ANNOUNCEMENT #1 - SPOILERS (PLEASE READ CAREFULLY):
Because there has been dispute over the definition of spoilers and much discussion about whether or not spoilers should be included in this blog, we have come up with the following clear and "final" standards that we now ask all of our commenters to try their best to adhere to as they post their thoughts on this blog. If you see commenters deviating from these standards, please patiently guide them to or remind them of the contents of this post.
LET IT BE KNOWN...
Comments containing content that this community has defined as "spoiler" material is highly discouraged on this blog. Please be very sensitive and thoughtful when posting in the comments not to include or allude to information about not-yet-aired episodes that fits the following description of spoilers.
- Contents of the US promo that airs immediately after an episode of Lost ARE NOT spoilers.
- Contents of subsequent US promos and/or Canadian promos ARE spoilers.
- Personal speculations on what might happen (based solely on past episodes) ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT spoilers.
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I would like to proudly welcome a new addition to The Lost Community administrative team. In addition to David (Administrator), Thrasher76, and Belly0fDesire, we have added Dennis to our team of blog administrators. Dennis will help us steer conversations towards the positive, answer administrative questions, delete any comments containing profanity or flaming,and edit the frontpage content in the case of typos or other errors. Thank you Dennis for being willing and eager to serve the community in this way!
THE COST OF LIVING - SEASON 3, EPISODE 4
And now, on top of the excessive announcements and announcement related discussion, this is your thread to chat up the exciting developments of this week's episode. Please don't get so beat down by the spoiler discussions that you forget to enjoy watching the coolest show on television and engaging with the coolest fans in the world!
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Second!
third! w00t w00t!
hey congrats dennis!
Okay guys, I worked hard on this all day. Tried to incorporate all opinions and positions. Tried to be as detailed and thorough as possible without going psycho. I gotta head out now but will check in again later tonight. Hope everyone is cool with the "definitions" and "standards" we've laid out. Hope it helps us feel free to stop having this discussion and to focus on the FUN STUFF!
Can't wait for the episode!
*poof*
Way to go admins! Spoilers are obviously a complex and touchy subject, or else we wouldn't need such a long definition. I hope that everyone, even if they disagree with the definition, will abide by our new community rule.
Dennis,
Congrats on your promotion!
Two questions about the spoiler guidelines:
1. Why are there question marks after guidelines 4 and 5?
2. Based on the comments at the end of the previous post, I am wondering: Should we or should we not post comments that inform others when new info is available at a spoiler site (like EW.com)? Obviously, we shouldn't discuss anything from a spoiler site, but what about mentioning that something new is out there? Is that OK or not good?
Great work Admins, thanks for all your efforts. Congrats Dennis! Have fun.
blueheron13,
1. refresh the page. The question marks should be gone. Copy & Paste error.
2. I think commenters should feel free to say something like this, "Hey, new spoiler info posted at spoilerfix.com. If you like spoilers, check it out but REMEMBER NOT TO DISCUSS IT IN THIS FORUM." I think you have to SHOUT the last part in all caps. Also, IMHO, if someone advertises spoiler info here, they should take personal responsibility for making sure nobody brings that up on the blog.
Okay *poof* for real.
I don't think that we have ever had problems with referencing sites with future episode or spoiler info, those are fun if one likes to see them. I do sometimes.
But some posters forget the spoiler guidelines and think that just because a site is mentioned, that the information is open for free discussion before the ep has aired, just so that they can be the first to post the info. Not kosher. :-)
That is the main spoiler problem that we've had this season.
Thanks for the clarification. I am so looking forward to dropping the spoiler subject.
Cam794, blueheron13, Capcom said...
Congrats on your promotion!
Thanks everyone. I really love this blog, and I'm glad I can help out in any way.
..............:********( i liked spoilers.........dam
Hey Y'all,
Happy Lost Day!
Nice avitars Dennis and Cam. One time I 8 a Bear!
Dig Y'all Later
So, without getting all spoilery, what does everyone expect to see in a few hours?
I hope we find out what the Others want with Jack, and I don't think they just want his doctor skills. I really believe they want him to be part of their group for the long run.
Hi everyone! Just got home and decided to see how everyone is. Man, only 2 hours left for me, can't wait!
One thing im going to have to be careful about is that im in Canada so when I watch it, I get the canadian promo so it's going to be a little hard to remember that not everyone has seen it.
I think the Others will want Jack for his surgical skills, but I still can't guess why they would want Sawyer. I really don't think they need a con man. As Ben said, the Others view themselves as superior at conning. Maybe there is something in Sawyer's blood that they need? And he needs to be able to donate it willingly? Hmmm. I'm not sure that even makes sense now that I type it.
LifeObstacle- i think Mr.Eyepatch is Radzinsky it could be a past video not a live feed.
With Jack i think they just brought him there to help Benry with his tumor.
And dam hmm is the survivor death a spoiler well if it is REALLY SRY but i think Eko (since it is his flashback) or Sayid i dont kno y for sayid i just have a feeling
Sunbruise, Canada gets the episodes on the same day, right?
What about our UK friends - are they not able to participate at all because the schedule is different?
I think they will use Jacks surgical skills, Sawyer to con one of the castaways since the Others can't and Kate to make Jack and Sawyer to what they want since they both care for her.
sunbruise do you have a link for the canadian promo eh? lol.....eh
LifeObstacle-the uk wont see it fopr another 2 weeks according to lostpedia
Lifeobstacle- Yeah, canada's is on the same day but its on one hour before the US.
Sunbruise, I think the others could con the losties. Once you con Sawyer you can con anyone.
Saywer is the type of guy that you'd want to keep close to you. He's the dangerous one. Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer, right?
But also, I think Locke is more dangerous than anyone thinks. The others should have snapped him up too.
Well i mean I know the Others can do it but it would be easier for Sawyer since he know them, like what they did with Micheal.
Congrats Dennis!! Welcome aboard!! If i did not work so much, I know I did before, I could do more and add more. I have ZERO access to a PC at work and and I have a ton to get accomplished. Moving closer to work in 2 weeks, and getting married in a month!!! But I still read up and add when and where I can. Enjoy the episode tonight all!!
Shameless plug: Many have asked that I create a myspace page through out the experience, well, I finally broke down and made one. Don't get all excited it is heavily Transformer realated, mainly because I did not know what else to make it, but when I do it will be more about me.
My page is at Thrasher76.
And I honestly think Locke is the most danerous person on the island, but he doesnt really show it. Eko is pretty danerous to though.
Errr, sorry it has been awhile since I posted html here....try it here, Thrasher76
I give up!!
www.myspace.com/thrasher76
Big congrats to Dennis! You deserve it!
Thanks to David for spelling everything out in detail. Hopefully, this has been put to rest finally!
