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THE COST OF LIVING - SEASON 3, EPISODE 4
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Eko and Locke remove the rocks blocking the plane door only to find that Yemi's body has disappeared. This is a biblical reference to the excavation of Lazarus' tomb and/or Jesus Christ rising from the dead on the third day (his body was also not found in his tomb). In this case, the plane is likened to Yemi's "tomb," and this reference seems appropriate as Yemi was a priest.
Before his death, Eko begins to recite Psalm 23.
Juliet offered to show Jack the movie To Kill a Mockingbird.
The funeral followed the traditions of Hindu funeral practices.
hmmmmmmmmmm hinduisim
we were studying buddisim and hinduisim in skool and dharma came up as simthing to do with buddisim now some hinduisim stuff sounds kinda weird
tclm: Great thoughts about Smokey, but what about Kate's horse?
I'm not sure what to make of the smoke monster yet.
It can't just be all in Eko's head, because Locke and the others hear "it" in the hatch. But no one else saw it, and it flew away when Eko was at the water.
Plus there's the fact that Locke saw a bright light, and Eko saw a dark cloud. I don't think anyone else has seen it at all...
The problem with the dead body theory, is it doesn't explain the Black Horse.
dennis-im downloadin firefox rite now. also when ben was talking to jack about his surgery I COULD HEAR THE SMOKE MONSTER for just a few seconds. that suports my therory that either
a)Theres 2 or more smoke monsters
b)The smoke monster can split apart in to multiples of it self
c)THERE STILL ON THE ISLAND
p.s. the monster sound i heard was very faint idk if i was imaging it but my mom was watching it with me and she said that she heard it too!
New post at storiesofthelost.com!
Sorry for the long frontpage post over there...I said it in the most concise way I could.
This was the most difficult character storyline for me to watch so far. Eko's final confrontation with "his brother" was very difficult for me to take in. The emptiness and hopelessness of pride stung me as it lept off the screen. I wonder why they let his story end that way. I guess it was a bold move and brought some balance to the whole ying-yang thing they're trying to accomplish...I just never like it when the dark side wins.
I anticipate the new thread at SOTL will develop some great discussions and I look forward to hearing what you guys have to say.
The area where Eko speaks with the thing that he believes to be his brother Yemi is a possible graveyard. The flowers are evenly spaced on mounds marking each grave. Is it the Dharma Initiative people who were killed in the incident? I definitly thought that those induvidually placed plants were weird.
cam794 - I think if the Smoke Monster was heard on Hydra Island, more people than you would have commented on it. I think you're probably mistaken.
Off-topic, did you know that leet-speak and text-speak often take longer to type, articulate and pronounce than normal speech?
I'm wondering if there is any significance in Juliet bringing the movie "To Kill A Mockingbird" in to show Jack.
I haven't seen the movie in a long time, but I read the summary of To Kill A Mockingbird, but I really didn't see any thematic tie in to the situation, other than the "Kill" part.
thebookpolice,
Glad to see you're here. Just wanted to tell you that I really appreciated the well-educated insights you brought to the table last night. Especially the Gilgamesh parallels. Fascinating stuff! Thanks for adding that.
First, I want to say that I will miss Eko.
Maven said...
This episode is about guilt, confessing sins, and coincidence vs fate.
I think it's interesting that Eko only asks forgiveness from his brother (shown in the "previously on Lost" beginning), not from God. In the end, he doesn't have guilt about his sins; he says he did what he thought needed to be done. His brother would forgive him because many of Eko's actions were for the love of his brother. What Eko is lacking is a love for God (and faith). The "Yemmi" at the end is angered with Eko for not repenting his sins and says, "You think I am your brother?" (Is killing a bad man not a sin? Is stealing not a sin if it's for your hungry brother? God is the one to judge, not us.)
I also can't help but think of the old hubris/nemisis correlation from Greek mythology; that excessive pride will bring you down. It's also the idea of "playing God". Eko decides what is the right thing to do; he decides who gets killed, who gets fed, and who gets vaccine. He decides that the drugs are better off out of his country and away from "his" people.
Will Jack "play God" and kill Ben? I don't think so and the fact that Juliet wants him to shows a lot about her character, IMO.
Dennis,
Re: To Kill a Mockingbird
There are actually some significant thematic tie ins to last night's show and the series in general. Especially it's commentary on the coexistence of good and evil. The most important theme of To Kill a Mockingbird is the book’s exploration of the moral nature of human beings—that is, whether people are essentially good or essentially evil. The novel approaches this question by dramatizing Scout and Jem’s transition from a perspective of childhood innocence, in which they assume that people are good because they have never seen evil, to a more adult perspective, in which they have confronted evil and must incorporate it into their understanding of the world.
For more, see SPARKNOTES
Wow, I pop back and you've all come on line.
volsnvikes Said Jack won't bite. I do not think Jack will intentionally let Benry die. Although I think that will be the cliff hanger of the hiatus. Benry flatlines and there is no crash cart. Did Jack do it on purpose or was it inevitable. Can/will Jack save him
Wow, are you sure you haven't been hangign aroung the Magnetic anomolie with DedJezter and Desmond and got all psychic, that's a brilliant theory. I agree Jack won't intentionally kill Ben, the one thing Jack believes in is being a Doctor and part of that is the Hypocratic Oath that would prevent him killing Ben.
TLCM Love the 'Dave' theory, I have always wondered if Locke was paralysed by the falling balcony incident and thought perhaps Helen (mark 1) also died.
Dennis these theories are too good! Do psychic predictions count as spoilers! LOL :P
Hoping I will actually get to watch the episode tonight. I didn't get to watch the last one until the weekend :(
Hey can you tell I don't have Firefox at work! I used to blame my bad spelling on my time at an American school, although I guess that won't wash here ;)
thebookpoilce-i know wat i heard and im gonna download it on itunes 2day so then ill know for sure
ahman i hate firefox the text is WAY to small! how can i enlarge it?
and were this built in spell check?
