Wednesday, November 08, 2006

I DO - SEASON 3, EPISODE 6








It's never a good sign for the survivors when it starts raining, is it? Tonight, Jack makes a decision regarding Ben's offer, Kate feels helpless when it looks like an angry Pickett is going to make good on his threat to kill Sawyer, and Locke discovers a hidden message that may guide him through the next steps of his journey to unlocking the secrets of the island.

Check out the ABC Promo HERE and get some ideas about how to prepare for your viewing of tonight's episode by clicking HERE.

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sean said...

first?

LuckyGuyLikeMe said...

2!

LuckyGuyLikeMe said...

Wow I am extremely excited for tonight's episode! I have a feeling that when the producers say that these first 6 episodes are a mini-season of sorts and that in the next segment of episodes our focus will be back on the beach, I think that at least 1 of the 3 captured people, if not all 3 of them, will be freed by The Others and allowed to go back. As we see, something different may happen to Jack, but something along these lines anyway.

JGZ350 said...

Top 5!

Enjoy the episode tonight, I hope we are not disappointed.

Dennis said...

Top 5!

ib4uc said...

Just looked at the promo -- ooooh, I can't wait!

scoutpost said...

woot!! top ten! Dennis- you haven't rescued poor Charlotte yet?!
Can't wait- only 3 more hours here! (west coast you know)

maven said...

Top Ten! Can't wait for tonight. We have to savor every moment and make it last 13 weeks! LOL

Cam794 said...

TOP TEN w00t!!!! cant wait!!!!!!!! 2 hours!!!!!!

Cam794 said...

on the picture onm the main page it loosks like Kate is tryin to take a s%#@ lol.

also dennis LOL nice pic! :)

Pwyll said...

...And once again I get to see it before americans! =D

Totengraber said...

Hey all y'all,

Happy Lost Day!

No CAM, don't you know, chicks don't do that!

Dig Y'all Later

Crossfade said...

Good evening and Lost Day LoCo! Everyone ready for tonight?

LifeObstacle said...

Happy LOST day! I have been working my booty off, and I'm ready to go home, eat, watch LOST, and go to bed. Then I will be content (until I remember how long it is for the next new episode).

BarbaraJay said...

45 minutes, then a hour later, it's gone, gone, gone.

::sigh::

Crossfade said...

Thirty mins. BTW, its kinda empty in here. Wierd for a Wednesday.

Crossfade said...

Sorry, weird. Whew, Kindygarden mess-up there guys.

maven said...

I'm chiming in with HAPPY LOST DAY!

Hope some of you are around after westcoast feed! See ya later! Let's all enjoy the episode...we have to make it last 13 weeks! LOL

Crossfade said...

Hey Mave! Have fun waiting for the show! I feel for you westcoasters.

CattyGirl said...

Almost time! Woot!

Time to get the island snacks together. hehehe

Crossfade said...

I also hope this is a GREAT episode. And maybe its not too terribly big of a cliffhanger...

Cam794 said...

15 mins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cam794 said...

10 mins!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cam794 said...

5 mins!!!!!!!! ill see you all l8ter!!!!!!!!!!!

Pwyll said...

Spoiler-ish









It's a HUGE cliffhanger











End of spoiler-ish

Cam794 said...

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CANT WAIT 13 WEEKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crossfade said...

I guess ABC has everyone at their mercy for the next 13 weeks with sneak peeks.

Cam794 said...

DAM IT!!!!!!!!!! thats not a mini-spoiler THATS HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAM IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!wat happens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crossfade said...

I wish sooo bad that there would have been a mini-lost experience while we waited!

Midnightstrider said...

Now we have to wait 13 WEEKS?! FRAK! This winter is going to be MUCH harder than I thought :(

CattyGirl said...

all done. Wow - I wouldn't have predicted that.

Cam794 said...

THERES NOWERE TO RUN JACK!!!!!!!!................or is there???????????

Cam794 said...

dam i thot Picket was really gonna shoot him!

LostinFrogurt said...

My idea is that They took Sawyer to force Kate's hand and Kate to force Jack's hand.

When they started up the communicator and told Jack to open the door, that was definately done so they would achieve that particular effect.

Favorite line: You're naked.

Codysmom said...

Wow.....just wow.

But what do you think of this! Link to article... ABC Entices Lost Fans to Daybreak

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/lost/abc_entices_lost_fans_to_daybr.aspx

TheBookPolice said...

Been saying for a week or two now (and I'm sure I wasn't the only one) that any deal Jack would make with Ben to "get off this damn island" would be a true deal with the devil, since Jack doesn't know they're on a second island. Ben will keep his bargain 100%. But it won't be anything Jack wants.

LostinFrogurt said...

I totally predicted that the walkie would kick in at the very last second. They couldn't kill Sawyer off. Yet.

Cam794 said...

frogurt yes i think the same thing about S,J and K. also looks like we know who Kate chose then. ;)

tonysimos said...

Anyone know who Jacob is? Pickett said Shepherd wasn't even on Jacob's list. The only Jacob I could find on lostpedia is Jacob Vanderfield from the Hanso Foundation board of directors.

Midnightstrider said...

Lostinfrogurt - Yet? You don't really think...

Codysmom said...

I think it's a cheap trick and it may backfire because of the people who don't like spoilers. This is worse than TLE tie-ins with products!

JGZ350 said...

Yeah I also thought Pickett was going to off Sawyer. Did you notice the rain started coming down when Pickett went out to the cages? I need to rewatch this one again to really wrap my brain around this one.

Did you like tonight's episode? Did it live up to they hype? As for me, the jury is still out, I need some time to digest this episode.

Cam794 said...

i really didnt get Kates flashbacks. also spoilerfix said we were gonna see somwone that we know at Kates wedding. Anything i missed????

LuckyGuyLikeMe said...

For some reason, I was a little dissapointed. For one, I thought that the message Locke found was supposed to "change what we know forever"...? They only showed that group of people for 3 or 4 minutes total.

LostinFrogurt said...

tony - I was wondering the same thing...

midnightstrider- Oh, I'm not ruling it out just yet. Depends, you know. They deny it but I like to think that they killed off Libby and Ana Lucia because they got that DUI charge. A little to convenient, eh? (Sorry, the Canadian in me)

sean said...

what an episode. it will be a long 3 months.

Midnightstrider said...

Jgz350 - I loved this ep. Espically seeing captain Mal (yay browncoats!) as Kate's ex husband. As you said though, it deffinately needs a second viewing...or third ;).

LuckyGuyLikeMe said...

Yeah Cam, I was kind of confused as to the relevance of Kate's flashback too. Normally the flashbacks show something in the person's past that relate to the present happening on the island, but I just didn't see the connection in this one. I must be missing something.

Cam794 said...

yea well i dont have any money on my itunes account so i cant buy it i ahve to get some. but for now ill just have to watch it on abc.com tomorrow.and WILL HERNY DIE!!!!!

JGZ350 said...

Yes midnightstrider, it needs at least two more viewings no doubt. With 13 weeks to wait, we could watch the first 6 episodes more than 3 times each and still have a long wait.

Kate's flashbacks where not what I expected. I thought when the cop handed her the oceanic tixs that they were round trip tixs to Sydney. Oh well, I got that one wrong. Would have been cool if they where.


Where was Mr. Patchy???

LostinFrogurt said...

jgz - plotting perhaps?

sean said...

i really thought sawyer was going to bite the dust. no character on lost is EVER safe. they killed eko last week, they would really catch us off-guard if they did away with sawyer too.

Codysmom said...

yeah, where's Mr. Patchy???

Cam794 said...

yea jgz350. WERE IS John going i definitly thot he was heading to find mr.patchy. WE ONLY SAW LIKE 4 MINS OF John and his merry band of followers!!!!

Codysmom said...

I think they'd lose way too many viewers if they killed Sawyer

JGZ350 said...

Does anybody off hand remember the story Jack tells Kate when she is stiching him up? Wasn't it the story about operating on a lady and cutting her spinal pouch or something like that? I remember the counting to 5 thing, where he only let fear do it's thing for 5 seconds and then he regained control and fixed the lady. Thoughts anybody?

Midnightstrider said...

I have a feeling they won't show Mr.Patchy for a bit...

tonysimos said...

Here's my theory on the flashbacks for Kate. It has a lot to do with the pregnancy test. They show her being upset after coming up negative on the test, meanwhile she and Sawyer are bumping uglies. Another kid for the Others to take away?

Midnightstrider said...

Jgz360 - Yes, that was the one, with the girls nerves spilling out all over the place like "angel hair pasta"

JGZ350 said...

I was looking for the Widmore name on the pregnancy test. I didn't see it, did they show a name on the test?

Codysmom said...

