Wednesday, May 13, 2009

The Incident - Season 5, Episode 16

In the Season 5 finale, Jack runs into stiff opposition to his plan to set things right on the island, while Ben gets a tough job assignment from Locke.

Will Jack blow up Jughead?

Will Locke kill Jacob? Who/what is Jacob?

How did Hurley get on the plane?

Where are Rose and Bernard?

And what, exactly, is Christian smiling about?

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lost2010 said...

first?

Sayid'sgirl said...

second?

Capcom said...

Yeah baby, this is starting out great! :-O

Sayid'sgirl said...

Ahhh Jacob!

lost2010 said...

One light, one dark

Sayid'sgirl said...

It's Horus right?

memphish said...

Yowza! Well color me wrong; there is a Jacob.

Ellen said...

a sort-of side view of the statue!
still looks kinda like anubis...
xxoo

Takes a Village said...

Hello Jacob.

memphish said...

It looked like a male Tawaret to me.

Melissa_Lossa said...

Jacob!

Who's the other guy?

Sayid'sgirl said...

It looked like a croc head to me.

lost2010 said...

So, Jacob's wearing the white shirt and the other guy is wearing the black one. Do you suppose we're going with the traditional 'good guys wear white' approach? Or vice versa.

Melissa_Lossa said...

So these two can't kill each other either - like Ben and Charles.

Black Swan said...

Jacob!!

Ellen said...

awww...lil kate!
xxoo

Sayid'sgirl said...

Young Kate?

Melissa_Lossa said...

I think Michael Emerson confirmed in an interview that the statue was the goddess of fertility - I forget her name.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Geez my connection is running sloooow.

Melissa_Lossa said...

Um... what?!

lost2010 said...

Poor Daniel. He didn't have a chance did he?

Sayid'sgirl said...

Radiation and unborn Faraday.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Ratjerksky

lost2010 said...

If Kate turns out to be the chosen one, I'm done. Really. I mean it this time. LOL

Sayid'sgirl said...

Ah come on!
I still it's another bomb, it doesn't have to be huge.

But again I'm probably wrong.

Melissa_Lossa said...

LAME! What's in the box?!

I call shenanigans!

Black Swan said...

What a tease!! What's in the crate?

memphish said...

So Kate is important after all. :-p I guess we need to date that scene. Jacob was ok then?

So what's in the crate? Locke's body?

Takes a Village said...

Bombs away?

Black Swan said...

jinx, melissa

Black Swan said...

love it, memphish!

Ellen said...

another awww...lil Sawyer!
Man, Jacob sure gets around, huh?
xxoo

Sayid'sgirl said...

So Jacob chose all the people on 815?

Why wasn't Jack on the list?

Kevin said...

Man, this show just keeps getting better and better.

lost2010 said...

So, Jacob roams the countryside corrupting small children who have bad childhoods?

Sayid'sgirl said...

Sawyer doesn't want things to change.

lost2010 said...

So I guess Juliet's not up for a rewind, huh?

Sayid'sgirl said...

Really!?

Takes a Village said...

How many of you said You are! before John did?

lost2010 said...

Hey! I found someone I like less than Desmond! Jacob!

Sayid'sgirl said...

Me seen it coming when he said I don't have to convince you.

Melissa_Lossa said...

So, is Jacob going to visit Hurley?

We know Jack wasn't on Jacob's list - do we know who WAS?

lost2010 said...

See!!! He's evil! He's Randall Flagg!

Sayid'sgirl said...

Ok now I hate Jacob.

Kevin said...

NADIA NO!

Sayid'sgirl said...

Ben's house.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Ellie's the leader.

Melissa_Lossa said...

So, Ellie is the leader now? NOT Charles?

Capcom said...

Wow, would this be a Jacob-centric episode, heheh?

Good for Richard, he saved Eloise and Danny.

lost2010 said...

Horace and Amy's place I guess.

lost2010 said...

