too also. I'd follow the discussions for sure, but I'm not sure that I could keep up with the actual rewatching schedule. :-)
I actually started a re-watch in the run up to this new season. Although I didn't quite complete it. I got to season four and have started watching that again recently.
I picked up on a few interesting things (blogged about some of them), but it occurs to me now that if they have indeed changed history then a lot of it may no longer be relevant and perhaps will remain in the domain of pure speculation.
I do have a strange desire to rip all of my DVD's and re-edit them together to separate the flashbacks from the rest of the episodes and combine the flashbacks into a time frame and put the whole thing back together in a new form....
But I think that can wait until I next feel the need for an insanely ambitious project that will suck up all my time and energy and ultimately have little reward in it's eventual conclusion. I actually do crazy things like that a lot, so it could well happen.
I'm thinking mirror-wise, and stunned by the perfection that is the S1 finale mirrored against the S6 premiere. While S1 ended with a montage of the principles boarding 815, followed by a trailing shot down the hatch, S6 could very well start with a zooming or ascending shot UP that same basic hatch, followed by the principles boarding 815 in a new timeline.
Friggin' crazy.
Doc's got a preview column up today, with a link to ABC's recap of the finale. In that recap, they actually give us the name of the god portrayed by the Statue!
Not that it's really a spoiler, but
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it's Taweret. (click here to read)
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Anyway, kinda cool.
What do we think the canonicity of the ABC recap is? Are they done by the preview people, the pop up people or someone who actually knows what's going on?
Yeah, Lostpedia posted that the Wired mag guest editored(?) by J.J. gives puzzles that say it's Taweret, so I guess that's that...for now. (I bought the mag but didn't do any of the puzzles)
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Giant_statue#Wired_puzzle
That would be wild for S6 , Kyle!
Fenris, I'm almost prepared to offer to pay you whatever it would cost you to make up some DVDs for me that have everything in chronological order from S1 to S6. :o)
And yes, "a lot of it...perhaps will remain in the domain of pure speculation." I'd agree and say probably forever. :-(
Hmmm I thought it was Ammit - Devourer of the Wicked because of what looked like a crocodile head to me.
I think I said it was Horus the night they showed it because that was the first name that came to me. And I was rushing to give my predictiion.
I was thinking of the weighing of the soul from the book of the dead and got it wrong.
Anyway I guess if that's what they choose it to be ok.
Join Host David A Dein and Steve "The Goog" Guglich as they unpack the Lost Season 5 Finale "The Incident." It's a ton of lost fun jammed into 108 minutes.
If you'd like to be a guest on the podcast, have any theories, discover any clues, or just want to say "Hi!", contact TLCpodcast@gmail.com (mp3 comments are accepted as well), or leave a voice mail or fax at (206) 202-3512.
Episode 66 - The Incident
It looked like crocodile TEETH to me Sayidsgirl! X-D
hey y'all
I don't know about the rewatch, or the book club for that matter..this summer looks like it's really going to be busy for me. But I'll be here, mostly lurking, and I'll enjoy the watch of the rewatch comments, along with listening to the podcasts for the book club.
Fenris: what a great idea1 truly ambitious, but hey so was Mt Rushmore.
:)
Fenris, have you checked out ABC.com's timeline? It puts a lot of the flashbacks in order. It also omits some key dates, but it could give you a head start on things.
My lost thoughts are pretty shallow this summer. Okay, more shallow than usual.
I just keep thinking about how if they do exactly what Jack said and they go back to the point before the plane crashed and they land safely.
Will the 6th season be them all still encountering one another in their lives and continuing to impact each other anyway. . .
And I can't help wondering if they all end up going to the island anyway. . .
I was starting to write this whole thing about why I think the O6 weren't supposed to leave the Island, but then convinced myself that they were supposed to because the O6 who flash to 1977 were only supposed to be in that timeline for 1 week vs. 3 years. I think what we're supposed to accept is that at a minimum everything that happened up until Juliet hit the bomb with a rock and we saw white is always what happened. The question then remains is what Juliet did in hitting the bomb also always what happened or is it somehow different.
The thing I don't get about Faraday's plan is why do we think that setting off the bomb will send the O6 to 9/22/04 and the plane landing vs. anywhere else in time? Was it part of Faraday's plan that exploding the bomb on top of the anomaly would create a wormhole or pinhole that would send everyone to where they are supposed to be in 2007, but without the plane crashing on the Island? And does that mean that they'll be on the Hydra in 2007 with the other Ajira 316 folk? That sort of seems the most logical to me, at least for the O6. Where the LBs should go, you got me.