Looking forward, as usual, to tonight's episode. Keep hoping more and more answers will be given....LOL! See everyone who's left after the westcoast feed.
Re: Eko, anyone who can stop Smoky in his tracks is a force to be reckoned with.
One thing I still dont understand is how in season one in did Smokey rip up the pilot? Its just a cloud of black smoke right?
Oh man, I dont know if I can take it. I found a site that says that they know who is going to die, it is so tempting to read but I do nt what it spoiled!
yo thrasher add me!
Sunbruise: Don't do it! It's just a few hours! You can make it, we're here for you!
SUNBRUISE TELL ME PLEASE WAT IS THE URL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im not going to look but dont say or give clues as to who it is if you choose to read it, the site is Humpys.net.
I hope it's Pablo or Nekki. There not suppose to be there!
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
i can not beleive it and i wont until i see it with my own eyes man im mad at my self now......crap now im regreting that
Cam, I was burned by some of those last season. Take it with a grain of salt. Might not be right. (But if it is correct, I want to know, after the episode airs.)
Was the thing with Michale and Libby absolutly nowone knew about that right? cuz evry1 seemed REALLY surprised about it.
aweman im about to cry........:*(.............man
Please! stop talking about! I dont want to get ideas and theories based on your reactions!
Well, I'm flapping on out of here. See you tomorrow. I'm sure everything I will want to say about the episode will already have been discussed for many hours!
Dennis,
Congrats! Not to be picky, but the main page is kinda messed up. I think the word "Announcement" isn't lined up correctly and it has pushed everything in the right hand column down.
Cam794, ... Did you read what the Admin said?? PLEASE, DO NOT DISCUSS SPOILER LINKS IN THE COMMENTS!
Administrator said... I think commenters should feel free to say something like this, "Hey, new spoiler info posted at spoilerfix.com. If you like spoilers, check it out but REMEMBER NOT TO DISCUSS IT IN THIS FORUM." I think you have to SHOUT the last part in all caps. Also, IMHO, if someone advertises spoiler info here, they should take personal responsibility for making sure nobody brings that up on the blog.
Please delete any spoiler posts. Thanks.
ITS NOT A SPOILER!!!! i never said who was going to die!
Yay Dennis, that's like your first official admin job duties post!
Ya but based on your reactions, you can get some idea.
ib4uc said...Congrats! Not to be picky, but the main page is kinda messed up. I think the word "Announcement" isn't lined up correctly and it has pushed everything in the right hand column down.
Thanks. I don't see a problem in Firefox, it only seems to be broken in Internet Explorer. I'll see what I can do...
Reposted from the previous comments...
For everyone with bad spelling (myself included!)...
The newest version of FireFox 2.0, has built-in spell check. It automatically underlines misspelled words as you are typing your comments. You can right-click the misspelled words, and it will correct them for you.
If you don't already use Firefox (instead of Internet Explorer), you should check it out. It is more secure than IE, has less pop-ups, and more features (and doesn't break the front page :)
You can download it here: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
dennis,
Thanks! I figured since you're one of the head honchos now, you could fix it.
Yay! Go firefox, thats what I use!
An hour and a half!!!!! for us USA'rs
and ok ok i wont say anymore about some persons death ;)
Question about firefox... I'm currently running Explorer and if I download firefox, will I be able to choose which one to use?
Only 35 minutes for me, :). And I bet that they will end the episode with the monitor of the eyepatch guy.
ib4uc- Yes you can.
Last post of the day for me, I never have time to comment after the show so i'll see you all tomorrow! Bye!
Thanks sunbruise. I'm so used to Explorer and never heard of firefox until about a month ago. I'm always kind of leary to download programs on my computer that I know nothing about. I will have to look into it -- it sounds like something I would check into.
1 1/2 hours 'til showtime!
SunBruise said... And I bet that they will end the episode with the monitor of the eyepatch guy.
LOL! That would be awesome :)
Welcome back, Crossfade!
How did you survive with no internet for so long???
dennis,
The front page looks fine now.
Dennis/Sunpatch, they would do that too. We've been spending days talking about it, so of course it's going to be right before the credits role. Darn them!
wait Inside the Experience is still up!!! and current wtf i thot it was just for TLE and thats it o cool i didnt know!
ib4uc,
Did Dennis fix the problem? I've checked with 2 different browsers and on 2 different computers (Mac & PC) and don't see any problems. Sorry about that.
Cam,
Dennis is right. The issue isn't following the "letter of the law" but understanding and respecting the "spirit of the law". The idea is that you don't want to give away any sort of spoiler information in this forum. While you didn't share any specific information, your reaction to what you know may communicate more than you think. The more you freak out about who's going to die, the more we narrow down the list of people in our minds and the less fun we have watching the episode. Hope you understand.
hey crossfade wat do u think of my pic :) lol
ok admin I understand sorry if i spoiled anything for em :-/
well im gonna listen 2 DJ DAN LIVE BRODCAST # 2 cuz me bored ill still refresh tho so im still in da convo
Cam,
What is your myspace?
Welcome back crossfade!
http://www.myspace.com/102823953
how do u change ur url?
Administrator said... Did Dennis fix the problem?
Yeah, I got it.
yea crossfade 1 time i was with out da net for like 2 months during TLE and i was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lost (lol i said lost) when i came back
DJ DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!
crossfade... you need a fix only 3 time a week? Call me majorly addicted because I feel the need to check daily, if not hourly :)
Cam,
You're "I'm a Gold Digger" in myspace? I can't add you. You'll have to go to myspace.com/thelostexperienceclues and add me.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm thats weird admin anyway........
i cant add u either it says there makin changes so maybe later
45 mins ALL! at least for us USA'rs
28 mins! and i gtg take a shower so bbs
only 2 episodes left. i do admit, i think i liked the old system better.
mkay all im back and sean no after this theres only 1 episode left not 2 then the 3 month hiatus HOW AM I GOING TO LIVE!!!
p.s. 10 MINS GET YO TiVO READY!!! get the popcorn and put your 4 8 15 16 23 42 shirts on its allmost ime TO FIND OUT WHO IS GOING TO DIE...............but i already know..........hehe
Popcorn is popping!
ok. ill see you all in an hour.
enjoy the show.
2 mins ill talk 2 evry1 after the show BYE! oek
Oh my god, this was a good episode, just got over for me.
(in nigerian accent) Hello John
sunbruise dont ruin anything even tho i already kno who dies
wtf wait now Julleit mite be lying but she mite be telling the truth.............hmmmmmmmmmmm so thismis rather confusing maybe she's with The Other Resistance like Alex...........
all i can say is WOW.
So what on earth IS that smoke thing, weird.
this just proves that no one on the cast of lost is EVER safe.
and i guess the smoke can talk too.
maybe the smoke transfered into boone and yemi in the tent. it also probably burned the tent.
