Join hosts David A Dein and Steve "The Goog" Guglich as they unpack "Par Avion", Season 3, Episode 12 of the ABC Television Program "Lost." Venture if you dare into and episode that asks some really tough questions, and revel as David almost blows his top in defending his lovely bride. Also, enjoy as we finally get to meet the mysterious fact checker "Milo Stimoudous", what mysteries will he reveal, and try to figure out just how we got into discussing the musical works of Kenny Loggins. Join in on the fun by calling 732-564-4763 or by sending an e-mail or MP3 comment to TLCpodcast@gmail.com.
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Monday, March 19, 2007
The Lost Community Podcast - Episode 16
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First? I hope so. More later.
Go Bruins!
Ooooooh, second!
I hope everyone has been waiting for the new thread and that we'll have some discussion this morning. I'm stuck by the washer and dryer. Ah, post-vacation.
As for Par Avion. I've got a lot so I'm going to dole it out over the day.
1. When Charlie took Claire on a picnic I thought they were both going to die in the episode. The Psycho-esque music playing in some of their scenes (don't know if that same type of music repeats in The Birds) had me on edge all the way until the end.
2. Great discussion on Sayid, Locke and Kate being angry, weak and frightened. We know that Locke is definitely angry; Kate is often frightened, think back to her in the trees in The Pilot; people were having a hard time fitting Sayid into the equation. I think he is primarily weak. "One of Them" is the episode where Kelvin introduces him to torture. Sayid is easily manipulated into torturing his superior officer and despite his repeated avowals that he'll never do it again, we've seen Sayid give in to that over and over.
And Go Bruins! as Dennis said. They are my grad school alma mater. But we've got lots to pull for here in Memphis. We've got Memphis, my father-in-law's school; Tennessee, hubby's grad school alma mater; Vandy, just because; and UNC because I've always been a UNC basketball fan.
Good Morning Loco's
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Welcome back memphish-
Just got back to work from Spring Break and now it's time to catch up with the last thread.
Will comment once I have caught up.
I forgot how much I missed WV-
memphish said... And Go Bruins! as Dennis said. They are my grad school alma mater. But we've got lots to pull for here in Memphis. We've got Memphis, my father-in-law's school; Tennessee, hubby's grad school alma mater; Vandy, just because; and UNC because I've always been a UNC basketball fan.
Memphis, UT, and Vandy...that's a good showing for Tennessee - all three teams made the Sweet 16.
Eastern Kentucky was out in the first round, and both Kentucky and Louisville were out in the second round. At least Kentucky lasted longer that Duke. Eat it Coach K!
BTW, UCLA is my wife's alma mater. I went to Long Beach State, but we lost in the first round.
Go Bruins!
Ditto on GO BRUINS! That's my alma mater (but I'm not going to tell you guys when I graduated! LOL)
Morning LoCos! Glad the podcast is up, I'll have to get to that later.
I thought of some good questions to ask you guys last night right before bed, but can't remember what they were now! Ah well, maybe after I wake up a bit more- I'm not a morning person.
I have an idea about Locke and the looks exchanged with Patchy during the discussion about the list. People have said that there was a "knowing" look between Patchy and Locke. I wonder if maybe Locke found Jacob's list and realized that he was not on it. This would contradict Ben's little "I was coming for you John" story which further infuriates the always left out Locke leading to his hostility toward first Patchy and it appears per the preview toward Ben.
People also were talking about Patchy's "fleeting memory" of Locke and suggesting either that they had met before or that Patchy has Desmond-like flashes. I took that to be an indication that Patchy had files on the 815 survivors. That's how he knew all of their names and their flaws and to call the cat Nadia to get into Sayid's head. He was definitely going to say "paralyzed," but Danielle cut him off while Locke looked frightened and weak.
I can't wait to find out what is up with Danielle.
Another basketball note -- my 7-year-old owns me our bracket pool right now.
Great Podcast! Thanks guys for going with my thought that Christian could be Jacob! Christian alluded to Claire that there was other means for dealing with her mother instead of pulling the plug. Maybe he had some drug that induces a death-like state and he used it on himself to get Jack to come to the island. He does have those connections with at least 4 of our Losties...more can be coming. I like your interpretation of his name. TPTB have always said that we should pay attention to names, right?
David and Steve, Why do the TLC podcasts download so slowly in iTunes? Is there any way to speed it up? It's taking about 30 minutes to download for me.
Since no one is posting about LOST, I'll ask Maven and Dennis' wife, did you get your UCLA Alumni luggage tag? Mine was waiting in my mail for my return from Spring Break.
I haven't seen anything come from UCLA, but I doubt they have our address in KY.
Listening to the podcast right now...
Here is a screen shot of the crash scene. You can clearly see a damaged Chevy truck in the photo - and the driver's side front bumper is squished forward. It looks like Claire must have hit it on the front driver's side.
Go Bruins!
it looks like the car is in the parking lot, like it may have hit the poll. all the glass seems to be around her car only. Also if the accident was head on and the mom went out the front window wouldnt she have hit the car.
probably being way to critical...
dennis... thanks for the screen shot. In looking at it, it appears they are in a parking lot, not in a street. I guess I missed that in the show, I just assumed it happened on a street.