Awe, I'm sorry SG. I bet he doesn't die though, it's too early in the finale.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Thanks lost2010 I hope he doesn't die but I've had a bad feeling all season. And he has had much of a story line this year.

Takes a Village said...

I had wanted to see what happened to Nadia until that(:

Sayid'sgirl said...

That should be hasn't had, not has.

Melissa_Lossa said...

The fact that we just saw Nadia die doesn't bode well, either.

If nothing else, Sayid REALLY needs to stop dating before anyone else gets hurt.

lost2010 said...

Well, now I'm thinking Jacob took out Juliet's ex too. LOL

lost2010 said...

You have a bad feeling about Sayid and I have a terrible feeling about Juliet.

DeDJeZTeR said...

Vincent.... yeah

Melissa_Lossa said...

Rose! Bernard!

Ellen said...

it's vincent!!! and Rose and Bernard!!

xxoo

Sayid'sgirl said...

I told you they're always in the finale. lol

Sayid'sgirl said...

Hurry Hurley!

Melissa_Lossa said...

Oh my - did Rose and Bernard build Jacob's cabin?

Kevin said...

Jacob seems so sorry, in everything he does. I'm not so sure he's a bad guy...

lost2010 said...

That's how he reels you in. . .

Melissa_Lossa said...

Okay, Rose and Bernard being in this episode was the teeny spoiler that I knew. :)

Takes a Village said...

Ahh,Roses,and Moses.
Jacob;What a player.

Ellen said...

I had a feeling that Ilana was an original Other...?
xxoo

Capcom said...

This is totally weird!

memphish said...

So Jacob brings people to the Island to fight with the people already on the Island and then one group wins and the other group dies and then he does it all again? Is that right? Jacob is a sadistic bastard.

memphish said...

Oh, and Sawyer is being totally stupid.

lost2010 said...

Yeah, he looked at the wrong girl. He's an idiot.

Melissa_Lossa said...

Agreed. Sawyer needs to get his act together!

Melissa_Lossa said...

Book club alert!

lost2010 said...

But not sorry enough to show up fifteen minutes earlier and stop it.

Kevin said...

This Jacob fellow sure does get around...

Sayid'sgirl said...

ok that's not the spoiler I was thinking of.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Locke's getting as good as Ben in manipulation.

lost2010 said...

And there's the spoiler I read. A wedding - I was thinking Des and Penny but this works too.

Melissa_Lossa said...

Oh, thank god - I didn't think anyone would ever find poor Charlie's ring.

lost2010 said...

Imagine looking up and seeing two of your ex-girlfriends holding guns and staring you down.

memphish said...

Sawyer and them need to get out of the way. I at least want them to try the bomb.

Melissa_Lossa said...

Ah, I read that spoiler as well - it didn't really turn out to be that spoilery.

Capcom said...

Ruh-roh, the sheriff's in the road!

Yeah, very happy to see the ring again, awwwwww.

LostIt said...

Sawyer's Angels!

Takes a Village said...

Stop in the name of Love.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Sayid is going to sacrifice his life for his friends, like he offered to when he stayed behind to blow the dynamite.

The wedding was my spoiler too. But I thought it would be Sawyer and Juliet.

Black Swan said...

Lostit, ROFL.. Sawyer's Angels!!

Yeah, I've been wondering if they'd ever find Charlie's ring!!

memphish said...

It's odd to me that we saw Jacob at Nadia's death. I guess that was after the moving cabin in Episode 4.1 though. And Jacob was on the move 4 years before 815 crashed per the wedding and Locke's injuries. So when did he get trapped? And when did he visit Ilana?

Sayid'sgirl said...

What he's going to let Sayid bleed out!

lost2010 said...

I suppose, if Jacob shows up in time to heal Sayid, maybe he's not a bad guy after all. But if he doesn't . . . .

LostIt said...

I HATE when that happens! (the candy bar stuck in the machine)

Kevin said...

Jack, beware strangers baring candy.

LostIt said...

SG, I was thinking the same thing. He didn't even tell them that Sayid was shot! IDIOT!

