Tonight, Jack and Kate disagree over strategy for saving the island returnees; Locke consolidates his leadership of the Others; and Sawyer and Juliet raise suspicions at the Dharma Initiative.
I'd say we're WAY past "raising suspicion" at the Dharma Initiative.
And if Locke is the leader of the Others now, what does that mean for Richard, or poor forlorn Ben?
I'd say we're WAY past "raising suspicion" at the Dharma Initiative.
And if Locke is the leader of the Others now, what does that mean for Richard, or poor forlorn Ben?
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 353 of 353lol I did that last week. I was comment 201 then too. It kind of strange to see your comment there alone. It makes me wonder if it was sent.
Just didn't want SG to be lonely over here on the new page. :)
And how 'bout another cheer for Sayid while we're here! Hip hip. . .
hooray!!
lol thanks lost2010
2costa, good point about Locke's attitude toward Jacob possibly mirroring season 2 when he thought the button wasn't important. It fits with Doc Jensne's mirror theory as well.
thanx, i disagree with it always being a loop, i think that after next week the time loop will be over and resolved, and anyone that makes it back to 2007 will no longer have to worry about time paradoxes or whatever and season six will be about the war on the island in 2007/8. I think that is partly why Ben destroyed the vault in the orchid, to lockdown the time line after the loop is resolved. In a pinch Ben could have used the tunnels to access the donkey wheel, but he had to turn the wheel in a way that locke would be able to find it later, when it was his turn to turn the wheel.
funny how the french transmission was on a loop of iterations all the way back in season 1, seems like the writers might have always intended on time travel in the story.
If locke knows christain isnt jacob, then i wonder what he makes of ghost horace lying and saying he would find jacob in the cabin? I also wonder if Ben's parler trick in jacob's cabin the first time was meant to have locke follow christains orders the second time?
Happy Bithday to InEnglandandLost.
(God save the Queen.)
We're off to see the Wizard
The Wonderful Wizard of Oz
We hear he is a Whiz of a Wiz
If ever a Wiz there was
If ever, oh ever, a Wiz there was
The Wizard of Oz is one because
Because, because, because, because, because
Because of the wonderful things he does
We're off the see the wizard
The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.
(EH Harburg wrote the lyrics.)
It seems that no one has ever seen Jacob;so Locke and his people are going to get to the bottom of this
all powerful,and all knowing, mystery man .I'm not sure what John plans to do when this finaly happens,but he's got the Mojo now.
Happy Birthday InEnglandandLost!!
Happy Birthday In England and Lost.
I say yes to a new book club! What do you guys think?
We have a couple of books left over from last year, and a few new ones from this year.
You can find the official list HERE.
Let me know what needs to be added, rearranged, etc.
When do you guys want to start?
Anything but Ulysses!
memphish - you read my mind!
That sounds good to me. I've read 3 of the 6. So maybe I could keep up this year.
I've also read Lost Horizon (years ago) in the extra credit and I have Our Mutal Friend but I haven't started it yet.
I think it's bad luck to read "Our Mutual Friend".
Since I already finished The Survivors of the Chancellor, I vote for that one. :)
Quick poll. Do you think at this point whatever happened has happened or have we already seen something that changed things?
I can't decide which. Let's assume that WHH, the Incident occurs, protocols are put in place, why doesn't Chang let his wife and Miles come back? During the Purge we see women on the Island. When did they arrive? Are there no kids after this evacuation? I also think this is when Annie leaves, but since Ben isn't there he can't say goodbye, etc. leaving him missing his one friend into adulthood. I could easily be satisfied with that.
If WHH we know that Horace and Chang and presumably Radzinsky survive the Incident, but is everyone else new? How is there a 12-year-old Ethan on the Island? A 25 year old one?
Happy Birthday to InEnglandandLost!
Great questions, Memphish! (Are you going to continue your QOTD during the hiatus?) I hope we get some answers to some of these plot holes.
And I'm for the Book Club to continue. As long as the choices are available on Kindle for iPhone! I love having my book with me where ever I go!
I don't know Maven. I'd really like to rewatch the series from start to end of S5 before S6 starts, but I think I more want to watch it for enjoyment rather than theorizing. I think we're at the point we're it's more important to recognize and embrace what TPTB have done with the story. There's a reason they get paid to write and I don't.