Admin,
That would be true of Eko if the Dark Saide had won. I don't think it did. The idea that one MUST do what one needs in order to survive is a long existing side of faith. Is it a sin if you are doing it in order to better someone and not thinking selfishly. Eko stole to feed his brother. Tried to get the drugs out of his country, because drugs are evil. Even killed the vaccine renegades in order to help out the church his brother built. When you take on the beliefs that you (no offense) seem to hold so dear you change the world from being black and white to only white. You can't have it that way. Whay is a necassary evil? What is evil about doing what is needed to save more lives than you have taken? I would have felt, based on the story presented, the same way that Eko did. That I have done nothing wrong. To dispose of evil is truly a good thing in the end. (again no offense) Your religious beliefs have blinded you to the world around you, and that same religion is responsible for more deaths than anything else ever. The crusades ring a bell to anyone?
My point is that there is even good in the evil things we do and you must be able to tell the difference in order to be a real person, without the black side of the equation you are just doing what your told, and if Gahd does exist he gave us free will for a reason. Man created Christianity and therefor it is ultimately flawed. If not for a trickster and a whore who could stick to their stories we would all still be worshipping the sun and better off for it.
JMHO
I wondered about To Kill A Mocking Bird, I remember doing the book at School and Gregory peck is great in the film. I think that the mention of the film is suggestion of the moral struggle ahead. Essentially can you justify killing for the greater good, Eko clearly thought so, as does Juliet but Jack will I believe not follow this path which will be a step on his path to redemption.
There lies in the Ocean an island which is called The Lost. In Charm and all kinds of fertility it far surpasses every other land, but it is unknown to men. Now and again it may be found by chance; but if one seeks it, it cannot be found, and therefore it is called The Lost.
Honorius of Autun, De Imagine Mundi, about AD 1130
ive heard this bfore sound alot like our little island dont it?
HEY i just found thismpic on humpy's.net it shows that the book WAS Carrie
http://humpys.net/view_pic.php?id=222&season=3
Wow Dedjezter you sound like me 10 years ago! Religion per see is not the problem more the fact of people that twist it to suit their own needs, I have to say is Sun Worshippers as as guilty of it as everyone else!
We discussed theses issues on the Stories of Lost and to a degree I agree with what you are saying, free will means responsibility for our actions and the need to evaluate what is right or wrong. However I am not convinced that EKo always made the moral decission, he acted on impulse much of the time on the mistaken belief that he was right without considering the consequences. He didn't need to kill the man begging for his life for example but he did because he felt he had the powere of life and death in his hands.
also heres a link for NEXT WEEKS EPISODE promo
http://humpys.net/view_preview.php?id=13&season=10
also admin or dennis is it considered a spoiler if you discuss the promo for next week?
Cam794 said...i hate firefox the text is WAY to small! how can i enlarge it?
The short-cut way is to press CTRL & "+" key. Use CTRL & "-" to make the font smaller (or you can hold down the "Ctrl" button, and scroll your mouse wheel up or down.)
and were this built in spell check?
When you are using FireFox, misspelled words automatically get underlined in red. If you right click the misspelled word, it will give you suggestions on the proper spelling, then click the one you want and it change it for you.
Dedjezter said..
"To dispose of evil is truly a good thing in the end."
I ask you: who gets to define "evil"?
The terrorists think Americans are evil, so I guess you would think 9/11 was a good thing in the end?
DeDJeZTeR said...
What is evil about doing what is needed to save more lives than you have taken? I would have felt, based on the story presented, the same way that Eko did. That I have done nothing wrong.
I'm sure Thomas Mittlewerk would agree with you on this.
As for the rest of your post, I find it extremely offensive and disresecptful.
This is NOT the place to attack people religious beliefs!
Hi all.
I really enjoyed this episode, but in a different way than I enjoyed last week's. Last week (Every Man...) was so action-packed and fast-paced, I remember pacing around during commercials trying to wrap my brain around everything that was happening. This week, the action built up more gradually, like it was coming to a boil slowly, but with answers (or least "apparent" answers to many questions) coming out at frequent intervals, giving you a little jolt. In the end, I liked both episodes very much.
I didn't feel as much emotion for the death of Mr. Eko as many you folks did. To me, there was always a menacing quality about him, a sense that at any time, the brutal side of his character could resurface. Therefore, while I found him very interesting to watch, I never really warmed up to him, you could say.
More later, back to work for a while.
Here's my problem. If, like Jack said Ben has a tumor that's going to kill him soon. Why does Juliet need Jack to let him die on the operating table? What's the big hurry if he's going to die anyway without surgery.
Is it some kind of test? Maybe to see if he is "good". I don't know.
But as Ben said to Sawyer about being a con man. "You're good but were better."
Homerthompson: yeah I consider Juliet was in charge after Sawyer's assement of her after the fight he staged. The blonde with the gun she'd shot you no problem.
I agree Codysmom I've never been a fan of writing things off as evil, it always seems an excuse to avoid looking at the root cause of someones actions. To just write of Hitler as evil for example completey ignores the reasons for his actions, the socio-economic situation in Germany, his possible mental illness, yes his actions were truely unbelievably terrible, and were evil but evil is a decription of his actions not why he carried them out.
Evil can be very subjective, your own president is a good example, to many people he is a great man, leader of (arguably) the greatest nation on Earth, for others he is the devil incarnate (I'm not going to comment on my opinion ;) )
Anyway just as the discussion get's really interesting its time for me to go.
I'll try to log back in later, have fun, looking forward to all your comments and I'll also be posting across in Stories of the Lost later.
Namaste
DA
Dedjezter, you really know how to take a nice happy blog talking about a TV show and change the tone pretty fast.
I agree with Dark Angel. "Religion per see is not the problem more the fact of people that twist it to suit their own needs."
The "ends justify the means" theory on morality can be used for any crime. It's the justification that can be rationalized to ease any man's conciences.
You show some serious hostility toward Christianity. I'll pray for ya brotha.
dennis-is it a spoiler if we talk about the promo for next week?
Sayid'sgirl said...
Why does Juliet need Jack to let him die on the operating table? What's the big hurry if he's going to die anyway without surgery.
Is it some kind of test? Maybe to see if he is "good". I don't know.
But as Ben said to Sawyer about being a con man. "You're good but were better."
Good Point!
also on itunes Every Man for Himself is number 1 on the tv show thingy ans The Cost of Living will soon take its place it should come out today on itunes im just waiting so i can download it
When the Alter Boy asks Eko if he's a bad man, he really has to think about it. Eko doesn't believe he's bad (Only God knows if he's a bad man), he's done what he has to do to survive (and that includes doing "bad" things). He uses the holy water to wash away his sins. Even when he took some food for Yemmi, he knew it wasn't bad and hesitated when the Nun forced him to confess. Eko does feel guilt over his past, and does begin to build a new church for Yemmi, but he doesn't have enough faith. The Alter Boy appears to him again and whispers "Confess". Yemmi appears and wants him to confess his sins. But he can't bring himself to do this. "I only did what was necessary to survive."
