"The island stole his reason to live. Tonight, a hunter is reborn!" Get ready to find out exactly what happened to Locke, Eko, Desmond, Charlie, Hurley, and the rest of the survivors on the other side of the island. This episode promises to deliver what we've all been waiting to see! Click HERE to see the promo for this episode and HERE and HERE to see selected Sneak Peeks. Also, READ and WATCH the various parts of this week's Nighline interview with J.J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof, & Carlton Cuse.
Wednesday, October 18, 2006
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I hope we can eventually see what way beyond the sealed off areas of the Swan. Maybe there will be tunnels? Maybe one will lead to other places we haven't seen yet, like the Flame Station on the Blast Door map?
It's possible that our insecure and self-conscious Locke took to wearing a wig to hide his baldness in his past. Otherwise, it does look pretty bad if it's supposed to be his hair. :-p
ha, ha - come on, isibell, say ya' to da UP, eh!
That's probably the bumper sticker that I see the most here in Michigan. :)
And that is a bad rug that they use on Locke - almost as bad as the one they use on Jack!
Me too Blueheron, I hope that TPTB explore that area soon, maybe our Lostaways could discover them and gain an upperhand over the Others. If I were there, I would certainly jump down and check out those tunnels.....also to see if there was any toilet paper left after the blast!
engineer27 said...
"Regarding the Hatch implosion...in order for the large structure to compress down into something that small, all the air inside it would have to be expelled at some point. Depending upon how quickly the collapse occurred, that expulsion could have quite a bit of force behind it, enough to blow the hatch "quarantine" door all the way to the beach. All sorts of other things could have been expelled along with the air -- Locke, Eko, Desmond, Eko's scripture stick, some Apollo bars, etc. My guess is that anything non-ferromagnetic could have been thrown clear. It could be that Desmond's Dharma clothes contain ferromagnetic particles as EM shielding, which would explain why they weren't thrown clear along with him."
Thanks for your input, Engineer27!! I'm glad you know about things like this! Your theory makes a great deal of sense.
Also, Ange said...
"...WHAT IF something was DONE to Desmond. Maybe Des has been somewhere/or was taken somewhere and has no memory of it?"
Ange: If Desmond was taken somewhere, it must have been by our hypothetical 'second' group of Others, because in Episode 2, Benry was surprised to learn about Desmond's sailboat. I'm assuming, based on his surprise, that he also didn't know about the sailboat's owner: Desmond. So, if he WAS taken, it wasn't by Benry's group.
We've all speculated about there being two groups of Others, one civilized (Benry's), and one not (the ones who stole the kids?). Not that Benry is acting very civilized right now, based upon his mistreatment of our Losties. Next week's episode looks like it's going to be gut-wrenching! Poor Sawyer!
Capcom - That's just it...I don't think it's bad props. This is all stuff I learned in Props 101. (Yes I did take a class called Props 101. I was a technical theater major. Yay crew!!!) And personally my pet peeves for continuity are cigarettes and cocktail glasses. No one ever seems to pay attention to those.
blue - that would insult the trolls. ;) plus calling you a yooper is much more insulting in a much more fun way. (I really can't say too much though...It isn't like I lived all that far away from the Upper Peninsula myself.)
All righty everyone - yoopers and not - it's tme for me to pack up and get outta here. Have a good night/day/morning, wherever you are!
Friday's_Child -- I hope you saw melissa_lossa's comment in response, about "magnetic drawers".
That concept still tickles me when I think about it!
It sounds like something DJ Dan would be interested in, to go along with his foil helmet.
One thing that bugs me in the script is how Desmond talked to Hurley about the "magnetic anomaly"...how would he know that it was called that? Unless that was due to his newly found special insight....or perhaps Inman referred to it as that when they were talking about a failure to push the button, I can't remember.
OT -- Isibell, check out "Out of Africa" where Redford is peeling oranges when they're camped out......there's two, there's three, there's two again...peeled, unpeeled, peeled...it's a riot!
Hey guys, I re-watched the episode last night, and I have 2 questions...
1. If you do a screen by screen capture of the polar bear when Locke throws a rock at his forehead, (dead hit in the middle of his forehead), is it just bad animation, or did some black smoke puff out from around the rock as it hit it's head?
2. Did anyone mention to Hurley that the hatch was gone before he said to Desmond "So the Hatch blew off your undies." I can't remember how he found that out.
Cap - I love it! Continuity is fun!
Remember a certain Sri Lankan video, that told us about numbers being broadcast? And remember a sinister TWM saying "We all know what happened. The Dharma Initiative failed."
I wonder if the implosion of the hatch and subsequent non-button pushing is what made Hanso/TWM think that the DI failed.