You're remembering it right, jgz350. Jack said he accidentally spliced something (pouch?) and the nerves all spilled out like angel hair spagetti. He got his composure, counted to 5, and went back in to fix it all and everything turned out all right.

sean said...

jgz-
i remember he talked about doing an operation on a little girl, but accidentally did something wrong and messed up her nervous system.

i remember a quote was "her nerves flowed out like angel-hair pasta" or something like that.

JGZ350 said...

So is he saying to Kate to remember ther story so she will know that's what he has done to Ben? Why would he want her to tell him the story?

Cam794 said...

jgz350:yea thats the story in a general explination.

LostinFrogurt said...

sean - I think this is the formula = (total number of episodes / number of characters that have had flashbacks)/ number of flashbacks particular character has had = Chance character will stay alive as a percentage.

(54 / 15) / 5 = 72%. (That was Sawyer)

Midnightstrider said...

I'm out for the night all. Talk to you guys tomorrow!

JGZ350 said...

Have a good one midnightsrider. How can you sleep, my head is humming from this episode. So many things to digest.

Cam794 said...

The Sypnosis and stuff is up on lotpedia. http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/I_Do

LostinFrogurt said...

Something I thought was weird was that even though Kate escaped and they had video cameras everywhere, and she broke Sawyer's locke, the alarm didn't go off.

Cam794 said...

WAT! on lostpedia it said that ekos stick said "LIFT UP YOUR EYES AND LOOK NORTH JOHN." i thought it just said "LIFT UP YOUR EYES AND LOOK NORTH."

Cam794 said...

frogurt;yea i thought that was weird to. They did that the first time she got out too. hmmmmm

sean said...

i wish there was a formula like that. it would make it a lot easier. i dont think i can wait 3 months to see what happens next.

tonysimos said...

Frogurt - i think that's because they wanted it to happen. they wanted jack to see it so he'd lose it and want to do anything to get out of there.

LostinFrogurt said...

No one other htan Sean is paying attention to my formula. Pay attention this time. :P

I think this is the formula = (total number of episodes / number of characters that have had flashbacks)/ number of flashbacks particular character has had = Chance character will stay alive as a percentage.

(54 / 15) / 5 = 72%. (That was Sawyer)

memphish said...

Well, I really enjoyed the epi. because I tried to go in with low expectations.

I really hated the fact that Kate and Sawyer apparently did the ... you know, and I'm frankly totally confused about Kate and Jack. So "The Look" from the end of Live Together, Die Alone" was just a plan? Why didn't Kate and Sawyer still try to run? Why didn't any of the Others know that Kate and Sawyer could leave their cages?

By the way, there is apparently a way to get from Island #1 to Island #2 because Alex did it. It surprised Pickett, et al that Alex was there. How'd she get there they asked. So there is some way off?

I can't wait to watch this one again, and I can't wait until February. Man! The end of this one did not disappoint.

TheBookPolice said...

Kate's flashback:

Kate is on the run. Kate finds a man. Kate falls for man. Kate gets it on with man. Kate is reminded that she is always on the run. Kate ends it with man to protect him. Kate runs.

Kate's present:

Kate is captured and wants to run. Kate is held prisoner with a man. Kate begins to fall for man. Kate gets it on with man. Kate is reminded that she is a prisoner and wants to be free. Kate is desperate to do someting to protect man. ______?_______ (you fill in the last blank)

Cam794 said...

i dont even get what your formula means lol

LostinFrogurt said...

The /s mean devide.

LuckyGuyLikeMe said...

So yeah, the more I hear what you guys are saying and the more I think about it, this episode was actually rather good. I can't wait until February either! Especially with all these promos there supposed to put on every week during "Daybreak"!

sean said...

i personally dont even know the point of the flashbacks anymore. they seem like mostly filler if you ask me. im more concerned about the present (December 2004) than there people's pasts. i think they should only use flashbacks when it is absolutely needed to advance the island plot.

just my opinion.

LuckyGuyLikeMe said...

thebookpolice:

Good point!

memphish said...

So who's volunteering to tape Daybreak every week and put the promos on YouTube?

LuckyGuyLikeMe said...

I think DarkUfo will have that covered as he always does ;)

tonysimos said...

Theories on who jacob is?

Cam794 said...

it looked like Tom was gonna cry when he was tellin Pickett to give the walkie to Kate

memphish said...

Sean,

I think I'm with you on the flashbacks. At this point there are minor details we might like to know like who the real Sawyer is and how Locke ended up in a wheelchair, but what I'd like to see is more island flashbacks. Like why were Kate's wrists so banged up after breakfast? I still don't know. After all, they weren't like that after the crash landing on the island which she endured in handcuffs.

memphish said...

I guess everyone's gone. Hope you Left Coasters enjoy the epi. Talk to you tomorrow.

LuckyGuyLikeMe said...

Yeah, it seems as if everyone is gone... goodnight everyone!

capcom said...

Evening Friends, we got about 40 minutes tonight, but that includes "Previously on Lost" and the previews for the next ep. I also would like a lot less flashbacks now, they are getting to be annoying when more island time is what I want to see. Perhaps every other ep could have flashbacks, I could deal with that. I agree with Bookpolice about the meaning of Kate's flashbacks, and also that it seems as if she realizes that she has finally found someone with whom she doesn't have to pretend to be someone else with. She doesn't have to do "taco night" with Sawyer. Why we needed to know that more than we needed to know who Mr. Patchy was, well, who knows. BTW, who didn't guess that there was something special in the iced tea for hubby? :-) Also, Kate calling the marshall reminded me of the movie "Catch Me If You Can".

I thought that it was great to see Jack get the upper hand tonight, he even trumped Juliet's "oops" plan for Benry's operation! Way to go Jack. Hope the plan doesn't backfire.

Biggest disappointment for this ep..........no commercial with a 1-800 number to call for updates on the new and improved Hanso Foundation (i.e., TLE Part Deux). Rachel is probably lounging on a Hanso owned beach sipping umbrella drinks in her giant sunglasses by now. :-\

TLCM, take care of yourself and know that we are all praying and cheering for your return to good health.

n.i.k. said...

Total pr*cktease. I'll keep watching, but this episode was way over-hyped...even by hyped-up episode standards.

Most interesting points:

1) "Compound breached" message. My guess is that the worksite isn't too far from the coast or however you get onto OtherTraz Island.

2) Alex. What, did she want to bargain with Ben? Plant a load from the slingshot right between his eyes? Obviously she's known as a troublemaker, and obviously even the jerky turd likes of Danny Pickett don't take her as a serious threat.


3) Jack's crazy plan is totally different from Juliette's, as he outright acknowledged that Ben's life was in danger...which either means he figured Juliette was trying to scam him or he's the same hard-nosed bullhead we've known for two seasons already. Probably both. I wonder what repercussions Jack will face from ol' Julie gal for not taking her orders?

4) Locke's quasi-spiritual hokum is aggravating. Literal interpretation of scripture carved in a stick, without context? Please. Either John Locke goes back to full-time badass, or it's time for him to get orf the island.

Beyond that...predictable and frustrating. But hey, par for the course, especially given what we've been teased with for *after* the break. That's what I'm holding out for...DHARMA details, I hope I hope I hope...

Sayid'sgirl said...

Yeah I'm with bookpolice and capcom
Kate has finally relized she doesn't have to run anymore. The detective said he'd leave her alone if she could stay put "but we both know that isn't going to happen". Also I don't remember the name of the episode but the one when she digs up the time capsule with her old boyfriend he said something like you always want to run or something like that. The flashback just shows a pattern one that she may have finally broken.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Oh and someting I found strange.
I wonder why Ben asked Juliet if Alex asked about him?

Codysmom said...

Sayid'sgirl said...
The flashback just shows a pattern one that she may have finally broken.

Oh, oh. If Kate has RESOLVED her issues, does that mean she's NEXT??

dolenore said...

Cam794 said...

WAT! on lostpedia it said that ekos stick said "LIFT UP YOUR EYES AND LOOK NORTH JOHN." i thought it just said "LIFT UP YOUR EYES AND LOOK NORTH."

11/08/2006 09:42:47 PM


The stick was the headline image for episode 3 So either scroll down and look on the main page or click the link. ^_^ It DOES indeed say "look north john" but it refers to john 3:05 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. -- John 3:05 New International Version

Codysmom said...

They'll have to figure out which way north is from the sun or something since compasses don't work on the island. Do you think he should be standing where they buried Eko when he lifts up his eyes and looks north? How about he looks north at precisely 3:05pm?

memphish said...

East Coasters - was the scene in the previews with Pickett telling Sawyer that he's not dead yet because they still need him missing, or was it just me?