Sayid'sgirl and Codysmom...
I think her problem is Jack is there. She has to keep up apperances that she is trying to save Benry. That is why she made the little speech that the video told Jack to ignore.
Although I could see the entire thing being a test for Jack. Maybe he lets Benry flatline, but the crash cart actually does work and Juliet saves Benry.
...Hmmmm
Good point, Sayid's Girl! Maybe dying from a spinal tumor takes too long for Juliet's purposes and she needs to speed things along. But I don't think Jack will do it...he's too much of a doctor to let a patient die on purpose.
As far as Kate's horse, I can't explain that except that perhps there are really horses on the island(s).
I was thinking about Locke and Eko's differnet perception of the smoke monter. Kate and Jack saw the smoke as black like Eko. Maybe it is somehow related to the veiwers soul. Maybe Locke saw it as a beautiful bright light because he has not killed anyone or lived his live in an "evil" manner. But this wouldn't explain why Eko said the "they were next." Did he me the group in general or was he speaking only of Locke. Remember Locke probably relayed the message in third-person so Eko could have jsut said "you're next" and Locke relayed it as "we're next." I'm at work and don't have the epi downloaded so I don't have locke's exact words.
I agree with Maven.
In the end he didn't believe he was a bad man, and his pride kept him from confessing. Whether he found redmeption in his death or not is left up to us to argue here.
Just vague enough to be interesting and let us all apply our personal beliefs to decide induvidualy what "really" happened.
what does every1 think about the promo for next week? It looks to me that Kate & Sawyer get bisay! Also i found an image were lock is holdin Eko's cross and lookin (or all most crying) up into the sky
DeDJeZTeR said...Your religious beliefs have blinded you to the world around you, and that same religion is responsible for more deaths than anything else ever. The crusades ring a bell to anyone?
Anything Else Ever??? LOL.
This is off topic, but I looked this up and I'd though I would share:
Crusades: Over a 200 year period, between 200,000 and 1.5 million people were killed (depending on who you believe).
World War 1: 4 years, 20 Million (8.5 Million soldiers + 11.5 million dead from influenza.)
World War 2: 6 years, 60 million
Vietnam: 16 years, 5.5 million
Sorry, Bad spelling mistake. I don't have Firefox and work.
Individually
cam794... what is bisay? Do you mean busy?
tlcm said
Well, it didn’t shock me that it was Eko who dies. I mean he didn’t have any connection to any of the remaining losties. Bernard has Rose and they have basically decided that they will never leave the island so I don’t think there is any reason to further their story in great detail.
What about the psychic connection between Claire and Ecko. The pyshic who told Claire that her baby would be evil, was the dad of the girl of almost died and told Ecko that Yemi had a message for him.
I think Ecko tied in so well with the themes for the island. Good vs evil defined his character. I just don't see why the killed him. Ego's must have gotten in the way.
Great comments everyone. I definetly think the monstor is responsible for the halluciantions.
yea ib4uc busy
I'm going to stay away from the Eko/monster speculation for a moment and post my predicitions for next week (NOT SPOILER BASED, based only on the end-of-show teaser and my own speculating):
We know that the producers will want to leave us with cliffhangers. I think there will be 3 storylines that result in 3 cliffhangers:
1. As others here have already predicted, Ben's operation will begin and it will appear at the end of the episode as if he is dying. We will wonder if Jack did or did not try to kill him (I predict "no"), and wonder will Ben survive or not (I predict "yes", as he is too great of a character to kill off, plus who or what else could provide a more consistent threat to the Losties week after week than Ben's faction of the Others?)
2. I'll predict that while the surgery is taking place, Pickett will sieze the opportunity to try to seek his revenge and kill Sawyer. Maybe the episode will end with one those gunshots, and we'll wonder "Did Pickett just kill Sawyer?" or "Did someone just save Sawyer by killing Pickett?"
3. I also think we'll have a storyline with Locke, Sayid, and company discovering where Mr. Patchy is hiding, but we'll still be left to wonder "Who is Mr. Patchy?" and "What is this place he's hiding in?" My guess is that Mr. Patchy will eventually turn out to be Radzinsky and that he is hiding in the Flame Station.
On the topic of religion, being a Catholic all my life one thing I know a little about is guilt. Religion gives you a pereived set of values that if you do not live up to, you feel guilty about and need to confess it.
Sometimes life doesn't parralel religion, and I think that is what Ecko is saying. He did the best with the path he was given, and if given a second chance to do it all over, he would have done it the same way. Ecko did what he did for Yemi because he has a heart of gold and felt responsibility to take care of his family. Even though the choices he made did not parralel his religious beliefs, I ask you all if they were really "bad choices" or what he needed to do to survive with the path God gave him.
blueheron i agree with you on number 3.
Diggity: When did the psychic say that the baby would be "evil"? I do remember him urgently pleading with Claire that the baby needed to be raised by her and no other. Of course, he later convinced her to set off on Flight 815 to give up the baby in LA.
dedjezter,
I see your point and appreciate your response. Thank you for saying "no offense"...none was taken. Why don't you post those thoughts at storiesofthelost.com and dive into dialogue with us? It can get boring if there is nobody there to disagree and make things interesting :). I do believe that, if your thinking about Eko's motivations/actions (two wrongs make a right) was universalized, it would lead humanity down a slippery slope towards destruction (not that we aren't already headed down one).
I am not exactly sure what you meant by your last sentance and would love to hear more about who the "trickster" and "whore" are that you referred to.
Also, please agree that it was a bit of an exaggeration to state that Christianity is responsible for "more deaths than anything else ever" by citing the Crusades. The Crusades were a series military campaigns by Christian forces from the 11th to the 13th century, mostly aimed at reclaiming Israel & specifically Jerusalem from the Muslims who occupied it. At most, a little over a million people (on both sides of the fighting) were killed in the Crusades. Many Christians have since denounced and apologized for these historical actions. The Crusades however were a far cry from producing the sort of death and despair experienced in US sanctioned World Wars, Rwanda, Darfur, Nazi Germany, and other warring genocidal nations.
