Wednesday, March 21, 2007

THE MAN FROM TALLAHASSEE - SEASON 3, EPISODE 13


In tonight's episode Ben tries to persuade a determined Locke to call off his destructive plan by offering him some of the secrets of the island, and Kate's reunion with Jack does not go off as planned when she discovers that he has made a deal with "The Others."

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Sayid'sgirl said...

Happy Lost Day All
Looking forward to tonights show and all the good comments after.

scoutpost said...

only 3 hrs 45 min left to go here in Phoenix! The longest 3 hrs and 45 min of my life.
See the night owls after the show! (Poor Maven)

maven said...

Thanks, Scoutpost, for thinking of me. Am I the only one on West coast time? :(

Here's a repost from last thread:
FYI: Just got off the phone with a friend just back from Honolulu! At dinner one night they set right next to Dominic and Evangeline (in a long blond wig) and her parents! Tried to get a pic, but he kept ducking. Then later (after Dom and Evi left), in walks Sun (Yoon-jin) with a guy. WOW

DeDJeZTeR said...

FOUR!!!!

Mind if I play through... lol

See you all after the show.

ExperimentalFilm said...

jfkhdfjkas some number ! maybe 5 ?

memphish said...

Maven, that is a fun story. It's getting all set for just over an hour from now! Woo-hoo!

I wonder if the wig came from the set. Did your friend say it was horrendous?

maven said...

Memphish: She said it was platinum blond and every obvious! LOL

memphish said...

Flashback hair of doom strikes again!

chucklez3 said...

drive-by..............

can't stay on. good to see you all.

maven said...

Okay, everyone have a great time watching and commenting...I'll check in 11 pm PST, but I'm usually too tired to think straight to add my two cents and gut reactions! Probably play catchup tomorrow. This episode looks to be awesome!

ExperimentalFilm said...

doesn't locke look so much older with his combover ?

memphish said...

The Just For Men hair color doesn't help either.

Beana said...

LOL!!! Just for men...

The episode just aired in Canada and I hear it's great! Can't wait for 10:00 EDT!

ExperimentalFilm said...

hahahhhhaaha memphish .

Tim said...

Here we go!

Keesh said...

Ready you guys?

Tim said...

OK.. who did Locke kill???

Keesh said...

You may have called it, all in his head.

Tim said...

Juliette throws less like a girl than Tom does.

memphish said...

Capcom, did your brain explode? It's more complicated than we thought. LMAO.

Keesh said...

They pay disability for depression? My whole generation's got it made.

memphish said...

Awesome opening. Depression, therapy, our boy Locke! Is his eye scar more prominent again, or am I just looking at him? And where the heck is Danielle?

Sayid'sgirl said...

Is it just in my area but does it sound garbled to you guys like an old tape?

Tim said...

Locke states the obvious :)

Psychosomatic??

memphish said...

Who was Locke talking to in the Previously on Lost about the Island making him whole? I don't remember him telling anyone that. Is it going to show him telling Walt?

ExperimentalFilm said...

anyone else notice a different tattoo on jacks arm ?

Tim said...

Shoot... I seem to remember him telling that to someone. Was it when he was teaching Walt to throw the knives?

Tim said...

Aha. Locke kills the other lover!!

ExperimentalFilm said...

LMAO "no solicitors .. see, i have a sign ."

Keesh said...

Adam Seward
Peter Talbot
How bad could he be?
Locke is such a liar! KILL HIM OFF after we find out why he's in that chair.

Sayid'sgirl said...

I think he told Boone that about the island making him whole.

ExperimentalFilm said...

well i feel a little better that they were watching him .. the way he said it seemed like he had made a deal and was trying to act normal

Tim said...

Aw yeah. We all knew that's what Locke was after – except Ben I guess.

memphish said...

Island Locke is good; good plan; Jack has a reason; wait 'til dark; split up.

Adam Seward said he was from Canada. Does this make his an Other like Ethan? And Adam was "special."

The Jack stuff is messing with my head!

Ben is so creepy good! Alex? The submarine! Okay, I was spoiled and knew that.

Darkaardvark said...

I really, really hope that Locke's dad is the original Sawyer.

This episode is shaping up nicely.

memphish said...

Thanks for the Boone thing. I didn't rewatch FI. Guess I should have.

Tim said...

I think they're setting us up to be suspicious of Jack... but I still just think he's being manipulated.

Tim said...

Is the man from Tallahassee... Locke's "father?"

Sayid'sgirl said...