And n.i.k. -- good point about Ben asking about Alex. And why did Juliet lie?

And so explain to me people, which guy is Kate not running from anymore, because I'm totatlly confused by this one. You sleep with one guy and don't try to run when the coast is clear, and you won't leave the other one when you know the coast is not clear. I'm baffled.

dolenore said...

memphish said...

East Coasters - was the scene in the previews with Pickett telling Sawyer that he's not dead yet because they still need him missing, or was it just me?


A lot of preview scenes were not actualy in this episode... we'd all love to find out how much of the Swan survived, as I am sure Mr Patchy was in the geo dome.

n.i.k. said...

I didn't raise the point about Ben asking after Alex's inquiry - sayid's girl did. It's an even better point than I raised. Not faulting you here, memphish, just trying to give credit where credit's due.

Totengraber said...

Hey Y'all

Well there's old Paolo & Nikki still hanging around, useless as (insert stupid analogy of your choice). I bet they're Carl & Alex all growed up and come back from the future to help.

Hey! What's Kate doing marring Ethan? Ethan's a cop?!?

Oops, That ain't Ethan.

This Kate & Sawyer thing is starting to look like Mexican Soap Opera.

Dig Y'all Later, maybe 13 weeks later.

memphish said...

Sayid's girl - good grab on the Alex question. Sorry n.i.k.

MSTK said...

Great episode, but I don't think it'll be enough to keep anyone full until February.

Some elated points -

- When Henry walks in on Jack in the monitor room. Jack puts him up at gunpoint, and Henry says, "I guess this my the proverbial nail in the coffin." On one hand you feel a triumph for the Losties, but on the other -- man, that scene made you really pity Henry. The actor's facial expressions were perfect.

- Again, when Jack takes the upper hand in the surgery room. Mr. Beardy seemed like he was going to cry.

- Who was on the intercom? Juliet? Ben? Alex? Either seems plausible.

- At this point, the Others are at the complete mercy of Jack and Kate. Kate's going to be demand not to leave without Sawyer...and the Others won't have a choice, because if Kate doesn't leave, then Benry is dead. In the same way, Kate can request some kind of boating service.

Episode wasn't the best, but it sure was great.

maven said...

Episode was pretty good...a little too soap opera-ish, though. Well, all you eastcoasters are probably gone. Just want to jot down a few things while it's fresh in my mind:

1. Funny line: Sawyer to Kate, "I know how to get a damn fish biscuit!"

2. We know Kate/Monica's wedding was fast. She had been on the run, find a great guy. But it's not in her make-up to stay put and be happy homemaker. Remember, she couldn't stay put on that ranch in Australia, either.

3. Locke seems to need to find a reason for Eko's death. Is he now heading north as it says on Eko's stick? I don't know why that would be the reason for Eko dying...he could've shown Locke the saying on his stick any old time!

4. When Alex caused the "compound breach" and came storming in with her slingshot drawn...I thought of David vs Goliath! LOL She wanted to know where Karl was. Why does she ask for Ben and not Juliet?

5. Another funny Sawyerism: (to Kate) "How was your day honey?" after Danny throws him into cage. Makes them seem like old married folks...maybe a reference to the Monica flashback.

6. So Kate doesn't know they're on Alcatraz Island. Sawyer didn't want her to give up hope.

7. Letting Jack find the monitors so he can see Sawyer and Kate was part of the plan. They let Sawyer and Kate get it on (in broad daylight), so it will work on Jack to get him to do the surgery.

8. When Jack says, "I need your word. I need to get off this island." and Ben says: "Done." Jack is unaware that there are 2 islands, and Ben agrees to his demand knowing full well that he's telling the truth about getting Jack off Alacatraz Island only.

9. In the operating room, Juliet says "I've always been very good at following orders." What happened to her "free will"?

10. Ben's about to go under the knife, and he is concerned about Alex asking about him. Juliet lies, why?

11. Danny says: "Shepard wasn't even on Jacob's list." Who's Jacob? Mr. Patchy?

Stelven said...

Hi all.
Just been lurking since ComicCon but figured I'd post about the "Big Finale".

Can't say I was really surprised by anything in the episode. A bit of a bummer really.

One line made it worth it though...

Ben to Jack: If I were a betting man I would have had my money on you.

So are we now supposed to believe that Ben is Alex's father? So that makes the scientific expedition that Rousseau was on.... the DHARMA Initiative?

Oh and, just what did Alex have in that slingshot?

|S|

MSTK said...

I never thought of that, stelven. Maybe Rousseau's scientific expedition was the Dharma Initiative? I can't believe I never made that connection...even though it seems so simple and straightforward right now.

Although, there are some kinks in that theory. Rousseau couldn't have been on the island for more than twenty years, unless she were lying. But the Dharma Initiative has been there longer than that...and she made it sound like her group was a pioneer.

Also, we already now Rousseau's reason for being on the Island - the numbers. That means that the Initiative was already there, because the antennae was already there.

Just some thoughts.

maven said...

The Alex stuff makes me think that Ben was her surrogate parent once she was taken from Danielle. Ben asks about her just before he goes under the knife.

Berimon said...

Maven said "The Alex stuff makes me think that Ben was her surrogate parent once she was taken from Danielle."

He beat me to it. I don't think that Ben is her biological Dad, but just the person she was raised to believe was her Dad. A variation on Kate's background.

Jacob is almost undoubtedly the character we know as Ethan Rom. Ben used a pseudonym while he could, there is every reason to expect Ethan to do the same. Also of note, S3E1 when Ben sends Ethan and Goodwin out, he tells them that he wants a list of names ASAP. This is the only logical conclusion, assuming that Jacob isn't someone new to the show.

Maven asked "Ben's about to go under the knife, and he is concerned about Alex asking about him. Juliet lies, why?"

Because you don't subject a surgery patient to any undue stress if at all possible. That's the simplest explanation. It's also possible that Juliet doesn't expect him to live, and denying him this information is a very small, petty bit of revenge.

Maven also asked "I don't know why that would be the reason for Eko dying...he could've shown Locke the saying on his stick any old time!"

Maybe the specific time and place he found the stick have some bearing on it. For example, it could be leading him to the next station, and a different starting position would not lead him to the same place. Also, the circumstance lends weight to the importance of the message, otherwise Locke may well have dismissed it.

Stelvin said "So that makes the scientific expedition that Rousseau was on.... the DHARMA Initiative?"

The timeline pretty specifically precludes this. The DI was founded in the early 70s, and Rousseau landed on the island in the late 80s. This assumes that anything the "crazy french chick" ever said was true.

Memphish said "And so explain to me people, which guy is Kate not running from anymore, because I'm totatlly confused by this one."

Ok, this leads into my Kate theory. I think that during the missing time between breakfast with Ben, and joining Sawyer at the cages, the Others gave her the same deal that they offered Jack. Help us and we get you off the island. Kate needs to run. It's so ingrained in her at this point, that she couldn't stop if she wanted to.

Her flashback this episode shows how even when she has is made, settled down and safe, she can't stop running. So despite being in love with Captain Mal, she betrays him and starts running again. The same can be said for Sawyer, she loves him, but despite that, she can't stop, so she's going to betray him, and (try to) get off the island.

If you watch Kate closely this season she has been very passive since Ben's Breakfast, just going along and biding her time. She tried to get Sawyer to run, but showed no inclination to do so herself. The only reason Kate would do this is if she already had an out. Remember the raft, and how she tried to get onto that?

Last thing: the semantic argument about Ben saying "this island". Either he's the lying scumbag I think he is, in which case his word is junk anyways, or I'm wrong and he will honor the spirit of the bargain and actually send Jack home. Remember, Ben seems to genuinely believe that he's one of the good guys. I don't think he'll go the nit-picking route and just send Jack back to Lost Island.

However, the point may well be moot, as he's going to be pretty pissed once he finds out what Jack did during the surgery.

Alright, I'm done. Tell me if I'm wasting too much space, I seem to take up a lot more real estate with my posts than most of the people here, I'll try to trim it down.

Later..........

Tall Guy said...

Hi Berimon

I don't think Ethan is Jacob. Ben called him Ethan when sending him on his mission, which makes me conclude that Ethan was his real name. Why would Picket refer to him by another name? As somebody else suggested above, Jacob is very likely The Man With The Eyepatch. Being as Mr Eyepatch is only new character introduced lately, whose name we don't know, does make this conclusion seem likely.

minnesotawriter said...

From the shadows I theorize:

Jacob = Him = The Eyepatch Guy

Sawyer can't die as Josh Halloway is contracted for six seasons.

The new Kate flashback is relevant as it underscores her problem with men, that being her inability to commit to one love.

That's all for now. What's the deal with those mobisodes???

Dark Angel said...