Up to this point I'm thinking what ever happened, happened Chang evacutated the island before.
Now what ever Jack does may or may not change things.
The only reason that I can think of that Mrs. Chang didn't come back would be she was so mad not getting a reason for leaving she didn't want to hear anything he had to say.
As far as the suvivors I'm sure Chankg, Horace and Radzinsky were't the only survivors just the only ones we know of. There's plenty of red shirts out there.
Hurley said there were 30 armed people. I don't know if that's the whole camp or just the security squad. But I wouldn't think it was the whole camp when they bring in new recruits every couple of weeks.
@Memphish: I hear you! We do seem to be getting more answers than questions! Comments really taper off faster after an episode lately! Personally, I'm a little burned out at this point on speculating about what is or is about to happen. The pace has picked up so much, that I'm enjoying the ride now just experiencing it!
Still love to be involved here.
after change realizes that there were time traveler affecting things in 1977, he probably put the no contact with the outside world policy into affect , that we say in the swan film,as to not mess up the space time continuum, much like the frieghtys phones only connected to each other.
Not everybody is gonna be able to fit on the sub before the incident. Horace may not be as pumped to send off his family as chang is since he doesn't have knowledge of the incident.
Perhaps Chang knows by staying he cant ever contact his family again. His wife couldn't find the island even if she tried. I'm sure we will see how ethan became an other. We still need to see how ben went back to dharma in 1977.
I heard some of you saying you had a bad spoiling from the clip from next week, I think that big bang was part of the terminator ad they had edited together with the lost ad?
Happy Birthday InEnglandandLost!
Hey, I liek that idea 2costa, about why Chang implemented the no-contact rule.
No, the spoiler wasn't that, it was that something we were led to believe happened didn't happen as of next week, and it would have been nicer if we didn't know till next week, because then we could at least think that it did happen for a while. If that makes any sense at all! :-B
Your points are very plausible, 2costa. Maybe Chang issuing a "cone of silence" for the island has kept the outside world at bay for these many years. Momma Chang did look visibly upset at the sub send-off, so she probably held that thought that her husband abandoned them all through her life. And that sub couldn't hold everyone in the DI could it?
One way that they could get more people off the island would be to jam everyone that they could into the LG moonpool room, and then take them one trip at a time back to The World from there. Maybe being underwater and off-island would at least protect them from whatever the incident does (spew radiation?). But that's just my little piece of mental fan fiction, I don't really think they'll do that.
I think the fact that Locke and the 316 people are marching around in 2008, and the crash did occur, means that whatever happened happened. If that makes sense.
Whatever they're about to do is why things end up the way they end up. . .now that's not to say that I think they'll all survive whatever is about to happen.
They pretty much lost me once the Oceanic 6 got off the island as far as being the fan I once was. But that's just mainly because I prefered what it has turned out were the filler episodes where they had a ping pong tournament on the beach or where they built a golf course. . .but I'll hang around to finish the ride out of course. I just don't care quite as much as I used to how it all comes out. :)
Actually, why would the numbers be printed on the Swan's entrance? The Swan's protocol of entering the numbers hasn't been established yet. As far as we know the Swan was designed to be a facility for researching electromagnetic energy, right?
I don't think we've seen the numbers anywhere on the island come to think of it. Although we know they are being broadcast via the radio tower.
I think the numbers will come to haunt the Island as they do Hurley. We know they are essential to the DIs work and that presumably as you say BlueHeron they are currently being broadcast (though maybe that doesn't happen until all the stations are built). Then once they need numbers they just use those numbers much the same way that people like to keep their old phone number or use the same password for different functions even though we really shouldn't.
@Memphish
If our only choices are whatever happened, happened (WHH) versus obliterating the whole timeline we've already seen unfold on the show, then I really hope they go with WHH.
One of the many, many things I don't understand at the moment: Why does Jack (and Daniel for that matter) assume that if the timeline is obliterated, that Flight 815 will land safely in LA? The plane had already experienced problems and headed off course long before it flew into the island's "radius". At best, wouldn't 815 have to attempt a landing in Fiji? Or maybe crash on some other island altogether?
Exactly Memphish, according to Hanso in the Sri Lanka vid, the Numbers are the essense of why they went to the island, to find the solution to the VE problem and report back when they've found it.