If you look at the second screen shot, it actually looks like they are in a gas station parking lot.
Go Bruins!
dennis... didn't catch the gas station looking sign at first.
Ryan at The Transmission on the wreck site:
Claire’s accident was at the Chevron gas station near Kahala Mall (corner of 21st Avenue and Waialae Ave.). You can see the viaduct overhead (the east end of H-1). They reversed the film to get right-hand drive.
Here's a crazy theory about Claire's parents.
Claire was lied to about her father being dead. He had "visited her many times as a baby but stopped visiting because, according to him, Lindsey hated him, and Carole couldn't cope with him having another family."
This is kind of soap opera-ish, but what if Carole wasn't really Claire's mother, but it was "Aunt" Lindsey instead. Lindsey couldn't handle being the mother, so Carole raised the baby. This situation would make it very awkward for Christian to visit his daughter, and would explain why Lindsey is so hostile towards Christian.
dennis, dont think thats crazy at all. Always thought it was a different kind of tension in the hospital room with the aunt and christian,
It could have been that Lindsey saw him first, but Carole got him. That's a pretty soap opera kind of thing too. More likely it's just that your sister is wasting her life pining over some guy who's 6000 miles away and has another family who he's never going to leave. That creates grumpy sisters as well.
The bigger question to me is what does it matter that Jack and Claire are related? And are they and how are they going to find out? I hope it's not just some lame 6 degrees thing that never pays off.
Still listening...
I don't think that John Locke is "the villain". Locke would not kill one of his own people (i.e. Kate) the way Michael did (although, Ana Lucia was a Tailie, and had killed Shannon). Locke mourned Boone's death because he was part of the "family".
The difference here is that Locke killed Mikhail who was an Other. An Other that held a knife to his throat, and asked to be killed.
Mikhail says the fence doesn't work? Let's just see about that... ooops, I guess he was lying.
memphish - great run for your march madness teams.
Mikhail had a chance to kill sayed but only gave him a flesh wound - which he later healed.
could have poisened the tea he gave sayed and kate and could have cut lockes throat with the knife.
it is still bothering me that mikhail wanted to die for no real apparant reason other than to add more questions
What kind of person do you think Mikhail is? ;)
Mikhail didn't kill Sayid, Kate, or John because he's "not that kind of person"...
From Stranger in a Strange Land:
JACK: You just helped me save his life. If you're going to kill me, at least show me the respect of not calling it "moving."
TOM: Now, why would we kill you?
JACK: Because you're done with me.
TOM: What kind of people do you think we are, Jack?
Agree Dennis. For some reason the Others don't seem to want to out and out kill our Losties with the big exceptions being Charlie hanging in the tree, broken bone Scott and broken neck Nathan. And of course, Pickett was bound and determined to take out Sawyer. But I still don't understand the distinctions they are making.
by the way who did hang charlie in the tree.
could this be another example of charlie cheating death? even without a desmond vision
personally i think mikhail was a misunderstood man who liked chess and womans gymnastics and fell in love with a woman from the wrong side of the dharma tracks.(klugh) that forbidden love eventually cost him his life and one eye.
Hey, everyone - been listening to the podcast, and wanted to throw in my two cents on this discussion. :)
I think the Others see themselves as not the type of people to murder others for no reason. Tom and his crew threatened the Losties in the jungle, but never actually hurt them.
I'd be interested to see what they thought of Ethan after his little killing spree. Maybe Ethan was so obessesed with Claire that he went off the grid. Danny seemed to be the same way - he ws ignoring the rules because he had a vendetta against Sawyer.
bigdog - Ethan hung Charlie so Jack and Kate would quit following him.
Charlie living fits into my theory that it's not Desmond's destiny to save Charlie, but Charlie's destiny to be saved that is guiding things.
Save the Rock Star, save the world! :)
Melissa_Lossa said... Maybe Ethan was so obessesed with Claire that he went off the grid. Danny seemed to be the same way - he ws ignoring the rules because he had a vendetta against Sawyer.
Same thing with Juliet... she went off the grid and broke the "rules" by killing Pickett. That's why she was sentenced to death.
More notes from the podcast
Why all the security?
Originally to protect the Dharma Initiative from the hostiles, and now the Others from the Losties.
How did Desmond catch the bird?
Maybe Desmond foresaw the death of the bird, and he went to save it's life :)
good point, dennis - Juliet is the only one where we got to see the consequences of breaking the rules. Perhaps if the Others are so disgusted by the idea of murder, that could explain why the punishment is so swift and severe.
but tom did blow up the boat with michael, sawyer and jin when they took walt.
Yeah, but he didn't directly kill anyone - maybe he already knew that the island would drag them all back. The Others fired a shot, but they only hit Sawyer in the shoulder, so I don't think they were shooting to kill. Same with Patchy and Sayid - the shot was a rather agressive warning, not a kill shot.
memphish said...
