Monday, June 01, 2009

The Lost Community Podcast - Episode 66

Join Host David A Dein and Steve "The Goog" Guglich as they unpack the Lost Season 5 Finale "The Incident." It's a ton of lost fun jammed into 108 minutes.

If you'd like to be a guest on the podcast, have any theories, discover any clues, or just want to say "Hi!", contact TLCpodcast@gmail.com (mp3 comments are accepted as well), or leave a voice mail or fax at (206) 202-3512.

Episode 66 - The Incident

189 comments:

Capcom said...

BTW Mellissa, your pre-episode questions for the finale post turned out to be spot on! :-D

memphish said...

Thanks for the new post ML. Anyone going to start the big rewatch tonight?

Melissa_Lossa said...

I am happy to say that most of my nagging end-of-the-season questions were answered!

Here's a new one though: Why was Hurley the only one visited by Abbaddon after he returned? And why was Hurley the only one that Jacob spoke to directly? I still think that Hurley came back with a mission, and that the details of that mission were in the guitar case.

Melissa_Lossa said...

I'm torn on a re-watch. I'd love to compile a definitive list of questions, but I just rewatched every episode before season 5, and I don't know if I have the energy/time again!

memphish said...

I understand ML. I rewatched everything before S4 and couldn't hack it again before S5. I don't intend to rewatch in any organized fashion, but I did start rewatching S3 this past weekend and have started a list of questions on my blog. I have a feeling all my niggling Dharma and Others questions like "Where did Karl come from?" may never be answered, and for the most part I'm ok with that.

I think the biggest question I want answered going into S6 is what's the deal with Christian Shephard on Island. I can't figure out how to put together what we've seen about MIB and Jacob with Christian's various appearances.

memphish said...

Part of me would love to see Hurley be the key, but I think it would also make me question how much the writers knew about the story in advance. I remember when I first watched the show how much I loved Hurley, but it took 20 episodes to get a flashback for him.

Melissa_Lossa said...

I don't know if I want Hurley to be the key to everything, but there has to be a reason why he's connecting with all of these people, alive and dead.

My latest theory is that Charlie sent Hurley back for Claire. I really think Hurley would have only returned to save someone he really cared about. And he was determined to stay on the island with Jin. There has to be something he is meant to do.

lost2010 said...

I rewatched several mid-season. I think I sort of floundered out around mid-season 2. . .those flashbacks just get reaalllly tedious in Season 2 after a while.

Capcom said...

That's it Melissa! Aaron is in the guitar case! :-D But you're right, Hurley really did care about Claire and her well-being after his buddy died.

maven said...

I'm going to try and participate in the re-watch. I watched Episodes 1-4 already. As I said on FB, looking at Locke through S5 eyes, puts a different perspective on his actions. After he reunites Vincent with Walt, there's a shot of Locke staring at Michael, Walt and Vincent, and there's such ominous music playing as he glares and smirks. Very scary. I was wondering if MIB could be using Locke even then. I know we decided that MIB only takes over people who are dead, but maybe he can play with their minds and steer them in certain directions.

Melissa_Lossa said...

See, that's the other reason I'm torn on a re-watch - the possibilty of reading too much into early scenes (no offense, maven!). I think there may be a tendency to over analyze earlier episodes.

Ellen said...

I'm doing the re-watch. I agree, to a point, about the over-analyzing, but I have already found some interesting things in watching the first 4 eps. I wouldn't say that they are anything earth-shattering or unknown up to this point, but interesting nevertheless.
I look forward to the discussions!
I am going to be doing a new post on my blog soon, running a little behind I'm afraid, but it'll be intense! :D
Take care ya'll!
xxoo

Zort70 said...

I've just relistened to the podcast and realised the first time through I missed my bit at the start !

One thought / question I had was that the bomb going off could have fractured time / reality, so that multiple timelines are running in parallel. That maybe why the island cannot be found as there is only one island and it is hopping between parallel realities .

Also that might explain why desmond was able to see several outcomes to Charlies death and appeared to save him. He could have just been moving between the parallel realities.

However the fact that these "course corrections" eventually only end up one way seems to imply that at some point in the future there will be another incident, like the bomb going off, that will bring the realities back together.

Zort70 said...

By the way the plane going missing in the Atlantic has familiar undertones to us in the Lost world, but not one I would want to have to deal with for real.

Capcom said...

That's for sure Zort, disappearing planes, not good. :-o

Dear Locos, does anyone know where Lostpedia gets the info that 316 took off from The World in Janurary 2008? Is it just speculative math that they did, or did we get some kind of concrete evidence as to the 2008 date? Thanks very much, if anyone knows this. :-)

Zort70 said...

Isn't the time the flight took off based on Locke's death ? i.e. a few days to a week after.

memphish said...

Capcom, this is where I think the day comes from. The Oceanic 6 were rescued after 108 days which would put them in January 2005 when they were rescued. They return to the Island after 3 years thus January 2008. I think the 3 year thing though is a guideline not a dateline.

Repeatedly the show said explicitly that Sawyer and crew were in 1977. Sawyer said in the incident it was July 1977. The cards in the episodes said 30 years later which might mean it's July 2007, but it has never been exactly specified when Ajira takes off and there's no reason to believe that if it's July in Dharmaville it has to be July in Ajira days. But I think you can also say that there were no examples of Christmas decorations or any other seasonal decorations in the flashbacks preceding Ajira 316's departure.

Capcom said...

Thanks Memphis! :-)

Those are kind of along the lines that I was assuming but I wasn't sure if I was on the right track. Especially since on the Lostpedia timeline, they don't give any reference to where they got the January 2008 point. I guess that I should also check out the ABC timeline, do you think that they would get it right officialy? They do mess up some of the popups, after all. :-o

thin said...