Sayid'sgirl said...

Like Jack needs a lilttle push.

Black Swan said...

Jacob touches them (literally)

LostIt said...

I hope Juliet is tending to Sayid...

Sayid'sgirl said...

Jealous much.

LostIt said...

So who's taking care of Sayid? He's DYING!!!!!

lost2010 said...

I'm tearing up. I'm gonna cry.

(On the other hand, I've been waiting 5 years for Jack and Sawyer to beat the crap out of each other.)

Black Swan said...

Juliet changed her mind.. I wonder why?

memphish said...

Dang that was an awesome segment. The counting to 5 scene. Jack's dad nailing him. The fight that's been 5 seasons in coming. Sawyer fights dirty. I really thought he was going to kill Jack.

Takes a Village said...

It's her perogative.

Melissa_Lossa said...

Okay, I was duped! There were a TON of promotional pictures of Jack and Christian in the hospital, so I thought it was something really important. Dang!

We may have to disregard the photo on this post that I was so excited about.

memphish said...

Sawyer blew it when Rose and Bernard gave him the chance.

Kevin said...

She changed her mind because she saw this side of Sawyer...?

Sayid'sgirl said...

If you're going to fight that's the only way to do it.

Capcom said...

Yeah, long time coming for sure!

Black Swan said...

hmmm, Kevin... maybe?

Melissa_Lossa said...

I think she changed her mind because of the way Sawyer looked at Kate.

Black Swan said...

capcom.. congrats on being comment 108!

acewebguy said...

Great ep so far...

I keep thinking about the guy at the beginning that wants to kill Jacob.

If the statue IS really a symbol of Anubis, maybe Jacob is Anubis in human form.

And the guy in black is Set, who is the smoke
monster. I found this online, and it could describe what the smoke monster is:

"Set was a storm god associated with strange and frightening events such as eclipses, thunderstorms and earthquakes. His glyph appears in the Egyptian words for "turmoil", "confusion", "illness", "storm" and "rage". He was considered to be very strong but dangerous, and strange. However, he was not always considered to be an evil being. He was a friend of the dead, helping them to ascend to heaven on his ladder..."

Black Swan said...

melissa.. you were right!

memphish said...

So is it better not to have loved at all than to have loved and loss?

Takes a Village said...

Flight 815 lands in La. Jacob & Ilana adopt Aaron.

lost2010 said...

I kind of hate Sawyer right this minute.

Sayid'sgirl said...

I can't believe Roger Linus of all people kills Sayid.

No my tv just went out what's going on!

lost2010 said...

Locke is arguing with Richard about whether he can take Ben into the statue.

lost2010 said...

He ain't dead yet.

Melissa_Lossa said...

I think Jacob convincing Hurley is kind of lame.

I wonder what's IN the guitar case?

And what's in that darn box?! We better not have to wait until next season to find out. It'll be that coffin all over again.

Sayid'sgirl said...

It's just the Columbus and Dayton station are out I have Cincinnai stations.

Capcom said...

Neat Ace, thanks!

Black Swan said...

So, you can watch, Sayid'sgirl??

memphish said...

So in the opening Jacob was weaving that piece of cloth and when it was done the Black Rock arrived and the cycle began again. What myth of weaving do we have? (Other than the myths where they unweave to delay like Penelope and her suitors.) The time it takes to weave defines the loop.

I can't decide if I think the black shirted guy is there all the time or was the leader at that time.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Swany No I can't ABC in a Columbus station.

Kevin said...

Man, what the hell is in that damn box?

Capcom said...

Thank you Miles! That's what I've been thinking!

Sayid'sgirl said...

I'm so sad. I guess I'll have to finish watching on line tomorrow.
Now I won't have the finale to rewatch. I have everything else recorded.

Capcom said...

The island didn't let the bomb go off?????

Takes a Village said...

Waaaaaaaahhhh!!!!

Melissa_Lossa said...

Oh my gosh! No! Juliet!

Capcom said...