"ThinBlueMine, I don't know if you're still working on your Temple Mount Theory, but I like the tie-in with Eko and Josiah."
Yes, as I see evidence that points that direction, I will add it to the work in progress.
"I also wanted to ask you if it is worth listening to Cuse and Lindeloff on The Treatment?"
I am a little behind, trying to catch up on posts, but I listen and read EVERYTHING by the Lozt Boyz, so I would say yes, The Treatment podcast(s) are worth a listen.
BTW, Welcome Back!!
Thanks for the welcome TBM.
I'm not buying that Tom and crew didn't think Sawyer, Michael and Jin would die when they blew up an already flimsy raft in Dharma shark infested waters with Sawyer bleeding. That is what we would call in law Depraved Heart Murder. Yeah, you didn't actually kill them, but you set up the circumstances that made it highly likely.
Kevin Costner movies...
What about "The Untouchables"? That was a great movie. I also liked "Tin Cup".
AI
I agree about American I-Dull. uggghh.
Par Avion
Par Avion is what they put on internation Air Mail. They were sending a message attached to the bird on an international flight. :)
See Memphish's avatar.
HUGE SPOILER in the PODCAST
Starting at 1:06:00 to 1:07:12
Arrgghhh. Why aren't you guys putting the length of the spoilers any more, so people can skip them?
Dennis said...
Par Avion
This was covered here in the comments...
Par Avion is what they put on Air Mail. See Memphish's avatar.
You beat me to this one. Par Avion just means "by air,"
and is used by French speakers for air mail. IMO it is a reference to the message attached to the bird.
Milo Stimoudous will be busy this week. In the Bible, Aaron never entered the Promised Land. He died in the desert, before his brother Moses. The leaders at the time the people crossed the Jordan were Joshua and Aaron's son Elazar.
I'm listening to the podcast. Thanks for all the hard work David and Steve. But David, I hope you aren't watching the episodes too hard and ruining your own enjoyment of the show. I've really enjoyed the last 2 episodes of LOST, and I don't get the feeling that you have.
I like what you guys had to say about weak, angry and frightened. Good point that those on the ins with Ben's Others have those traits.
Well, like the Goog said, it depends on what the definitions of those things mean.
Remember, Mikhail was "talking down" to the Losties - "I will try to make this as simple as I can"
Angry, Weak, Frightened are the "simple" explanations that he used as a slam on them in particular. I think there is probably a higher bar set if you want to be a "magnificent" other.
Things that might disqualify you: killing your step-father, torturing people, pushing someone into a sonic weapon fence...
Speaking of Hostiles, here is an interesting quote from Live Together, Die Alone
[Inman walks over to Desmond and points to a spot on the ceiling.]
INMAN: See that brown stain, there? That's Radzinsky. He put a shotgun in his mouth when I was asleep. The bitch of it was, I only had a 108 minutes to bury the poor bastard.
DESMOND: Well, if you don't want me to go crazy, next time let me go out.
INMAN: Well, you want to go out there with the quarantine and the hostiles?
An idea about Christian and Claire and Carole. It seems to me that the real relationship is between Christian and Carole. That is the relationship Christian is invested in, not his relationship with Claire nor for that matter with Jack or Jack's mother. So his concern and the reason he raises ending things for Carole with Claire is that he wants Carole to have a life worth living. As the wife of a doctor I know that he wouldn't want and probably wouldn't want for me (and I wouldn't either) a life on machines in a coma. But Claire as next of kin is the only one who can end that type of life so he's forced to raise the issue with her. In fact, maybe that's the reason he's looking for Claire in Two for the Road, that he's still concerned that Carole is living in this vegetative state.
I do not think it is in any way out of character for Christian Shephard to put his needs and concerns ahead of his childrens'.
About the bird and the handling of the bird. The bird Desmond caught and Claire handled was already tagged. It had already been handled. Maybe that's why it didn't mind being handled.
After spending the last week at the beach, I know seagulls certainly don't flee unless you run at them pretty hard. They are scavengars that let you get very close to them, especially if you might possibly have food.
Love your avi, Dennis! GO BRUINS!
Also, a great find, Dennis, re the use of the word "hostile" by Kelvin! I'm beginning to think the hostiles aren't Ben and his group of Others. If they had set up the security parameter around Otherville, they obviously wanted to keep something out. Conversely, it wasn't constructed to keep themselves in (they do make the trip to the Hydra Station). And even though if the use of "we're the good guys" seems kind of creepy sometimes, I think they just might be. There just might be a group of hostiles who really were on the island a long time (even going back to 4-toed statue days). Remembering when Tom (aka Mr. Friendly) warned Jack not to cross the line...the island really might be divided up and when the various groups "cross the line" things begin to happen.
Great point on the podcast about Locke delaying the fuse. After Par Avion I might suspect that to be the case except for Locke's "I was wrong" look at the end of Enter 77. Of course, maybe TOQ didn't know how crafty Locke was either.
Great podcast as usual guys!