Last time I checked, Lostpedia had two different times for Juliet's on island arrival. The first was September 5, 2001. In another lostpedia location it is mentioned that Juliet told Goodwin the next day would be her 3 year anniversary on the island, but the next day was September 22, 2004, the day Oceanic 815 crashed.

Either way, Juliet arrives on isle in September 2001, but the exact date appears fuzzy to lostpedia, and to me.

memphish said...

Or is it fuzzy for Gregg Nations?

Capcom said...

LOL Memphish.

Good work Thin.

blueheron13 said...

Capcom,

Isn't some of the estimating based on the issue date of Locke's (Bentham's) fake passport?

Capcom said...

Right Blueheron, I just saw that over at EyeMSick on a post. Good point!

Doing the back-study to put the puzzle together is getting much more complicated since Season 5 aired! :-o

memphish said...

This is the most brilliant thing I've read about LOST possibly ever.

maven said...

Thanks for that link, Memphish. I agree with you and all those who commented. It is a WOW read!

Capcom said...

Yes, Big's article is interesting and fun to think about! As we get closer to the final stretch though, I'm starting to avoid the serious guesstimations of what it all means, because like Memphish often says, I'm afraid that my expectations will either be not as good as the reality, or that someone will actually guess what the ending is going to be and then it won't be a surprise when it happens. I don't know if that made any sense the way I put that tho. :-o

Big's nice post is not really a guess on the finish though, mostly an overall thought on what things mean up to now and transitionally into Season 6.

Capcom said...

BTW, if you all like Big's thoughts, you might try out some Lost Hema Theory as well:

link

bigdog said...

Have nothing to add. Just had a moment and wanted to stop by and say hi to those who still pop in.

maven said...

Just popping in to say "hi".

FYI: There's a new promo on ABC including an actor from LOST. That's all I'll say because IMHO it's a spoiler!

Sayid'sgirl said...

maven
How dare you tease me like that. ;)
Spoilers already!

maven said...

Turns out it not a spoiler, but ABC foolin' with us!

Here is what Ausiello posted!

2costa said...

theres no way the ajira flight took off a week after locke's death. ben had said jack booked his first flight when locke died, and we were lead to beleive jack had taken more then one flight. on weekends. i think its a little writer misstep, but maybe they didn't find locke's body right away and maybe since he had no family the whole funeral timetiable took a couple of weeks after ben killed locke. Why would someone with no family have an Obit or A puplic viewing, that all cost's money. Bentham, would be looking at a pine box and a paupers grave, noyt the nice coffin he had.

Capcom said...

Misstep I can certainly believe 2costa. After Jack saw the obit and called Kate to meet him at the airport, didn't he tell her that he had been flying on weekends for a while by then, if I recall correctly? After all, how long could Locke have been at the morgue and funeral home? Maybe it takes a while to release the body and get to the funeral service stage, if the authorities have to search out next of kin, etc.???? Who knows what exactly happened here, I sure don't. It's a good question for ComicCon, i.e., what is the timeline for Jack's trips, Locke's death, and the Ajira flight?

memphish said...

I think I've decided Claire is not dead, but instead she has the sickness same as Robert and the rest of the B612 crowd killed by Danielle. She got it by her exposure to Smokey masquerading as Christian and it explains why she would abandon Aaron willingly. Claire and Danielle were strongly linked by the sickness storyline in Maternity Leave, so it is fitting that Claire would be the one to get the sickness. I'll even go so far as to speculate that a LOSTie will have to kill Claire or at least make a choice about killing Claire because of this sickness like Danielle did with Robert and the rest. It would be pretty sick if it were Jack who was the one to make that choice.

Capcom said...

That sounds great to me Memphish, I forgot that she could have gotten taken over by Smokey like the B612s.

Oh gosh, that would be weird for someone to have to kill her. Jack or Hurley would be the worst possible scenarios.

Do we really believe that the shots given to her were really for the bye-bee? I've always wondered if it was to keep her safe from Smokey maybe, after we talked about the possible relationship between the vaccine and Smokey, as in, keeping Smokey out of your brain.

memphish said...

Happy Birthday Fenris!

Capcom said...

Wow, Happy birthday Mr.Fenris!

maven said...

Happy Birthday to Fenris!

Looks like Dom joined the cast of "Flash Forward". He'll be right at home!

Sayid'sgirl said...

Happy Birthday Fenris.

I was kind of holding out hope Dom would be in the last Season of Lost. I guess that blows that hope out of the water.

Zort70 said...

A little casting news, which is not entirely unexpected, on the final series can be found here :-

Casting News on Digital Spy

I've made it a tiny URL as the full URL contains the whole story !

bigdog said...

happy belated birthday Fenris.

Capcom said...

Yay, for Zort's link!

BTW, if anyone is super-spoiler-averse-to-the-max, don't look at the link. But even knowing the info, it doesn't mean that it would happen in the most obvious way.

Huh? :o)

Zort70 said...

Thanks Capcom, I should have said that it is really a spoiler, but one I was certainly expecting.

Black Swan said...

Just stopping in to say Hi! And happy belated birthday to Fenris!!

Sorry I was AWOL for the rest of the finale discussions, but I did go back and read all the comments.. whew! LOL! Lots of great thoughts out there. I miss Lost.... this is going to be the longest hiatus ever (in my mind)

Black Swan said...

btw, I really enjoyed the podcast, guys!!

Takes a Village said...

Hi Loco's just stopping by to say hi.
I am in the midst of a training session for work.
My mind feels like I've been in room 23.
I will catch up on the weekend.

I just joined Twitter as
lookin4thedoor,I don't know when I will have the time to get started on that though.

maven said...