Where we left off was in 1977 there were a group of people who existed twice, once at their proper biological age and not on Island and the other at their 2007 age on the Island. Meanwhile in 2007 people who are supposed to be physically present are absent. My best guess then is that whether it was merely the incident triggering a time flash or if it was a different incident triggering a time flash the 2007 bodies of everyone who is susceptible to flashing, i.e. the LBs plus the O6 (who are alive; the dead don't flash like Charlotte) will end up on the Island as their 2007 selves because even though they didn't crash on 815 they did crash on 316. Again, I don't know how that applies to Sawyer, Jin, Miles and Juliet though.
I found this ironic. I was watching the news and Columbus' COSI in having an exhibit called LOST Egypt.
I might have to go to that.
(Sorry for logging on as Falcon again, I keep doing that!)
I don't think it was supposed to 'send them' anywhere in time.
The swan energy crashed the plane.
The plan was supposed to negate the energy source that the swan controlled. Leading to there being no Swan and no energy pulse.
Thus, when the plane flies over the island in 2004, Desmond won't be able to not push a button that's not there so the plane flies safely over.
So, they won't jump in time. The alternate version of themselves that lived in the 70s died or ceased to exist. While the version of themselves that got on the plane continues on as though nothing in the last 4 years ever happened.
At least, I think that was Faraday/Jack's plan.
Now, what would be interesting is if that's exactly what happens. But like Roland and Jake, now their brains are impacted with having lived two realities. . .
Jack's sitting in his apartment watching the Sox and a newsflash comes across about Kate Austin's trial and he feels like he's losing his mind because he knows her. . .but he can't know her, because he never met her.
Sawyer goes to run his next con on a wealthy widow and meets her children, Shannon and Boone, and has a mind numbing headache because he knows them, only he can't actually know them. . .
I'm wondering if we're headed there. . .but we're probably not.
Desmond has shown similar symptoms in the past Lost2010, but I agree I don't think they'll go that route with just 17 hours left. The more I reflect on it, the more I think what we saw was a time flash, not a hydrogen bomb exploding. And I hope that's the case because I can't reconcile a hydrogen bomb exploding with the Island being in any way habitable 30 years later.
I like the idea of Sawyer conning Shannon's step-monster, Lost2010. X-D She would deserve it!
But I'm hoping along the lines of the bomb not actually exploding and that it was the magnetic energy that flared or whatever, and sets off a different situation.
Altho, something still bothers me. The whole thing on the beach about the 316ers and Flocke and Jacob and RA and the Others....did that still happen after the 1977 thing? That is, is that post-DI-Incident, or post-LB-Incident????? If it's after the LB-Incident, then nothing much changed I guess, cuz Sun, Frank, and Deadlocke, still made it to the island on 815, the freighter, and 316. Maybe. ??? :-o
The Lost Fantasy League is up.
I finished 12th in our group. That's not to bad. My finish over all is another matter. lol
I think Locke being actually dead as opposed to resurrected pretty well wiped me out. . . he was about the only asset I had on my LFL team.
Hey look. Michael Scott from The Office is going to read Are You There God, It's Me Margaret just like Sawyer. And bam! Lost and The Office intersect once again.
I've got another ComicCon question, one they might even answer straight up.
Is Amelia from Episode 3.1, Tale of Two Cities Amy, Ethan's mother?
I rewatched 3.1 last night and the way Amelia talks about Ethan's failure to fix the plumbing makes it plausible. (But I would rather know confirmed or busted; I've been watching lots of Mythbusters with Kiddo.)
Of course the follow-up question is "How did Ethan (and Amy) get to be part of the Others and leave the DI?" I'm afraid that and how young shot Ben gets back to the DI are going to be unresolved questions. And I'd really like to know how young Ben got back to the DI and convinced them to keep him there and make him a Work Man.
The other thing that always stood out from those cage match episodes was the weird treatment of Kate. I really, really wish we could attribute the dress and breakfast as a sort of thank you by Ben to the woman who saved his young life. But I don't think we can. I think it was pure Ben-ipulation.
And it makes me wonder about his treatment of Sawyer who you would think he'd have to remember after 3 years of living with him! But I can write off Ben's rough treatment of Sawyer/LaFleur to getting even for never saving Ben the kid from his a-hole dad all those years.
Copy and pasted, Memphish!
If Ben remembers all that timeloop stuff, that would be really great if that's why he gave Kate a special dress and breakfast. If only he'd ever said something like, "I never forget a face," etc., somewhere since season 3, it would give us a hint as to whether or not he knows the Losties. :-o
i was reading that when they cast the role of bram, the character was to be an Egyptian history professor. It might explain why he knows about the island.
I noticed that jacob wore gloves when he visited illana. Did any one else notice that Jacob touched Ben before flocke threw him in the fire?