Maven- I agree with you, I think that "the Hostiles" are actually another faction of Others, not Ben's group. And if this is the case, makes me wonder if ole Smokey is the "security system" for the Hostiles, and the sonic fence is the security system for Ben's group. I am holding onto my theory that some group of Others may be descendants of Magnus Hanso- no real evidence for this, but it would be a good way for TPTB to tie in the Magnus facts we had in TLE.
As far as Locke goes- I don't think that it is so far fetched or out of his character to have killed Mikhail. I think Locke is asserting himself for the first time in his life, he has "interacted" with the island more than anyone else, and has probably been deceived by the island and the Others more than anyone else (except maybe Jack)- and I think he's just manifesting his frustration. I think he wants to get to the bottom of things and is taking things into his own hands. I also think that the conflict between him and Sayid is (like someone said in the previous thread) another manifestation of man of science vs. man of faith. All this to say, I don't think it was weird or out of character or indicating that Locke had killed before (although that would not surprise me), I just think he is a man on a mission. Personally, I think I would've pushed Patchy into the fence to see if he was lying too.
Also, re: Christian and his involvement with Claire's mom- I don't think it's that unusual that he had friends in the hospital at Sydney who notified him when Claire's mom was in the accident. He could have easily met other docs while in Sydney. But the clincher is...was there a specific reason he was in Sydney? I mean, was he just vacationing there when he met Claire's mom or, like passafist said, was he doing some sort of Dharma experiments in Sydney?
Another thing about Christian Shepherd- I don't think that his advice to Claire was that suspicious. I used to be an ICU nurse and most people I've come in contact with would not want their life sustained the way Claire's mom was. Granted, he hadn't been in touch with Claire for a while, but this is a woman he supposedly "loved" and had a child with, so I just don't find him showing up and suggesting Claire let her mom go as suspicious. What I do find suspicious is the fact that he did have some sort of solution that would not indicate her criminally, that I think is very curious.
Hey guys,
Just heard your podcast today. One thing when you said, you don't know why they used the title "Par Avion" when there wasn't a plane in the episode. Well, it means "By Air" and I think they were talking about the birds not a plane.
Like your show allot!!!
Lost Girl
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maven said...I'm beginning to think the hostiles aren't Ben and his group of Others. If they had set up the security parameter around Otherville, they obviously wanted to keep something out.
I still think that Ben and the others were the Hostiles, but the Hostiles have won against Dharma. Dharma obviously had the money and technology to set up the hatches and security fence to keep out the Others, but as demonstrated by Kate, Sayid, et al, the fence is easily defeated.
Hey guys
Just want to say that I have always thought that the hostiles were a different group of "others" than Ben's group since Maternity Leave and Kate found the costumes. I think that Ben's group dressed as hostiles to blend in with the actual hostiles to protect themselves from them while they try to decide what to do about the Losties. I think the group that Jin and Eko hid from in ...and found were the hostiles and not Ben's group.
The only problem I have with my own theory is where to fit Ben in. If you can believe that he has been on the island all his life it could mean that he is a hostile because I feel Ben and the hostiles are the group who have been on the island for a very long time. But if Ben isn't a hostile and belongs with the group he is with now how could he have been on the island his whole life? Unless he didn't mean it in the since that he was born there. Like I said I can't figure out where Ben belongs. But I think the hostiles are the group Dharma tried to purge and that they're the one's that have been on the island for a very long time. Ok if any of that made since I'm done rambling now.
Maybe Christian Shephard really was alive and drugged to look dead (like Juliet in R&J not LOST) and that's why he's wearing white sneakers with his suit in the casket knowing like Jack that he'd need "better shoes" for when he woke up on the Island. Or did he collect shoes from the trees like the white sneaker Jack ran past in The Pilot?
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Hey Locos. TV Guide has an interview with Terry O'Quinn about his upcoming backstory in tomorrow's episode:
Terry O'Quinn Teases a "Spectacular" Lost Reveal!
Do we think that Patchy didn't run into the fence on his own because he had mores against suicide, that would not have applied had he shot himself on Ms. Klugh's orders or if he was assisted by Locke shoving him into the fence? It just dawned on me that the facilitation of Patchy's death which he wanted sort of paralells the backstory of Claire's mom and her life support predicament.
ib4uc said...
Hey Locos. TV Guide has an interview with Terry O'Quinn about his upcoming backstory...
AAARRRGGHH! Now I have a recurring image in my mind of John Locke singing "Back in Ohio" while entering numbers on a computer and blowing things up!
ThinBlueMine recommended a Lindeloff/Cuse interview done a couple of weeks ago by KCRW. I agree with TBM that if you, like me, like your Cuseloff fixes, you should check it out. It's less than 30 minutes and doesn't have any specific episode detail spoilers, but there are a couple of interesting things that will be coming up in the future. You can find it here, or you can search for The Treatment at the iTunes store and download it from there.
Wow- we obviously need a new episode to revive the discussion around here. Ah well, thank goodness tomorrow is Wednesday.
Hey, Scoutpost! Yeah...we seemed to have settled into a rut. Wednesday night, Thursday and most of Friday are the big comment days (obviously!). Friday night, Saturday and Sunday are pretty much dead (do we actually have a life on the weekends?). Monday picks up a little with the Podcast released. Tuesday is a day of rest!