Not that it really impacts anything, but it distracts me from terrifying thoughts of maneating animated polar bears.
Yep, Engineer27, I got a kick out of that comment as well. I also laughed when you replied about imagining the possibility for product placements. Ha ha ha ha!!
(That WAS you that said that, right?)
MOuntain girl,
If he did say what happened , it wasnt in the episode. Maybe another missing clip that ended on the cutting-room floor t omake room for commercials.
FYSB said...
Remember a certain Sri Lankan video, that told us about numbers being broadcast? And remember a sinister TWM saying "We all know what happened. The Dharma Initiative failed." I wonder if the implosion of the hatch and subsequent non-button pushing is what made Hanso/TWM think that the DI failed.
I can see where you are coming from since the hatch imploded in 2004 and TLE took place in '06, but I get the feeling the DI failed long before the hatch imploded. Juliett seems to infer that the DI is over with her comment from epi one with Jack. "Doesn't matter who we were, just who we are." Juliett is speaking in 2004.
Gosh, Christine#2, you made some extremely observant comments!
Here they are again:
"1. If you do a screen by screen capture of the polar bear when Locke throws a rock at his forehead, (dead hit in the middle of his forehead), is it just bad animation, or did some black smoke puff out from around the rock as it hit it's head?
2. Did anyone mention to Hurley that the hatch was gone before he said to Desmond "So the Hatch blew off your undies." I can't remember how he found that out."
Now I have to go watch the show again. Frame by frame, if I must. If I see any black smoke puff off the bear's forehead, I am going to howl!!
And as for Hurley's comment to Des, you're right. Since Hurley was on the other side of the island with J, K & S, HOW DID HE KNOW THAT THE HATCH HAD BLOWN??
Diggity, Julie also says, "That was a long time ago." as well.
Darkendimage, No double posting. No double posting.
Ha ha! Just kidding! I'm having trouble with the blog accepting my posts too, and it's tempting to hit the button a second time.
Gosh, you're fast, Dark!
Darkendimage said...
Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but I noticed there were some similarties between Locke's hold up with Eddie and Sun's hold up with Colleen.
I was going to comment on this but after rewatching the scenes I decided not to. Eddie says to Locke, "I'm sorry Johm but you're not going to shoot me. Your not a murderer. You're a good man."
In Colleen\Connie scene she says, "No you won't Sun. I know you Sun Wok Wun, and I know you are not a killer."
At first pass I thought was another moment of deja vu, but after rewatching it seems Connie is very sure Sun won't shoot, but Eddie is not sure if Locke will shoot.
Maybe I just thought myself out of it, but I don't think they are that simiar anymore.
Good points about the DI, but remember, Kelvin, an admitted member of the DI, was in that hatch pushing the button as of just a few years ago. Juliet may or may not have known about Desmond (and they sure didn't know about his boat). And just because Juliet says she's not DI anymore doesn't mean that DI doesn't exist.
good counter FYSB. I also got the feeling from Kelvin that he was fogotten about and his replacements never came. (i.e. something changed and he was forgotten about) In fact I think that it why the other person in the hatch killed himself.
Anyway, we'll have to see how it plays out.
Hey, Christine#2: I looked at that polar bear scene. I think you just saw the black rock. It didn't look like a puff of black smoke.
Also, it was very strange when Hurley starts to tell Desmond that Kate, Jack and Sawyer had bags put over their heads, he immediately goes into Locke's speech about rescuing them...Seems like he knew about the capture before Hurley started mentioning it (which also took quite a while before he did...it's something I would say immediately).
looks like everyone has taken off. Going to take a break and check back later.
I just checked the front page of Lostpedia and read the story about UK broadcasting rights for Lost.
It looks like before long the UK folks will be able to see the episodes shortly after they air in the US. That's good news!
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Hey hey TLCEers! I am slowly getting back online...was out sick again for a bit. No worries, I am fine.
The new season is proving to be a good disstraction from the LOSS OF LOST ARG LOL
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Lena! I was thinking about you since the other day and wondering how you were. Thanks for checking in! Good to hear that you're better!
Anybody catch The Office tonight? In a series of silly questions Dwight asked Ryan he asked "What is the DHARMA Initiative. IT was just funny
anyone just see the lost ref on "the office."?
dwight is drilling ryan with questions about sales.
what's the greatest danger to dunder mifflin?
whats michaels greatest fear?
WHAT IS THE DHARMA INITIATIVE?
i was laughing for 10 minutes!