I had a feeling that was a live feed in the pearl station. Desmond seemed interested in eye patch guy.
I honestly don't think that any one of them can be trusted I think they're all liars. I didn't at the begining of season but now I think I'm changing my mind.
then the smoke probably was yemi though.
i dont know. im just thinking out loud.
but it explains all the hallucinations back to episode 1.
jack's father
dave
etc.
Remember the crossword Locke was doing way back in the beginning of Season 2? "Enkidu's friend"? Anyone know what happened to Enkidu in the Epic of Gilgamesh?
Well, if you saw tonight's episode, now you do.
Wow, lots to talk about this episode! Going to be kind of hard with all of these spoiler rules!
Well, this episode was obviously about Eko and his sins coming back to haunt him.
I also think that -spoiler Mcspoilety spoil spoil spoiler- happened because he said -spoil spoiler- instead of repen--spoiler.
And our friend from the Pearl Station monitors might resemble a certain Utnapishtim. Hit the Wikipedia, y'all, and know that we've got our obscure literary reference for at least 50% of this season.
OMFG OMFG OMFG BEST EPISODE EVER!
R.I.P
MR. EKO
OMGWTFBBQ CAM SPOILER ALERT!!!
i dont mean to sound ignorant, but who was the eye-patch guy again? he looks familiar, i just cant place it.
frogurt:i thot it was the swan when the promo first came on
thanks kenshinfan!
yea my best gues for Mr.Eyepatch-Radzinsky or somwone weve never even met before and well he has a computer nad hes knows that someowni s watching but.......y did he turn off the camera?
Oh my gosh Sean you're right, it's been that smoke thing all this time. Wow.
its called The Monster
kenshinfan, we havent seen him before? okay. i thought we did.
wow but how can it pick up yhings its only smoke!
I believed that many things, such as mauled by bear Eko talking to Locke, were caused by the smoke or the monster. I've noticed that when Eko collapsed, the smoke escaped through his mouth and nose, as if until then, it had carried him to that spot. Also, when the huge smoke was gaining on him after he drank the water, I think it disappeared becasue Locke and the others were coming, not because Eko looked back.
i guess it can morph into people, its not inconcievable that it could pick things up.
OMG i almost forgot when Ben was talking to Jack I HEARD THE MONSTER IN THE HYDRA!!!!!!!!!!! did any1 else does this mean they have 2 of em? and im sure i heard it bcuz i asked my mom sittin rite nxt to me and she said she heard it to. so they either have 2 monsers or THERE ON THE SAME ISLAND!
at least we "know" the smoke is nanites.
TLE wasnt a total waste.
kenshinfan-yes i did but the producers (aka DL & CC) said that it wasnt but there probly lying
I think that the smoke can't turn into humans. It can turn into other things such as the horse or the boar, but it can only possess humans, dead or alive.
there is still the mystery of where yemi's body went.
but really did ANY ANYONE ELSE HEAR MR.SMOKEY IN THE HYDRA!
No, I didn't hear it Cam.
Sean, maybe Yemi's body was missing because the smoke monster was possessing it?
kinshinfan65
The first time I saw Juliet I thought she looked a lot like Jack'sex.
I think they want him to feel comfotable with her,familiar that's why they chose her. They thought he would start to trust her because she'd start to remind him of his ex wife.
If you can believe Ben.
Radzinsky is the community favorite guess for the eye-patch man. But, as has been said already, we don't know for sure.
If he looks familiar, perhaps it's because (to me) he looked like Ron Perlman, of Hellboy and the Alien movies.
frogurt-yea maybe the Mr.Smokey went inside yemis body and took control but OMG wen the monster was like high up in the air before it grabbed eko DID YOU SEE HOW BIG IT WAS!!!! ITS FLIPPIN HUGE compared to the little glipse in The 23rd Pslam i think it can make it self bigger or maybe! it can split it self itno diffenrnt peices explaining the noise i head in the hydra and how small it is in some screens
speaking of the hydra, we have to hope that benry doesnt find those que cards.
sayid'sgirl, jacksex? lol
nikki and paulo will probably be temporary characters like arzt.
hopefully, they wont have the same fate.
to me i call Alex and Julleit and who knows how many more The Other Resistance
Think about it, cam. It doesn't require much education to know that gas can spread. It can be concentrated into a small space or thinned out into a larger one. That's probably how it works. But then again, maybe the omnster just resides outside of normal physics and logic.
Where can I torrent The Cost of Living???
Also, I think Eye-patch-man killed the camera because he noticed the blinking red light that goes on that is apparent in so many video sruveillance units.
kenshin yea we can call it TOR and frogurt well u never know ANYTHING can happen in lost as weve found out tonight RIP Mr.EKO
oh2dc said...
sean, i hope you're right about them being temporary; perhaps they'll end up as sacrifices to mr. smokey
in lost, it never hurts to have expendable characters.
Alright lostinfogurt :)
I was just going to say sorry for the bad spelling and spacing. My cat jumped in my lap and I lost track. How's this Jack's ex better ;)
Reminder: the old episode threads can provide useful information. Bear in mind that Locke did not find the glass eye. The Tailies found that in the Arrow Station. The producers have said that the monster is NOT a nano-bot entity. They don't lie like that, so I think we can take that as gospel.
Where'd all the regulars from TLEC go?
but Y GET RID OF HIM he was my FAVORITE! y not like jjin or vincent OR AARON nowone that winey little thing waking all the lostaways in the night
thebookpolice-i was a regular and im still here im faithful in all my homies up in hea
yea but me and my mom were just talkin and we were sayin that mayb Julleit just wants to get rid of Ben and shell take over.........
i was a TLE regular, and im still here.
occasionally.
kenshinfan65 - That's your call, but you're missing out on some good stuff. They are the ones that make the show, after all.
sean, cam794 - That's right, I remember you guys. The vibe is a little different over here, though.
I'm probably way off but I get the feeling eye patch guy is the one who was smoking cigarettes in the Peal Station last season.
sayidsgirl-no actually that could be right there could be like a secret room somwere in the pearl and thats were they guy hid. also SINCE WEN WAS THERE A BATROOM in it! they never showed it bfore
lol kenshin i kno wat u mean my mind is always all mushy when im finished watching lost
o i found out somthin about a black/white connection Locke saw a WHITE light and Eko saw the BLACK smoke monster.also
After Eko's death, the only surviving member of the Tailies is Bernard, excluding those who went missing and are presumed to be captured by the Others or dead.
Eko is only the second person to be officially killed by the monster. The first being the pilot.