One quick thought on the monster, then I'll go back into "lurk mode":
I don't think that anyone is controlling it at the moment. I think it was part of the Dharma Initiative's experiments and when DI failed, it got "loose"- just like the bears did.
admin I think dedjezter meant Jesus as the "trickster" and Mary Magdeline as the "whore"
right d?
oo o o o o o i found an image with the dharma symbol on mr.patchy.
http://www.lostpedia.com/images/d/d4/Logo.jpg
now only if we could see al of it.............dam......
Ok...I have a quick observation that may have been covered already. But currently I don't have time to go back and read everything...so. On the subject of the smoke monster....
While we know that Echo sees the smoke monster as a dark and imposing thing (the image we've seen on the screen) we have no idea what everyone else sees when they look at it. Lock said he saw a bright white light, that it was beautiful. Could it be that our mysterious smoke monster (which I am fully convinced is at least part mechanical) is something of a 'goodness' barometer? I mean, regardless of what we think about weather Lock and Echo were good or bad men, we know that the Others think Lock is good (At least that's what Benry said.) Could the monster have something to do with that knowledge?
I don't know. That damn monster is making me crazy anyway. I still haven’t figured out how to make smoke move that way. It's real...it has to be real........please.
very good mountain girl...
danielle mentioned the black smoke. that could have been the funeral fire.
cam794 & dennis... nice. I missed that (the Dharma logo on Patchy's jumpsuit). Too bad we can't see the whole thing -- could possibly tell us what station he was at.
Cam794,
I was just thinking about what you said earlier about there being two smoke monsters.
Maybe there is a Black Smoke monster, and a White Light monster. One is good and one is evil. (are there good monsters?)
This would certainly fit with the good/evil, black/white themes.
isibell said...While we know that Echo sees the smoke monster as a dark and imposing thing (the image we've seen on the screen) we have no idea what everyone else sees when they look at it.
Locke, Jack and Kate all saw the Black Smoke monster in "Exodus":
http://www.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/8/88/Exoduspart2monster.jpg/800px-Exoduspart2monster.jpg
This means that Locke had seen both the Black Smoke monster and the Bright Light monster.
Blueheron13: I'll have to go back and watch my Season 1 Dvd's, but I thought the epi was called "Raised By Another" in which Claire is conflicted with whether or not to keep her baby with the daddy being out of the picture. Claire visited a pychic who saw something very bad/blurry in his vision, and urged her first to keep, then gave her money to give to fly to LA and give it away. I don't beleive he ever said the baby was evil. I beleive he said he saw something blurry and blurry = bad. Her urged her to care for the baby. I was trying to type while on call so I I was being brief. My bad and I should have known better ;)
Then in the episode titled "?" (again not sure) Echo is asked while in Australia to visit a girl who died and came back. Wen Ecko visits her, she tells Ecko she has a message for him from Yemi. Later in the epi we see the pychic as the dead girls dad. There pyschic claimed to be a fake. There was some debate over whether he was telling the truth, but apparently he told Claire what she needed to hear to be comfortable first keeping Aaron, then giving him away.
I really wanted to see that conenction finish the course it started.
Dennis - Forgot about that. Ok...time to reformulate.
So if Lock saw both versions then why didn't he tell Echo that? Lock was clearly trying to invoke a reaction....................
Maybe what we (the TV viewing audience) see isn't exactly what they see... Maybe they see something different from each other too...perception is everything right. Dang it...I hate the stupid smoke monster. I can't make it make sense. It sounds mechanical; it looks totally ethereal; acts as if it's controlled by something; but defies all kinds of laws of physics and the physical world. AHHHHHHHH!
isibell said... It sounds mechanical; it looks totally ethereal; acts as if it's controlled by something; but defies all kinds of laws of physics and the physical world. AHHHHHHHH!
I think you hit the nail on the head and makes everyone go AHHHHHHHHHHHH!
isibell - I like the idea of the monster judging "goodness." I always found it interesting that Locke seemed so entranced by the monster when he saw it. Perhaps because he was judged as good, he saw something beautiful (remember, he told Jack that he had looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful). However, after he became obsessed with the hatch, and allowed Boone to die, the island turned it's back on him, and the monster tried to kill him. I think now that he has atoned for that death by saving Eko (although not for long), he will be back in the island's good graces.
Hi everyone. Sorry I've been absent so long. The new season is GREAT.....diffferent, but great. Still no internet at my new place, but that will have to go on hold again as I soon will have ANOTHER new place. You see, I will soon be a Mommy! Weeeeeeeeeee. So I will have to make due with thrying to sneak time for blogging at work for the next few months. I miss you all! :)
I think that rather than there being two monsters, it is more likely that the monster changes appearance based on who it is facing. If it can make itself look like Yemi, I'm sure it can make itself look like white light.
Someone tried to shoot a hole in our theory about the monster needing a human template to use in order to manifest by mentioning Kate's horse. My thought on that is that a horse is much easier to replicate than a person. Unless Kate has a photogrpahic memory, she could easily mistake any black horse for her black horse, especially if it was on her mind. Jack's dad would be harder to fake.
Anyone watch Regis & Kelly today? Ecko was on the show doing his interview and he gave out some interesting info. I have read all of the spoiler rules, and am anti-spoiler myself, but I believe this fits into the rules. If not, my bad.
I was definitely in the camp that Ecko used his false priest hood to get him off out of the situation he found himself in. Kind of a cover up to escape so to speak.
On the show today, Ecko says he left Africa in search for Yemi, and somehow believed that Yemi's plane was in Australia.
Thought that was interesting. The show never really eluded to that as far as I remember.
ib4uc - I don't like things that break the laws of Physics. When they do that then I have to bust out a whole new set of rules for them. Then I end up all bitter cause everyone looks at me like I'm crazy........AHHHHHHHHH! ;)
Melissa - It's Lock's entrancement with it that gets me too. He saw something, and I get the feeling that what he saw would so help me figure out what it is. So now the question is...if it judges goodness...and it found Lock to be good...did it go back and tell Benry that? Is that why He set off across the jungle to collect John from the Losties? (Assuming he wasn't lying when he told Lock that. The confession, while creating confusion in Lock at the time really gained Benry nothing else, so I have to think that he was probably telling the truth that time.)