Did he? It's been so long since I watched it, I can't even remember if I noticed. Maybe I should remedy that tonight. Anyway, I hope that Jacob's touch starts the beginning of something good within Ben!
ben went to hold him up after he stabbed him, almost like a reflex reaction that showed Ben almost immediately regretted stabbing him. I feel like jacob wanted Ben to stab him and he offered him the choice to leave as an easy way out.
The full list of The Lost Community Mini League is :
Tsol
Lossa's Losties
DeD-LoSTieS
Detroit Blue Herons
Team LuckyGuyLikeMe
Sterling
S.W.A.T.
Elizabeth's Wicked LOST
x-1
maven
Weagle Weagle War Eagle Fantasy Team
Sayid's Army
They've all lostit
You Don't Know Jack
Eight is Enough
Bigdog
UC is lost in time, space, and sanity
TheLostZort
Memphish
codysmom
Deceased-clown
FYSB's Fantasy Picks
valerianmud
theVillage8
Sailormoon73's LFL
8OrangeSmiles
Goatzilla
greek-lost-team
Team NO WORMHOLES
hailstate
Zombie Season Super Shipper
Flash32
The Bookhouse
Spencer_tlf
triplep220
Is there going to be a new post for the bumper edition of the Lost Community Podcast ?
NEW POST!
(sorry this took so long!)
Here are some thoughts I have:
What happened happened. Juliet did not "reset" anything -- Daniel (and Jack) was wrong. The energy pocket and the bomb always were "The Incident".
The detonation of Sayid's IED in 1977 was similar to the "fail safe" switch Desmond threw in 2004, however, the latter was controlled because Dharma (i.e. Chang) studied The Incident and the energy pocket more to determine just the right level, location, etc. of the explosive to nullify the energy but do (relatively) little damage otherwise.
The energy pocket rebuilds in 1977 -- that's why the Swan still had to be built with The Button. It would safely discharge the energy at the same rate it was building: x amount every 108 minutes. They had at least 3 years to build the station and The Button system before the energy became critical again (i.e. the orientation film is dated 1980).
So much of this series has dealt with cycles -- another turn of the (donkey) wheel. This story is repeating itself, too. It is not accident that there has been a repetition of "3 years" -- the energy has been rebuilding in the present, too. However, in 2007 there is no Swan station to safely control the energy.
Apart from settling the Black/White conflict, Season 6 will need to deal with the threat to space-time in the present of 2007...
(Oh, as a PS: because the 1977 detonation was similar to the fail safe in 2004, Juliet will survive just as Desmond did. I, too, believe they were hinting that she was pregnant, but I don't think they would have done so if her story was finished. Yes, the actress has another series; but so did Nestor for a time, and Richard was not eliminated from the story.)
And some more:
Dead is dead. Locke, Christian, Claire, Alex, Yemi, Charlie, Ana Lucia, Libby ... and Vincent ... are all dead. They are not spirits. They are not ghosts. They are not time-travelers.
They are manifestations of the Doppleganger (aka MIB, Man #2, Esau, etc.) and his helper (aka Smokey, Cerberus, the Monster), who are both shape-shifters.
There are two because of four scenes:
1) MIB as Christian tells Cerberus as Vincent to go get "his son" because he has work to do.
2) Two "people" are seen in the cabin by Hurley
3) Christian and Claire are both seen in the cabin
4) Flocke, Cerberus, and Alex all make appearances (1 or 2 at a time) to Ben under the Temple
There are also two because it mirrors Jacob and Richard. Which also sets up, at least for me, dueling trinities: Jacob, Richard, and the (temporary) Leader vs. MIB, Cerberus, and their (temporary) Leader. The part that I haven't been able to fully figure out is just who really are the leaders (is it the simple answer of Ben vs. Widmore?) and which side is "good" and which is "bad".
Oh, almost forgot: one other reason to conclude that MIB and Cerberus are two similar, but different entities:
Under the Temple, the "Egyptian" mural that rises above the Cerberus Vent (that's the C.V. on the blast door map) shows a separate image of Smokey rising out of a crack opposing an image of Anubis, which represents the ancient aspect of MIB, just as the statue of Taweret represents the ancient aspect of Jacob.
Oh, that just made me thing about the question mark in the center of the blast door map...
It's the Temple. Because of what happened in the finale, Dharma gets access to the ancient tunnels -- that is part of what makes Radzinsky insane is that for years he tried to find a way through the tunnels to the Temple in the middle.
That's why we've never seen the Temple, and it was hinted to us so long ago on the blast door...
I'm sure we'll see it in Season 6.
Bastion,
I love the thought that the energy underneath the Swan site might be building up again. I had always assumed that the failsafe mechanism eliminated the threat, but maybe you're right!
I also agree 100% that Juliet detonating the bomb's core was The Incident and that it neutralized the energy pocket to the point where the Swan could be built and the "numbers protocol" established.
Happy Birthday Fenris;Wishing you the best of everything.
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