Did Ben call Tom Richard?
Oh and I've noticed this before on closed captioning it calls Tom (Friendly) cracks me up.

Keesh said...

NAVY- Patchy's connection!

Tim said...

Did Ben call Tom Richard?

No, it looked like there was someone else in the room. Tom said he'd wait outside.

Keesh said...

We need screen shots of that rec room

scoutpost said...

Ok I know you east coasters are watching right now, so I'm not stopping to read. Just wanted to say that I'm jealous that you all get to be on at the same time and talk while the epi is happening! Have fun!!!

Darkaardvark said...

Why do I feel like Jack's being lied to? The Others have no communication with the outside world "ever since the sky turned purple" and there's a very good chance that they can't actually leave the island.

But anyways, Jack's probably not leaving. If the submarine is there ticket out, then Locke seems pretty determined to blow up their way off the island.

memphish said...

There was too much in that segment to talk about and now the commercial with "Downtown" in it is playing.

Tim said...

Keesh - I agree about the rec room. I wonder if there's anything to be seen on that bulletin board.

ExperimentalFilm said...

jack is annoying .

memphish said...

DA, I'm even fearful that they were going to send out Jack and Juliet and take them out, but now Locke's going to be my hero if he takes out the sub.

Notice that they still call Jack by his last name though. He's definitely not one of them. And Ben's all better in a week? And they are going to send away their only 2 doctors that we know of?

Keesh said...

scratched into the pool table, "JJ Rules"

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ExperimentalFilm said...

HAHAHAHAA ya got some foodsss, biotch ??
i love locke . especially when hes hungry .

Keesh said...

Giant Hampsters, I KNEW IT

Darkaardvark said...

Holy crap. If Benry just told the truth: Biggest answer given yet on Lost, ever.

memphish said...

You're in a wheelchair and I'm not! Oh Snap!

Tim said...

Really? I don't know, even if that's an answer, what the heck does it mean?

I love the move by Sayid with Alex.

memphish said...

It's the Hieronymous machine right?

ExperimentalFilm said...

aardvark - what he said about the "illusion" ?

ExperimentalFilm said...

fjklsdjfakljfs I KNOW WHATS IN THE BOX AND ITS EATING ME UP !!

memphish said...

The flashback is pre-Helen right? Locke is driving the VW, not the truck.

memphish said...

Why are Ben's walls covered with masks? I think that says a lot.

Sayid'sgirl said...

So where has Danielle wondered off to?

ExperimentalFilm said...

i think this is right after helen left him

Tim said...

I feel like this is a meatier episode, time-wise. Short commercial breaks.

Darkaardvark said...

He wasn't paralyzed with Helen, and assumedly we're going to see him paralyzed in this flashback, so I'd say post-Helen.

Also, I have no clue about the stuff before. I'll have to re-watch it. I agree it raises more questions than answers, what I meant was that if he was telling the truth, then we at least a part of what lies at the root of explaining everything.

memphish said...

If Locke blows up Jack I'll never watch this show again! I'm warning you!

Tim said...

That hatch scene opening the submarine is pretty reminiscient to Locke going down the hatch the first time.

If Ben cared about him blowing up the sub, wouldn't he be doing something about it now?

Sayid'sgirl said...

Ben just set up Jack

Darkaardvark said...

Locke's dad's got McClutchen whisky! It's the new Numbers! It's everywhere!

ExperimentalFilm said...

aww danielle :(

and ah, mccutcheons .

Tim said...

There it is. Wow.

memphish said...

So I guess the injury is real. Mea culpa.

ExperimentalFilm said...

damnn locke's dad is a jerk . a hardcore, mean jerk ,

Sayid'sgirl said...

I was just going to say Lockes dad was conning him then out the window he goes.

Kat said...

I HATE LOCKE!!!! AHHHHHHHH

memphish said...

So Ben wanted the sub destroyed but he didn't want to be responsible for it and now he's got what he wants. Ben is my favorite character!

memphish said...

So Locke's dad killed Peter Talbott and tried to kill Locke? Like Sawyer he's a con man and a killer.

Tim said...

Dang. That Jeep commercial with the wolf just confused me more than Lost.

ExperimentalFilm said...

and FOR CLARIFICATION LOCKE WAS NOT the same person that hurley saw fall off the building in "numbers" .. he was falling face down, locke was face up .

Keesh said...

No chance that was an accountant's building, right :-(

That is so SAWYER!

Sayid'sgirl said...