Passafist and Sean: Thanks for the Office info. Will look for it tonite (I'm a westcoaster). (I don't know, is that considered a spoiler? LOL)
Hey Sean/Passafist...I thought I imagined it! I was in the kitchen and thought "I swear, Dwight just said Dharma Initiative".
That's hilarious!
Thanks guys for clearing up the questions I had. I figured it was just cruddy animation. I also didn't realize that we should assume people were caught up on things off screen. Even with that said, we saw hurley left alone while Locke and Charlie walked away, and also we saw from the moment Desmond appeared to Hurley. I can't see how there could be off-screen moments where they caught up, but it's probably just a script flaw.
Maven, I agree that Desmond didn't seem too concerned or shocked when Hurley talked about the bags over K,J, and S's heads.
I also agree with people that Charlie is acting odd. I don't feel like its because he was an outsider before, but rather he seems like he has knowlege of something devious.
Melissa_Lossa and blueheron13 -
Hello, fellow Michiganders! And, yes, I was the one who got all excited about the "abduction" at Potbelly's in Troy because while that was happening I was at the dentist a mile away:)
blueheron13 - small world...you're moving to my city (St.Hgts)! I've been here almost 20 years, although I'm not originally from the Southeast MI area. I grew up in E. Lansing and I'm an MSU grad and fan. It's hard to be green in a blue neighborhood:)
bpfinn - Welcome to the world of posting! I was thinking about the Swan hatch also. When Benry says he wants Desmond's boat in the last episode....maybe he realizes that since the failsafe key was used, getting away from the island without just going in circles is possible now.
bpfinn: Welcome to being de-lurked! Good first post, too. I would think that the Losties would miss the Swan Station. It had all the comforts of home and a good stash of goodies. No one seemed that upset about it.
Hey Y'all,
I don't know about this being this worst episode ever. There was 2 or 3 episodes in S1 that were a waste of film. I watched S1 on DVD and when I hit one of the stinky ones I had to watch 2 more too get the smell out of the room! Don't ask me which ones, for I've blocked them out of my memory. :)
Dig Y'all later
I feel that the loss of the Swan may have been a necessary plot detail to make the show move forward. Did you see all the Losties building houses and utensils etc. I really enjoyed Lockes coconut ladel in his sweat lodge. It almost seems that they are building their own Otherville, except that they can call it Lostieville. Now we can see them making due and excepting their fate as permanent residents of the island. I like when Charlie sent Hurley to "the kitchen" to get some bandages. So maybe they have a sort of community cafeteria set up. Sometimes I feel that we fail to notice that the Losties are to the others, as the others are to the Losties. Whenever an other might enter their town, they would most likely do exactly what the others are doing to Jack, Kate and Sawyer... making them Prisoners. So now the Losties are "the others" to the Others as well. So can we really despise the others for what they are doing, even though that is what the losties are doing as well?
I like that Boone said that Locke needed to help his family. Does that mean the Locke feels that the Losties are now his family, and he needs to protect them? Maybe Locke feels that he can redeem himself for his past wrongs by helping his new family.
Hey all- thought I would be more into the discussion, but still working on getting back into the swing of things after being out of town. Last night was hubby's birthday and we went out to eat- I totally forgot to set the recorder! Soooo unlike me- what does this say about me, am I not a dedicated LOST fan? What will all the TLCer's think of me? hehe
I watched it this afternoon on abc.com. Personally I liked this episode- but I really like the mystic and spiritual angle and was sooo glad to see the old Locke back. Don't imagine I have anything new to add right now- so I'm off to bed. Check in with you guys tomorrow!
Wow, It's taken me all morning to catch up. Well being an idiot I dowloaded the wrong episode of Lost so i'll the much berated episode 3 tonight.
Now I'm going to leave some of my comments for the podcast as I'll be recording my audio tonight. Very interesting news that Channel 4 have lost Lost to Sky 1. This will really upset a lot of people as Channel 4 is terrestrial as well as digital where as SKY 1 is cable and Satellite only.
Although I have Sky being a sad Lost addict (my wife keeps saying it's only a TV show)I will probably still download the episodes I can't stand commercials and SKY1 is really bad for commercials, I guess it'll boost Sales for Sky though.
Look forward to seeing the Dharma Inhanced Super Polar Bear (or was it the smoke monster!)
I was sompletely confused by the Michigan, Wisconsin thing between you guys, you're all just Yanks to us :P
DA the Limey
Hi Guys,
thought this article from the Technology section of the BBC website about Lost might be of interest.
Click Here
Why would locke want to grow weed? I dont get it.