Yes, that turning off-course thing has been a sort of open end that has bugged me forever. Why did they turn off-course in the first place? Did the plane fly into the vortex area (maybe while the island was moving into a new position?), lose communications and go off-course, and then Des brought it down?
Or was someone on the plane heading there? Cindy perhaps? (Ancient conspiracy theory.)
I think I'm leaning toward the idea that whatever it is Jack, Sayid, Ellie and Richard are up to is what happened originally in 1977. The 815ers and Radzinsky and everyone else will be the cause of their own misery. They could mess with us and leave us hanging wondering if Jack changed things or not and even come back with a couple of what might have been episodes to start S6 in a Heroes alternate timeline fashion, though that would probably drive a huge portion of the fan base insane.
In a Heroes fashion???? I.....will....keeeeell....them! :-o
Well hopefully in that Season 1 "Five Years Later" fashion and in no way like anything they've done since the S1 finale. But that's the thing about alternate timelines. There are good examples of it out there; Ugly Betty Ep 2.1 was a standout, but if you try it you will be slathered with Heroes disparagement I'm sure.
Just finished the episode. Hooray for Locke! Not so much his weird island knowingness as his calling out the powers that be on the island. The Others operate like a cult with only the top knowing what's going on, taking mysterious orders, etc... And who is Jacob or the island or whoever to say who has what destiny or to give them any job at all? I guess TPTB are saying that Locke has that right because he's choosing his own destiny and creating it for his younger self.
I'd like to see Jacob get his come-uppance.
I started wondering if Dharma used the Lamppost to make the food drop deliveries into the Swan in 2004.
Hope everyone has a great Mother's Day!
Eloise Hawking could use some mothering lessons!
I always thought that it would be cool if dharma made the food drop at some weird bearing, that allowed the same food to be dropped over and over in perpetuity. Like the same food over and over on a loop, but to different times on the island and if you saw the old pallet and the new pallet at the same time, it would be like locke watching richard stitch up his 2 month younger self. Why else would the food drops come by air and not sub,like all the other dharma stuff? Or the food is all there on the island and it just gets shot out and parachuted out from within the island. This would mean all the food was from 1992 at the earliest, but hugo didn't mind the 20 yr old crackers and sawyer likes that skunky old dharma beer, so who knows.
Happy Mother's Day tomorrow to all the LoCo Moms.
Happy Belated birthday InEngland and Lost.
I have been blessed to be extremely busy with work so have only watched the last two episodes without any follow up.
TPTB always seem to come strong when they are leading to the finale, I thought this episode was exceptional right up until Kate got on the sub.
Sayid saving the day was really well played. i had forgotten about him. i actually thought he dropped the gun after he shot ben.
Richard & Ellie seem so casual after his people get shot.
i wonder has anyone ever not made it swimming to one of the underground tunnels, it seems far?
Sawyer & Juliet - spin off worthy couple along with miles and hurley. whos the president? still makes me laugh.
the tunnels!
locke,ben & richard. had some good tv moment. locke - i brought dinner. ben - why do you think i tried to kill him. and ben saying richard has had that job for a long time. but i dont know what side of the fence i am on with locke. he is kinda "drunk with power" but he was reincarnated. that could add some extra swagger to your step.
i think i am coming to the realization that i probably will not be satisfied with any ending that is presented. the WHH way just takes us back to the beginning. the changing everything means that there is just another story that is yet to be told. which does not necesarily mean a happier ending.
would like to see rose, bernard, vincent, and the people at the temple.
so the F4 were all kids from the island. is frank going to end up being someones daddy.
as i read to catch up i figured there would be more post for this episode.
PS i hope sawyer does get to kill Phil. and horace is kind of a wimp to let rat boy take over leadership so easily. doesnt seem like the dharma way
Rewritten for corrections. :-p
Good points Bigdog. LOL, especially about Locke's swagger. You're right, it did look as if Sayid threw down the gun after he shot Ben, maybe he thought better of it and went back to get it? Yes, Horace's weak reaction to Rad was odd, but I guess since Rad had a gun he had the upper hand. It would be weird if Rose and Bernie were prisoners of the Hostiles all this time, at least that would explain why they've been out of the picture, even in reference. Phil does need to get killed, he needs to go back to his role on Mad Men. :-)
radinsky and his guns. someone needs to just give him a good old fashion butt kicking...