TAV: lol so you're look4inthedoor! I had no idea. I will follow you now!

Zort70 said...

Good news everyone - Futurama has just been given a new series by Comedy Central. Completely offtopic I know but it pleased me no end.

Takes a Village - so thats you following me on Twitter. I'm afraid the Twitter bug hasn't infected me too much just yet, my updates are sporadic at best !

Zort70 said...

In another case of worlds colliding, I am a big fan of the rock band Queen and saw an article about a group called Dream Theatre doing a queen medley.

This site has a short interview with one of the band members and he is wearing a Dharma Swan logo t-shirt !

Capcom said...

That's neat about Futurama Zort! There is so much more now for them to make fun of since the final season. A funny thing that you would get...I bought a new free-standing analog antenna for my one TV with no cable and it looks like Calculon's head. X-D

Zort70 said...

Capcom - ROFL

I bought a Slurm can with some playing cards in it some time ago. It is on a shelf in our living room and since it has been there only one person has recognised it for what it is.

Capcom said...

Neat! That "Slurmy Wonka" ep is one of my favorites. :-D

Sayid'sgirl said...

Hey everyone
DarkUFO has the sign up for the Season 6 Fantasy League.
I've got my team.

maven said...

Me, too, SG! It's really such a random thing, isn't it?

Sayid'sgirl said...

Yeah, but I have fun with it.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Maven
Have you thought about twittering when you go to Comic Con?

Zort70 said...

All signed up again.

The toughest one for me on the LFL was the dead people category.

Sayid'sgirl said...

zort
Oh I know I chose Libby last year hoping we'd get her back story.
But I've given up on that. So I went with Charlie.

maven said...

SG: I'm on Twitter and so is Scoutpost now! But I only do it on the computer at the moment, I don't want to be bothered with it on my iPhone. How would we use it to the best advantage from Comic Con? I think it would take the same amount of time to just post here as well as twitter. I'm not the fastest typist on the iPhone! lol

Capcom said...

Sayidsgirl, I posted an awesome screencap of Sayid for you on my blog just in case you haven't seen it yet, with an article about some of my thoughts that I had yesterday about poor Sayid. :o) link

Capcom said...

P.S. When do you go to ComicCon Maven? Can't wait for your news! :-o

Sayid'sgirl said...

maven
You're probably right it would be just as easy to blog about it.
I know what you mean about typing on a phone.. not very easy. lol

Thanks capcom on my way to take a look now.

noblelawyer said...

Just was doing a google search for myself and found ya'll again. I had A LOT of life stuff happen after TLE ended and was therefore not doing as much on-line activity. But still been watching LOST and promise to come back here after Comic Con this summer (hopefully a new GOOD ARG) and for the final season.

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NobleLawyer said...

:)

Capcom said...

Noblelawyer! I remember you during TLE! Glad to have you back. :o)

maven said...

Noblelawyer: Welcome back to TLC!

Comic Con starts July 23rd. Scoutpost and I are there for the 4 days!

Capcom said...

Wow! Well, you ladies have your work cut out for you, as our roving reporters. :-D

Sayid'sgirl said...

Hi Noblelawyer
I remember your name too from the TLE days.
I wasn' a part of the community then just a lurker.

Capcom said...

Glad that you don't just lurk anymore SG! :-)

Sayid'sgirl said...

lol Thanks Capcom! :)

Melissa_Lossa said...

Hey, everyone!

Just wanted to let you all know that David and I are zeroing in on a date for the first Book Club podcast of the year! We'll planning on doing Survivor of the Chancellor the last week in June.

Sorry I haven't been around much lately - there's a lot of stuff going on at my job right now. I'll work on getting a full book club schedule up this week. Everybody feel free to post your picks!

Oh, and Zort - Mr. Mel has that same Slurm Can! We were THRILLED at the news! Have you seen all of the movies yet?

Zort70 said...

Mellisa, good news about the book club.

I haven't seen the most recent movie yet, but I'm hoping the birthday fairy will be kind to me as it is only available on DVD over here.

Sayid'sGirl - I chose Charlie too, I did read that they were having trouble booking the actress who plays Libby so we may not get a conclusion to that part of the story.

There was also an article I read the other day with Matthew Fox saying a spin off series from Lost would be almost impossible. I have to agree with that thought, although Lost:The Dharma Years does have some sort of ring to it.

Zort70 said...

I don't know if this link has been posted before, but the Survivors of The Chancellor is available on line to read for free.

Click here

Capcom said...

I would luuuuuuuv to see either a spinoff series or movie about the DHARMA years! Some peeps have totally slammed that idea on other blogs, but at this point, I'll take anything that TPTB can dream up Lost-wise, as long as it doesn't lose quality in the process. Say, if it's as good as the first X-Files movie, yes!...but if it's as not-good as the second Files movie, no. But I'ld bet that tPTB will be ready to move on after Season 6 is over.

maven said...

Hey Gang: Found out today the LOST Panel at Comic Con is Saturday, July 25th at 11:00AM until 12 in Hall H. Scoutpost and I are already in line!

Capcom said...

I'm picturing you both camped out on the sidewalk for a month with lawn chairs, sleeping bags, etc., like Star Wars geeks....but with DHARMA jumpsuits on. X-D

Capcom said...

FYI: Here you go, Memphish and other Time Traveler's Wife fans: TTWMovie

maven said...

Wishing all our TLC fathers a great Father's Day!

lost2010 said...

Have fun at comic con. I hope you get to report on lots of lost goodness. I forgot all about LFL - how long do we have to enter?

lost2010 said...
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Sayid'sgirl said...

lost2010
You can still sign up. They don't have an end date posted on when the last day will be for sign ups.

sign up

Scroll half way down the page.