Hi Guys,

Well I meant to post earlier but then I had half of one of my teeth fall out (bloody toffees!).

I'm off to the dentist but I thought I'd just make a few quick comments.

I agree there is some kind or relationship between Ben and Alex and a foster parent is a possibility, but I still think Ben might be Alex's biological father.
I'm also convinced the two islands are seperate, we know that Alex was on the Island earlier, I'm sure that the otheres have more than just the sub, she could have taken a small inflatable across or a small rowing boat, it's not that far!


I'm not convinced that Eyepatch Man is Jacob, but it's certainly a possibility, as is Paulo ;)

The big question is did Jack really cut one of Ben's hepatic blood vessels which seems pretty nasty and leaves a tricky repair job for Jack or is it as I suspect just a bluff in order to facilitate the escape of Kate.

Of course I haven't actually seen the episode yet!

Anyway I've got to go off to the dentist so I'll catch you all later, if I haven't had all my teeth pulled and then charged a fortune for the pleasure (oh and did I mention dental anesthetics seem to have no efect on me!).

Fun, fun, fun

See Y'all later

DA

ib4uc said...

My take on Kate's flashback and the relevance:

In her flashback, she has to pretend to be someone she isn't and will always be looking over her shoulder. Her husband loves a "fake". She's relieved the pregnancy test came up negative because how could she bring a child into this world in her current situation?

In present day, we see the opposite. With Sawyer, she doesn't have to pretend anymore -- he loves her just the way she is.

What will happen if she ends up being pregnant because of their tryst? Did the Others not stop them in hopes that she would get pregnant?

Something else... When Jack was talking/yelling to Ben and Juliet about not doing the surgery and he threw the papers, I was so ready for him to tell them to ef off. Wishful thinking.

Last thought... towards the end when Jack is talking to Kate on the walkie talkie, I was afraid that Jack was going to say something to the effect "Do you know the story I told you after we crashed? It was a big lie. I really wasn't on the plane and I'm an Other".

ular98 said...

I think Kate has real man/male issues. She has the need to take care of one out of possible quilt for her Dads murder. She had a bad or next to none father/daughter relationship, so she is trying to find love of a male in anyway that she can. If she doesn't hang around the man very long or totally commit to him or anyone or thing she is less likely to be hurt, mentally or physically. I think she was crying in relief over the negative test rather than saddeness. It would have meant a harder time for her leaving her husband.

JoAnn said...

good morning... I haven't read this week's commemts so you may have already mentioned this...

Where are Sun and Jen? Syid is back and was part of the search for Eco and his burial. Did I miss something... did Syid say something about them or about Sun shooting the lady on the boat? How did they get back since the boat was taken?

Dennis said...

AMERICAN EXPRESS EXCLUSIVES:

Use Monica / 888-258-3741 to log in.

I'll post the pictures here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lostchibbie/sets/72157594367775632/


I will not be posting the video on YouTube. All of the other videos were removed from YouTube yesterday by TPTB.

Here are the questions:

I Do - Jack makes a decision about Ben's offer, and Sawyer's life hangs in the balance.

• You're Gonna Die: Ben's one chance to live is gone when Jack informs him he won't operate on him. Is there is a gleeful madness to Jack's outburst?
• It Brought Us Here: Sayid asks Locke about the monster. Locke thinks it may have brought them there and why Eko died. Is Locke waiting for his further instructions?
• They Killed My Boyfriend: Alex threatens Pickett and demands to know where her boyfriend is. She screams to Kate that her boyfriend will be killed as well.
• You Can Save Sawyer: Juliet asks Kate to talk to Jack. If she can convince Jack to do the surgery, Juliet can keep Pickett from killing Sawyer. Should Kate believe her?
• Monica, I Thee Wed: Kate marries a cop, Kevin, who doesn't know her true name. Is she as honest and faithful as the minister says she is?
• Together at Last: Jack realizes Kate's being used when she asks him to do the surgery to save Sawyer's life. Who is Kate choosing here, Jack or Sawyer?
• Stop Running: Kate asks the Marshal to stop chasing her. He agrees only if she really stops running and settles down. Is Kate able to stay put?
• Look North, John 3:05: While burying Eko, Locke sees a message on Eko's walking stick. Was Eko's death needed to bring Locke these instructions?
• Together at Last, Part 2: Kate and Sawyer finally consummate their relationship. Are they afraid Sawyer is going to die the next day? Or are they really in love?
• Honeymoon Abroad: Kevin bought tickets to Costa Rica for their honeymoon. Notice the airline name? Was Kate fated to end up on an Oceanic flight?
• I'll Do the Surgery: Jack sees Kate and Sawyer sleeping together. Is this why he agrees to do the surgery? To get off the island, away from Kate?
• I'm a Fugitive: Kate tells Kevin the truth about herself and leaves. Will she ever be able to stop running? Will Kevin also start chasing her?
• Who is Jacob?: Pickett is upset that Ben put his life in the hands of one of Them. Then he says Jack wasn't even on Jacob's list.
• Ben Goes Under: How can Ben put his life in the hands of a man he's held captive? Would you trust Jack to do the surgery?
• He's Got One Hour: Jack cuts Ben's kidney sac and threatens to let Ben die. What is Jack's plan? Is he going along with Juliet's request to kill Ben?
• Close Your Eyes: Pickett is going to kill Sawyer and make Kate watch. Why doesn't Sawyer fight back? Why has he given up?
• Don't Stop Running: Jack tells Kate she and Sawyer can get away. Kate doesn't want to go without Jack. Jack tells her to run. What will she do?

CattyGirl said...

Thanks for posting that Dennis.

I am glad it isn't just me wondering if Kevin is looking for Kate.

CattyGirl said...

joann - Sayid said they were going to have to hike back so I think we are assuming that is what happened.

Sayid'sgirl said...

codysmom: No I hope Kate resolving her issues means she next. But I doubt she's completely down with her issues.
berimon: Here's my take on the list. I think it's the list Miss Klugh gave to Michael that's how they got kidnapped. I got out my dvd and looked at the list and James Ford was the last name on the list and it was in different color ink and to it looked like different handwriting. I don't know who put his name on the list or why. I actually thought I might find Jack's name being the one not on Jacob's list. I guess that's why Pickett's not worried about killing him.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Sorry that should say doesn't mean she's next.

CattyGirl said...

It seems alot of people think Ben is going to keep his word and get Jack off the island, meaning just the hyrdra station island. This would be a trick of course and I think that is why people think this. I am thinking that there will be more to the trick because Ben told Jack that he would get him home after showing him the World Series video. Not that any of that will play out at all, but I just wanted to voice this thought...

Dennis said...

minnesotawriter said... Xxxxx can't die as Xxxx Xxxxxxxx is contracted for six seasons.

I would considered this to be a spoiler. You are revealing a future storyline based on outside sources.

Please check out the spoiler definitions for this blog. Thanks.

Sayid'sgirl said...

I'm having major spelling issues this morning it should be done not down. Sorry again I didn't check it before I posted.

Dennis said...

Sayid'sgirl said...berimon: Here's my take on the list. I think it's the list Miss Klugh gave to Michael that's how they got kidnapped. I got out my dvd and looked at the list and James Ford was the last name on the list and it was in different color ink and to it looked like different handwriting. I don't know who put his name on the list or why. I actually thought I might find Jack's name being the one not on Jacob's list. I guess that's why Pickett's not worried about killing him.

Pickett said that "Shepard" (Jack) was not on the list, not Sawyer. Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sawyer were on Ms. Klugh's list

I think the list he is referring to is the list of "good people".

JGZ350 said...

Good morning all-

Something I noticed in last night's episode was that the pregnancy test Kate uses is by none other than Widmore Labs, the same pregnancy test Sun uses to see if she is pregnant. I thought that was pretty cool and a shout out to all that played TLE.

Joann- in regards to your question:

From The Glass Ballerina Sayid says

"I'm sorry I dragged you into this. And please communicate to your husband that next time I will listen to him. We should go. We have a long walk ahead of us."

So apparently that's how they got back to camp, however, we have not seen Sun or Jin since that episode.

Codysmom said...

DA, good luck at the dentist. Sounds like you need a crown. Have you tried gas? Also, you can get more than one novicane shot; I've had up to three just for one tooth. Just trying to help (not a dentist, just have had lots of work done).

I also wondered if Ben might actually be Alex's biological father. Danielle said her crew had the "sickness", but maybe it was the other way around and she's the one with the "sickness"

ular98, agree with Kate's issues with men because of her father issues. But,
I do think whe was enjoying being married and acting susy-homemaker. She knew she had to run again because of the honeymoon tickets to Costa Rica where she'd have to get a passport and she knew she couldn't do that. She has to keep running because the marshal won't give up on her. To me, she seemed genuinely sad that the pregnancy test came back negative. I think she made a deal with herself that if the test came back positive, she'd tell hubby the truth about everything and try to live through a trial.