See, I tend to think that Ben was lying about coming to get Locke. He's not dumb enough to fall for one of Rousseau's traps, so I think that he intentionally ensnared himself, counting on her to take him to Sayid. I believe that the whole thing was a ploy to get inside of the hatch. I still haven't figured out why, although my theory is that he wanted to convince them to stop pushing the button without actually being there when it happened. Him telling Locke that he was coming specifically for him plays into Locke's fantasy of self-importance (ie, the island only talks to him, the Others only want him). Locke has always been driven by a desire to be part of something, to be wanted - and I think he'd be willing to go with the Others if it meant being part of a group.
Great comments everyone! Great ep too, but verrrrrrrrrry sad for Eko. I agree Admin I was very sad that in the end, he did not seem to undestand the concept of confession or repentance. It has to be just terrible to live and grow up in a place where the lines of good and evil, and what one must do to survive, are so badly blurred.
Thanks for the Gilgamesh info Bookpolice! LOL Homer, about the love/hate thing, me too--- but Wednesday 9 pm......PLOP!. :-)
It was interesting that they perform viking funerals, since HF/DI is Norwegian-based (even though they do the Namaste thing). Don't know what is Norwegian tradition for apparell, but Asians wear white don't they (although Sun didn't at Jae's funeral)?
There's just something that I don't trust about Juliet. And yes Dark Angel, Jack had better remember his "First do no harm" vow! I really don't see that he would hurt someone on purpose, but we'll see what TPTB want to do with that.
Great Qs and comments Dennis, and thanks for the pic links. BTW, how did all the large boudlers get up against the plane's opening/door? When it fell off the cliff with Boone?
FYI, the Crusades were a response to 300-400 years of Muslim/Islam/Turk/etc aggression across Europe and Asia Minor. And while we're pointing the genocidal finger, let's not forget how many millions of people Communism has killed under Mao and Stalin alone. OK, opinionated-fingers will stop typing now. :-)
hey all i was just away for awhile watchin season 2 dvds. i just bought the cost of living off itunes there was a few things i wanna go back and see but itll finish downloadin in like an hour so...............
Just rewatching the monster scene and wanted to comment about what Ecko said.
Ecko didn't say "We're next.' He said "You're next." Was he specifically directing that towards John since he has had a previous encounter with the monster, then disappeared into the hatch for 20 days, or was Ecko directing the comment at the group? I think it would be an interesting twist if the monster stalked Locke next.
hey every1 what do you think of my new picture?!
how did you get ti like that? like it looks real?
Cam794 said... How did you get it like that? like it looks real?
I photoshopped the 8 off the bunny from the last episode.
I think Mr Patchy would be a good avatar for someone:
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/2223/patchyve2.png
Oh no...You all have to see this!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z_zVROAdLU
Sorry...I don't know how to make that a link...just cut and paste.
dennis-do you like it now?!
lol isibell yea ive seen it bfore
LOL! That Mr. Patchy guy is creepy...
Anthony said... what about the man on the screen in the pearl station who is that and where is he.
Some people this it might be Radzinsky. I think we'll either find out in the next episode, or it will be a cliff hanger.
And the main question that in my opinoinon that hasnt been answered is the ice scene at the end of season two. Where the guy asks "is that supposed to be doing that?" They rush over and it says electromagnetic anomoly. and then they call a girl and say we found them. Are they looking for them? are they going to rescue them? how did they know what to look for? answer?
The girl was Desmonds girlfriend, and I think she is looking for him. I think we're going to have to wait until the second half of this season until we get anywhere with that part of the story.
yea i wish i had photo shop but...........
my theory for next episdode is at the end Locke will find The Flame Station they will go in it and thell find Mr.Patchy then the episode will end with Mr.Patchy saying "You!"
Hey all! Just finished catching up on comments. Great discussion! I'm with TLCM on the smoke monster taking the bodies of Yemi and Christian Shepherd. As for the horse and Dave...who knows on this island?! Also like TLCM's Dave theory- re: Dave being LIbby's hubby and someone who died as a result of Hurley's accident. Maybe that is why LIbby looked familiar to Hurley and why she was so interested in Hurley while in the mental hospital, and maybe why she wanted to get close to him on the island. hmmmmm
re: Ben- I also don't understand why Juliet would need to kill off Ben when he is already going to die, and didn't Jack seem to think it wouldn't be long? Why not just wait for nature to take over? Unless she's afraid he might find some other cure.
Personally I loved the To Kill a Mockingbird reference since it's one of my favorite books and my blogger name is taken from it (scout). There was something else I was going to add or ask, but can't remember darn it. Oh well.
tlcm & scoutpost... wasn't it determined that Dave was Hurley's imaginary friend, that he didn't really exist? When the doctor took a picture of Hurley in the hospital with his arm around Dave, it was developed and behold, no Dave. So, how could he be Libby's hubby and he really didn't exist? Maybe I'm missing something but that is what I know of Dave.
isibell, loved it! LOL
Cam, Mr. Patchy says, "You!" to who? Locke? BTW, my favorite is still the polar bears (8 and 4)..
Another thing about this week's ep. Why didn't Desmond show any precog powers? And one more, why did Eko react so violently when Locke said his brother's name (Yemmi)?
mkay now i only used the pic with half of his face showing that looks more creepy
ah that last one was to small ill stick with this one
ah man idk either this or the albino squerll wat do u think?
O JOY The Cost of Living is done downloadin on iTunes! YAY!
Speaking of Libby, what was that show called that she left Lost to do? Has it been on the air yet?
ib4uc- what we're saying is- yes he was imaginary or a figment of Hurley's imagination in the mental institution. What TLCM had said was that maybe he was a real person (Libby's husband)who was killed unintentionally by Hurley in his "accident" and that Hurley was just hallucinating that Dave was alive in the hospital because he couldn't accept the fact that he had been responsible for Dave's death. And that perhaps Libby was in the hospital because of the grief from her husband's (perhaps Dave) death. Am I making sense?
Ok I just remembered...
Regarding the fact that Locke saw a bright white light for the smoke monster vs. Eko's vision of it. Remember that as of last night the smoke monster retreats when Locke comes around. Why is that? What kind of quality does Locke have that makes old smokey want to retreat? Has to be more than "goodness".
scoutpost... duh, I misread that whole thing. Thanks for explaining.
Cam794,
I like Mr Patchy, but I like the bears better than the squirrel.
Codysmom said...Why did Eko react so violently when Locke said his brother's name (Yemmi)?