I was trying to figure out the whiskey thanks

megan said...

good lord that looked painful.

on another note, from earlier in the epi, did anyone else get a little teary when jack told kate "i'll come back here for you"? i had a bit of a moment.

i am really enjoying this episode! i feel like its SO much better than the last couple. =] also, haven't posted in a few weeks..glad to be back!

ExperimentalFilm said...

WHOAAAA RICHARD ALPERT .

Keesh said...

Who is Richard?!

Sayid'sgirl said...

Richard is Mittleos

Tim said...

So "The Man from Tallahassee..." Still yet to be explained.

ExperimentalFilm said...

"what, you wanna know if it hurt my feelings ?"

hahahahaha .

ExperimentalFilm said...

JFKLSDJ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim said...

"The Man from Tallahassee!!!"

Keesh said...

HOLY @#$# WHAT THE CRAP IS GOING ON?!

Darkaardvark said...

Okay, if you listened to the podcast, you heard my email saying that this episode would be the climax of Locke's storyline.

[Locke Season 2]

I was WRONG.

[/Locke Season 2]

And the obligatory:

Nice ending. Real nice.

ExperimentalFilm said...

ogomgomgomgomgomg

charlies totally gonna die .

sun finds out who dragged her in the jungle and she finds out its charlie and thats how he dies cause she kills him and thats my theory if i call it right SOMEONES sendin me an apollo bar .

memphish said...

That episode rocked! And either Nikki or Paolo or both are dying early in the next episode! Yeah!

Kimber said...

oh come on don't you think it's the smoke monster? Hi Maven!

Tim said...

So... are we supposed to think that Locke's dad came out of the "box?"

Beana said...

WHOA!!!! I can't even talk right now.... Amazing Episode!

megan said...

i hope nikki and paulo bite the big one because they are USELESS. bleh.

Sayid'sgirl said...

So is his Dad there because that's what Locke wanted to be there or was he brought there?

memphish said...

EF, you can have my Apollo Bar.

There is apparently a huge stockpile of eyeliner on the island for Mr. Alpert. How cool was that? That Richard was Mr./Dr. Alpert.

megan said...

i'm so confused about the box haha. but this was such a great epi!!

megan said...

sayidsgirl..good question.
i got the feeling he was brought there? maybe..i dunno.

still so confused! i cannot wait for some GOOD answers.

Darkaardvark said...

"oh come on don't you think it's the smoke monster? Hi Maven!"

Theory of the moment: The smoke monster IS the box.

I still want to know why the heck Kate saw that darned horse. It really doesn't fit in with any of the other smoke monster vision/realities.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Kimber
That's what I was thinking when they were opening the door.

Tim said...

It's really amazing how they can reveal so much... without revealing anything at all.

memphish said...

Oh Megan, I was totally having a "this is just like Last of the Mohicans" moment with Jack and Kate. My poor little Jater heart was breaking and I loved how Jack said he wasn't with anyone. No Jacket people! This ends my shipper fangirl rant for the evening.

chucklez3 said...

Dear writers of Lost:

Pick a direction and go with it already!! hahaha. j/k.

ummm.........anyone realize that Ben is the "bastehd" child of Whoopi Goldberg and Gollum???

The eyes (Gollum) and the LACK of EYEBROWS (Whoopi). YIKES!!!!!!!

anyway, off to my "cell".

later.

miss you all.

ExperimentalFilm said...

haha thanks memphish .

richard alpert ? not gonna, REALLY hot .

oh, and i heard paulo dies soon . but idk where i heard it .

Tim said...

"I will find you!"

Except Jack needed to jump through a waterfall.

memphish said...

As for the box thing, I think Picsel was completely right back in our discussion about FBYE with the Hieronymous machine. Picsel, please post the link again. I don't want to search. The scientist was Galen Hieronymous and the basic idea is that whatever you thought of/wished for appeared in the machine.

Kimber said...

DA
if smokey can connect with losties and pull an image don't you think that Locke's dad bound and gagged would be locke's favorite image. Kate's horse just hasn't been explained yet.

Darkaardvark said...

You know what seems odd to me? P***o and N***i aren't even mentioned in the TV Guide summary or the trailer for their flashback episode. It's like their irrelevance IS their story. Or something.

memphish said...

There are waterfalls on the island for Jack to jump through. I vote Jack jumps through a waterfall next episode and drowns Nikki and Paolo in it. And yeah, someone dies finally. That's a sick sentiment, but come on people; I need help in TV Squad's Death Pool.