From LOSTpedia, the producers (see, kenshinfan?) have stated that the cigarette found by Locke and Eko in The Pearl Station was still burning when they arrived. Perhaps Ol' One Eye isn't in The Pearl when they see him on the monitor, but rather just that he's not far away. Considering that the eye was found in The Arrow, and there's one hypothetical hatch between The Pearl and The Arrow, perhaps he's in that one.
Re: black smoke/white light...If Locke saw white light, then what Eko saw were the people he felt responsible for killing (which is why his response to Locke is "that is not what I saw"). Everyone sees the black smoke.
kenshinfan - There is an overall story arc already in place for the show. When the producers have given us something in the past, it's because they want us to know it. I don't think they've "leaked" anything that wasn't already bound to happen. But it's your prerogative.
at the start of "The Cost of Living" (after the flashback in the teaser) a shot of Mr Eko' CLOSED EYE was shown, as opposed to the open eye shots used in several episodes. his closed eye could have been the sighn of DEATH
maybe Mr.Eyepatch's hatch is The Flame?! hmmmmmmmmmmmm the producers did say the losties were going to find and explore The Flame is season 3
yea did every1 see the backround bhind Julleit during the que card sceen it was like a kitchen also i thot that cheese burger sceen was nice lol after being on an island for 71 days with out a cheese burger i think i would die also wen the losties had ben captive he said to locke "No cheese burgeres huh?"
http://www.lostpedia.com/images/c/c6/Mystery_Pirate.JPG heres the only limk to Mr.Eyepatch pic i could find can any1 enhance it?
Yes definatly the best lost to date..........hands down.......
alright all im tired i need sleep after this riviting episode talk to you all in the a.m. night!
Hey All,
Just finished watching for the first time. Two words immediately come to mind. (I aplogize for the french in advance) HOLY S%@T! Going back to watch 3 to 4 more times. This one will generate some great discussion.
First observation; I love Locke quoting Ecko and not being easily duped for once in his life. "Don't mistake coincidence for fate."
Talk to you all in a while.
Wow what an amazing story. I thought it might be Eko's demise, mainly 'cause Adewale is scheduled to appear on Regis and Kelly's show tomorrow. Sad to see him die. :'(
The following are just random points, and all IMHO:
Bathroom in the Pearl? Of course there is one! Think about it.
Nikki and Paolo? Give them time, we will see their involvement and why we need them. More characters, more flashbacks, more Lost connections.
Charlie still gets the best lines.
So now we know why Eko was building a church. He owed Yemi one.
Final thought: Is Juliet for real? or is this still part of the plan to con Jack? I don't trust the Others, and I have a suspicion that they figured out they were not getting to Jack through Juliet, so they are going a different way. Are they testing him to see if he'll agree to let Ben die, or if he would refuse to not do his best for a patient?
How are they going to do complicated surgery with such awful conditions? Not even the crash cart works. What else are they missing? This surgery would be tricky even in a state of the art hospital...he's supposed to do this in the dirty Hydra Station?
Give me a break!
Hmmm....
Sterling: it sure looked to me like he was familiar to Desmond!
Gilgamesh Update!!
In the story traditionally known as the Epic of Gilgamesh (and bear in mind that I'm paring it WAY down because I'm not an expert, just a little educated), Gilgamesh is a king who begins to lose faith in his worth to his society, and in his importance in life. He meets a wild man named Enkidu, who in previous tablets was a protector of animals and the weak, and thwarted hunters' attempts to trap and kill animals. Enkidu and Gilgamesh became good friends, and brothers in arms. They hunted and killed the monster, Humbaba, which was seen as a great affront to the gods. Humbaba, before dying, cursed Gilgamesh and Enkidu, saying that one would die for this attack. They also, after being provoked by one of the more impetuous gods, slew the Bull of Heaven. This act, however, put them both in the bad graces of the gods. The gods determined that one should die (fulfilling Humbaba's curse), and chose Enkidu. Enkidu falls ill, and in his death throes, he describes the Underworld to Gilgamesh. Motivated by watching Enkidu's death and slow decay, Gilgamesh is determined to find immortality. He seeks out Utnapishtim (the Babylonian version of Noah), a mystical survivor of a world-destroying flood. He traverses the Waters of Death with Urshanabi, the Boatman, and finds Utnapishtim. While Utnapishtim tells Gilgamesh of a way to achieve immortality, Gilgamesh discovers (tragically) that it is unattainable in the literal sense. Only through works and civilization can a man hope to be immortal.
So, we have Locke as Gilgamesh, Eko as Enkidu, Humbaba as the Smoke Monster, the Swan Station as the Bull of Heaven One-Eyed Man as Urshanabi (I misspoke before), and ______ as the ancient and wise Utnapishtim. Fans of the Lost Experience might have a guess to fill in that blank, but I think that would be too much to hope for.
It doesn't necessarily fit with my Gilgamesh theory, but don't be shocked if we find that One-Eyed Man has some sort of control over the Smoke Monster, as well as an ability of remote viewing something between Walt's and Desmond's abilities.
I love Locke quoting Ecko and not being easily duped for once in his life. "Don't mistake coincidence for fate."
Here's my comments after watching a second time.
1. Black Smoke: Absolutely amazing. There is so much potential imagery with this scene, then all the logical questions. Guess we know how it kills people. Great effects.
Did the smoke take Yemi's form, or did Yemi renounce Ecko for not confessing? Not sure which way to lean yet. Why did the smoke read Ecko's thoughts last encounter and kill him this one? Was the smoke acting as the hand of God, or did it figure out a way for Ecko to fear it since he didn't seem phased the first time?
If smokey can cause halluciantions, is the smoke what transformed into Dave, Jack's dad, & Kate's horse? Is that what Ecko meant by "We're Next"?
And what the hell is the smoke, and how do the others control it? How do the others have no fear of that thing? I was scared and I know it's fake.
One of the best LOST scenes ever in my opinion.
2. Ben: Change of Plan
I belive to a degree, Ben has been telling the truth since he was trapped in the hatch last year. Loved the scene where Juliett explained Jack bs'd his way into getting an answer about the xrays. I get the feeling from tonight and the look on Ben's face he was again amazed that someone outsmarted him, aka Sawyer syndrome, and that he made a slight change in plan. He told Jack about it to a degree.
Ben did have a plan to break Jack. Ben plan was interrupted when Jack saw the xrays and Ben's face gave Jack the answer. Now Ben's newest plan begins to evolve. Ben pretends to betray Juliett by saying she looked like Sara, and that was one of his plays on Jack. He plays on Jacks comment to Juliett about the Ben being the "leader." Then Ben gives Jack what seems to be a simple request, quoting proof of God, and asks Jack for help knowing on the back end he plans to manipulate the hell out if.