Sayid'sgirl, good work on researching the list...especially interesting that James Ford was written in later.

Dennis, thanks for the AMEx info. Interesting that they took the vids off youtube. BTW, you only need to input the phone number, you don't need to type a name.

Dennis said...

Here is the quote about the "good" list from The Other 48 Days:

GOODWIN: If you had cut off his finger and he still told you he was on the plane, I think maybe you would have started to believe you had the wrong guy.
ANA: Did you kill him?
GOODWIN: Nathan was not a good person. That's why he wasn't on the list.
ANA: What about the kids? Did you kill them, too?
GOODWIN: Children are fine. They're better off now.

blueheron13 said...

Jacob is almost certainly not Ethan. We know that Ethan never even got around to making his list. In an episode a long time ago, we saw Tom Friendly scolding Ethan for failing to make his list and going ahead and abducting Claire (this is in the Staff station). Ethan defends himself by telling Mr. Friendly that the Losties had discovered that he (Ethan) wasn't on the plane.

BarbaraJay said...

Good morning and welcome to the Lost Desert Days until February. I'm here to say, once again, I was wrong. Even Benry wouldn't allow himself to be cut open for a long con. (I had said that the whole surgery thing was a scam.)

I liked this episode but I wanted more. Maybe three months of rewatching will reveal things we didn't see last night.

Some thoughts: I think Jack realized that he loved Kate even if she didn't love him the same way. Jack rocks, by the way. Loved the way he got the Others by the short ones. Did Alex really believe she could overcome guys with guns with a slingshot? Juliet is creepy. She has a Benry smile. What really happened to Kate? She didn't answer when Jack asked her if they hurt her. She has been so passive. And finally, six episodes of victimization is enough. I'm ready for Locke to show up with an army of Losties (not the little gangs they usually do) and kick some Other butt.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Dennis:
Yes I know all four were on Miss Klugh' list. I meant when I heard he wasn't even on Jacob's list I thought that it would be Jack. Then when I looked at the dvd I assumed it was Sawyer because of the differences in the writing and the ink color.
I guess Pickett said Sheppard I haven't watched it again so I guess I was wrong there but I still think they are talking about Miss Klugh's list.

Codysmom said...

Barbarjay, LOL Lost Desert Days..

I was wrong, too. I didn't even think it was Ben's x-ray. Imagine the elaborate theories we can develop with 3 months of nothing else?

Dennis, will talking about the snippets they'll be showing during "Daybreak" be considered spoilers and thus not allowed on this blog?

Dennis said...

JGZ350,Here is a picture of the Widmore Pregnancy Tests:

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=209

They have some interesting comments about the tests:
• Sun used a pregnancy kit in Season 2, and found out she was pregnant. Did the kit Sun used belong to Kate
• It was quite some time between leaving Kevin and going to Australia, so if the kit did belong Kate, it would have to be related to a different relationship.


blueheron13 said...We know that Ethan never even got around to making his list. In an episode a long time ago, we saw Tom Friendly scolding Ethan for failing to make his list and going ahead and abducting Claire (this is in the Staff station). Ethan defends himself by telling Mr. Friendly that the Losties had discovered that he (Ethan) wasn't on the plane.

[Claire sees the crib with the plane mobile and seems to recognize it.]
ETHAN: Go ahead, turn it on.
[Claire turns it on and it plays Catch a Falling Star.]
VOICE [from outside the room]: Ethan.
ETHAN: Wait here, I'll be right back.
CLAIRE: Okay.
VOICE: What the hell happened? You were supposed to make the list and then bring her in. Was I unclear?
ETHAN: It's not my fault. They knew I wasn't on the plane. They had a manifest.
[The voice is revealed as Mr. Friendly, without his beard and grubby clothes.]
MR. FRIENDLY: What am I supposed to tell him? You know what he's going to do when he finds out. Damn it, Ethan.

maven said...

Morning all:

Sayid'sgirl: Danny definitely said: "Shepard wasn't even on Jacob's list." This is a different list than Miss Klugh's or anyone else's. I guess they like to make lists. Very annal retentive. LOL

R2K said...

Good episode : )

Sayid'sgirl said...

Maven:
You're probably right It's a completely different list. That's what I thought while watching the show but then I got caught up in the conversations here and I changed my mind. I guess we'll all have to wait 13 weeks to find out what all these list are all about.

tlcm said...

It came to mind that perhaps "the long con" has been an agreement between Jack, Kate, and Sawyer (remember "the look" before the others put the bags over J&K's head). Maybe before they met up with the others they planned something because Jack told them in "Live Together, Die Alone" that he wouldn't have brought them that far with out a plan. Of course, we thought that plan was Sayid, Sun, and Jin on Desmond's boat but what if there was another plan, one that will be revealed in a future flashback.

I mean this could explain Kate's passiveness. The others made some kind of a deal with her between breakfast and her arrival at the cages. They've been playing the losties against each other through this entire season so far. Sawyer couldn't tell Kate about the fake pacemaker; and Kate definitely was not telling Jack everything during their little visit last night. Everybody seems to be trying to protect the other. This all seems too coordinated to be coincidence....

or am I just imagining ??????

Dennis said...

Codysmom said...Will talking about the snippets they'll be showing during "Daybreak" be considered spoilers and thus not allowed on this blog?

I'm not sure how that's going to play out. David will have to make that call.

It would be nice to have something to do during the 3 month hiatus. I still haven't seen anything about the Mobisodes, and if they were going to do them, you would think that they would have advertised them during the finale.

Bank said...

Long time lurker-
I don't think that Jack is expecting Kate to be able to get Sawyer out. He tells her to run, but doesn't mention him. Seems like he wants to separate them.

maven said...

Welcome, bank, to de-lurking!

Yeah, I agree with you. Jack doesn't seem that concerned about Sawyer. Could he really be so jealous?

tlcm: Good call on that look between Kate and Jack. Sawyer wasn't in on that look was he? (Hope you're doing okay.)

tlcm said...

There was a "look" between Jack and Micheal too but we haven't seen anything that develop some kind of a plan involving Micheal and Walt yet. I don't think that Kate will leave without Sawyer and Jack. I don't think Jack will leave without Kate and Sawyer. And although I have a sliver of doubt in my gut; I don't think Sawyer will leave without Kate and Jack. I could be wrong.

I want to believe the pack was one would not leave without the others but the pack could be "every man for himself." Sawyer said it but he didn't mean it at least not for Kate.. Oh! maybe the pack is who ever gets away first is to lead the rest of the losties to rescue those left behind.

okay, now I'm back to square one...........

anything is possible...

it's going to be a long three months

Administrator said...

Hey guys, still catching up on everyone's comments. Good stuff. Got a busy day though so won't be around much.

Will be thinking about the "Sneak Peeks" and "Mobisode" and how we'll handle them during the break. We'll put up a post about it next week sometime after the podcast.

Wanted to let everyone know that there is a new post over at storiesofthelost.com. If you missed last week's discussion over there about Eko, it got DEEP. Check it out if you get bored over the break! Everyone's always welcome to join our conversations regarding the thematic elements of the show...the more the merrier.

capcom said...

Hi all, great comments!

Inflatables!!! Geez DA, I didn't even think of that, it's very possible that the Others could have some stashed around that our Heroes could use to get off Falcatraz, if they find them....let's hope so. Good luck at the Dentist.

I am in the camp that thinks that *maybe* the Kate and Sawyer mating scenario was also completely set up by the Others. When "Chinatown" told Sawyer to make sure he did whatever (I can't remember what he said) with Kate tonight, it made me think of when soldiers go off to war and they get one last night with their loved ones. It immediately felt like a setup to me, and if Kate gets pregnant, then they'll have a new baby to take and raise. But, I could be 100% wrong. :-)

Something on my wishlist for the Feb season is this: I would like to see Ben recover and get a whole new outlook on life. Now that he has had to beg for his life, it would be nice if he now has obtained a respect for other people's lives, and will no longer cause harm to the Lostaways and will respect their human rights and dignity. BTW, who would have thought this past summer, that we'd be talking about Ben having tumors?

Dennis, I was confused about Jack's attitude when Kate was talking to him. Maybe he was just so fed up with Ben and Juliet's tricks that he got ticked off and didn't want to talk to anyone, about anything, pertaining to Ben's op. On the other hand, it might have been all a part of Jack's plan to get the upper hand? But I do think that he seemed genuinely happy to see Kate and it looked like she had that old glint in her eyes for him as well. She better get her act together. Their awkward half-trying to touch through the glass was a tender moment. And that's a good theory that Jack now just wants to get off the island away from Kate, now that she has chosen between him and Sawyer. Also, that was way too obvious of a setup that someone just happened to tell Jack to try the door, he finds the TVs and sees S and K. That was dumb Jack, you took the bait. But at least he got them back with his little trick in the op room.

blueheron13 said...