Hi AlexI don't think Locke had any interest in growing weed, all he wanted was acceptance and a sense of purpose. He found that at the commune (and they got someone who would work hard and do what he was told). He then thought that he had found the same thing on the island after the crash.
codysmom - hi! I knew there was someone who had been in Troy when the abduction happened, I just couldn't remember who! Glad to know there's at least three of us in the Land of the Great Lakes. :)
Sorry, Dark Angel. Just more "yank" talk! ;)
Hi Melissa_Lossa
Thats OK you should have seen some of the boring stuff about the UK we used to chat about on TLEc when you guys in the US were all still asleep.
LOL Christine#2! For some reason my attention zeroed in on Locke's coconut ladle as well, and I wanted to make one. :-D
Alex, I don't get why Locke would be into an MJ farm either. To quote Hank Hill ("King of the Hill"), "Why would anyone want to do drugs, when they can just mow the lawn." :-) Hank's into his lawn.
DA, I found the UK discussions interesting! BTW, does the Sky channel have a Lost section yet like Channel4? Let us know when it does.
dark angel,
Thanks for posting the BBC news article about Sky1's purchase of Lost. The article intimates that Sky1 paid a lot for the show, then goes on to say that "Broadcast magazine reckons the firm is paying £20m." Of course, what they meant was 20E+6 pounds (20 Megapounds), but what they wrote was equivalent to 20E-3 pounds (20 millipounds), or 2p. Pretty cheap, in my book.
(There I go, being an engineer again.)
Hi, all:
Christine#2: Great observation. I wondered why the Losties didn't seem so upset about losing the hatch. We never saw that many in the hatch, did we? They were busy setting up Lostieville! How many othe "villes" are on that island? It's getting pretty crowded there. We've got urban sprawl now!
Of course, the Losties did make Ben a prisoner and treated him pretty roughly when he was captured. Tit for tat, I guess! LOL
Mountain girl: Yes, when Dwight said "The Dharma Initiative" on "The Office" last night it was so funny! (Some eastcoasters let the cat out of the bag, so I knew it was coming!). Maybe TPTB at "The Office" were paying a tribute to us since we were trying to decide if we were Dwights, Michaels, or Jim/Pams a while ago.
As the Nightline interviewer mentions in the conversation with DL and CC: The Others have yet to kill anyone. They shot Sawyer, and have certainly been cruel. But all the deaths so far (including Others) have been "accidents" (Boone, the schoolteacher), or killed by Losties (Shannon, AnaLucia, Ethan, Goodwin, Libby,....). I guess the pilot's death we've been blaming on "the smoke monster," but we don't really know who he works for yet.
Great comments, all, and fwiw I thought it was a good episode, just not enough LOST for my appetite. the cominig attractions for next week look awesome, and LOCKE is back, baby! And he's pissed at Benry, did you see the look Locke gave Hurley when he said Benry was "like, their leader"? Mad enough to chew nails and spit nickles! LOL
engineer27: what about the guy they killed when Ethan wanted Claire? Somebody came out of the ocean and killed (Steve?). So the Others have killed.
amused: I also noticed Locke's look and thought, watch out Benry, John's gonna put a major hurt on ya when he finds ya.
amused: you're right -- I think that was Ethan that killed Steve(?) and later issued threats that he wanted Claire or else. So, the Others have killed...
Funny to hear Dwight bring up the Dharma Initiative on 'The Office' last night. I knew he was a fan though, he writes about Lost in his blog.
From January:
http://blogs.nbc.com/office/archives/archive_2006-w02.html
amused - in case you didn't see my post earlier. I came across another preview for next week: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsPwQb9ChEo
Eng27, don't forget that Ethan hung Charlie, didn't he?
Maven, the Lostaways need to put up a city limits sign! "Welcome to Lostville, Population 42 and counting down"
Er, DA I meant does the Sky *website* have a Lost section, that didn't come out right.
Just checked with Lostpedia, it was Scott that was killed. Ethan threatened that he would kill one survivor a day if Claire did not return. Scott was the first victim.
Ya'll are right about Locke's look when Benry was mentioned! After all that trusting of then-Fenry in the Swan, he is going to finally get some payback on someone who duped him big time.
thanks cattygirl. awesome!
Wednesday can't come soon enuf.
Capcom, I just hope that Locke doesn't underestimate the Others. He needs to have a plan that doesn't backfire.
Re: Lost and The Office...
Seems to me that Lost made a shout out to the original British version of BBC during season one. Remember Charlie's rich girlfriend's dad? I believe I remember a scene where the dad was going to buy a paper company in Slough. Am I nuts?
Amused2bHere said... Just checked with Lostpedia, it was Scott that was killed. Ethan threatened that he would kill one survivor a day if Claire did not return. Scott was the first victim.