Ben sends Juliett in with a video or murder hit. Not sure which. I found it interesting Juliett tells Jack Ben is bad, which is what Jack already believed in the first place. Juliett gives a nice little speach about an accident, and how Jack can help them all and she will have his back. Now Jack has a choice as Juliett so nicely puts it.
So, not sure how Kate and Sawyer are playing into this anymore, but I'm smelling the choice is a Michael type deal for Jack, just as Ben originally planned. Save my life and I'll get you off the island.
"Your good Sawyer, but were better". Ben speaks the truth. I would be shocked to find out Juliett is making a power play or really wants Jack to murder Ben.
3. The Pearl: Did the group really tap into a live feed of someone else on the island, or did they get a recorded feed. It's definetly the guy who planted the glass eye and video fragment at the taliess hatch. Loved the blond lady giving Locke clues of what to do next. Hilarious. I'll be interested to see if the one eyed man is really expecting them. If that was live, he must be monitoring the pearl from another station and seen it on a tv screen.
4. Why kill Ecko: His character was so awesome and had so much potential. He was my favorite character on the show. Why not kill off a Charlie or Bernard whose stories have seemed to run out of places to go. This was such a huge bummer. People are going to throw the arrest theory out there. Funny how Ana & Libby died within months of getting DUI's, and Ecko dies within months of being arrested.
Guess we figured out why he was building he church. He owed one to his brother. So, so bummed out.
It's all coming together now. The Black smoke changes shape. It's like a physical hologram. The black smoke IS David. The black smoke IS the horse. The black smoke IS Jack's dad. It just changes its shape...as we see clearly, it is very physical and solid. You can touch it, feel it, etc. The horse is just the black smoke, scrunched up and color-changed into the form of a horse.
However, I'm still pretty confident that Boone's vision trip from season 1 and Locke's vision trip from season 3 (including seeing unconscious Eko speak) are independent of the Monster. At least until further information, of course.
homer thompson: What other show starts in the fall and has a FALL finale before going on extended leave?
Well, Prison Break for one. ABC saw how well Fox did with that schedule last year, and how much complaining we all did about LOST's schedule, and went with the current.
Just finished watching and reading comments. This episode sure had a lot to say. Some thoughts:
This episode is about guilt, confessing sins, and coincidence vs fate.
In Eko's flashback, the Nun demands his confession, asking God for forgiveness. In his hallucination, as he lays in the tent, Emi comes to him and tells him it's time to be judged, to confess. The alter boy wants to know if he's a bad man. Eko feels guilt over his past life as a drug-runner
and feels responsiblity for getting Emi killed. But he doesn't have enough faith. When the militiaman kills the innocent bystander to make a statement to Eko, he warns him not to have "more life on your conscience." Eko tries to wash away his sins with holy water. But he eventually tells "Emi" that he did not sin...he only did what was necessary to survive. He dies without confessing.
Wow, what an episode! One quick note before I watch it again..
The "smoke monster" has killed twice that we know of; the pilot of flight 815 and now Eko. Each time was soon after the numbers didn't get pushed in the swan station. Do you think that "it" is unleashed or changed now that the swan hatch is gone?
good night, all
be back tomorrow!
Continued thoughts:
Well, the Others seem very cult-like with the white tunics for the funeral. Interesting way they have of disposing of bodies...burning them on a funeral raft.
It was reinforced tonight that Juliet and Ben are at odds as to how things should be run in Otherville. Are we to believe and trust her? She's trying to overthrow Ben in a coup. Obviously, he has many followers if she has to make it seem like an accident. Who's the liar? Who's very dangerous?
Ben "confesses" to their plan to break Jack to get him to want to perform surgery on him. How did they know what Sarah looked like when Ben asks Jack if he notices how much Juliet looks like Sarah? They must have gotten pictures somehow.
When Jack asks Ben if he believes in God, Ben replies: "A few days after finding out I had a tumor, a spinal surgeon fell out of the sky. If that's not proof of God, I don't know what is." The crash was not something they controlled. There is that theme of fate vs coincidence again.
Well, it seems most people have called it a night, so I'll do the same and continue this discussion tomorrow.
Remember: "Don't mistake coincidence for fate." (Locke)
Definitely the best episode of season 3 yet.
Still, I was VERY disappointed, even disgusted, that they would kill off Eko. He was easily one of the most compelling and complex characters on the show and if they keep killing off the new characters then there will be no one left to tell flashbacks about.
After two seasons the flashbacks for the principal characters are starting to get desperate and boring (i.e. flashback stories for the Jack, Sawyer, and Locke episodes this year).
Of all the crummy things we've had to deal with this season, killing off Eko is (IMHO) the worst decision the writers have made by far.
Wow what an episode!! I too am really bummed that Eko is gone. I was afraid it was going to be him. What is with Paolo and Nikki? Their characters seem so awkward and planted, they better start writing them some good storylines soon or they are really going to get on my nerves. Interesting what Ben said about his tumor and Jack falling from the sky...so I guess there really was no plan for flight 815 to crash...or at least there wasn't as far as Ben and his group knew. But this adds more intrigue into all the connections between the survivors. Ah well, very late here and I need some sleep- will catch up with you all later. And, thanks TBP for your summary of the Gilgamesh story- I was wondering about that too.
Dennis- congrats on the new admin position. And love your sweet little goat with the 8 avatar.
Thrasher- wow- wedding in 1 month! How exciting! Hope your new job is going well.
Ok really I'm going to bed now. See ya'll tomorrow.
Wow...
Just read through all 250+ comment, I had to make notes!
I know that people are disappointed that Eko died but remember it may not have been down to the writers, Adewale might simply have no longer wanted to play the part. Certainly Michelle Rodrigez only agreed to play Ana-Lucia on the understanding it was for one year only.
I agree with the idea that old smokey was 'dead' Christian Shepherd, the black horse etc. I think that the smoke monster test people, it look sinto their mind and kills the guilty, however it is faulty, it does not kill those that are actually guilty but those that think that they are guilty, the pilot no doubt felt guilty for the crash (regardless of fault) and Eko was raked with guilt whilst Locke was not and therefore was not killed.
So, do we have a split with the Others or is it a trick? It would make sense from the Others flashback that there is certainly a differnce in opinions between Ben and Juliet. So if we have Juliet, Karl and Alex in one camp and Ben, Ethan, Goodwin and Pickett in another where do Tom and Bea's loyalties lie?
Lifeobstacle thanks for your concerns about us Brits, Now that Sky has brought Lost we should be up to speed by the end of the hiatus, however I think most of us download the episodes anyway after they air in the states.
Minnesotawriter I am at work at the moment but I can email you links to torrents for the current episode when i get home if you want to drop me a line at daddy@babyjack.net.
Sayid's Girl I agree that it was the eyepatch man smoking in the Pearl Station - the smoking man anyone. Are the cigarettes a clue to his link with the Smoke Monster.