Hey scoutpost & maven... All this talk about Christian being "him/Jacob" has got me thinking. Remember when Jack busted in on Christian's AA Meeting? What if it really was a meeting of the others, maybe a recruitment session? Wouldn't it be wild if some of those AA people showed up in Otherville?
Oh, and hey to any other Loco out there...
Welcome back memphish.
Interesting comment about the sneakers on Jack's Dad.(Maybe he'd heard about the weekend football fun on Lost Island).
Thanks for the welcome back Takes a Village. Hey ib4uc, Scoutpost and Maven as well. Hey lurkers too.
I'm not much for the Chritian is HIM, Christian is Jacob, Christian is alive theories, but I thought I'd throw some fuel on the fire. TPTB mentioned the sneakers on Jack's Dad in the Season 1 DVD commentaries. Doesn't mean it means anything, but hey, it's Tuesday and there's not much to talk about.
Go Bruins! Go Tigers! Go Vols! Go Dores! Go Tarheels! I think that covers all my bases.
Let's go Mets!
And that's as far as I go in sports!
Just popping in to say hey, and now I'll go get caught up.
C'ya later!
Hey Bruins! Looks like Jack Shephard is a Bruin too. See the bottom diploma.
Checking on Lostpedia: Jack did indeed graduate from UCLA Medical School! He is a Bruin! Yea!
WooHoo!
Let's see...
• Jack went to UCLA
• The Bruins are in the Sweet 16!
• Next they will be in the Elite 8
• And then the Final 4
Coincidence? Or Fate!
GO BRUINS!
I know this was said somewhere before but it bears a little time again.
Mitteloss can't have been founded by TWM because he was in control of Hanso during TLE which was 2 years after these events.
Luckyguy,
I have always been keen on the idea that Walt did that on his own, which is why Klugh asked Michael if Walt had ever apeared somewhere he shouldn't have been - "3 Minutes"
Happy LOST Day!
There is a new Official Podcast up at ABC.com and in iTunes. Damon and Carelton finally return.
And there is new Doc Jensen which I am not going to read in order to avoid the fate of experimentalfilm.
Dedjezter, I agree about Walt's wet backward appearances as well, but refresh my memory, when did Alvar disappear? Juliet was recruited in 2001, right.
Spoiler Warning -- if you trying to stay pure in your spoiler avoidance, avoid the Official Podcast. It includes revelations of certain things we can expect to see in future episodes and not just tonight's episode.
It also clarifies that Locke isn't as stupid as we thought while watching Enter 77, and that those of you who remembered about Locke hitting Sayid over the head with the transceiver were on track in remembering that. I think those were the big confirmations.
Happy Lost Day!
I can't help but listen to the Official Podcast - spoilers or not. I saw a preview last night that had relationship stuff in it and I can't wait for tonight! :))
Happy Lost Day fellow Locos. Man, I pulled an experimentalfilm and read a spoiler. I just couldn't help myself. Just makes me look forward to tonight's episode all the more!
There is alot of information in the official podcast that I think it should be required listening. lol. It is ashame that spoilers are included and I know that there are quite a few people who don't want even a slight hint of what is to come, because there is alot of enlightening information in these.
Hello, losties!
Man, you guys are a bad influence. :) I'm supposed to be working, but all I want to do is listen to podcasts and read Doc Jensen!
Good news on the ratings front. LOST finally broke into the top 20 for the whole week. Lost ended up tied for 14th.
I'm not sure what this says about me, but the only other show I watch that is in the top 20 is The Amazing Race... and I watch a lot of TV. hmmmmm.
1 - american idol-tuesday
2 - american idol-wednesday
3 - grey's anatomy-thu 9pm
4 - deal or no deal-mon
5 - cold case
6 - october road
7 - csi: miami
8 - 60 minutes
9 - without a trace
10 - til death
11 - two and a half men
12 - ncis
12 - 24
14 - LOST
14 - smarter than 5th grader
14 - ugly betty
17 - amazing race 11
17 - rules of engagement
19 - deal or no deal-sun
20 - criminal minds
Don't feel bad Dennis
The only one's I have watched and don't hate me is American Idol because it's something I share with my nine year old daughter and I've seen a couple of Are you smarter than a fifth grade cause it came on after Idol and my daughter being a 4th grader wanted me to watch it with her.
Here is the exact quote mentioned in the podcast:
GALE: None of this matters. I'm dead anyway. The doctor's gone to make a trade and we both know he'll come back empty-handed and then I've lost my value. So either Jack comes back here and kills me or my people find out where I'm being held and they do it.
LOCKE: Why would your own people want to kill you?
GALE: Because the man in charge -- he's a great man, John, a brilliant man -- but he's not a forgiving man. He'll kill me because I failed, John. I failed my mission.
BTW, here is the Quote from Mikhail:
MIKHAIL: The man who brought me here, who brought all of my people here, he is a magnificent man.
The ABC podcast confirms that Mikhail is telling the truth except for he is a 'HOSTILE'.
SO...