ExperimentalFilm said...

in the lost and found part of the lost website, it shows a screencap of charlie's guitar case from "flashes before your eyes" where it says charlie hieronymous pace .. and it specifically says, "notice his middle name ?"

i think this box = hieronymous thing is really coming into play, making sense of a lot of things here .

Tim said...

Isn't Kate from Iowa, or something like that? Good chance she had horses as a kid, or something along those lines, and that could be some important memory for her we just haven't seen yet.

memphish said...

Kate's horse = her freedom, from real dad (whose name I forget) and justice in the form of the marshall. The marshall told Kate just before he died "You don't look free to me." The horse on the island confirmed to Kate that she was indeed free.

Kimber said...

Memphish, I like that theory about Kate's horse.

memphish said...

Here's a link about the Hieronymous machine. Again, it was Picsel who first brought this to our attention. Way to go Picsel!

dolenore said...

Alright... so my theory last week was just proven false... I stand by the theory that Lock's father is the real Sawyer, however.

I also have to agree, Ben is rapidly becoming my favorite character.

ExperimentalFilm said...

but we HAVE seen kates memory of that horse .. its the same horse that allowed her to escape from the marshall when he first captured her

Melissa_Lossa said...

Wait, what?! That was so great, and I have no idea what it means.

BTW - memphish, I cracked up at your oh snap comment. Too funny!

Tim said...

Well maybe we should all pitch in and buy a Hieronymous machine :) It's only $600. Then we can see if this is legit or not...

memphish said...

I'll pitch in the contents of my coin container Tim. I want winning lottery numbers the next time Powerball = $300 million.

Melissa_Lossa said...

so, smokey is the machine? I like it!

But, Ben asked Alpert to get the man from Talahasee long before Locke saw him. I wonder what that means.

ExperimentalFilm said...

lmao hahahahahah okay time for my immaturity . im sorry but i have to say this .

this is the scenario that i wanted so desperately to happen:

BEN: did it hurt ?
LOCKE: did what hurt ?
BEN: .. when you fell from heaven ?

Tim said...

Maybe we can ask the Hieronymous machine to give us answers about lost :)

memphish said...

So Jack wants to see his father, so his father appears in Ben's closet and Ben lets him run loose around the island and lead Jack to water since Jack didn't die falling over the cliff. Is that what's happening? Or is what you wish for not contained in Ben's box? Is it only contained in Ben's box if that is what Ben is wishing for?

Oh, and I forgot to say earlier, Hi Chucklez3. I miss you. And where are you jgz350 and capcom?

Melissa_Lossa said...

experimentalfilm - that is just WRONG!


So, this is the second time that the person that Ben has needed most has just shown up at the right time. First Jack, now Locke. Maybe the island helps Others in mysterious ways?

memphish said...

EF, are you saying that Locke is Lucifer?

Darkaardvark said...

BEN: did it hurt ?
LOCKE: did what hurt ?
BEN: .. when you fell from heaven ?


I'll admit that I was thinking that too. Also, it reminded me of the time when Ben was out with Sawyer, and started quoting Of Mice and Men, "A man gets lonely, some times." That scene was going to get interesting. But then I realized he was quoting a book.

Also, I agree on the horse thing. That explains it adequately for me. I knew the significance of the horse in Kate's life, it just didn't seem to me to be big enough to warrant that being what she saw, but it makes sense now.

Melissa_Lossa said...

memphish - Ben asked Alpert to get Locke's father while Locke was still in his closet, so they must have been keeping him somewhere else. But where?

memphish said...

Melissa, I'd guess that Ben wished for a cure to his spinal tumor, and what happened, a plane with a spinal surgeon fell from the sky. Ben needed a way to keep everyone on the island without it being his autocratic decision and without breaking promises and Locke shows up with C4. Does the box give Ben visions too, because Jack wasn't In The Box (nor was Locke). I crack myself up some times.

capcom said...

OH BABY!!!! No blood shooting out of my ears on this one! This ep was fantastic, even if Jack almost did say what I thought he would say, but it was more like that Kate would not be able to understand. I forget now exactly what he said.

ANYWAY, gosh tonight was awesome, the internet is going to be smokin' for the rest of the week!

Yeah, was not that too freaky that the commercial played "Downtown"?! :o) I gasped and laughed so hard, that I almost choked myself.

You're right Memphish! The Hieronymous machine, Picsel where are yoooooooooooooooou?!