Whoa nelly!

lost2010 said...

Oh that was heart wrenching!!! I don't hate him anymore. Poor Sawyer. . .Poor Juliet. . .

I'll stop crying in a minute.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Someone please catch me up my tv's back now.

memphish said...

Damn you writers!

Capcom said...

....................... :-(

Melissa_Lossa said...

That sob from Sawyer was almost as bad as Sun shrieking on the chopper last year.

Black Swan said...

that was the most heartbreaking scene of Lost I ever saw! OMG!!

DeDJeZTeR said...

holy ****!

Thats all I have to say about that.

Sayid'sgirl said...

I left off where Jack took the bomb to the swan

LostIt said...

"Where's the Kaboom? there's suppopsed to be an earth-shattering Kaboom!" - Marvin the martian

lost2010 said...

I'm heartbroken.

Black Swan said...

Sayid'sgirl, I think you should just wait and watch it later.. it would lose something in us telling

Melissa_Lossa said...

Oh, duh - Jacob lies in the shadow of the statue.

LostIt said...

Agh! Who knows Latin? What did he say?

Capcom said...

Wow, that dude's come back to kill Jacob like he said!

Black Swan said...

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!! love it!!!!! It wasn't him!!!!!!!!!!!

Sayid'sgirl said...

Locke is the guy in the begining w/ the blk shirlt

Sayid'sgirl said...

Don't do it BEn!

lost2010 said...

So only the leader of the Others can enter - and Locke's dead so Ben is the leader of the others after all?

LostIt said...

AGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

memphish said...

Bravo! Bravo!

DeDJeZTeR said...

Oh My Gahd.... how can they be so damn good at driving me insane.

Melissa_Lossa said...

Oh lord! What?!

Takes a Village said...

It wasn't the chains,it was the red shirt.West Coasters enjoy.
Good night.

Black Swan said...

OMG, they really know how to do a season finale!!!!!!!!!!!! Epic!!

memphish said...

I called it! Locke's body was in the crate! It was the guy in black. Two sides, one white, one black. White's been in charge all these years and now black found a loophole and the king is dead.

And yay for Juliet! Loved it! And I even loved the cut to white.

LostIt said...

I have to watch that again!

lost2010 said...

How many times does the poor woman have to martyr herself? I am amazed at the acting this season by Josh Holloway and Elizabeth Mitchell. Outstanding.

acewebguy said...

Well at least the screen didnt go black like the Sopranos finale...

DeDJeZTeR said...

me too lostIt... me too

Black Swan said...

Ditto, Memphish! (and yes, I called it on Locke.. just not here.. lol!)

lost2010 said...

I can't watch it again. It's too painful. And I don't care what Juliet's creepy parents said, they are meant to be together. After time resets - you'll see - they'll find each other again. :)

And with that. . .a pleasure watching with you guys as always. Until 2010. . .

Black Swan said...

Emmy please? (Josh and Elizabeth)

Melissa_Lossa said...

So, if they reset everything, does that mean that old cast members will be back next season?

And we still don't know why Richard said he saw Jack, Kate and Hurley die. Unless he's been following them and saw the explosion.

Is it possible that the guy in black at the beginning is also the smoke monster? That could explain Locke's convenient disappearance while Smokey was judging Ben, and why Smokey would tell him to do everything Locke says.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Ok one qestion did Sayid die or did they show it one way or another?

memphish said...

They didn't show Sayid die Sayid's Girl. You won't get negative points in the LFL. :-)

I think given how little Richard seems to really know about the Island I'm thinking he lumped the 815ers in with the DI in the Purge, though that doesn't make the most sense either.

lost2010 said...

So Juliet "jumped" to save him. . .nice symmetry. . .

Capcom said...

Man-o-man. I'm agog.

Ellen said...

This was by far the best finale yet...I'm still dripping tears from watching Sawyer and Juliet. Well, I can't believe this season is already over. My gosh, what will we all do when it's over for good? (Don't want to think about that, don't think, don't think...)
I can't believe how much I love this show...:(
xxoo

LostIt said...