So apparently Jacob made a list about the Losties on the beach sometime after Ethan failed in his mission. If Jacob = Mr. Patchy, how could he have gathered intelligence on the Losties from wherever he his located. But if Jacob is not Mr. Patchy, who else could he be? Could the Losties have another infiltrator in their midst and not even know it?

blueheron13 said...

Question for all you folks:

When Alex was screaming "Where is he?" and so on, was she referring to her boyfriend (Karl?) or to Ben? From the context, is seems like she could be referring to either one.

capcom said...

Interesting Blue, and if Ethan didn't finish his list, how and when did they find out that Jack was a spinal surgeon? After Benry escaped from the hatch? And then they quickly looked up on the internet all they needed to know about Jack? But Jack was specifically on the list that Michael got, so it would have to have been before Benry escaped from the Swan. Crud, I'm so confused. If I missed that, fill me in.

As far as Patchy getting information, he may have been given the names, and he just spent all this time in his Station of computers looking up info on everyone. Probably doesn't have much else to do.

scoutpost said...

Morning all!
I liked the episode, but didn't think it was quite the jaw dropper I expected. TPTB said that something would happen that would make us go "wow" or conclude that the show was jumping the shark- not sure that this happened.
You guys have already made a lot of good comments, and I don't have a lot to add-
I agree that it seems significant that something happened to Kate after the breakfast with Ben that she is not telling.
Also, I too wonder if Jack and Kate had some kind of "escape" plan worked out before they were captured, and if Jack's instructions to her at the end are part of that.
Last, (for now) I am wondering the same thing as blueheron- is Jacob another Other who has infiltrated the Losties that we don't know about yet.
Dark Angel- sorry about the tooth! Hope everything goes well at the dentist. Get the gas- maybe you will come up with some good Lost theories while under the influence- LOL. Hope this incident doesn't make you want to go back to chocolate.

Goog said...

Hi All... boy, this last episode surely gave us a heck-of-a-lot to talk about on the next podcast!

Minnesotawriter said...
Sawyer can't die as Josh Halloway is contracted for six seasons.

This is not a spoiler... there have been many instances in Hollywood where actors were contracted for long term just to throw us off. In particular, Liam Neeson was contracted to for Star Wars Episodes I - III. However he was killed off in Episode I.
So, I beleive, as many of us do, that no one is safe on Lost. But, then again... there will be quite a few fans who would be up in arms if Jack, Kate, or Sawyer ever die. A friend of mine said he would stop watching if Jack ever died!
Anyways, there have been some great comments posted so far and I plan to use a few on the next podcast. Keep those e-mails and voice mails coming!
- The Goog

scoutpost said...

Good question about the timing Capcom- although I'm as confused as you are. About the lists- Jack was not on Jacob's list- does this possibly mean that Jack is not "good" but Kate and Sawyer are? Still leaves us guessing how they define "good". Second, why then was Jack on Ms. Klugh's list? Because he was a surgeon- now this goes back to Capcom's timing question. hmmmm

capcom said...

Good point about contracts Goog. :-)

BTW, the term "jumping the shark" is SO appropos for this show! :-D I won't think of the original Fonzy meaning of the term anymore, now for me it will forever be "jumping the Dharma shark".

Scout, maybe they just wanted Kate and Sawyer for mating purposes....they're young, brave, strong-willed, good survivors, good at thinking on the run in adverse situations.....then whimpy Jack was thrown into the catch at the last minute to do Ben's surgery. Just thinkin'. BTW, it is so good to see Jack being in charge again and not being whimpy and whiney.

isibell said...

Ok...so I haven't had a chance to catch up but i have to ask...cause it's buggin me


did anyone else get the feeling that Benry is Alix's dad?

scoutpost said...

Agreed Capcom- it's good to see Locke and Jack not be weak and whiny anymore....but now Kate and Sawyer are being weak and passive! Someone alluded to this- but they all need to quit their little island cliques, get over themselves, join forces, come out with guns a blazin', kick some Other butt and get off that stupid island!

ib4uc said...

The lists that Goodwin and Jacob (maybe) put together, and the one Ethan was supposed to do, did not include Jack, Kate and Sawyer because they were not "good", or as Jack put it, they were damaged goods.

But the list Klugh gave Michael had their names because they were part of a master plan by the Others.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I thought things were when it came to the lists.

Also, what about the list that Ana Lucia found on a dead Other after their failed attempt to take more tailies? Whose list was that?

blueheron13 said...

Capcom and Scoutpost:

I'm just as confused about this list business as anyone. I just threw the questions out there for speculation. I don't think we know enough to form a definitive theory, although I do believe the original lists were intended to contain the names of the "good" people--the people that were supposed to be ambushed and taken. That theme of what maks a person "good" and what doesn't (in the eyes of the Others or Dharma research), that theme will be with us for the length of the show, I suspect. And probably tied in with Smokey as well.

blueheron13 said...

ib4uc,

I think it safe to assume the list Ana found was made by the Tailie infiltrator, Goodwin.

blueheron13 said...

Thinking more about it, it's now no surprise that Jack is not considered to be one of the "good" ones. The Others had ample opportunity to abduct him earlier, just like they could have abducted Kate earlier (such as the time when Mr. Friendly had them surrounded by torches). Light 'em up!

pJ said...

Boy, does this season of Lost blow.

6 episodes that could have been told in one? Any fans of the show since the first season should be throwing their hands up in anguish. I don't think anyone owes us, like say Comic Book Guy would, but I do think that this season has been boring, annoying and most of all, full of no surprises.

Example: Last night's flashback? C'mon. Predictable. So what she poisons her husband and leaves??? Anyone with half a brain would know, based on what we've already seen happen to Kate, that she leaves the guy at some point. Couldn't the writers have come up with something unique? Maybe that her husband was in on it? Or that maybe she actually is really someone named Monica and "Kate" is her phony name? Anything. And trying to tie in thematically with the idea that she can't commit, yet she can't leave Sawyer. Good lord. Talk about derivitive and trite.

End of Season 2 gave me hope that they would put their differences aside and realize that they need to band together.

But no, just like X-Files (which at least waited five seasons before starting to suck), they just drag on the theories that they can't answer and think they can string along an audience and never have a satisfying ending.

I have to say, I could use 13 weeks off from Lost.

pJ

minnesotawriter said...

Sorry for the spoiler Dennis, I just thought us devout Lost fans would listen to the creator's podcast, where they blatantly mention a certain actor/actress and his/her contract.

Gomen nasai.

minnesotawriter said...

Thanks Goog!

ib4uc said...

blueheron13... I was thinking that the list was Goodwin's also.

But, what if it was Jacob's? And Jacob is amongst the Losties incognito? Just a thought (maybe not a good one)...

ib4uc said...

tlcm... how are ya doing? Good to see/read you here.

blueheron13 said...

isibell,

Yes, it appears likely now that Ben is Alex's dad, at least in a foster sense. I doubt that he is the biological father, though.

My theory is that one of the Island's properties is to render it's inhabitants incapable of having children (at least since the "incident" happened, anyway). Hence the Others' desire to abduct all the children. It could also explain Juliet's presence on the island. I believe, just as with Kelvin & Radzinsky in the hatch, that she was imported to the island relatively recently (in the 1990's). The Others needed some extra assistance: someone to keep pushing the damn button, and someone to try to solve their fertility issues.

However, Juliet and Kelvin were probably not told one key bit of information: you can help save the world, but once you arrive, you can never leave.

Ratmanislost said...

I agree PJ!
It has been interesting to see how the "Others" (In quotes because I am still expecting TPTB to tell me there is another "bad" group on the island)live, but they do need to start moving the plot along.
We all know enough of the story line for them to move on with it. I mean, with all the access Jack had for Q and A sessions, why has he not asked who they are? Why has Ben lived there for so long? What do they do there? Why all the anger towards the survivors? Instead, you get the same rebel without a cause...yelling and pouting and throwing tantrums. Also, why do they have to break Jack, Sawyer and Kate???? If the others really need them for something (like Jack and the operation) why don't they treat them well and get on their better side???? It does not make sense to make them enemies first and then have to break them for them to be compliant. They could have easily convinced them that their actions were justified because there is a "bad" group of others out there and they need to make sure the survivors were not part of them....
I know I am rambling on this, but this was a weak start after last years cliffhanger.
I really don't mind the wait until February, but this season will be a major factor for me as I will decide whether to get off the ride or continue on the trip.

blueheron13 said...

ib4uc,

Isn't it interesting how one little comment, like "Shephard wan't even on Jacob's list", can generate so much speculation? To me, those little lines are a big part of what makes Lost simultaneously exciting and frustrating. Exciting because we have more plot to consider. Frustrating because we know we won't get complete answers for a long time!

minnesotawriter said...