I tell you, I am just blown away. Ben is totally my fave Other (I can't ditch Dezzy completely), I want to have his chiildren.I want to go to the island and be trained by him. I could rule the world.

capcom said...

Seward.....Sawyer......could James have possibly heard the name wrong and thought it was Sawyer? We'll have to see.

ExperimentalFilm said...

haha ben's totally batting for the other team .

thats why he wants jack to stay there so bad .

Melissa_Lossa said...

Yeah, that must really tick Ben off. Locke wants to walk again, and as soon as he touches the island, he can. Ben wants a spinal surgeon and the island drops one down for him - on the other side of the island, with lots of other people and their issues. Talk about only helping those that help themselves.

Tim said...

Too many puns to make... Locke was in the closet... Ben... did it hurt... overload.

memphish said...

That's a cool idea Melissa that yes, you get what you want, but you get unintended consequences as well like the death of a number of your colleagues.

Melissa_Lossa said...

capcom - I thought the same thing about Sawyer. The names were really close and Sawyer was a little kid.

And for the record, I am right there with you on the whole Des issue. Yum. :)

dolenore said...

Melissa_Lossa said...

memphish - Ben asked Alpert to get Locke's father while Locke was still in his closet, so they must have been keeping him somewhere else. But where?


I don't think he meant it literally. Ben was planting a seed in Locke's mind when he said that. Remember, he knows everything about Locke, so it'd be easy for him to mention the "Man from Tallahassee" and expect John to immidiately think of his father... once he's thinking of him, *bamph* Smokey takes on the shape of his father for him.

The Box = Smokey

ExperimentalFilm said...

i want to believe that the others are lying all the time .. but i cant figure them out . i cant figure jack out .. hes not the same person .

and did anyone else think he gained some weight ?

ExperimentalFilm said...

hahahahahah tim .

Darkaardvark said...

In the Heroes universe, I want HRG to get on a plane to go find Claire. I want that plane to crash on the Losties' island. Right near the Barracks. I want the Others to come and drag HRG to Ben.

I want HRG and Ben to stare at each other, silently, with their best bad-guy glares, for five minutes. No dialog. Just HRG and Ben, being evil.

How awesome would that be?

DeDJeZTeR said...

Okay so I got one out of 4 right on my theory for John Locke... His father was involved... lol

WoooooW!!! That was a really great episode. The secret they are all willing to die for is pinball... PINBALL I say...j/k

Juliet was the last recruit for the island.

Memphish,
I like your theory on Kate's horse. Mine has always been the same thing. That horse changes her direction from caught to free and in that episode she relized she was free and changed direction in character on the island.

so um yeah... Cooper is a mean mean man... lol

Melissa_Lossa said...

dolenore - good idea. Ben says "man from Tallahassee" and Locke thinks, "my dad was from Tallahassee...." Interesting.

I like the Nightcrawler sound effect with Smokey, too. :)

memphish said...

EF, it was the month he spent in New York. And the lack of pull up opportunities outside of the fish tank.

Here's the thing about Locke's dad -- it's been four years since Locke was paralyzed since he saw him. Does Locke's dad look the same? Crap, my head hurts when it comes to the box/the monster stuff.

capcom said...

Too punny Tim! :-D

And ditto on the "Oh Snap" Memphish!

memphish said...

Ben knows exactly what buttons to push on everyone. How?

Melissa_Lossa said...

memphish - We know that Cooper disappeared after pushing Locke, but do we know for sure that Locke has not seen him since? The only post-wheelchair flashbacks we have seen were in walkabout, and he was in Australia for part of that.

capcom said...

Was anyone besides me surprised when Mr.Racoon-Eyeliner stepped into the shot to release Locke from the handcuffs? Or did I miss him earlier? I sure didn't see that one coming.

ExperimentalFilm said...

hahaha it was juliet's burgers !

and something just seems so weird with his dad .. besides the fact that he magically appeared on the island . his face looked like he was beaten pretty bad . did they interrogate him ? if so, why ? too many questions .

dolenore said...

I'll go one step further...


I think that Smokey is the Others' primary research now. They know what it can do and want to control it, to "see anything inside the box you could desire"... Ben realized that Smokey fixed Locke and that Locke in only 80 days has made a connection with Smokey that Ben has spent his whole life trying to achieve. Ben now wants to use John Locke to influence Smokey.

Melissa_Lossa said...

capcom - I recognized him in Ben's bedroom, but only because I saw on spoilerfix that he was in this episode.