Zort70 said...

Hello all, just checking in as I've been away for a few days.

Any news on the exact date of the Book Club ?

Capcom said...

Hi Zort, and you all everybuddy!

Sayidsgirl, have you seen this Sayid vid yet? link

Sayid'sgirl said...

Capcom
No I haven't seen that one.
Thanks for posting it.

maven said...

RIP Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson.

Zort70 said...

A sad day indeed.

Zort70 said...

A sad day indeed.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Yes RIP Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson.
So strange about Michael Jackson.
And Farrah Fawcett is finally at peace.

Capcom said...

Yes, so sad, Mr.Death is busy this month for sure. It will really be sad if MJ's situation turns out to be a misguided enabler problem, like Elvis and AnnaN. :-(

Melissa_Lossa said...

No word from David yet on the podcast - I'd read Chancellor now, as I have a feeling the podcast may come up at a moment's notice!

maven & scoutpost - here's something for you to pick up from Comic Con: a Ben Linus Bobblehead!

Also, I have to get Mr. Mel to find the link for me, but there's a new company working on Lost figures! First series is Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Juliet. I'm a little disappointed in that, because I already have Jack, Kate and Sawyer from McFarlane's line. But, I'm hoping these will be from the past season, as the one's that I have are all from the first season. I'll post photos as soon as some are released!

Finally, zort - did you hear the good news? Comedy Central picked up Futurama for a full new season! Can't wait!

maven said...

Thanks, ML: I already knew about it and have noted what Booth it's at! LOL

Zort70 said...

Melissa - SOtC already read and waiting.

Yes I heard about Futurama (posted above) definitely good news.

Zort70 said...

The bobble head picture looks like someone has been careless with some lipstick !

Zort70 said...

According to digital Spy :

The upcoming final season of Lost will run to 18 episodes, ABC has confirmed.

The news means that the show's sixth season will have one hour more than was originally planned.

According to Entertainment Weekly, the final season will include a two-hour premiere and a two-hour finale.

Sayid'sgirl said...

New figures Yay!
Maybe I can finally get a Sayid figure.
McFarlane canceled the seires Sayid was in.

I seen the news about the 18 hours for next season at DarkUFO's. I wish there was some way they could squeeze in a couple more hours.
But I'll take what I can get.

Melissa_Lossa said...

Okay, here's the news about the new figures yet. No photos, yet...

Bif Bang Pow! Gets License To Make "Lost" Figures

Takes a Village said...

Hi Loco's,
It is good to see some of us are still around, while we wait for Comic-Con; and beyond.That is going to be so cool getting updates fron Maven & Scoutpost.
I am ready for Season 6,but I don't know if my LFL team is.
I enjoyed The Wreck Of The Chancelor,and will love hearing the podcast.
Mrs Village, & I will be away, spending a week with our Daughter, who now has her own village.
Enjoy your summer everyone.

Zort70 said...

If you look at this Digital Spy article the journolist is going to interview TPTB and wants some questions, there is a list of questions already asked at the end

Zort70 said...

Journolist - like a Journalist but deals exclusively with Lost related articles !

Sayid'sgirl said...
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Sayid'sgirl said...

lol "Journolist - like a Journalist but deals exclusively with Lost related articles !"

Thanks for the link Zort.

Capcom said...

LOL. :o) Or, journalost, heheh.

maven said...

Hope everyone has a safe and sane 4th of July weekend!

Zort70 said...

Yes have fun on the 4th.

Capcom, I've only just spotted your new profile pic, a very appropriate one.

Capcom said...

Happy and safe 4th weekend everyone!

Hey thanks Zort! Now if we would just go back and take some Brits with us, it could finally be like "2001:Space Odyssey". :-D

Sayid'sgirl said...

Happy 4th of July to my US friends.
Stay safe and have fun.

lost2010 said...

Happy Fourth of July!

maven said...

Had to check out who comment #108 was! Congrats to you Lost2010!

BarbaraJay said...

Hi, everybody! Happy 4th! I'm going to be at the beach house during ComiCon...with no internet! I'll be checking in periodically on my netbook at an internet cafe. I've always found the LOST appearance at ComiCon very exciting. (I live a quiet life)

Zort70 said...

I just heard that one of the main writers (Brian K. Vaughan) quit the show before the last series.

I'm not sure it makes much of a difference but he did write a few of the good episodes (Meet Kevin Johnson - Namaste)

Capcom said...

Wow Zort, any details as to why? Maybe Dark will have something up over there. :-o

Zort70 said...

Docarzt has a transcript of an interview with Darlton and Bender and it has this :

Q: What’s Brian K. Vaughan like?

DL: Unfortunately he has left for greener pastures. When he first came on the show Jorge Garcia was ecstatic because he’s a huge fan of his work.

Zort70 said...

Small warning the article says at the top

....There are definitely a few spoilers in the sense of tone, but nothing that really touches on story....

Zort70 said...

A perfect description of what we do in that article :

CC: We’re not prepared to answer any of those questions here tonight. We feel that the final part of the experience of Lost is that you have this time between to theorise, postulate, agonise.

Capcom said...

Emphasis on agonize, right? Thanks Zort!

maven said...

TWO WEEKS UNTIL COMIC CON!

Sayid'sgirl said...

Hey guys hows it going?
I seen that article Zort. I thought it was fairly safe. Depends on how spoiler sensitive your are these days.

Has anyone seen this on youtube? It's hilarious, really I think it's pretty good. It's called The John Locke Rap.

link

lost2010 said...

But they didn't leave us anything to agonize over this time. . . they just faded the screen to white and killed some guy we only met in the finale. . .