He's very touchy about his brother because he was responsible for Yemi getting killed. He reacted similarly to Charlotte Malkin (the australian girl who was the psychic's daughter):
CHARLOTTE: He says you were a good priest.
EKO: Who says that?
CHARLOTTE: Yemi.
EKO [shocked]: Speaking about my brother is not a joke, so you should be very careful what you say next.
CHARLOTTE: I saw him when I was -- between places. He said that you would come and see me. He said that even though you were pretending, you're a good man.
EKO: Who put you up to this? Did your father tell you to do this?
CHARLOTTE: He wants you to know that he will see you soon. He said that even though you don't have faith in yourself, that he has faith in you.
EKO: Why are you doing this to me? What do you want from me? Why are you doing this to me?!
Hmmm... I had forgotten until just now that Libby seemed to recognize Hurley. When he asked if he knew her from somewhere, she made up that lame story about him stepping on her foot on the plane, but I got the impression that she knew exactly where he knew her from. Which begs the question - did she know him only from the hospital (he would be hard to miss, afterall) or did she know him from the accident? Did she go into the hospital because she was having a breakdown, or was she stalking Hurley? For that matter, was she STILL stalking Hurley when they got on the plane?
Interesting, dennis. If Yemi was going to see him soon, then at least one of the Yemi's Eko saw on the island must have been the real one (perhaps the one who told him to find the question mark). Unless Yemi meant that he would see Eko soon in the afterlife.
Also, I like that the real Yemi believed that Eko was a good person and had forgiven him. Too bad the island Yemi didn't feel the same way!
Codysmom - On Desmond's powers...speaking as someone who has no psychic power herself, but knows people who do...It isn't always something you can control. If someone has been a psychic for a long time usually they can control it in that they can keep from seeing everything all the time (which I would imagine would be a bit maddening), and they can leave themselves open for visions. But summoning visions on command is not an easy task. If Des just got his power, or has had it for a wile but has been denying it, he wouldn't have that kind of control yet.
hmmmmmmm i have discoverd somthing when Paulo comes out of the bathroom in The Pearl theres somthing on the back of his shirt lemme see if i can see what it is................it looks like it says CIELO
AGUA
Y
TERRA
can any1 translate this??? sounds spanish
cie·lo
m.
sky
(atmósfera) atmosphere
(paraÃso) heaven
figurative (la Providencia) Heaven
(parte superior) top
colloquial (querido) dear, darling
heres some definitions for cielo. heaven,sounds like stuff going on in the ep.
ill keep looking
a·gua
f.
water
(lluvia) rain
architecture (vertiente) slope, pitch
maritime, nautical (abertura) leak
(marea) tide
Peru colloquial money
auga=water? The Hydra?
the Y part is and i think
Wow, I've tried all day to read the new comments and just finished. Plus my supervisor keeps coming by.
I've been generating a theory about the Others, and I think it's time to share.
I think they are trying to live in a utopian society, but like all utopias, things get pretty screwed up in the name of the common good. (Some books for example: 1984, Clockwork Orange, Brave New World...go read summaries on Wiki if you don’t know what I mean.)
They need a fertility doctor to keep them at peak population. Thus Juliet might be there for birth control dispensing as well as helping couples conceive.
So, they are connected to the outside world, and are very prepared for plane crashes to occur. They can do extensive background checks and research on people, and of course observe them as much as possible. Anyone ending up on the island is either be killed off or absorbed by their society if deemed worthy enough.
Children are blank slates and so are immediately worthy enough; in addition they think it is merciful to bring the children into their society.
I think they want Jack and Kate to be part of their group, broken down and maybe brainwashed until they no longer wish to leave the island.
Sawyer could go either way – he may be there to con the Losties (shout out to sunbruise), or there may be something we don’t know about him yet.
Still forming this theory completely, but I'm willing to accept any input.
tie·rra
f.
(planeta) Earth
land
viajar por tierra to travel by land
earth, soil
tierra de batán fuller's earth
(suelo) ground, earth
caer a tierra to fall to the ground
(patria) country, soil
mi tierra natal my native soil
(comarca) land, region
agriculture (campo) land
tierra de cultivo arable land
electricity ground
it was actuallt tierra not terra so hm lets see does it mean
Sky
Water
and
Earth?
also theres 4 outlines of seagulls on the front of his shirt:2 in the lower left and 2 in the upper right corners hmmmmmmmmmmm
o im flippin awesome! in the movie To Kill a Mocking Bird the main character Gregory Peck was born in 1916! 16!!!!
cam - I apologize as well. For some reason I thought you were the same age as Frogurt - that's why I asked why you weren't in school! Must have mixed you up with someone else. Please go about your business....
Dear Bernard,
As I find you to be entertaining, and I am quite fond of your wife, I must ask that at this time you take Rose and your stuff and run. Run my dear Bernard...run fast run far. For you are the only taillie left. And to loose you before we kill the most useless of the survivors (namely Nikki and Paulo) who have been brought up as the next wave of cannon fodder would be akin to sacrilege. Perhaps you might set out down the beach in search of a place to camp. If so, may I suggest you go south and east, as these are the two directions that no one seems to be interested in.
Be well
Isibell
And I’m sorry…but I am so not sad to see Echo go. Good character, amazing actor, no reason at all to be there any more. He was on a quest to find his brother…and he did…last season. Rest in peace Echo…I won’t miss you.
Well, good night all. Time for this lady to go home. :)
Just wanted to say - I don't always have time to post here after every episode, but I really love coming on here to discuss with everyone. Thanks for the great conversation!
isibell, that was so fantastic! :)
isibell, LOL
There's something about the first two seasons that I miss, not sure what it is.....
Still wondering what people think about this:
Just rewatching the monster scene and wanted to comment about what Ecko said.
Ecko didn't say "We're next.' He said "You're next." Was he specifically directing that towards John since he has had a previous encounter with the monster, then disappeared into the hatch for 20 days. Or was Ecko directing the comment at the group? I think it would be an interesting twist if the monster stalked Locke next.
Diggity - I don't think it was directed at Lock specifically. The monster didn't have to stop drop and run when Lock showed up half way through the ep or at the end. I think I'm going to have to agree with whom ever it was that pointed out the possibility that the monster is now afraid of Locke. Although I also think assigning emotions to the monster at this point is a bit premature.
Hello everybody, I'm a long time follower from TLE days who only now found a way to post.