Don't forget Goodwin killed Nathan (the guy Ann Lucia had in the pit)
FYSB said... Seems to me that Lost made a shout out to the original British version of BBC during season one. Remember Charlie's rich girlfriend's dad? I believe I remember a scene where the dad was going to buy a paper company in Slough. Am I nuts?
You might be :) But you remembered correctly. Nice memory
CHARLIE: So where is the old man?
LUCY: I don't know. I think he's buying some paper company up in Slough.
snickers
I totally set myself up for that one Dennis!
True Amused, Locke better really get his caveman hunting mojo down right, and have good contingiency plans as well, in case things don't go exactly as planned. The Others always seem to be impossible for the Lostaways to predict or catch off guard and they never have backup plans. Especially considering the way that Sayid's plan seems to have failed...but we may just have seen phase one of that mission, hopefully Sayid's got more planned there.
We're not really sure what happened to Nathan. He might show up in the series finale (%&^>
Can't remember all the way back to season 1. Did we actually see Scott dead, or did he just disappear like so many other Other victims?
Nice JGZ! Thanks for the site.
Lost Links has posted a page fully describing the inscriptions on Eko's stick as well:
http://www.lostlinks.net/jesusstick.htm
engineer27 said... We're not really sure what happened to Nathan. He might show up in the series finale
I'm sure... Goodwin broke his neck.
[At night. Goodwin opens the pit.]
GOODWIN: Grab the rope. I'll pull you up. [He pulls Nathan up] Ana-Lucia's -- I think we all think that she's going to hurt you. Now, you need to get away from here. [He hands Nathan a package wrapped in leaves] There's some fruit in there, now just go.
NATHAN: Which way's the beach?
GOODWIN: That way, maybe 5 miles.
[Nathan starts to leave and Goodwin breaks his neck.]
engineer27 said... Can't remember all the way back to season 1. Did we actually see Scott dead, or did he just disappear like so many other Other victims?
He was found dead.
[They hear a woman scream and go running to the beach where there's a body in the sand.]
BOONE: What happened?
SAYID: Is he alive?
BOONE: Oh, god.
SAYID: How did he get past us?
[Shot of Charlie, Kate and Hurley at the beach.]
HURLEY: I thought those guys had a full on perimeter set up.
KATE: Locke said it didn't matter -- he came in from the water.
HURLEY: You sure it wasn't an accident? I mean, maybe the guy just drowned or something.
KATE: His neck was broken, his arms, all the bones in his fingers.
HURLEY: Yeah, okay. Got it.
SAWYER [entering]: Guess old Steve drew the short straw.
HURLEY: Dude, that was Scott.
[Shot of a burial mound.]
I just noticed in the transcript from above, that Sayid asked how the Others got past secuirty, and Locke said "he came in from the water".
This is exactly what happened in the Glass Ballerina.
Fool Sayid once, shame on the Others.
Fool Sayid twice, shame on Sayid.
Hey EVerybody. Just wanted to let you all know that Steve and I are going to record the podcast tomorrow morning and I am seriously hoping that you'll all be a part of it. I'll be honest we have absolutly no MP3 content from anyone ans was seriously hoping for some. WORD UP and Namaste!
David...
oh wait allow me provide you an e-mail address passafistwastaken@gmail.com.
OT: I have to say it, after looking through the screencaps again.....Ian Somerhalder is the new Rob Lowe. I'm serious, and not being salacious (I just fixate on faces due to being a portrait artist). He really does have extremely unique looks and killer eyes. His agent needs to get working on getting him more exposure as an actor while he's hot off the Lost train.
Shame on Sayid indeed, Dennis. Let's hope that phase 2 of Sayid's plan, to catch the Others on the boat, will happen. If it doesn't, tsk, tsk, Sayid must be losing his edge.
capcom, must say I have to agree with you abt Boone........
About the boat..Benry says he wants it and I'm wondering why? Do you think that now that the magnetic anomoly isn't harnessed by the Swan station, it is now possible to sail away (instead of going around in circles)? I'm not convinced that the 325 heading Ben gave Michael works, I guess time will tell on that. I almost wonder if Ben wants it for himself to get off the island.
400th!
New Post on the front page to alleviate the lag.
Codysmom - I think the heading Benry gave Michael wasn't bogus. I think that heading took Michael and Walt exactly where Benry wanted them to go. Right into the hands of....The Others. I think there was someone waiting for them out on the open sea...and Benry told Michael just where to go to find them. No one is getting off that island without the Others say so. At least not for now.
: )
Does anyone else notice how Charlie's face changed from season 2 to season 3? his nose is all weird now - he looks like a completely different person. Does anyone know what happened to Dominic's face?
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