Andy said...

my first thought from tonight -WTF
which is a big deal because i don't really ever have that reaction.

but that box hmmmm

is the box -smokey
or
is smokey the arm of the box?

memphish said...

Oh, you spoiled yourself Melissa. I didn't know Capcom. Someone here asked who's Richard and I didn't know the answer. By the way I much preferred his Luis on Suddenly Susan accent and lack of eyeliner.

Melissa_Lossa said...

So far, we have not seen any direct evidence that the Others know about Smokey. However, I'm convinced that Walt found a way to control Smokey (albeit imperfectly) and that's what the Others meant when they said that they got more than they bargained for with Walt. I'm interested to see how much they know.

ExperimentalFilm said...

03/14 - Michael Emerson reveals: "There’s some role reversal that takes place there. Someone that’s used to being in power is dis-empowered and someone sort of takes charge in an interesting way in that episode." Source: BuddyTV

interesitng that we thought the role reversal would be with jack when, evidently, it was locke that took control .

looks like locke's strange behavior and motives weren't cause hes a pyromaniac .

AND notice that locke mentioned, concerning mikhail, ".. right before i killed him." so there was no alterior motive here .. locke did want to kill him, not knowing whether or not that fence worked .

can you imagine if the fence diddnt work ? itd just be like mikhail staring at locke . talk about awkward .

Melissa_Lossa said...

I know, I know. It's just so hard to stay away from those spoilers!

ExperimentalFilm said...

i feel you, melissa .. i read about locke's dad in the box yesterday . really does ruin it .

memphish said...

What the heck was up with Danielle tonight? I'm sticking by my Danielle = Mrs. Bennett theory which works very nicely with Darkaardvark's Ben is equivalent to HRG theory. Danielle did something which required her expulsion from the group and taking Alex from her and they wiped her mind and implanted the story she told Sayid and that's why she hasn't seen the other things they've seen in the last few weeks. The Haitian keeps plucking memories from her mind.

wopalockapino said...

Ok, wasn't the guy from Tennessee (I am assuming it was the guy who unlocked Locke) the photographer from Suddenly Susan, with Brooke Sheilds?? Brooke Shields was in Easter Egg Adventure, with Eli Wallach
Eli Wallach was in Mystic River with Kevin Bacon?

Melissa_Lossa said...

EF - ha, ha, yeah that would make for an awkward moment. I imagine a long silence, and then Locke goes, "Soooooo...... the Others are that way, huh?"

The interesting thing is though, while Locke appeared to be in control, Ben still had the upper hand.

memphish said...

Crap, Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon and tied into Easter Eggs.

memphish said...

Danielle is the big wild card now. The Others have Jack, Juliet (who isn't really one of them because she really wanted to leave), Kate, Sayid, Locke, Locke's Dad--but they don't know about Danielle, and yeah! Sayid told Alex, sort of, about her mother.

capcom said...

Oh, you cheated Melissa! :o) But thanks.

Good idea Dolenore! And so it all comes down to this. After Hanso, and his change of purpose, and the Hippie-Dippie-DI, and the stations, and the purge......all the island dwellers have left to put their hopes in is The Box? ((and Julliet)) I love it!

Now, if that really is Locke's father (or Cooper, if he was not really even Locke's dad) Ben would have had to send his hit squad out to find him immediately after finding out about Locke's cure and the Others looked up info on him. Since after the purple sky, they would not be able to retrieve him obviously. Or else it's just a Box manifestation. Ohmygosh. Good idea about that being how Locke would have liked to see his dad.....beaten to a pulp. Heh-heh, I wonder if Cooper got hit by a bus? :o)

memphish said...

Just dawned on me, let's say that Locke's dad is Sawyer, this not only gives Locke what he wants, but Sawyer what he wants too.

Melissa_Lossa said...

I didn't know about Locke's dad, thank god. Last season, I managed to ruin the Desmond in the hatch reveal with spoilers, and I was taping Lost the night that Micahel shot Ana and Libby and accidently turned the TV on too early - just in time to see the end. So, I'm trying to avoid MAJOR spoilers.

DeDJeZTeR said...

Hey Memphish,

Don't forget that Richard Alpert was also the flying Batmanuel in the "Tick" series... lol

EF I noticed the tattoo as well. what was with that. it looked really fresh and red.

HRG vs. BEN stare off... I am so down with that.

memphish said...

Ded and EF, the tattoo thing has been resolved over on DarkUFO. They are Matthew Fox's arm art.

And Ded, are you sticking with foaming at the mouth Mikhail?