There's some really good prognostications here that I think are real possibilities in the show. I found Eko's death quite moving, and had to stifle a tear at the end. I think this episode, and his death, form a firm pointer in a certain direction for the show.
Firstly, this episode marks, afaik, the first time we've seen it take real, offensive action. It dragged Locke before, but it wasn't clear what for. It appeared to kill the pilot but again, we weren't sure. It cracks a lot of trees and chases and scares people. But this episode, we saw it set fire to Eko's hut, and then kill him. These are unambiguously violent actions.
Secondly, the monster takes upon itself the right to judge Eko. It condemns him for his actions and executes him where it has no right to do so, presumably because it judges him as 'evil' or as 'failing the test' in some way. Whether it is its own entity or controlled by someone else, at some point someone or something made that judgement, and it is morally unsound to do so, to believe in ones own right to judge others against a given set of values and especially to mete out such a punishment. The smoke monster in killing Eko is not the hand of god or righteous retribution, it is a vindictive killer, though it or whoever controls it may think they have the right. It uses its undoubted force to enact its own opinion upon others.
So the monster is not a neutral agent. It either is, or can be controlled to be, a malevolent force - we have seen it kill. Given the themes of Lost, I don't doubt at some point this will be addressed and those responsible for its control are brought to account. Unless this issue is explained by being explicitly nasty, such as the monster programmed wrong, or those in control either relishing killing people or possibly being forced to undertake the task of selecting those to harass and kill by yet another agent of control.
Perhaps Paolo's T-shirt is a spanish reference to the Marines.... on Air, Land and Sea. :-)
Thanks Dennis for the past dialog of Eko and Charlotte.
Sometimes, especially when our heroes are in the Pearl, Old Smokey sounds exactly like the Id Monster from the "Forbidden Planet" movie. Have we ever entertained the thought that Smokey might be like that? Perhaps the "incident" created this Thing that materializes similar to what the Krell ended up creating with their power machinery, and it got out of control. It would somewhat coincide with the Cerberus, etc., notations that were written on the blast door map. In this case though, instead of someone else's Id coming to get you, the monster would read and detect your own subconscious, and then decide whether to kill you or not. If that was the case, it would explain why it did not hurt Eko the at their first encounter, but did at the second....i.e., first time around Eko was of a very repentent state of mind. And for some reason at the second, Eko had abandoned those feelings and let his pride be the stronger emotion. Considering all the references that TPTB take from other stories........I'm just thinking, not necessarily correct.
Fantastic exchange of ideas today everyone!
Also, cam, I heard the monster sounds during Ben's talk to Jack in the Hydra. So did the person I watch with. So you aren't alone. It may just be aquatic stress sounds though.
Good thoughts on Smokey, Redhex! It surely is very wrong if someone is using the monster to sit in judgement of others on whether or not they deserve to live. And nonetheless horrible if it was created to do that, the creators are not there controlling it anymore, and now it's on it's own, judging and destroying at will!
That explaination would also sit well with the blast door map references.
Right, I too heard Smokey-noise in the Hydra the second time around, but it could be just structure stress, the whale sounds, etc., like you said Red. It was loud enough, I think, that if Ben heard and recognized it as Smokey, he might have acknowledged hearing it, even if only with a look or expression. At this point, I would think that the Others would know about Smokey.
DiggityDirge said...
Ecko didn't say "We're next.' He said "You're next." Was he specifically directing that towards John since he has had a previous encounter with the monster, then disappeared into the hatch for 20 days. Or was Ecko directing the comment at the group?
I thought the same thing when I saw it. If he said "you're next" it can be interpreted either way.
If he said "You're next John", Locke would have said "I'm next" instead of "we're next"
The problem is, we don't know what he said. He could have said "you all are next" or "it's coming for y'all" or "it wants to kill everyone", which would have been pretty clear.
Maybe it's to protect the story line, but why is it that the losties never state the obvious. They are always hiding things from each other, or when they have a chance to find some answers, they just seem to have a brain fart. I mean, you guys are wondering if the others know about smokey. Well, how many encounters have the losties had with the others, but seem never to ask them what it is. And it also seems that they never just sit down and talk about things as a group, like who has seen what, or where people are trekking too. Maybe they need to start their own book club, or12 steps program on how to communicate better, and with common sense. This is something that bothers me constantly.
redhex-THANK YOU!!! somwone actually agree's with me! but yea it might be but it did sound an awefull lot like Mr.Smokey
and capcom thank YOU too :) yea but like i said bfore nothing else sounds like that horrifying mrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroooooooooowwwwwwww clinck-click roooooooooowr errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ooooooooooooooooooooooo
oh yes, and one more thing. Eko (may he R.I.P.) was only a few short feet from the plane or the shaft, why didnt he try to run? Paralyzed with fear? It just seems funny that he seems fearless defying Yemi, then goes chasing it into the forest not knowing what it was, then all of a sudden decides to be scared. I mean come on Eko!!!????
good comments all. Smokey is a an awesome mystery I am dying to see unraveled.
isibell said...
I think I'm going to have to agree with whom ever it was that pointed out the possibility that the monster is now afraid of Locke.
I actually saw it a bit different. Since the monster was responsible for Ecko's hallucianations, the monster did not want to be seen by the other survivors. It would have helped Ecko deduce the island was playing with hsi mind. It's goal was to deal with Ecko and he alone. That is why no one else saw smokey when they came out of the hatch, nor on the way there. It was soley stalking Ecko.
I do not think it is afraid of Locke, just unsure about him as it was intitally with Ecko. The first time smokey appeared Ecko was not afraid, and it analyzed his memeories and catalogged them. In this episode, I think the monster discovered how to intimidate Ecko. By acting as Yemi. I do think the monster will go after Locke next and will find a similar way to exploit Locke.
A lot of people speculated that Smokey let Locke go because Locke wanted it to take him. He did not fear it. I believe those people were right, and now it will come back with a vengence to make Locke fear it.
Christine I too have a problem with the way that the Lostaways NEVER sit down and talk about what has happened, OR, that we are supposed to just assume that they have. That could make for some great Lostaway discussions on the beach, and great dialogue! I guess that TPTB don't have all that much room for flashbacks AND current timeline (which also ticks me off considering the 20 minutes or more of commercial airtime spent!). But it would be very enjoying to see. I think that the lack of dialogue between Losties creates a very isolated feeling while watching the eps. Maybe TPTB are doing that on purpose, maybe not. I don't particularly think that it adds to the show in a good way, because it makes the relatinships that we are supposed to believe in all that more difficult to buy, if we don't see any interaction. I'd like some more dialogue! TPTB would not have to give away too much of the mysteries if they did talk, and it would make their relationshiops seem so much more realistic to me.