Dharma attacked the Others/Hostiles. Kelvin called them the 'Hostiles' so he must have been Dharma? He answered the same advertisement as Mikhail did.
WHO IS WHO?
Memphish,
The last reported sighting of Alvar was indeed 2001. Although the pic of him was dated 2003. The point I was making though is that the guy in the podcast said that Mittlewerk could have started Mittelos after he left Hanso but that didn't happen for a long time after the Mittelos was already formed and recruiting. The big problem is in the idea that Mittelos is just a cover story for what and who they are actually recruiting for... i.e. Dharma or still Hanso. But as for TWM, I don't think there can be a connection there, unless TWM was reffering to this final attempt by himself to reinitiate the Dharma Initiative and that is what he meant when he said it fail...
Simply, He takes over HAnso and Banishes Alvar to house arrest (sort of) and starts up Dharrma again (recruiting Juliet and Ethan and whoever else) but it fails again and then he goes for the whole drugs in your Sprite and Apollo food things to off 1/3 of the worlds population. Of course we all know where that went and Why. (GO RACHEL...LOL)
Oh and happy LOST day, for those of you who don't mind spoilers, check out themisfitishere.blogspot.com for a small tease of behind the scenes still shots from this episode... They are very spoilerish so be careful.
And yes I know his sight is a joke and a sham, but he does get some great real pics every now and then.
He is a tool but a useful one... lol
Locke's Grand Explosion Tour 04!
Okay, just listened to the official podcast, and in the last five minutes, they confirmed one of my theories. Yea! Okay, off to work. :)
dedjezter... regarding themisfitishere.blogspot.com, I hardly ever believe anything on there. Everything seems to be so far-fetched, and he sees things that aren't really there. I haven't visited that site for a long time -- I might just have to check it out -- I could use a good laugh today :)
Ded, I was thinking that TWM set up Mittelos while he was still working for Hanso. His own little private lab, just like the one Juliet mentioned having in Not in Portland. That's my wacky theory. Then he saw weakness in AH and moved him out as well. Just crazy ideas I'm throwing out there.
Trusting Patchy and Cuseloff I'd guess though that the Hostiles are running Mittelos.
Someone mentioned that a board member at Hanso was named Jacob. Maybe he's our Jacob and named Mittelos Mittelos so we would suspect TWM, but it's really Jacob's company.
I want to post my why Locke is in a wheelchair guess, but I'm afraid that's one of the spoilers out there and that my guess is so wrong it will have the spoiled among us laughing their a*&^s off.
But here goes. I think Locke's injury is psychosymatic (sp?), i.e. that it's in his head. I further think that he and his father were in an accident which killed his father and which Locke caused and in his guilt Locke is atoning for this by not walking. When he landed on the island he could walk because he could always walk, but Locke attributes it to the Island. Ben will tell Locke that the Island did nothing, it was all on Locke's head, and Locke will need the wheelchair again because again he can't cope with that knowledge.
HEy memphish
I also toyed with the idea we may find out needing the wheelchair was all in Locke's head but then I thought they would never give us answer that simple. Who knows? I guess we'll find out tonight.
Gee, I hope Locke doesn't end up needing a wheelchair. Imagine using a 'chair in all that sand on the beach! Not good.
Happy LOST day, everyone!
And happy 1st Day of Spring! Let the yardwork begin...
Happy Lost day to all.
Amen to that amuse2bhere. I love spring and flower gardening can't wait to start digging in the dirt. I already have some plants started in my greenhouse.
Happy Lost Day, everybody!!1 And, Happy 1st day of Spring!
Speaking of yardwork, how do you get a puppy from digging up your yard!?!
oh, and a belated welcome back, memphis! I have enjoyed (and agree with you) on your takes on Claire/Christian/Claire's mom. But I'm not so sure I agree with you about Locke and his wheelchair.
ABC.com has a new video player for watching episodes online. It now supports Full-Screen and a mini-player. Very Cool.
Thanks Codysmom. I'm not sure I agree either, but I like the idea and want it out there in case I'm right (which I never am). Locke's ticking me off lately and in a way I want him to be this big putz who lets his mind rule over matter. To me he's back to being creepy orange smiling, I've got a secret, knife throwing guy. Maybe our first impressions of all these people are indeed the right ones.
Memphish,
Okay I see what you were getting at. That sounds like a plausible statement to me. I have always had this theory about Locke.
After all is said and done with his father he finally gets up the nerve to face him again and finds him. He confronts his father and Cooper pulls a gun on Locke. They struggle and the gun goes off... Cooper is dead. Locke not knowing what to do, starts to run. While running (because he is weak and frightened) he begins to cry and get PO'd like he did in the car in his flashback. He swerves uncontrollably and jumps the median divider of the road he is on, crashing head on into two cars. One carrying Mr. Rutherford and the other one carrying Sarah (Jacks future wife), he is rushed to a different hospital where he learns he will not walk again, just like what happened to Sarah, but she had Jack to fix her.