Actually to me the Eyepatch guy looks like No.2 from the Austin Powers movies, does that make Locke Dr. Evil? :P
Sterling Juliet - evil - never, OK Pickett is a bit of a jerk and Ben might be a bit unsavory but not Muffin Girl. Maybe Juliet is the key to the Others redemption. I guess Kate is not going to like her though - Juliet and Kate in a cat fight anyone?
Thrasher All the best for the wedding, very clever arranging it for the hiatus between episodes!
and finally
Dennis Congratulations on the new position, I have every confidence you'll do a great job and help to build on the great community we have here. its also great to see Charlotte the Goat back (did I get her name right?).
Well I've been at work almost 2 hours now and spent most of it here, I really should get back to what I paid for!
Hi Een
I agree that I don't think Juliet's plan is part of an overall plot to screw with Jack. Whilst this is lost if TPTB make the plot too conveluted they will alienate the normal viewer. I don't think that mens that she is evil however, we don't know what Ben has done or what he plans to do.
I don't think however Jack will agree to kill Ben, I know Jack has a habit of killing patients but that is not intentional. He is still a Docotor and still has to abide by the Hypocratic oath, whilst Jack might support Juliette I don't think that he will decend to the depths of murder.
Another thought is Juliet in contact with the Eyepatch Guy?
Wow, what an episode. Sad to see Eko die. I would've liked to see him whoop on some of the Others with his Jesus stick.
Should Jack trust Juliet? Or is this all part of the plan? We'll have to wait and see.
I don't recall but were there images in the smoke monster this time like they were the 1st time Eko saw it?
An excerpt from the TLE archives.
DeDJeZTeR speaking on the Black smoke monster
Posted:Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:52pm
Take Locke seeing the Beach craft crash when it was there already for such a long period of time.
As for the picture's inside the black smoke during the 23 psalm, it is my theory, that it was reading him for thing's it can use against him to mess with his head. Also note that Locke has stared it down already once before. "I looked into the heart (or eye) of the Island and what I saw was beautiful." It uses what it reads to of them and the islands environment itself, and combines the data.
My theory, I think, is compounded by the fact that Locke and Eko share memories in the "?" episode. The Island itself is the monster and takes many forms, It is powered by a great device that runs under ground through a series of networks or whatever, which have to power up for it to use the black smoke as a weapon, information gatherer, and tree uprooter. This creates the mechanical sound as well as the siren sound. The Black smoke can also take form into anything it has read off of people who have been within a certain proximity of it. With this being the case, you have Charlie, Jack, Kate, Eko, Locke, Hurley, Sayid, Shannon, Boone, Sawyer, Michael, Walt (who does his own thing too), and Eko. These people have seen the most weird stuff that they can't explain to themselves or their fellow Losties.
So all I have to say is I am a clairvoyant gene-ius.
Okay, bragging aside. This was an incredible episode. From the moment that Eko disappeared from the scene of the fire I knew he was dead. (And I had no previous knowledge of anyone dying, it just seemed out of place to me.)I will be sad the rest of this season since I really liked the Mr. Eko character. That was a good way to reveal the meaning behind the building of the church. Classic LOST action right there.
I think Juliet was being sincere with the video message. She truly doesn't seem to fond of Ben.
Eye patch guy is not Radzinsky. And how did he know to look at the camera at just that moment. You would think that the camera had an announcement on it like a light on video cameras, but then wouldn't the swan had lights on their's as well. Also why did they stop with the TV’s? Is there just no point in looking for another signal? Maybe the kitchen of this knew hatch, we know the swan had a kitchen camera, so why not this hatch?
So Nikki and Paulo, She is the new Kate of the group. She is there just to look pretty and gasp at all the spooky parts. She also seems to be the new voice of reason. Which is why, I think, they had her point out the six stations fact and followed it up with Locke feeling a bit foolish for only thinking there were two hatches. He proved that when he told Desmond about the tape in the past. Paulo is just a mild mannered guy who at night runs around in tights playing the role of
CAPTAIN OBVIOUS.
C-ya and Namaste
DeDJeZTeR
IB4UC I don't think Jack should trust anyone or anything at the moment. Don't get me wrong I still think Juliet is a 'good' character but it doesn't stop me thinking that Jack would be stupid to trust Juliet, although I probably would, d'OH.
With regards to who is running the show, I don't thing anyone is officially in charge but I thing Ben calls the shots because he has the most influence.
DedJezter You haven't been hanging around with those magnetic anomolies again getting all clairvoyant have you?
Good Morning Everyone!
AMERICAN EXPRESS EXCLUSIVES
Here are the pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lostchibbie/sets/72157594345675696/
Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Puc2LW6VNXg
Here are the Questions:
• The Lost Boys: A photo of a young Eko and his little brother Yemi from more innocent times. But was their fate already sealed at this early date?
• Confess Your Sins: After Eko is caught stealing food by a nun, he is forced to confess his sins, but he seems nervous. Is he protecting Yemi, or hiding a darker nature?
• How's That Tumor?: Jack seems confident Ben has the tumor he saw on the X-rays, but Ben denies it. Is Ben afraid? Has Jack finally turned the tables on him?
• Ghosts of the Past: In the jungle, Eko sees men he has killed, while altar boy Daniel tells him to confess. Are the sins of Eko's warlord past catching up with him?
• The Monster is Back: Eko comes face to face with the smoke again, which coils menacingly. Is he still not afraid of it like before, or has something changed inside Eko?
• God Brought You Here: Ben asks Jack to save his life and remove the tumor. Will Jack perform the operation? Did Jack crash on the island by the hand of God to save Ben's life?
• Don't Say My Brother's Name: Eko reacts badly to Locke when he says Yemi's name. What is Eko so afraid of?
• Where'd the Body Go?: Eko goes back to the plane where he entombed his brother, only to find Yemi's body missing. Where did it go?
• Is This a Good Man?: The warlord inside Eko rises and he slaughters gangster Emeka and his men. Is this Eko's ultimate nature? Or is he trying to protect the villagers?
• I've Got My Eye on You: Locke, Sayid, Desmond, Nikki and Paulo see another Dharma station on the Pearl Station monitors. Who is this guy and where is he?
• To Kill a Mockingbird: Juliet seemingly asks for Jack to consider operating on Ben, but the "movie" she shows asks Jack to kill Ben. Can she really be trusted?
• You Owe Yemi One Church: Villager Amina tells Eko he needs to repent and that he owes Father Yemi one church. Is this why Eko was building the church on the island?
• I Did Not Sin: Eko asks for no forgiveness and says he has not sinned. Has Eko sinned? Should he be proud of what he's done?
• You Aren't My Brother: Yemi tells Eko he speaks to him as if they were brothers. If it isn't really Yemi, who (or what) is it?