;)

Nah, seriously, I'll theorize some more when I find out who the killer is on Harper's Island. . .right now the portion of my brain I let theorize about t.v. is stuck on that. :)

Sayid'sgirl said...

I hope we get something interesting from Damon and Carlton at Comic Con.

Capcom said...

"...they just faded the screen to white and killed some guy we only met in the finale." LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully we'll get something from ComicCon to chew on for a while.

Melissa_Lossa said...

lost2010 - I am OBSESSED with Harper's Island! Can't wait to find out who the killer is this weekend. What cheesy fun. :) Just saw that they're playing the last two episodes back to back - don't miss it!

Still no word from David on book club podcasts, but here's what I'm thinking for a reading list:

Survivors of the Chancellor
The Invention of Morel
The Little Prince
A Separate Reality
Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger

I took Evil Under the Sun off the list - I jut read it, and other than the fact that it takes place on an island, it seems to have NOTHING to do with Lost.

Let me know what you think!

Ellen said...

@Lost2010 & Melissa_Lossa:
I too am thoroughly obsessed with Harper's Island. I am really excited about the two-hour finale! The last episode was a real mind-blower, huh?

Anyway, happy summer everyone! Anxiously awaiting Comic Con of course...
xxoo

Melissa_Lossa said...

Ellen - I'm convinced I know who the killer is - I'll let you know when it's all over if I was right. :)

I can't believe Chloe and Cal didn't make it! I thought for sure they were going to make it. And I don't believe for a minute that Jimmy is the other killer.

scoutpost said...

I've been so AWOL this summer, but hope you all had a happy and safe 4th! Maven and I are getting soooooo excited about Comic Con in 2 weeks! Any more burning questions in case we're lucky enough to get to ask one? We're getting our strategy down for standing in line for the panel. I think we're ready!

memphish said...

So I'm rewatching the middle of Season 3 today and I got to Left Behind where Smokey encounters Kate and Juliet. First thing that stood out to me is that Kate is probably the one person on the Island who has most encountered Smokey. Don't know what exactly to make of that, nevertheless, I think she's run into Smokey at least 5 times.

But more importantly it made me wonder about the whole Jacob and Black Shirt thing. It seemed from the S5 finale that Jacob is the one who brings people to the Island by both drawing them a la the Black Rock and by traveling off Island and touching people. So then in order to play his people I guess Smokey has to read people and then start to manipulate them. But if that's the case it's odd that we haven't in fact seen more of Smokey. Moreover it's really odd that Smokey would kill if he is in fact Black Shirt who's entire point is that the people will destroy each other on their own.

Takes a Village said...

Howdy Loco's.
Interesting point about MIB Memphish,although he certainly reminded Jacob about his wish list.
Smokey says,"Oh no,not Kate again;
I've got plenty of pictures of her already."
2 weeks till Comic-Con? That's good news;(You go girls).
Back in town after visiting our Daughter's family.It was sweet. A couple of more days before I have to come back to reality.

lost2010 said...

OT (Harpers Island): Was so sad to see Chloe and the British doctor die. They were my favorites (next to Abby and Jimmy). My least favorite is Trish - while I hope she is the killer I doubt she will be. I think they're playing up the Jimmy suspicion too much for it to be him. I do have a guess but I'll hold it in reserve. LOL - Cheesy fun is just about a perfect description!

lost2010 said...

(I have mentally called Cal - Charlie the entire time I've watched H.I. You would think I'd have gotten it right by the time he died.)

Ellen said...

OT- yeah, Melissa, I really didn't have any investment in any of the characters that were killed until Chloe and Cal. I actually cried when Chloe let go. The music and the scene were so poignant..."you can't have me." Wow. Can't wait until the finale tonight.
Lost2010- Charlie!! (LOL!)

Maven and Scoutpost...you guys are great! Getting excited!
xxoo

memphish said...

Glad you guys have enjoyed Harper's Island. I watched the first episode and a half, but It was too gory for me, and the acting was pretty terrible.

So I'm thinking some more about Jacob and I guess we can conclude that it was Jacob who made the clouds clear and allowed Naomi and subsequently the rest of the freighties find the Island. I still want to know what the deal was with Desmond's flashes in Catch-22 especially the fact he saw both Charlie die and Charlie holding the parachute. Was the Man In Black causing or influencing the flashes? Jacob? Something else?

Capcom said...

I tried Harper's too Memphish, but it was too much for me. I think I'm just tired of viewing heavy conflict stories for the moment. Eureka is more my speed right now...a little laughs, a little science. :o)

lost2010 said...

OT Harpers: I thought that might be who it was! Won't say anymore in case some of you are watching later.

:)

Melissa_Lossa said...

Okay, I was SO wrong about the killer on Harper's Island! Although I think my ending was better. :)





****spoiler if you haven't watched it yet****




Having read And Then There Were None by Agatha Christie, ***spoiler about the book!*** I expected the second killer to be someone who we thought was dead. My money was on that kid who shot himself in the leg - he was the only one who had a witness to his death, and shortly thereafter, the only person who knew where his body was got killed. Oh well. :) Since I expected the bride and groom to get off the island, having one of them be the killer was pretty good.

I was right about the killer being Wakefield's kid, though - I guessed that one pretty early on. Very Scream 3.

And if you're keeping track, I just gave away the twist endings to a TV show, a book AND a movie. Not bad! :)

lost2010 said...

Melissa -

spoliler alert










I had it narrowed down to Jimmy or Henry. I couldn't decide whether it was Jimmy and it would be a double bluff. Or Henry since he was the one that orchestrated bringing everyone to the island. I was hoping Trish since she would have also had a hand in planning the wedding (just because I didn't care for her much), but Henry works too.