I hope for a better story for Rose and bernard than just capture. i would be happy if someone just mentioned them.
havent seen mad men but heard good stuff about the show. it will be a summer netflix.
Lastly, To all the mothers out there i hope you all have a great and happy mothers day.
Wishing all you Loco Moms, a Happy Mothers Day Eve.
In case no one mentioned it,
Don't forget to watch the Ace of Cakes "Lost" tonight at 9pm EST.on the Food network.
what ever happened happened is not really on the table anymore, unless any of you think that kate, hurley, jack, and jin are all gonna die in front of richard in the finale. It seems like something will have to change.
Coming out of lurkdom to post a link from my local paper about Radzinsky. Didn't know he was from my area.
Eric LangeHappy Mother's Day to the Loco moms. Back to lurking...
Happy Mother's Day all LoCo Moms!
Happy Mother's Day.
For all you've done;seen and unseen.
Playing good Mom/bad Mom;knowing that your child may hate you now, but will thank you later;(much later).
For the little things;like packed lunches,goodnight kisses,and those little surprises that make them so happy.
For all these things,and so many more...
It's payback time.
Enjoy your special day,You are a special Mom.
May God bless you all ,and continue to fill you with His love,and strength;for the days ahead.
Do you think the Others saw 316 crash? They don't seem to be worried about other people when Locke finds them on the beach.
It's just dawned on me Locke invented Jacob. Jacob is first mentioned by Locke to Richard in 1954. Richard then decides to create this Man Behind the Curtain based on Locke's claim that this person, Jacob, drives what happens on the Island for the Others. Ben somehow discovers the sham, uses it to usurp Charles' power and continues the con to keep power. The thing that we saw speak to Locke in the cabin is an Island manifestation like taller ghost Walt. The Island then decides to use Christian as Jacob's representative 'cause that's an easier way to manifest itself. The reason Hurley can see the cabin and those in it is because that's his power, seeing and interacting with dead people and their stuff.
I'm leaning towards the surviving 316 passengers being Others.
I felt that Richard recognized the name Jacob when Locke used it. But I like your theory.
I've been thinking when Richard went to test young Locke maybe the reason Richard was so upset wasn't because Locke didn't chose the book of laws/rules, which is what I thought. But because he didn't chose the compass. The one thing Richard knew belonged to Locke.
Maybe at this point he thought he had been lied to or manipulated.
I don't know why he continued to try and recruit him when he was a teenager though. Maybe he thought he was to young to remember the compass and was willing to give him another chance later.
Is the compass that locke gave to sayid in season one, the same compass that richard and locke have been trading back and forth through out time, because that would tie it up rather nicely about the chicken or the egg question of the compass, if sayid gives it to richard in 1977 and he gives it to locke later to start the loop. The watch would have traveled back in time to 1955, when locke gave it to richard, so that could explain why richard had it in his bodi satva test of locke when locke was five. I left out some of the watch back and forths between rich and locke above.
Sorry to interupt your conversation... but I had to ask...
I am unable to see the results from the lost fantasy leugue... just wondering if someone who could see it might let me know where I stand at the moment... please?
Ded, they have not been updated for Episode 4.15 yet, but as of 4.14 here's our local standings.
Lossa's Losties
Tsol
Team LuckyGuyLikeMe
DeD-LoSTieS
Detroit Blue Herons
Elizabeth's Wicked LOST
Weagle Weagle War Eagle Fantasy Team
S.W.A.T.
You Don't Know Jack
maven
They've all lostit
Eight is Enough
x-1
Sterling
Deceased-clown
Bigdog
UC is lost in time, space, and sanity
codysmom
TheLostZort
Memphish
Sayid's Army
valerianmud
8OrangeSmiles
FYSB's Fantasy Picks
theVillage8
Goatzilla
greek-lost-team
Sailormoon73's LFL
Team NO WORMHOLES
You rose to place 798 overall. Melissa Lossa leads us at 620 overall.
Yeah! Sucking and sucking hard. This is like when I didn't pick The English Patient to win Oscars because I didn't think it was a good movie. Clearly, my "NO WORMHOLES" approach has failed me.
Hi all, another great episode that both satisfies and builds to the finale.