Just my 2 cents and a long shot...7 1/2 hours until I know if I am wrong or not... but I probably am... LOL
Here's a more basic question - do we think they'll actually go to Tallahassee or will someone just be from Tallahassee and will STDs be involved like in Sawyer's trip to Tallahassee? I've got a picture of the Tallahassee Health Department in reserve, just in case.
I meant that the TWM thing was plausible... not the Locke thing.
But that could be right as well... lol
Good morning LoCo's- (it's still morning here)
Happy LOST day!!
Going to catch up on comments...BBL
Fun to read your theories on Lock, Ded & Memphish. I haven't come up with one yet, but "being creepy orange smiling" Locke, LOL! That creeped me out, too!
The only other show on that list that I watch is 24 and I have found this season pretty disappointing. oh well...
deal or no deal from Monday is number 4... Really? I think that is crazy.
no more crazy than Lost being tied with smarter than a 5th grader-LOL
codysmom said:
no more crazy than Lost being
tied with smartr than a 5th
grader-LOL
I know I couldn't believe that when I seen it. But you know alot of people watch something when it's new out of curiosity. I'm sure it won't stay there.
As far as your digging puppy that's a hard one. Some breeds just dig. You can try sprinkling black pepper where he or she digs it may get up her/his nose and stop him/her. But unfortunately your puppy may find a different place to dig.
Thanks for the pepper trick for my digging Bichon (see avatar-his name is HURLEY). It can't be the breed, because I had a Bichon before (Cody, hence codysmom) and he never was a digger. I keep putting up this cheap low fencing from Home Depot to keep him away from his favorite spots, but he just finds another favorite spot. LOL
Codysmom
You're welcome
If that don't work. You can try garlic juice (if you can stand the smell) or vinegar. Anything with a strong odor.
Oh and Hurley is very cute.
dennis said...
I'm not sure what this says about me, but the only other show I watch that is in the top 20 is The Amazing Race... and I watch a lot of TV. hmmmmm.
Considering the other shows that made the top 20, I'd say you have good taste in TV.
amused2bhere said...
Gee, I hope Locke doesn't end up needing a wheelchair. Imagine using a 'chair in all that sand on the beach! Not good.
No kidding! If that's the case, he better make a deal to stay in Otherville where they have sidewalks (and probably ramps).
memphish said...
Locke's ticking me off lately and in a way I want him to be this big putz who lets his mind rule over matter.
Oh memphish you're such a Jack fan! LOL I think the problem is that Locke is not a putz, but is acting like one to throw everybody off. (and tick everybody off)
Great theories everybody. I try so hard to stay away from spoilers, but you guys make them so tempting. I think I'm going to go listen to the Official Podcast. Can't wait until tonite!
I hope these answers we get are as big as the anticipation we're feeling.
Anyone hear when more IN GAME will start back up?
Thanks, sayid'sgirl. I may give those things a try. Think the neighbors would complain about the weird smell in my backyard?:) And yes, he's cute (when he's asleep!)
Keesh,
What do you mean by MORE IN GAME???
amused2bhere said... Gee, I hope Locke doesn't end up needing a wheelchair. Imagine using a chair in all that sand on the beach! Not good.
I don't know why but this struck my funny bone something fierce. I'm still giggling about it.
Wow, I have been on vacay away from the computer for a few days, and the posts are great! Lots of great twisty theories from everyone. Ya have to feel sorry for TPTB the way we get to work out and talk about the show so much that TPTB have to really be clever to surprise us!
I want it on record right now, that when Kate asks Jack why he was playing ball with Uncle Tommy as if they were best friends, he will say, "It's complicated Kate!", and Ms.Capcom will have an aneurism on the spot!
OK, so if TPTB said that Locke is not as stupid as he seems, does that mean that the "happy-as-a-pig-in-poop" look on his face at the Flame computer was really a "oh-man-I-can't-believe-that-I-can-blow-another-station-up" look? OK, I'll buy that. :o) That was almost a girly-giggle that he did there and it totally creeped me out. :-p
Re: "He's a tool, but a useful one", I'm stealing that line too. You all split my sides every day!!
Happy New Ep Everyone!
These last few posts have me laughing like crazy. I especially like Capcom's "It's complicated Kate." Capcom, will you be foaming at the mouth and have blood spurting from your ears like in Ded's avatar?
And Scoutpost, yeah I guess my Jack fan girl-ness is showing. He's a Bruin after all!
Roger that, Memphish! :o) But I won't be saying "Thank you", like Patchy did!
Ditto on you being back too! :-)
I have to say that Terry O'Quinn is a great actor to be able to elicit such emotional P.O.'d-ness in us after the Flame episode, in both directions (pro and con Locke). But I always liked him ever since he has been on JAG and other shows playing hard-*ssed military officers....very sexy dude. Can't wait till tonight!!!!!!
I like TOQ, but I hated his character on Alias. He was always so awful to Sydney.
You guys crack me up. After one CRAPPY day at work, I am ready to go home, curl up on the couch and wait for Lost. See you all then!
btw, Passafist, if you're listening, Just because I used the term "generally speaking" in my comment doesn't mean I am connected to the Generally Speaking Lost Podcast. I had to LOL when I heard that!