Lost is great, and the writing has been great thus far...I say, let's stay on board and let Damon and Carlton (is it a spoiler to mention the writers? I mean, they do WRITE the show...) take us where they want the show (and us) to go...

DeDJeZTeR said...

I have to say that I believe that Goodwin = Jacob. Goodwin isn't really a first name kinda name, IMO. Maybe this is who he was reffering to when he said Jacob. But if this is the case, of course he wasn't on the list because that would have been a list of the tailies not the main Lostaways.

All in all this episode sucked, They pumped it up and then let it go flat. It was luke warm at best and never really made it to hot. It didn't jump the shark but stopped short just before it. If the next episode doesn't give us the goods it will fall over the shark and stay there in my opinion.

Dark A - Been there too. I agree with everyone else... go for the gas, thats the good stuff. I too have immunities to the CAIN family of pain killers (Novacain,Idacain, Lidacain) none of them work on me either. If you have the same problem you have probly noticed that Advil doesn't work that well either. lol

I dont think Ben is Alex's Dad, but he may have been her gaurdian on the island. She may have been screaming his name because he really is the good one and I think this may be the case since we have never seen him out of the Hydra Station... have we?

Can anyone tell me what is so exclusive about those Amex things... I have seen them and they are just recaps of the episodes as far as I can tell. Nothing is ever new or exclusive. I think it's a rip-off.

Well what to do for thirteen weeks. I can't stand Tay diggs so I might not watch his show, but since I hate changing my VCR timers I may end up watching it anyway...lol

C-ya
DeD

scoutpost said...

Ratmanislost said...
Also, why do they have to break Jack, Sawyer and Kate???? If the others really need them for something (like Jack and the operation) why don't they treat them well and get on their better side???? It does not make sense to make them enemies first and then have to break them for them to be compliant.

I agree this doesn't make sense. But perhaps this lends a clue as to who the others might be or what their motives are. I would think that they really think they are "good" but that the rest of the world would have a different view, so the only way to do anything is to brainwash/break people in order to get them to do what they want and/or join them? just speculating here.

capcom said...

Right Blue, "You can check in any time you like, but you can never leave" :-) And I'm starting to suspect that in addition to "we won't get complete answers for a long time", if Lost doesn't last for 10 seasons, there are a lot of answers that we'll never get (unless TPTB write a book for us called "Everything You Wanted To Know About Lost"). I'm not a happy camper, been-there-done-that with the X-Files, even though TPTB swear in interviews that they are not going to X-File-us. I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm with you Ded, Jacob could be Goodwin's first name, although, he was never in contact with the Fusies (didn't live long enough), but it's still a possibility?

Man, I love all of everyone's ideas!!

mountain girl said...

Capcom, I also thought at first that Jack agreed to the surgery after seeing Kate and Sawyer all snuggly because he was jealous or upset that Kate chose against him. But once he pulled the trick with Ben's kidney and asked to talk to Kate on the walky-talky, I believe he decided to do the surgery to help Kate and Sawyer. I think the image of the two of them desperately clinging to each other in a cage (his first view of them in a cage) moved Jack to want to help them.

DeDJeZTeR said...

I can see your point there scout and Ratmanislost, but I think the reason they need to break them is because they have already deemed themselves as the enemy. With the kidnappings and such they have brought forward the hostile nature of the lostaways and therefore need to break them of this hostile intent in order to get anywhere with them. And it is only jack that they wanted to break IMHO.

Amused2bHere said...

Wow, what a cliffhanger! I think I'll refuse to what Daybreak just on principle that it's not LOST. I know someone will post the little teasers somewhere...shh!! don't tell TPTB...


So many good points made. My little bit:

Did we ever learn Goodwin's first name? could he be Jacob Goodwin? nah, he would have made a list of the Taillies, not Jack's group. Hmm, then I vote for Jacob being "Him".

They took JackKateSawyer to break Jack and get him to do the surgery. The Others really think they have to con everyone. Like Locke said to his dad about the kidney, all they had to do was ask and Jack would have done it. But the elaborate cons just made Jack say no. (And btw, I keep coming back to HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO SURGERY WITHOUT A WORKING CRASH CART?. Please excuse the shouting, this is just too mindboggling for me.)

I think Kate was told that if she ran away they would kill Sawyer. That's why she won't leave without him. That is why she has been passive, she looks like she's keeping secrets from Sawyer (if you tell him what we said/did to you, we'll kill him.)

more later, this is already too long...

clumsymegs said...

Here's an idea to throw out there regarding the two islands, not sure if it's been discussed yet: I'm betting there is a tunnel.

1. The Hydra Station has to be submerged to some degree. I'm betting Jack is halfway out between Alcatraz and the Island.
2. If you were setting up operations on two close islands, wouldn't you want there to be a permanent, but controlled access point? A tunnel is got to be one of the safest ways to do that.
3. I don't think the Others are stuck on Alcatraz, nor do I think it makes sense that they all rely on a single sub/rickety boat. You never know when weather could prevent a crossing, so if I was the DI, I would have made something more reliable.

If there is a tunnel I'm betting we get a wicked scene of Jack, Kate and Sawyer running through it back to the Island. Maybe with flooding waters at their heels.

PS. Midnightstrider, I also was very happy to see the captain from Firefly.

capcom said...

Hmmmmmmmm, excellent point Mountain Girl!!

tlcm said...

ib4uc

I'm doing well, but I start back on chemo tomorrow morning. it's been a nice week off.

I'm not sure about Jacob's list. I mean just think about Ms Klugh's list. She knew they needed Jack for Ben's surgery so that means Ben either was on his way to ask Jack for help and got caught in Danielle's trap or he got caught on purpose. So they knew that Jack was a surgeon before Ben started for the swan hatch. Maybe they found out about Jack from Walt? I just can't get my brain around the time line here.

the tailies killed three others, right? Eko killed two the first night and Ana killed one two weeks later. So we know that Goodwin some how got a message back to the camp or the others got the names from the first captives and wrote the list that ana found. we don't know exactly when ana became suspicious of goodwin but I'd say it's safe to assume it was after nathan escaped/died. Maybe jacob was one of the others that Eko killed?

Okay I just remembered that Micheal was gone for about two weeks before coming back and killing ana and libby. Ben or Julie told jack that the x-ray was a week old. so Micheal could have told them about jack but he wasn't with the others for the entire two weeks. from what we saw he was at the fake camp only a day or so and Ms. Klugh already had jack's name on a list.

I'm rambling

too many list, and lies, and tigers and polar bears (oops sorry no tigers yet)

mountain girl said...

tlcm - tigers? is that a spoiler? just kidding!

LifeObstacle said...

Happy day after LOST day!

capcom, re: jumping the dharma shark, see http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/11/01

clumsymegs, I wonder if "sub" was referring to an underwater tunnel and not an actual submarine.

Also just wanted to say in Rachel font WAY TO GO JACK! I think this is a sign of him becoming a true leader by doing what is right, rather than a doctor sworn to protect all life.

DeDJeZTeR said...

Others and tigers and bears oh my
Others and tigers and bears oh my
OTHERS AND TIGERS AND BEARS OH MY

LOL

DeDJeZTeR said...

If the SUB was reffering to a tunnel... how did it return???

ib4uc said...

dedjezter... I was thinking:

Others and boars and bears, oh my :)

tlcm said...

has anyone tried to pull up lostpedia today? I'm trying now to see their timeline but I keep getting a time out error.

dedjezter
my thoughts exactly.......

tlcm said...

we're definitely not in Kansas anymore

LifeObstacle said...

Maybe the SUB group returned, as in group going underground? I dunno.

If there is a submarine with a Dharma logo, maybe it is designed to look like a shark :)

mightybk said...

i believe my original theory from a few months back is still correct:

the Others are subjects of the DI experiments, and they way they are living their lives on the island(s) are directly tied to the experiments.
I think that Mr. Eyepatch is a true DI scientist that has gone mad and is perverting the experiments for some other reason.

mountain girl said...

mightybk, that's an interesting theory. how do you account for the fact that the Others refere to themselves as scientists (that's what Ben told Locke in the hatch last season) and that many of them do seem to have medical training and that they like to conduct experiments (like on Walt)?

Dennis said...

ib4uc said... But, what if it was Jacob's? And Jacob is amongst the Losties incognito? Just a thought (maybe not a good one)...