Richard is a very flexible person - people turn up in his camp, shoot their sons, start time travelling, go against all tradition, want to blow up his island with a Hydrogen bomb - and he goes along with everything without complaint !
Loved Richard and Bens little conversation, and Ben saying "Why do you think I tried to kill him"
I also thought Sawyer was going to run away from the sub as soon as Juliet was on board.
Here's a thought are the native inhabitants of the island all survivors from time loop shenanigans ? i.e. they have been in a loop, the loop is closed, but they remain as a time altering left over and can't leave the island ?
I'm going to rewatch but when Chang was quizzing Hurley about the date, didn't Hurley say that the Korean war hadn't happened ?
After the last episode this year, which I don't know whether to wait for or watch it through your eyes on Wednesday, I was thinking that we should have a list of the questions that we need or even demand answering by TPTB in the final year.
I was thinking that after the episode we could all create our top three questions and email them to someone to compile into a list (I'm happy to volunteer)
We could even try and send the list to TPTB and see if we get a response !
Zort, that's exactly what Doc Jensen's doing. Compiling a must-answer list, with reader submissions. Not that we can't do it, too. Just sayin'.
I see, great minds think alike !
I think we ought to do it here too.
I don't go to Doc's site so if I'm going to discuss these topics it would be here with my TLC friends.
Can't wait to see the finale. Then I'll think of my 3 questions.
Does Richard really do anything other than sit in tents, drink beverages, pick leaders for The Others, and complain about the people he picked?
Somehow his character has become much less interesting to me this season.
That wasn't one of my top 3 questions! I'll wait until the finale, too.
Hi All! It's an exciting and sad week for Lost, this is.
LOL Zort and Blue about Richard! I am also very unclear as to what Richard is supposed to be all about, he seems to pliable as you say, for the most part. Perhaps he's just a person for the island, as what Abbadon was to Widmore -- i.e., someone who gets people where they need to be -- and doesn't really have much say overall. And maybe Wid copied/filled that function and hired Abbadon to be his off-island Richard. ???
Q: who here recently posted a theory on why Sun, John, etc. went only back to 2007, while the rest went to 1977? Was it you Memphish? We were discussing this over at EyeMSick last week and I couldn't remember the theory, which I thought sounded pretty good. Tx.
My theory on Sun has always been that they didn't go back right the first time and she was the one with the most to gain by getting those like Aaron and Walt back to the Island. I feel like whatever happens this episode though we'll be done with time travel, so that's looking less likely to me.
We have so much to do in 2 hours, I hope it doesn't get too rushed like the S2 finale. S2 is my least favorite finale which is sort of like listing your 4th favorite ice cream flavor. Still it is my least favorite and in large part because it was very rushed like the lack of reaction to finding out Michael killed Ana and Libby.
Heading into this finale we've got people even more separated than we did last year. Sawyer, Juilet and Kate on the sub. Jin, Hurley and Miles on the run in 1977. Jack, Sayid, Eloise and Richard with Jughead. The DI trying to get drilling at the Swan. Chuck Widmore and Young Ben in the Yurts. And then you've got 2 2007 groups in Locke's Others and the Shadow people. Can all these stories really be serviced and set up S6? Big task.
And I left out Penny and Desmond, not to mention 2007 versions of Walt and Aaron. And the missing Claire, Rose, Bernard, Vincent and Christian Shephard.
Spoiler-free prediction time.
Will Jack explode Jughead?
If yes, is that the Incident or does it prevent the Inicdent?
Did Richard see our specific LOSTies die in 1977 or DI folks generally?
Will we get to see it too?
Bonus -- why didn't Richard die?
Will we find out what happened to Rose and Bernard?
And to continue my string of posts here are my predictions.
Will Jack explode Jughead? Yes
If yes, is that the Incident or does it prevent the Incident? Prevents the Incident and need for Swan computer
Did Richard see our specific LOSTies die in 1977 or DI folks generally? DI folks generally
Will we get to see it too? No because Jack will change things
Bonus -- why didn't Richard die? Because he was already dead
Will we find out what happened to Rose and Bernard? We dadgum better! But I'm leaning no.
Will Jack explode the Jughead?
hmmm I not sure. I'm going out on a limb and say no.
Is it the incident?
lol These are the questions that have been running through my head since Wednesday too.