Thanks for reading my comment on the podcast. It made my day.
And congrats on the new addition to the Penuel household, Admin. Let us know boy or girl, so we can plan our gifts accordingly!
Maven, I'm thinking of a quilt...
Happy Lostday everyone.(When are TPTB going to make it an official day of the week?)
Dennis,that new ABC episode player is sweet!
I remember Locke saying in a flashback; that Mousetrap was his favorite game growing up.I can visualize that little cage falling down on the mouse,and can't help but wonder if the Other's haven't finally gotten Locke into their mousetrap.
A shout out to Dark Angel and Chuckles3.
Village, no one better make a "Lost Day" official, until "Landing On The Moon Day" (July 20) becomes an official holiday! :o) Just my little pet-peeve.
I'm still waiting for that one. Good thing I haven't been holding my breath. :-p
BTW, like your avi, it looks like one of those old postcards or pillows!
HEY everyone i havnt been around for awhile but i was lookin on lost pedia and i saw this thing called The Hugo Cup and its a contest for the best lost website so i submitted TLC so if u want ur favorite site to win go vote for it! http://www.execute.tv/
woops sorry its this http://www.execute.tv/page/1/category/HugoCup
hello everyone
i just finished reading everyones posting from last weeks show - spring break work trip to Pascagoula, MS.
here is a question: if there had been a hostile take over of the dharma people why are there still dharma food drops? are they somehow fooling the people at the main office? look at the time line i'm thinking of. our losties are somewhere in 2004, the TLE happened this past summer 2006. TWM said that the dharma experiment was a failure( so was that a resent revelation to the Hanso F and TWM or was it known for sometime?)
if we were clear on this i think it would help us identify or speculate on who the others call their great magnificent leader.
Jacob the beloved leader, to me, is the last hanso darma guy(or member of a small group of dharma peps). dharma being like most big corp ventures ignored the local domestic population and Jacob(w/ or w/out peps) didn't think it was right, sided with the locals and led them in getting dharma people of the island. he knows the workings of the island and kept the main land people in the dark of his total control -all the while bringing in his own people to do his bidding. people like Kelvin to enter the numbers(thats why he is waiting ever so impatiently to have a replacement) and Micheal to operate the communications keeping up the appearances to keep food coming and bring new people in like Juliet to help the original inhabitors recover from the dharma experiments.
hey mr and mrs admin - congrats!
looking forward tonight - happy lost day to all and to all a great lost night!
Andy,
The food drops may have kept coming because the numbers were still being entered in at the Swan station, or because Patchy was manually ordering them at the Flame station.
Now that both the Swan and the Flame stations have been blown up by Locke, maybe the food drops will stop.
BTW, If you haven't listened to today's official Lost podcast, it may clear some things up.
Good thoughts on the food drops. I sure hope that Otherville has some kind of agricultural system where they can grow food, if the drops stop. Perhaps that's what they were doing with the rock breaking and moving. Something like, "Rats, now since the sky turned purple, there will be no more food drops and we have to grow our own food now, so start clearing the land!". Maybe that's also why it seemed like a rush job and that they were so crabby about it?
yeah for me it keeps going back to the food drops
if my company was driven off an island that i put a lot of money and effort into i don't think that i would continue feeding them. maybe its just me.
and i think that kelvin was forgotten about because it was maybe one project that jacob didn't know about or thought abandoned during the purge. he could have been recruited by now gone dharma peps due to rising hostilities and kept secret. i mean while the numbers kept going in no one knew of any problems, dish worked - beckon worken - life was smooth in otherville.
post more hopefully tonight after an awesome show
later!
Just got online everyone! Gosh, you've been very busy! LOL Trying to catch-up and chech out all the links! Tonite's epi seems awesome! BBL
The food drops -- I think as long as someone in the Flame entered the food drop code they would get food drops, and don't forget that Alvar himself told us the food drops would occur in perpetuity which means forever and ever, amen. We've also seen two different supply labels, the Swan and the generic Dharma labels. Maybe the code gets you generic Dharma food dropped near the Flame and the Swan drops are on a schedule. Remember when Hurley inventoried the food he told Jack there would be enough for 2 guys for 3 months (or something like that), but that 40 people would run through it much faster.
Capcom, your suggestion that the rock busting project on the Hydra is the beginning of a farm is the best suggestion for that I've seen to date. I would assume the Hostiles have some farming knowledge since Ben, age 40+ has lived there his whole life which I believe is longer than Dharma has been there.
Hope to see most of you around later tonight. I'll be checking in on the new thread pre-show, and probably during the commericials, and definitely afterward. I didn't get my nap though. Drats!
FYI: Just got off the phone with a friend just back from Honolulu! At dinner one night they set right next to Dominic and Evangeline (in a long blond wig) and her parents! Tried to get a pic, but he kept ducking. Then later (after Dom and Evi left), in walks Sun (Yoon-jin) with a guy. WOW
Maven! That is awesome. I have some friends visiting Hawaii in a few weeks and I'm going to try to scout some of the shooting locations and send them on a hunt for cast members!
New thread!
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