Jacob couldn't be among the fuselage losties, because he would have been outed by Hurley's census, like Ethan. And they would have noticed someone new.

I don't think Jacob can be Goodwin, since he would have only had the tailies on his list, so Jack wouldn't have been on it anyways.

I think it must be Mr. Patchy. He was probably in the Pearl Station, until it was found, monitoring the swan station and making lists. Now he's moved to another station (the flame?), and Locke is going to go north looking for him.


DeDJeZTeR said... Can anyone tell me what is so exclusive about those Amex things... I have seen them and they are just recaps of the episodes as far as I can tell. Nothing is ever new or exclusive. I think it's a rip-off.

You get what you pay for :) Actually, the video are just recaps, but I think there has been a few interesting questions and screenshots. Most Lost fans are not part of a massive think-tank like TLC, so there is a lot of insight for those people.


mountain girl said...I believe he decided to do the surgery to help Kate and Sawyer. I think the image of the two of them desperately clinging to each other in a cage (his first view of them in a cage) moved Jack to want to help them.

I like that theory. It's like the cliche line "If you really love me, you'll let me go". He loves Kate, but when he realizes that she loves Sawyer, he decides he has to help her and save Sawyer.

He must trust Ben much more than Juliet now, because he could have let Ben die quietly, and Juliet said she would help him. By "disobeying" Juliet, he will have to save Ben in order to get any kind of deal now.

mountain girl said...

Hi Dennis, I think Jack's move showed that he trusts neither Ben nor Juliet and realized he has to get the upper hand on both. It's nice for once to see a Lostie have some common sense and come to the same conclusion most of us have come to!

Cam794 said...

HEY EVEREYONE!!!!!!! any1 here?

memphish said...

Capcom - you talked about the interaction between Jack and Kate in Jack's cell and Jack getting so upset so fast. Notice that Jack keeps looking at the camera. He knows they're being watched. I think that reaction was purely for Ben's sake, and to a degree, it worked. It annoyed Ben and he had Kate pulled out of there.

Goog - as to who's going to stop watching if major characters die, sign me up for the "I'll stop watching if they kill Jack," list.

Dennis, this is my own speculation based on TPTB's statement at Comicon that they're going to do something "mindblowing" mid-season (which I do not think meant last night). I'm not sure where that falls in the spoiler definitions. If I should remove this let me know, but since July I've been thinking that they are going to kill Jack and maybe even Kate and Sawyer too. Thus after 2 1/2 years of being invested in these characters I'm going to find out the show isn't really about Jack, but about Desmond.

And finally, on the speculation that the Others want Kate and Sawyer to mate. I think they may know about Clementine and they want Kate with Sawyer because he has proven to be fertile. Is Jack? Sarah's pregnancy test was negative, allegedly. (Also, is Kate? Her test was negative too.)

Ratmanislost said...

hvDedjester and Scout... you might be right on all terms, but think of this....
If, right after Ben lets Michael and his son leave, Ben turns to the 3 of them and explains that they are not evil but good. Tells them that their purpose on the island is to "whatever" and that things just got confused because the "bad" others got involved... I bet things would have had gone differently.... It can still be part of their con, but without the violence.

mightybk said...

Mountain Girl -

I don't deny the fact that some of them are scientists (Ben, Juliet) but some of them dont seem to be (Pickett, Mr Friendly). I think they were all brought to the island to do some kind of work in their respective field. But I believe that there are one or more scientists that are 'driving the bus' (Him/Mr Eyepatch).

Dennis said...

DeDJeZTeR said... If the SUB was reffering to a tunnel... how did it return???

Maybe it is a SUBWAY tunnel, and the "stations" are train stations.

mountain girl said...

mightybk -

I completely agree. I think Ben is the leader 'in the trenches' but there are more powerful people really driving what the Others do.

tlcm said...

Dennis, would you please save poor charlotte?

I'm going to stick to the idea that Jack and Kate have a pack (Sawyer has to know about it too, even though we didn't see him give "the look") and Jack is acting on that agreement with Ben's life hanging. some how this is going to get the three of them out of the clutches of the others. I don't know how they will get back to the lost island but I speculate that Alex will play a part in it.

I have to admit with Ben asking about Alex I wonder if we've gotten the wrong idea of him. I mean we see Alex as a "good" person, right? If she thought she would get the truth from Ben, you have to think that maybe he is the one to trust and it's Julia that's not so "good."

so I'm right back to where I was...

Others, and tigers, and bears, Oh may.....

mountain girl said...

In terms of Juliet being the not so good one, I was struck last night by the way she said to Jack that she's been following orders all of her life. Ben's orders? Dharma's orders? I wonder.

JGZ350 said...

Good afternoon all-

I have watched last night episode twice and hate to say that it did not live up to all the hype. I was afraid ABC was hyping this episode up too much. It was a good episode, but by far 'The Cost of Living' was the best episode of Season 2.5. Although Lost didn't jump the Dharma Shark, I do belive the show is starting to look familiar to one of my all time favorite tv shows, 'The X-Files'. Way too many questions being posed and not enough answers. The tension at the end of the episode was good, but not quite what I expected. From what I gathered from 'I Do' is that they are still on Falcatraz and the focus hasn't been shifted back to the original island. What part of the game got fundamentally changed? Listening to the Lost official podcast, I thought there was going to be some big reveal of jaw hitting the floor moment. Did I miss something?

Jacob is not Goodwin or Mr. patchy. I think Jacob is a player to be named later.

Even though I was somewhat disappointed by last night's episode, I patiently wait for 2/7/07 for the return of Lost. I hope there are some major payoffs in the first episode, 'Not In Portland', of the real Season 3 or I fear the natives will definitely become restless.

Do you think 'I Do' was the best episode of season 2.5?

memphish said...

jgz350 - my favorite epi was Every Man For Himself - I loved the pace of it, the switches between groups, and the relatively short flashback

mountain girl said...

I'm forgetting the names of the episodes, but my favorites were the season premiere (loved finding out so much new info about the Others) and the Sawyer episode.

tlcm said...

Every Man For Himself was my favorite so far too...

That was a big reveal at the end!!!

we didn't get that last night.

mountain girl said...

Seems like the ones we like best are the ones with reveals, whether about the Others or Sawyer. That's what was missing from last night and most of the episodes this season. I enjoyed the mini-season a lot, don't get me wrong, but I am frustrated by the ratio of new questions to answers to old questions. I wish there had been a few more answers!

ib4uc said...

jgz350... it's hard to say what my favorite episode is -- I just love Lost!

This season, so far, Jack has been at the mercy of Ben & Juliet and became a wimp. Then, last night, Jack grew some nads and turned the tables first on Ben, when he told him he wasn't going to operate on him, then on Juliet, when he didn't follow her plan to kill Ben. He had his own plan.

That, to me, was the turning point of the season so far.

Dennis said...

Not to step on Mavens toes....

The ratings for Wednesday night are in. We'll have to wait to see how it did compared to other nights.

Lost (9:00-10:00 p.m.)

The fall finale of Lost dominated its time period and stood as Wednesdays No. 1 TV show in the key Adult 18-49 sales demographic for the 6th week in a row (on each of its telecasts this season), defeating second-place CBS Criminal Minds in the slot by 37% (7.0/17 vs. 5.1/12). The margin of victory for Lost over CBS older skewing Criminal Minds was an even wider 59% among Adults 18-34 (5.9/16 vs. 3.7/10)...
...
In its fall finale Lost attracted its second-largest audience (17.1 million) this season, behind only its season opener on 10/4/06
...
For the 6th week in a row, Lost qualified as Wednesdays No. 1 TV show in each of the key adult demos (AD18-34 5.9/16, AD18-49 7.0/17 and AD25-54 7.8/17) and in Teens 12-17 (4.2/13).

Dennis said...

LOL! That was from ABC's press release. Look at CBS's press release:

"CRIMINAL MINDS" BEATS THE HIGHLY PROMOTED FALL FINALE OF "LOST" IN VIEWERS -- THE SECOND STRAIGHT WEEK CBS'S SOPHOMORE DRAMA HAS TOPPED THE ABC SERIES

LifeObstacle said...

Like TLCM, I also think Alex will be playing a big part in Kate & Sawyer's rescue. I'm hoping they all meet up and devise a plan to save Jack. Also Alex would know how to use any sub or tunnel or monorial or whatever may move between islands. She definitely has a ton of useful information.

If Alex and Locke ever got together and shared info, the others would really be in for it. It might even cause their downfall. But I don't think that will happen anytime soon

ib4uc said...

dennis... it's just like those damn politician-bashing commercials we've been subjected to these past couple of months -- one says one thing about the other and the other says the opposite.

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