If he does explode the bomb is this "what happened, happened" or is this changing things? Or if he doesn't is this "what happened, happened" or does this change things?
Did Richard see our Losties die in 1977?
I would have to say yes. He hasn't any reason to lie.
As I said before I'm not sure if something will change or not. It's going to be interesting to find out.
If you asking why he didn't die in the incident. Maybe he doesn't hang around for Jack to explode the bomb. Not sure. Like your theory though.
Will we find out what happened to Rose and Bernard?
I'm going to say yes. They always make it into the finales. Unless they are Adam and Eve, then we won't see them until the Season 6 finale.
Plus, what effect will Ilana and her magic box have on what Jack is doing if anything?
Thanks Memphish, I think that there was more to it, but I guess we might as well wait until (if?) TPTB tell use why.
I saw the Star Trek movie this weekend, and not to spoil anything, but I'm thinking that we might be able to get some ideas about Lost's timelines by taking a close look at the ones in Star Trek. Not that JJ would definitely use the same idea for both stories, but there's no reason why he couldn't, and we know how he often cross-references his creations. BTW, there's eastereggs all over, so keep an eye out. :o)
Maybe after more LoCos have seen Star Trek (that want to) we can talk about it more, it might be helpful to do some comparisons.
I'd love to see the Star Trek movie but I'll have to wait for the dvd.
I don't have a babysitter. I'll be glad when she turns 13 I'll take her with me. :)
We can't go see Star Trek until Memorial Day weekend. Kiddo will be at camp. Until then there's too much going on.
Wow that sounded cold "she".
I should have said my daughter.
Or maybe it's I just assume you all know I have a daughter.
But just reading it without knowing would sound cold to me anyway.
LOL, nawww Sayidsgirl, not coming from a friendly LoCo it didn't sound like that. :o) Too bad I don't live close to you, babysitting is my retirement gig, heheh.
That would be nice capcom.
For the first time in a long time there quite a few movies I'd like to see this summer.
Thank goodness for dvds.
Hey LoCos, I haven't searched the web for this, but my TV guide lists a new Lost on at 8:00, then two hours of new Lost at 9-11. Is there another recap before the finale? Tx.
memphis Q&A
1. No Jack will find a way to not pull it off
2. Probably not the incident that has been mentioned so many times
3. our specific losties. he has no concept of time i am sure he has seen everyone die
4. richard cant die because his eyeliner has special rejuvinating powers that keep forever young
5.rose & bernard will not be explained until next season and even then probaly not to my satisfaction.
Hi, Capcom: Yes, there is a recap @8pm first. I know how we feel about those, but that means 3 hours of LOST Wednesday!
Sheesh, but you're right, it's not exactly like going to the dentist. Tx Maven! Hopefully it will at least be a pop-up recap and will give up some info.
I'll bet that you're correct about #5 Bigdog. :-(
Technically, they've already answered all the questions I really cared about. I'm just along for the ride.
So, I vote for whatever questions the rest of you want to have answered.
Capcom
Here's what it says on TV Guide.com
Lost: A Journey in Time
Highlights from past episodes focus on Locke's fate, how the Oceanic 6 came to return to the island (Again? get ready for that pier scene one more time) and what happened to the survivors left behind on the island during the three years after Ben moved it.
Tx Sagiydgirl! LOL about the pier scene. X-D
I've noticed that MANY scenes have been re-re-repeated this season, not only that one. We have only one season left, and got cheated out of a few story arc details because of the strike...so I ask, why? :-p
Hey all! I've been so AWOL lately...reason #1 I've been having recording/viewing difficulties with the episodes, #2 I've had computer difficulties, #3 it's the end of the school year and things have been crazy, #4 I've been very spoilerphobic! But I'm glad to be back now...and I got a new laptop for Mother's Day- so YEA!!!!! I can surf the blogs and watch episodes online til my heart's content!
Still have some catching up to do on the comments...so don't have much to add at this point.
Happy Belated Mother's Day to everyone!
So sad that the finale is already here. :( Not ready for the long break. But I'm getting more excited about going to ComicCon with Maven. Anyone still want to join us?
I can't imagine why we need a recap when we just had a recap. I think they'd be better off doing a pop-up of Follow The Leader. I'll tape the recap, but unless someone tells me "you have to watch it" I'll delete it unwatched. I've got plans up until almost the real showtime.