I think Jacob is the good guy. He keeps trying to bring people to the island to prove that people are inherently good. He believes that they have free will and that they are capable of redeeming themselves, of changing their fate by choosing to do good. But it has to be their choice.

The other guy thinks that there is no hope for them, that they will always fight and given the choice, they will choose to do evil.

Melissa_Lossa said...

So how/why did Jacob need Locke to "help him"?

Melissa_Lossa said...

Okay, I need to go digest. And by digest, I mean cry.

See you tomorrow. :)

Capcom said...

maybe he needed the real Locke to get his sh*t together and do the right thing, but he was just too pliable. Even in death, I guess.

According to my captions, Richard said, "Illes qui nos omnes servabit" I can't find anything on a search, with that spelling. :-p

memphish said...

I don't know about Jacob. It's like Frank said, when someone goes to the trouble to tell me I have a choice, I figure I don't have a choice.

Capcom said...

Oops, make that "ille".

lost2010 said...

The online latin translator spits this out:

He quae we omnes being saved

scoutpost said...

We're just under way here, so I haven't read anything....

Holy Crap!!!!!! Jacob!!!!!!! In the flashbacks!!!!!!

Capcom said...

Is omnes like omni? Why didn't I take Latin?!!!

LostIt said...

My local station is having a segment on time travel with MIT professors.

Consensus is that it's not possible and they're citing paradox. But they can't prove that it's not possible.

One guy says that he doesn't think it's possible to go back in time (because of the potential for paradox) but that it might be possible to go forward in time.

memphish said...

We need a name for the guy in black. IMDB just says Man #2 and it doesn't give me a name for the actor who played Jacob.

lost2010 said...

The man in black escaped across the desert. . . ;)

And with that in mind, I'll concede that Jacob probably is the good guy. He's out there saving lost souls I suppose.

lost2010 said...

Which is to say - - let's call him Walter.

memphish said...

Well given that we've got at least months to discuss this, I'm going to turn in. Catch you all tomorrow and over the weekend.

LostIt said...

Apply some of the French that I know (which is minimal) to that Latin, I get "He who always saves (or serves?) us"

Capcom said...

So Lost2010, "something something we all being(will be) saved?"

Maybe what lies beneath the statue "is what will save us all"???? Omnes, God, "the whole "God save us all" thing???

Anyone wanna try to take a stab at it?

memphish said...

One more thing for Lost2010 and ML especially. I'm sure you were thinking of a particular building as you watched tonight.

lost2010 said...

Fits in with the whole "God help us all" line they've been throwing around this year.

Capcom said...

Interesting Lostit! Tx! I suppose that DarkUFO will have it tomorrow, but it's kinda fun to figure it out by ourselves like Indiana Jones. :-D

LostIt said...

I guess it could be "He who saves us all". That would fit.

lost2010 said...

memphish - Well, during the episode I was mostly crying over Sawyer and Juliet. . .but afterwards, a certain building did come to mind.

Capcom said...

Ones apparently means "all".

Capcom said...

That sounds good Lostit, I like it!

Joshua Andrew Smith said...

I've named the black guy esau, Jacob's brother in the bible. They fought each other for a long long time.

Capcom said...

Oh well, someone says that at Lostpedia it means "That who we all serve" We were close.

Capcom said...

Interesting Joshua.

scoutpost said...

uh oh...Sayid + Jack + bomb= not good I think.

Capcom said...

Since Juliet set off "ze beaumb", does that mean that Chang doesn't lose his arm? Aw heck, is anyone alive? And how can they still be on the beach after the bomb went off? Wow. Many days of discussion ahead. Let's hope for another secret video hint at ComicCon this summer.

scoutpost said...

No freakin way..Sayid....

Hurley, the superhero- weapon of choice: Dharma van.

I so wish I could be discussing this with someone!!

Kyle/thebookpolice said...

Doc's commenters say it's "That which protects us all" or "That which will save all of us."

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