Melissa_Lossa said...

capcom - That's a great idea! Locke spent a lot of time with Ethan early on, so Ben might have realized that he had a connection that would need to be exploited. They research Locke's background, find his father and keep him on the island, just waiting for the right moment to bring him out. Then Ben can do his big reveal, making Locke think that the island brought his father there by magic.

Andy said...

so what would you guys want to come from the box?
i would go for MacGyver

here is a thought. . .if those who have a special connection to the island are able to bring people and things( Ecos plane ) wouldn't you think that they would be the ones who are really in control. . .

Yeah ohhhh . . .what if Jacob has this power and ben wants to overthrow Jacob then he needs his own island whisperer - John

oh man . . .

Melissa_Lossa said...

Okay, it's getting late time for bed. I'll catch you all tomorrow!

Hello west coasters! :)

Good night!

capcom said...

Right Experimental, that's what I'm thinking too about Danielle basically, and I'm sticking to that until they show something different. What I want to think is that Danielle was possibly a scientific expo recruit, and when the scientist recruits got to Islandville, she screwed up, got banished, but they kept Alex in Otherville. Over the years she just kind of got the story mixed up in her head, but she might start remembering correctly, if memories are triggered by being around Otherville and after seeing Alex. Did someone say that we are supposed to get some Danielle backstory this season?

DeDJeZTeR said...

Mempish,
I have something else planned but it might take a bit to get it up... you'll like it though... I think... lol

ExperimentalFilm said...

hahaah .

and yes, true .

the hieronymous theory is a little abstract for me, im hoping thats not the ONLY thing, if anything, causing the events on the island .

memphish said...

Andy, that thing about Eko's plane. That's really blowing my mind because it was Boone and John that found it, not Eko. And then Sayid and Charlie saw it before Eko did. I need an Official Lost Podcast or hopefully a new Doc Jensen to figure out what I'm supposed to be thinking/asking now.

But here's the big thing. Most of these people want to go home right? Then why can't they get that?

And what the heck did Jack mean when he said the kids were safe?

The whole Jack, Jack and Kate thing were from another episode practically. Man I've got to watch that one again--tomorrow.

memphish said...

Ben had a star chart on the wall of his bedroom. I know people have been concerned about the stars we see in the sky since the Pilot. Maybe we'll get something on that tomorrow. The other main things in Ben's house were all the tribal masks and the photos of Alex as a youngster. There was also a painting of a woman. Did anyone see who that was? Was it Danielle?

capcom said...

BTW, I like the theory about Walt and Smokey, and the Others being jealous and scared of him being able to manipulate Smokey or The Box.

I think that I remember seeing Jacks underarm tattoos a long time ago, but they weren't red yet, just the outline. Or, not. :o)

"Island Whisperer", too funny! But hey, a grain of truth, maybe that's what they were going for with Walty but he was too rebelious? Well, not like Locke isn't, but they can communicate more on an adult level with Locke. Ooooooooh, IloveitIloveitIloveit!

memphish said...

Here's the thing that is driving me crazy about Locke. Why is he preventing everyone else from leaving the island? You want to stay and walk, fine stay and walk, but let me go home. Why does Locke want to prevent Jack from leaving? Because he knows that Jack will rescue him and talk him into leaving like Jack was going to convince Michael to return back in The Hunting Party?

memphish said...

I agree about Walt and his ability to mess with whatever is going on, but why would Walt appear to Shannon instead of his dad? I guess you might argue he was appearing to Vincent. I love all DOG OF DOOM theories. Or maybe he just wasn't very good at it. He was aiming for Michael but kept getting Shannon. Don't know.

memphish said...

Was Locke's-dad-in-the-box (can I get one of those for my 2-year-old niece?) the mind blower that TPTB were talking about at ComiCon?

memphish said...

Okay people where are you?

ExperimentalFilm said...

memphish said...
Ben had a star chart on the wall of his bedroom. I know people have been concerned about the stars we see in the sky since the Pilot.

what are the concerns over the stars ? i havent heard of these

DeDJeZTeR said...

maybe it was a wierd domino effect. Walt tries to speak to his dad and Vincent, but the island being omniscient, sees Michael shoot Ana Lucia, who shot Shannon and is with Vincent and thats where he ends up.

memphish said...

EF, various people, not me because I'm not scientific, have been analyzing the shots we get of the stars to try and figure out where they are. There's even some talk that the stars may be the "big thing" that TPTB say we've been missing in the Pilot.