End spoiler

memphish said...

Do you think Charles Widmore after he was banished from the Island still had a spy there who was telling him things like hey, this guy Desmond landed here? I'm wondering this because of Naomi having the picture of Des and Penny as her cover story, though of course none of the other freighties are apparently in on that cover story.

Capcom said...

I like that "kid" from "Jake 2.0", he has a lot better acting range than that show let on. He was pretty "Norman Bates-y" last night! Heheh, I watched the finale just cuz you ladies were talking about it. :-) So...is that the end of the show? One season and the mystery is solved?

That's a really interesting point Memphish, and I like it. Do you think that maybe it could have been Richard who was his liaison? Although RA did show some disdain for Wid at the point when K & S turned Bennie over to him, ya never know. Or could it have been Kelvin, since he was in direct contact with Des? It would be interesting to find out that Kelvin was a Widmore infiltration recruit like Naomi.

lost2010 said...

Yep, one season and you get the 'whole story'. . .kinda nice actually. I don't think the ratings were very good so I doubt they'll try the concept again but it was fun while it lasted.

Re Lost: You would think that the more people got dissatisfied with Ben's leadership, the more they might start leaking information to Widmore. So that's entirely possible.

memphish said...

So I'm rewatching The Man Behind The Curtain and wonder did Ben meet long-haired Richard Alpert before the LBs flashed to 1974? That only seems logical given that there seems to be no truce between the Hostiles and the DI when Ben is learning about volcanoes, not to mention Alpert's hair.

Of course the other HUGE thing about that episode is Ben seeing his dead mother on the Island on both sides of the sonic fence. We're given no indication that Ben was scanned by Smokey, then again Smokey could have scanned Roger on a beer run while he was passed out in a Dharma Van to get the info.

What really struck me is that the people we saw interact with Jacob off Island and Ben like everyone else on LOST have Daddy issues and that got me thinking about Biblical Jacob and Esau. In the Bible Jacob was favored by his mother and Esau by his father, but the father gave Jacob the blessing and even though he found out he was tricked he couldn't revoke it in favor of his favorite son. But it was the Mommy thing that really got me thinking. Esau's mom didn't like him or his wives. And now we see what could be the Esau-like Man In Black using Ben's dead Mommy to draw him into this long con power play against Jacob. Quite ironic. The other thing that really stood out and that I had mis-remembered was that Ben's dead mom appeared to him twice before he met Richard. Using Ben's Mom was not part of Richard's power play, it was a separate action taken by the Island forces.

The other thing that stood out to me was young Ben taken the drunk Roger's shoes off him when he was passed out on the couch on Ben's birthday. It looked exactly like something we'd seen Kate do and could imagine Jack doing as well.

lost2010 said...

I'm rewatching Season 2, and I've noticed that Sawyer's hair was definitely at it's best in Season 2. Err, wait, that's not what I meant to say.

I meant to say that there is a scene where Jack wakes up on the lower bunk of the hatch and he jerks awake like he's disoriented. I can very much see Season 6 starting with one of our existing characters jerking awake on a bunk bed. . . and either it being a fake-out and it isn't in the hatch at all. . .or he goes to push the button and at the end of the scene one of the other losties or Ben is revealed as the other button pusher. . . . because Jack's reset didn't do quite what they'd planned.

Capcom said...

Interesting points Memphish. And if I'm recalling corectly, wasn't RA a little surprised that Ben said he saw his mother? Sort of like a, "Wow, no kidding, this is important!" kind of reaction.

I would not be surprised, Lost2010, if there was some kind of reboot like that. I liked Sawyer's hair when it was shorter, in the first two seasons. :-)

lost2010 said...

Rewatch-wise:

In maternity leave, how did Aaron get Roseola. . .don't babies still have to catch that from somewhere? Sure it's common in the general population of babies back in civilization. . .but on an island? I'm sure they'll never go back to it, but it always bugged me a little.

lost2010 said...

Also, in Maternity Leave. Kate holds Aaron for about half the episode. But suddenly in Eggtown she 'isn't good with babies' and won't pick him up. Did she acquire a baby-allergy from Sawyer sometime after Maternity Leave?

memphish said...

In Eggtown Kate had that "oh sh** I might be pregnant, but actually I've just got PMS" baby phobia.

As for the roseola, who knows. It was probably just a heat rash. Spinal surgeons don't know anything about pediatrics. Jack just made that up so he didn't sound totally stupid.

lost2010 said...

So you think Season 6 will end up being all about Jacob the ambiguously-friendly ghost? I really don't care much for that storyline at all.

I was really hoping Claire would play into Season 6 more. I miss Claire.

memphish said...

I have no clue what S6 will be about. I'm leaning toward a time loop/time reset scenario where Claire and Aaron get on the helicopter and leave the Island after Charlie drowns. Desmond's visions were scrambled among time loops. Maybe Penny will also be the one to parachute to the Island instead of Naomi as well. Who knows?

Maven and Scoutpost, you can add a question about Desmond's Claire helicopter flash to the list. I want one or both of you to trap Damon on an elevator and not let him off until he answers all the questions. Got it? :-D

maven said...

lol, Memphish! I think Darlton and us in an elevator would be heavenly!

We are really getting excited as Comic Con approaches...making plans to meet up with people and be part of this experience! The "getting in line at 3AM" plan will definitely screw up my sleep for about a week!

Capcom said...

Memphish, some people are wondering how you arrived at the 100BC point in your timeline, for when the FBs saw the full statue during the flashes. Tx.

memphish said...

I thought I posted a comment on that Capcom. It was just an estimate based on the statue's content. Now we know it could have been anytime before the 1970s according to Ben's statement that it had been destroyed before he got there. We know it was still up in the 1840s. Basically it can't be pinpointed at this time.

lost2010 said...