• A Sacrifice to the Island?: The smoke monster kills Eko. Did Eko waste his life? Could he have turned out to be more than what he became? Did Eko finally give in to his fear?
• You're Next: A dying Eko tells Locke they're next. The castaways are shocked, grieved, and frightened by Eko's death. What awaits all of them?
Hey all,
This place was a ghost town last night so I am reposting. I'm sure several of the comments are duplicates, but these were the things that stuck ou to me.
I love Locke quoting Ecko and not being easily duped for once in his life. "Don't mistake coincidence for fate."
Here's my comments after watching a second time.
1. Black Smoke: Absolutely amazing. There is so much potential imagery with this scene, then all the logical questions. Guess we know how it kills people. Great effects.
Did the smoke take Yemi's form, or did Yemi renounce Ecko for not confessing? Not sure which way to lean yet. Why did the smoke read Ecko's thoughts last encounter and kill him this one? Was the smoke acting as the hand of God, or did it figure out a way for Ecko to fear it since he didn't seem phased the first time?
If smokey can cause halluciantions, is the smoke what transformed into Dave, Jack's dad, & Kate's horse? Is that what Ecko meant by "We're Next"?
And what the hell is the smoke, and how do the others control it? How do the others have no fear of that thing? I was scared and I know it's fake.
One of the best LOST scenes ever in my opinion.
2. Ben: Change of Plan
I belive to a degree, Ben has been telling the truth since he was trapped in the hatch last year. Loved the scene where Juliett explained Jack bs'd his way into getting an answer about the xrays. I get the feeling from tonight and the look on Ben's face he was again amazed that someone outsmarted him, aka Sawyer syndrome, and that he made a slight change in plan. He told Jack about it to a degree.
Ben did have a plan to break Jack. Ben plan was interrupted when Jack saw the xrays and Ben's face gave Jack the answer. Now Ben's newest plan begins to evolve. Ben pretends to betray Juliett by saying she looked like Sara, and that was one of his plays on Jack. He plays on Jacks comment to Juliett about the Ben being the "leader." Then Ben gives Jack what seems to be a simple request, quoting proof of God, and asks Jack for help knowing on the back end he plans to manipulate the hell out if.
Ben sends Juliett in with a video or murder hit. Not sure which. I found it interesting Juliett tells Jack Ben is bad, which is what Jack already believed in the first place. Juliett gives a nice little speach about an accident, and how Jack can help them all and she will have his back. Now Jack has a choice as Juliett so nicely puts it.
So, not sure how Kate and Sawyer are playing into this anymore, but I'm smelling the choice is a Michael type deal for Jack, just as Ben originally planned. Save my life and I'll get you off the island.
"Your good Sawyer, but were better". Ben speaks the truth. I would be shocked to find out Juliett is making a power play or really wants Jack to murder Ben.
3. The Pearl: Did the group really tap into a live feed of someone else on the island, or did they get a recorded feed. It's definetly the guy who planted the glass eye and video fragment at the taliess hatch. Loved the blond lady giving Locke clues of what to do next. Hilarious. I'll be interested to see if the one eyed man is really expecting them. If that was live, he must be monitoring the pearl from another station and seen it on a tv screen.
4. Why kill Ecko: His character was so awesome and had so much potential. He was my favorite character on the show. Why not kill off a Charlie or Bernard whose stories have seemed to run out of places to go. This was such a huge bummer. People are going to throw the arrest theory out there. Funny how Ana & Libby died within months of getting DUI's, and Ecko dies within months of being arrested.
Guess we figured out why he was building he church. He owed one to his brother. So, so bummed out.
dark angel... I think Jack is smart and he's not going to trust either Ben or Juliet. He will use what he knows about each and continue messing with their heads.
Oooooh, then when Ben and Juliet are gone, Jack will become the new leader of the Others -- NOT!
Hey all good morning! for us USA'rs has any1 talked about the promo for nxt week looks like Sawyer and Kate get a little bisay!
hey every1 here the promo for next week! LOOKS SWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEET
http://humpys.net/view_preview.php?id=13&season=10
cam794... Not to pick on you but I find your posts so difficult to read. I guess I'm just not into the whole text messaging language.
Great Episode.
We will miss you Mista Eko. He was clearly the most interesting character and one of the better subtle actors I have seen on TV in a while. It is a shame his story ends here.
Yeah, more info about the smoke monster. I love the idea it has been all of the halucinations. It has been working the people of the island for some purpose.
Jack is in control from his cage. He is the swing vote in the Other's power struggle.
My predictive opinions.
1. Juliet is actually trying to take over the Others. She can't do it by force so she is tyring to conquer the kingdom from behind the scenes. I think she is also much more devious than Benry.
2. Jack won't bite. I do not think Jack will intentionally let Benry die. Although I think that will be the cliff hanger of the hiatus. Benry flatlines and there is no crash cart. Did Jack do it on purpose or was it inevitable. Can/will Jack save him.
3. The eye patch guy is part of the Other Others. But I do not think he is in control of the smoke monster.
4. I think the smoke monster is controled by the island (computer brain or mistical power - science vs. faith). I think it will be a long time before we find the answer.
5. Perky Niki will stick around. She is eye candy of the year. She is probably dating one of the producers or something. Hoepfully they have something better than that for her soon. But I don't see it.
6. Paulo will die soon. If nothing else but to put us out of our misery. Talk about an extremely un-interesting character. He is Artz/redshirt. Although I was interested in Artz, he was annoying, but they intended for him to be annoying. Paulo is just pointless.
heres a link for Eko's Death video
http://humpys.net/view_vid.php?id=14&season=00
look how big it is compared to the one in The 23rd Pslam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17JcnRAeCC8&mode=related&search=
also heres 2 photos of Mr.Eyepatch
http://humpys.net/view_pic.php?id=261&season=3 click on the photo to enlarge it
and 1 more link for the backround of Mr.Patch's hatch (I think its the flame bcuz the producers said they were gonna find and explore the flame in season 3)
http://humpys.net/view_pic.php?id=267&season=3
okay really this is the last pic:its of eko getting grabed by mr.smokey
http://humpys.net/view_pic.php?id=265&season=3
okay for sure now sry but i just keep discovering more. This is ofJulleit with all the notecards in one picture
http://humpys.net/view_pic.php?id=270&season=3
so check em all out!
Wow - I have to say, I'm actually a little suprised with how much everyone liked this episode - I thought it was dreadful.
Eko's death was so pointless! I understand the themes of forgiveness and redemption, but the death itself was so out of left field. I can only hope that the smoke monster will get some more screen time as a result, and not immediately fade back into the jungle.
Speaking of pointless, Nikki and Paulo have GOT to go. Their characters are so uninteresting. There are already plenty of main characters who hardly get any screen time - why do we need more?