At this point I'd say where's the Teddy Bear constellation? But given that Ben has a chart, why aren't Karl and Alex using the correct constellation names?

capcom said...

Ded, do you mean that Patchy McBubbles is going to leave us? :-(

BTW, could The Box (or a "to-go" portable version of it) have manifested the bus that killed Juliet's hubby? No, that would be too far-fetched. Otherwise, the DI could more easily change The Equation by just wishing the world's problems away. I wonder if The Box is a result of something they were trying for that very reason, for changing the Equation? Maybe along the lines of channeling people's thoughts to change the minds of people like Kruschev, Mao, Castro, and whomever else of the Cold War era. Like as in Remote Viewing? But it didn't work that way and they just ended up with a Box that manifested your personal dreams and wishes.

I know that we have a lot to process and understand this week, but if anyone feels like talking about what Jack meant by the kids being better off, that would be nice. That is, better off than on the sand-flea beach after the crash, or better off than they were in the world? I get the feeling that even though Jack wants to leave, he might think that Otherville isn't such a bad place to live, if you wanted to live there. Just thinkin'.

dolenore said...

Still here... no worries. I certainly hope that wasn't the mind-blower though.

memphish said...

But Jack says the kids are safe. Safe from what? Smokey? Danielle? The Losties? The Fleas?

memphish said...

Capcom, I like your idea about the bus and that also goes back to Walt and the bird as well and maybe even Claire and her wreck with her mom who she wished were dead. Maybe what they wish for is a clean slate -- a tabula rasa for the world where they, the meek?, inherit the earth.

capcom said...

What did they call the constellation, Theodorus Ursus or something like that? Now if they called it Theodorus Ursus Gigantus, then we could know that he was talking about the Big Dipper, and they are still somewhere that normal star charts could match up.

memphish said...

Do you think that the Others have told Jack what's really going on? I don't think so. Besides I don't think Jack would listen even if they tried to. He's all I know the answer even before you tell me (just like a certain husband I know). Why wouldn't he want to take the kids home? This really bugs me. If it were me in Jack's bargaining position, I wouldn't bargain for Juliet, I'd make a deal to take the kids back to their mom, even at my own expense.

dolenore said...

Well, I am beginning to believe the theory that nobody on the island will ever leave, because by now, nobody really wants to go back. The island has freed every one of them from their miserable lives.

Every one of them has a reason to stay on the island, and given enough time, they might even be invited to Otherville. It sure seemed like Jack was doing fairly well there.

memphish said...

Yeah, but what about the kids dolenore? And Frogurt? Where's Frogurt? I agree about the Losties we've come to know for the most part. But even Aaron. Would you want to raise a kid with no other kids ever?

ExperimentalFilm said...

woww, that star thing is pretty cool . i didnt know that we were missing something big from the pilot .

but would they really go so far as to change the stars in the sky ? cause if they didnt then .. all anyone would find is the coordinates for hawaii . and thats not quite a shocker

Andy said...

yeah capcom

i think bens group tried to get
walt to use his power for them but either he's to young to either control all his power or to specifically hone it to do what they want. ie appearing to shannon

john to them provides a better opportunity to meet their needs.

DeDJeZTeR said...

Memphish,
Didn't the mother die in "TO48"?

capcom said...

Oooo, Memphish, I like that! Nice intertwining of events there. Wow, what if The Box WAS able to over-reach it's boundries and sometimes made things happen outside the island for peeps who had strong psychic minds? That might also explain why some of the mediocre/fake psychics sometimes got lucky and hit the mark?

memphish said...

Ded, I don't think their mother was on the plane. I think she was waiting for them in LA. I'll go check and get back.

I can't wait for the new avatar.

ExperimentalFilm said...

they were meeting their mother in los angeles .. she wasnt on the plane

memphish said...

Ded, here's the relevant dialogue:

EMMA: Where's my mom?

ANA: I don't know.

EMMA: She's meeting us in Los Angeles.


Capcom, I like the tie in to the "psychics." Awesome. Maybe their power actually came from our Losties, not them.

memphish said...

How many times are we going to get Kate in handcuffs? 108?

memphish said...

Tom was helping Jack. Did you catch how he signalled to Jack that there were listening devices in the rec room which begs the question who is listening in. Ben? Jacob? Someone on or off the island? But then Jack doesn't just whisper in her ear the whole time which I totally would have done. Still don't get the whole Jack thing. Was he messed with? It didn't seem like it, but the kids are safe? That is driving me crazy.

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