I started to ask how we know it was still up in the 1840s but then I remembered the scene with Jacob Ford and Blackie Shepherd where the Black Rock was sailing toward them.

memphish said...

Just saw that Harpers Island is available to Watch Instantly on Netflix if any of you who missed it are interested.

Zort70 said...

Hi all,

Just seen this article that talks about ABC being sued over Lost by someone that pitched a similar idea.

Capcom said...

Thanx Memphish for the answer. :-)

Interesting news Zort. Actually, Anthony Spinner is no slouch in the TV business as producer, writer, etc. It will be interesting to see what happens with this, if it has credence. It sounds like his "beef" is strickly with ABC suits and not the Lost creators, per se.

Capcom said...

P.S. Zort, I and an fellow blogger are trying to find some info on the logo on Des' polo shirt when he's talking to Jack and Penny in the stadium. It's a red two-headed phoenix. So far I've only found a connection to "ORDO AB CHAO", which means "order out of chaos", as a old freemason motto. Is that a common thing for him to be wearing in the UK do you think or know? That is, if so, then it would be no big deal and not an issue to persue. Tx. Order out of chaos does kind of reflect Jacob's attitude about his hopes for humankind and their progress, so it's something that we're playing with in the interim, but don't want to waste time on a dead end -- there are just too many dead ends to go around on Lost. :-)

memphish said...

So can this guy who is suing ABC tell us what the heck happened when Juliet detonated the bomb? Cause if he can, then I'd be willing to entertain his case, otherwise get over your bad self dude.

lost2010 said...

I thought somebody already did this and got their name added to the credits as a creator or something. I could have sworn I read about it a while back. Is this a different guy?

Capcom said...

Lost2010, there is a guy who made the original pitch about a castaway show, then ABC hired J.J. to do it instead. As of last season I believe that his name was still on the created-by credits in the beginning of the show. It's on Lostpedia somewhere. But it's not the same guy that has a lawsuit now, I'm pretty sure.

Zort70 said...

Capcom, I don't recognise the logo, although I haven't really had a good look at it.

This is the best picture I could get of it without going back to the episode myself and trying a screencap :

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/happypixie/dezshirt.jpg

The Freemasons connection would be quite odd for what we have seen of Desmonds character. In films / TV series in the UK people usually only join the Freemasons to go undercover to expose some sort of corruption / cover up.

Zort70 said...

However thinking about it it could just be an old football (soccer) shirt logo.

I'll see if I can find one that looks like it.

Zort70 said...

I've had a look around and the one it most reminds me of is a West Germany shirt logo.

http://www.subsidesports.com/uk/images/product/xlarge/CopaGerRetroSS1970.jpg

Forget the colour and the fact that it isn't an exact match, but this logo has gone through many changes over the years.

It would be odd for an English fan to wear a German football (soccer) shirt, but not impossible.

Takes a Village said...

Sometimes a shirt, is just a shirt.
If it was a red shirt,now that could mean something.Thanks for the doing the leg work, and digging for clues,because mysteries don't solve themselves.
I found a way to get a closer look at The Lost Dharma Initiative DVD.
You can click, and Zoom in, until you can see the smiling face of Horace,and more.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0027CSPOC/ref=dp_image_text_z_0?ie=UTF8&n=130&s=dvd

Maven;
Do you remember "The King Of Comedy"? In the movie; the struggling comedian kidnaps, and holds hostage a TV talk show host,in order to appear live on his late night show.I think Damon and Carlton need an intervention,until we get some answers.

Capcom said...

Thanks for your links and info Zort! It does look like a knockoff of the German logo. Heavy metal fans like to wear that logo a lot for some reason too. I got a better closeup of the two heads and put it here, with also some links to uses of the two-headed phoenix (which is where I got the freemason info): link

You're right Village, I think that we had just brought up the shirt logo after we got tired of all the time warp talk, haha.

Capcom said...

P.D. Holymoly Village, I didn't know about that DVD release, that's awesome. :-o

Sayid'sgirl said...

Hey everyone hope you all are having a great summer.
I heard about that Dharma DVD set.
It's nice and all but I'm not paying an extra 35.00 (25.00 if you get blu - ray) for a cute box and a few extra pamplets.
I'll just stick with the basics. :)

Black Swan said...
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Black Swan said...

Just checking in and hoping everyone's having a great summer!

Sayid'sgirl, so it's a fancied-up version on the DVD's? I think I'll stick to the basics, too.

The Emmy nominations are up. Lost got 5 (including Outstanding Drama Series), but no nomination for Josh Holloway or Elizabeth Mitchell?? Of course, William Shatner's name is there... sorry, I don't get it..

maven said...

Congrats to Michael Emerson on his Emmy nomination! And LOST got Best Drama!

We leave for Comic Con in ONE WEEK!

Black Swan said...

Maven, that is sooooo exciting! Better catch some extra sleep this week while you can.. LOL!

Capcom said...

I don't get it either Blacky. Except for what I ranted about last year...it all boils down to politics and agenda. :-p

Black Swan said...

I know, capcom. It seems they are quicker to acknowledge the established hollywood actors. I'm pleased about the Best Drama (Emerson, of course), and Darlton for the writing nod (and it's amazing that they are only up against 4 Mad Men eps for that).

bigdog said...

Hello all, i just had to express my frustration somewhere that Josh & Elizabeth were not nominated for Emmys. although i am glad for the show. i dont even think this was emersons best season.

good i feel better.

Capcom said...

Let it out, Bigdog! We concur.