I was pretty disappointed with this episode. I think that the only interesting tidbit that came out of it was eyepatch guy. I agree that he must be Radzinsky and that the feed was live, meaning that once again, Kelvin is proved to be a liar. Desmond would recognize the one-eye look either from the mural or from Kelvin's stories. I think that the camera in his hatch had some kind of light or indicator to show when it was on. The Swan's may have as well, but since no one knew that they were there, they might not have noticed. And who knows what Radzinsky has hooked up in the time since he escapepd from the Swan - he's been on the loose at least three years.
melissa- i agrre with you,like last season we saw Mr.Smokey on The 23rd Pslam and then we never saw him until now. That really bummed me out
Cam794,
I know you are excited about the new episode, but you need to be more careful and not reveal spoilers:
(I think its the flame bcuz the producers said they were gonna find and explore the flame in season 3)
This is DEFINITELY as spoiler - it reveals what is going to happen based on outside sources.
Please be more careful!!!
Also, please try your best to slow down and check you spelling. I agree your post are difficult to read. If you use Firefox 2.0, it has a built in spell check :)
As far as the smoke monster goes, I believe that it has the power to manifest images out of someone's mind - Eko sees his brother, Jack sees his father, etc. Locke says that he saw a beautiful white light - perhaps the manifestation of a near-death experience he had when he was paralyzed?
I don't know if the monster is controlled by someone or has acheived its own sort of sentience. I do wonder though, if Walt somehow tapped into its power and was able to breifly control it, leading to his appearances on the beach last season. Perhaps he was able to make the monster manifest what he wanted it to, but since he was inexperienced, the manifestations weren't perfect - he always appeared wet, and spoke backwards. It seems that Walt was trying to warn Shannon of her impending death, and this was the only was that he could do it.
good point, cam :) If they're going to have the monster take the huge step forward of killing one of the survivors, then they need to keep it at the forefront of everyone's minds. Especially with the warning that Locke or the survivos at large are "next." Hopefully, we don't get the typical Lostie response of "huh, that was weird... anyway, back to my papayas...."
BTW, cam - shouldn't you be in school or something? :)
@Melissa
I like the idea that Walt was able ot take over the smoke. That makes sense. We know he was able to communicate with Michael over the computer. Maybe he had the smoke as well.
Also, maybe that is why the others let him and Michael go. They saw his power and wanted him off their island. (or the producers had a hard time explaining the extreme growth spurts of a 10 year old boy over a 70 day period).
ok ok sry dennis i kno i have to be more careful but anyway still y kill off EKO!!!! i mean there were so many others that could of gone before him! like bernard or Vincent OR AARON! i mean really CMON! he was my favorite character but do you notice with AL's DUI and Libby's DUI and now just a few months after Eko got arrested?! somthins a little fishy there
Melissa- na we got 2day and tomorrow off that means i have 4 whole days to chat it up with u guys!!! YAY!
Morning all!
I really enjoyed this episode. It was chock full of alot of themes: guilt, redemption, coincidence vs fate.
It was good to see Mr. Smokey back and in full swing. There's still a lot of questions about it, but we do know that it does take form from the person's memories: Jack's dad, Kate's horse, Eko's brother, etc. Sorry to see Eko go...he and Locke really played off each other well.
I also have to believe that Juliet is a good person. But I can't believe that Jack will come to botch Ben's surgery to kill him. I don't think that's in him as a doctor who saves lives. Juliet has to have come up with this scheme because obviously Ben has his followers and she has her. She just can't take over peacefully...Ben does have a hold on a lot of people (he's probably been there the longest).
It's interesting that Ben compared Juliet to Sarah. He must have actually gotten a picture of Sarah, which shows that they do have access to outside information.
I thought it funny when Locke wanted to get up a group to go to the Pearl Station, he democratically asked who wanted to go. Hurley said that's not the way Jack did things, and Locke said he's not Jack.
Agreed that we need more info on Paolo and Nikki...we don't know why they're important yet. Nikki figured out the project"s" thing and the other TV thing, but one of our regulars could have done that. And Paolo was just there to pee! (You usually don't see "bodily functions" shown or discussed!)
All in all, a good episode that moves the story along (at last). RIP Mr. Eko.
I haven't gotten through all the comments but here's some of my thoughts on "The cost of Living" and more......
Well, it didn’t shock me that it was Eko who dies. I mean he didn’t have any connection to any of the remaining losties. Bernard has Rose and they have basically decided that they will never leave the island so I don’t think there is any reason to further their story in great detail.
I don’t think the smoke creature is a true shape shifter. Think about for a minute, Yemmi’s remains were missing, so the smoke thing took them in order to take his form. Jack’s father’s body was on the plane, so the smoke thing could take it and assume that form. The creature has to have something to reference whatever shape he takes, it can’t just be anything or anyone. Which also means the eye-patch guy could be Radinsky’s body anyway.
Now, Dave is another story. I think Dave was a real person at one time. THIS IS NOT A SPOILER BUT ONLY SPECULATION ON PAST EPISODES. I think Dave was one of the people who died in Hurley’s accident and I also think Dave was Libby’s husband. She told Desmond her husband’s name was David and that he had died. This explains why Hurley and Libby were in the mental hospital together. Hurley took Dave as his alter-ego out of guilt; Libby was there because of a breakdown from losing her husband, Dave.
There I said it and I hope I’m proven right some day but remember it is ONLY SPECULATION ON PAST EPISODES.
cam - Nice! Wish I had a couple of days off. :)
volsnvikes - I agree. Ben said that they got a lot more than they bargained for with Walt. We know that they were making him do tests - maybe one of the tests was to see if he could control the monster, but they got more than they bargained for when Walt used that power to communicate with the losties. Afterall, he did sort of cause Shannon's death, while trying to prevent it.
HEY maven!
tlcm-yea i never thought about Jacks dad's body missing. And yemis thts just a little to much of a coincodince for me
also if any1's intrested in lost merchendise abc.com/lost has a bunch of new stuff!
http://abctvstore.seenon.com/index.php?&spid=&v=abclstfan&g=1&bin=
tclm - great ideas! I hadn't thought of it like that. Maybe that could be why Walt's manifestations were imperfect - he didn't have a "template" to work from. I think that maybe the monster needs to see/have the body, although it obviously doesn't just re-animate the dead. I mean, Jack's dad was pretty fresh, but Yemi was pretty decayed.
Great idea about Dave as well. I had never made that connection! That would be a really good explanation for Dave, however. I like it!
Oh, and I don't think that I've said it yet, but take care of yourself, and get well soon!
Note to Dennis: Thanks for the Firefox update link! Finally: Spell check! (Cam794: You can really use this feature...hint, hint! LOL)
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