Dennis said...
The problem is, we don't know what he said. He could have said "you all are next" or "it's coming for y'all" or "it wants to kill everyone", which would have been pretty clear.
BTW - Congrats on the promo Big Dennis. Well deserved.
I have always been a big fan of this one thread at the fuselage called "The Whispers" It is a bunch of LOST fans with awesome audio equipment that analyze the whispers and other hard to hear dialogue. (intercoms, backwards talk, etc.) I'll be interested to see what they think he said once the analysis is complete. Check it out sometime. In the 3rd post down it contains links to many of the past epi analysis.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=5535
Cam794,
Here is what my roomate who speaks fluent spanish and bits of other languages thinks it says, but there is a little mystery to it.
the words on the back of paolo's shirt....It said " cielo agua y terra" which translates sky , water and earth...cielo and agua being spanish and terra means earth , i believe latin..
Thanks Diggity, I was wondering myself when Eko was whispering, if the whipser-audio people were going to be able to catch that! :-) Lost-Links also has a Whisper section/link.
No new updates anymore on Lost Links I guess. Here's what the site says now,
"LOST LINKS IS NO LONGER IN OPERATION THE FOLLOWING IS ARCHIVED CONTENT"
It still has all the old informatin/links, but will no longer have new info? Too bad, it was a great site.
NEW FINDINGS - No spoilers, but very revealing IMO
Reverse Speech & Back Masking in "Cost Of Living"
I am updating the thread continually...
Newest Finds are nearer the end of thread..."He Is My Brother"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.lost/browse_thread/thread/e60a170970abd059/49aae6d20f75db01?lnk=raot#49aae6d20f75db01
I think it's just you and me right now capcom. Good to see you as always.
Bummer about LOST links going down. I used to check that site from time to time also.
ThinBlue,
What file is that you are analyzing. Is that what Ecko is saying to Locke, or what part of the epi is it?
diggity, I ripped the audio from "Cost Of Living" and have been listening to it backwards
(it helps to be a little crazy, when you go to these extremes :)
I also have been doing th same with the latest Cuse and Lindelof podcast
But the Yemi info comes from the show audio LAST NIGHT
wow....just figured out how poorly abc manages their website and how dumb I have been for the last few weeks. Incase anyone didn't know because I just figured it out, The Offical LOST podcast has been moved to the extra's section of the LOST abc home page.
I kept checking the video portion and the old link to the podcasts, but ThinBlue helped me figure out what I was missing.
Thanks ThinBlue.
Guys,
I realize this thread is getting long. I will have a new post up before midnight tonight. I've got one ready but the content is on my laptop and I'm headed out the door for the evening and don't have time to finish it.
Stick with this one until then. I can't wait to read up on the cool stuff you're talking about...BACK SPEAK???!!!
diggity-thanks alot for your help with the tranlations :)
no worries Cam. Glad I could help.
Capcom and Christine: I agree. The Losties do not behave like real people or like I would in their situation. They're so secretive and don't share any information. They don't ask the right questions. When someone goes off into the jungle, wouldn't you ask if they saw anything or what happened. People come back with wounds and cuts, and very few ask about it. This was my pet peeve about Epi 3 when Locke waltzed into camp after the EMP (having been missing for a day or so) and no one said a thing or showed any interest except Claire and Charlie (and then just barely).
Wonder what happened to Lost Links.
ah man thinblue some definitly AWESOME finds The He is my brother thing is definetly real as for the hello ramses sounds pretty good just cant be sure yet. keep on it!
Thanks David, I am excited about the reverse speech and back masking.....
Mav, Cap & Chris - keep in mind when you ponder all of that, that unlike them...we're smart people who know that information is power. Most 'normal' people are sheep...happy to munch grass and stand in the sun. No questions...no interest...just grass and sun.
Thanks Cam. I post a lot in googlegroups, but when I find something the ARG group might like, I post it here first.
Break time now though. I have listened to the podcast and audio from last nights episodes backwards, and I feel like I am living in a reverse universe , LOL
ooooooo woops i thot that that he is my brotha thing was reversed hehe i did not see the FORWARD title :P
That's awesome TBM, way to keep our TLE espionage going with the audio checks. Thanks for sharing it with us!
BTW, I'm having a very difficult time being afraid of One-Eye-Guy, as he reminds me too much of that ridiculous supervisor at the military academy on the Malcom in the Middle show! Looks just like him. ;-(
Hopefully the LostLinks site will keep the archived info up for a good while.
yea man idk y but Mr.Patchy reminds me of somwone but i just cant quite put my finger on it. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I think Mr. Patchy Kind of Looks Like John Malkovich crossed with Jack's Dad!!!!
Capcom: Mr. Eye Patch isn't scary to me...just creepy. (Where was he when we had "Talk Like a Pirate Day"?) Why didn't the EMP effect him and his station? He seems to have a lot of computer things in the background. Wouldn't the EMP have effected those? Otherville had their communications down because of the EMP.
maven-yea i never thot of that y didnt it affect his computers and the tv's in the pearl and the cameras. maybe it waas just for communication equipment?
HELLLO!!!!! any1 here!?
alright all im tired time for bed nitey nite!!
this may be a rabbit... but..
remember at the end of last season.. a phone rang and a woman answered they said "i think we found it!" who and what was that? was that in the real world? is someone looking for them and did we learn more about it and i just missed it?
sean: Penny Widmore, long lost love of Desmond. Can't wait to see what they do with that!
DiggityDirge said... On the topic of religion, being a Catholic all my life one thing I know a little about is guilt....
We're addressing that topic right now on SotL. Feel free to join us!
Admin, DedJezter: Trickster would equal Jesus and whore would equal Mary? If they weren't telling the truth, it's a valid alternate explanation. Otherwise maybe they were crazy or their followers lied about them, but I think that would have been hard to pull off with all the eye-witnesses.
I haven't seen the episode yet but I have a theory regarding the Jack, Ben, and Juliet "let him die" thing. But it's due to a spoiler I read so I'll post it on the Message Board.
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