Well, what I mean about the Emmys for instance Blacky is that, IMNSHO, if "Mad Men" was more like "Leave It To Beaver" than it is like Bob Guccione's "Caligula", it would hardly get noticed, the same way that Lost is hardly acknowleged. "Mad Men" didn't have any well-known actors on it when it began to get all the nominations, it's just more in keeping with Hollywood's current ethics/boundaries-pushing entertainment agenda. But don't mind me, I'm just sick of the punks that are now in charge of Hollywood telling us that good stories about good people are boring. :-p

I guess that Lost requires too much brain-work on the part of the judges and critics to get the recognition that it deserves. They'll probably give it some kind of award after the last season, like the the Oscars withheld awards from the Lord Of The Rings movies until the series was finished. Bah-humbug.

Black Swan said...

Yeah, capcom! I agree (great rant!) It seems every year I get mad at the Emmys.. LOL!

I think they'll wait 'til the last season, too. (and then they'd better rake'em in!)

Capcom said...

Heheh, I guess that I did rant, sorry. :-x I am glad to see that the Mentalist guy got a nom though, I like that show and he's neat.

scoutpost said...

I agree with the rant, so rant away! I read somewhere that the Emmy's has traditionally slighted sci-fi shows and they gave the example of Star Trek and a few others...so whatever. It IS a lot of politics, you even hear some big stars talking about how award shows are not that respectable any more. I've gotten to where I like to hear more about the lesser known awards, because they seem to have more credit to them.

I'm hoping that maybe next year they will recognize LOST more since it will have been concluded and they can look at it as a whole. Sort of like LOTR didn't get many awards until the third one was done and it was almost like they were awarded for the collective effort. I can hope anyway.

In the meantime....getting really excited about next week!
memphish, I will definitely corner, tackle, and/or kidnap Darlton and ask them your question if you will promise that you'll post bail for me when they arrest me. ;)

maven said...

One more week until getting in line for the LOST panel!

Sayid'sgirl said...

I'm finally done. I've watched every episode of all 5 seasons.
I wasn't that impressed with season 5 when I watched during the season. I only really liked 5 or 6
episodes. But I have to say it's much better when watched back to back it flows better.

memphish said...

It's amazing how that happens isn't it Sayid's Girl. I finished re-watching S3 recently which could be my least favorite, but really now it's like ranking your top five ice cream flavors. Your most favorite may really stand out, but it's not like you'd turn down a pint of number 5 either.

Amused2bHere said...

just checking in....
returning to lurk mode now..

;)

lost2010 said...

Have fun on your trip guys! Sounds like a ton of fun. :)

Zort70 said...

I'm waiting for all the really juicy stuff from Comic-Con

memphish said...

Question -- in Episode 4.1 Hurley gets told by ghost Charlie that they need the O6 and that they need to go back, but by the time we're seeing Hurley in the hospital close to the time they indeed go back Hurley doesn't want to go. So was it some "evil" spirit telling Hurley to go back, to not go back? Why the change of heart Hurley? I don't get it.

Capcom said...

I don't either, if Jacob wasn't the deciding factor for him. And that's a good Q as to who was impersonating Charlie, if anyone was.

Are the LostARG admins going to update pertinent Lost ComicCon info as it happens? Or just wait for some kind of ARGness to begin updates? I'd rather go there than slog through the other sites with too much info on them. :-)

Happy Man On The Moon Day everyone, even if it isn't a holiday yet.

maven said...

Capcom and all: Scoutpost and I will do our best to post something here. We are not as proficient as others are for immediate postings. So you might have to look to DarkUFO or DocArtz for that. I did start a blog to post pictures/video on. I have an iPhone for instant postings, but it takes me forever to type out something very detailed on it. Hope to play catch up when we get back to hotel.

Capcom said...

Thanks Maven, what a nice thing for you to do!

memphish said...

So I'm confused. Dan is watching the wreckage of 815 being found and he's crying. But why is he crying? He doesn't know any of these people yet unless he's already made at least one time loop. Because the way I understood it was Daniel, born in approx. 1977/78 lives from 1977 to 2004/05 and then goes back and lives 1974-1977 as a 27-30 year old. But 27 year old Daniel crying at his TV hasn't met any 815ers yet, nor has he been to the Island unless of course he time travelled there while frying his brain though I don't think we've seen anything that would confirm that. I guess there might be things in his journal about the 815ers? Maybe?

Oh no, now I'm more confused. That journal is like the compass. He gets the journal in the 1990s, but his older self filled it with stuff in the 1970s so what the heck does it contain in 2004? I'm strongly beginning to suspect that this group of people are time looping and that we've seen parts of multiple loops and that it's going to take the end of the series for us to figure out what episodes are in which loops or some such thing. If anyone can talk me off this ledge I'd appreciate it.

Capcom said...

Right Memphish, according to Miles (if we can believe Miles about time loops), Dan hasn't met them yet, even if it does happen in the past -- he hasn't been to the future where he meets them there, or to the past where he knows them already. So I have never understood that either. Unless TPTB have a way that they are going to cook up some explanation of that. The way Dan is, I'm just filing it in my brain as that he is a very empathetic person...until further input from TPTB. Cuz I've got no clue. Of course with all the talk of his memory loss, there is plenty of sand in the works there to muck my theory up.

Yes, the journal is like the compass, good point! Someone else was saying another object is like the compass too, but I forget what. Perhaps it was Charlie's guitar.

Maybe a new post should be started here for the ComicCon news, and also to post Maven's CC blog on it? I've got ya posted on the sidebar of my blog already Maven! :-D

maven said...

Thanks, Capcom. I wrote to Melissa_Lossa. I believe she's the only Admin left!

Melissa_Lossa said...

Ask and ye shall receive - NEW POST!!