Bigdog, I like your take on Richard seeing the LOSTies die. How does he ever know what year it is?
Oh crap, just wondered if the reason Richard saw them die has something to do with innocence stealing.
I'm willing to make a bet that at least 3 out of 4 among Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Juliet survive whatever happens.
I'm decently sure that Hurley will make it. Because the audience must have a voice. :)
And heck, Locke's already dead, right? So what else can they do to him.
Miles is iffy since he's the last of the redshirts - I mean, freighties- that's still breathing.
Sun and Jin still owe us a reunion so I figure he'll make it.
If there's a war coming, I still think we need the one guy whose actually been in a war, so I think Sayid's safe enough.
Desmond refuses to die no matter how hard I wish it.
So, I guess I think Richard is either lying or mistaken. . .I'm just not sure why.
I think Miles is in a tricky situation. Having just realized his dad isn't the jerk he thought he was, he's at that self acceptance stage that people in Lost seem to die at. If he's to survive he needs to get some emotional trauma in his life quick!
As for Richards comments, I think it would be easy to assume people died in a big explosion without finding any bodies. They can easily pop back to the present at the point of the incident (which I'm assuming will include some kind of explosion).
Well, I say easily. Obviously not easily for them. But easily for the Island.
Then again, if they do change things, perhaps what Richard remembers won't actually come to pass now anyway.
haha Fenris...so true about Miles. He better dig up some additional emotional baggage.
Hey lost2010
If you watch ABC at all beware of the newest promo for Lost.
someone above said that five year old locke didn't grab the compass in cabin fever, but he did
The two walk to another table and sit down. Richard tells John that he wants him to look at a few objects, think about them, and tell him which of them are his. The boy thinks Richard means "to keep" but Alpert clarifies, "Which of these things belong to you already?" He lays out on the table a baseball glove, a book entitled "Book of Laws" (possibly referring to the holy text of the Bahá'à faith), a small container of granules, a compass, a comic book entitled "Mystery Tales", and a knife. John immediately claims the container of the granules and inspects and claims the compass. John starts towards the "Book of Laws", at which point Richard looks hopeful. Instead, he picks up the knife, to which Richard seems disappointed and angry. He asks John if he is sure, and after he nods affirmatively, Richard snatches the knife from his hand and takes the other items away. He puts these back into his bag and stands up quickly
i also wonder if john claiming the granules of sand shows that "the island" is already his?
2costa
That's how I always looked at it to that he chose those things since he placed them down in front of him instead of putting them back.
But apparently he didn't. The only thing he chose was the knife.
Where did you determine that interpretation Sayid's Girl? I also thought it was the way 2Costa said. If not, all I can say to TPTB is ambiguous much?
Oh, I'm not watching this week until I'm good and spoiled. I don't want to see it unless I'm sure Jack doesn't set off an H-bomb. That sort of thing gives me nightmares for some reason. :)
I seen it debated on DarkUFO. Back before this season started.
From what I understand Darlton said this to Doc Jensen. Or maybe it was Doc's interpretation.
I couldn't believe it either. Because I had always thought he chose the vial, compass then looked at the book and then chose the knife.
But apparently the fact that he put them back down meant he didn't chose them. I still don't get it.
BTW I agree with the ambiguity.
I always viewed it as Richard told him he could pick only one. And though several of them interested him, if he could only have one, he chose the knife. But I only watched it once actually.
lost2010
You may be right. Richard may have only wanted him to chose one.
I didn't know you were looking at spoilers, since you were upset with the promo.
I'm going to stay right here I know I won't be spoiled here.
SG - Thanks for the spoiler warning. The original promo already spoiled the one thing I was excited about so I'm not too worried about it now.
lost2010
This new promo kind throws some more light on that subject and I thought you might want to avoid it.
SG - If it's like it's been being - they'll give that storyline 2 whole scenes and they'll have shown all but 30 seconds of it in promos already. LOL
yeah you're probably right. The promos have been crazy this year.
Capcom - I saw the Star Trek movie last night and it had a lot of Lost elements in there. I even saw a couple of the eastereggs.
The incidental music also drifted into Lost territory in one scene.
You are also right about the possible timeline outcome compared to the Star Trek film, that was the one thing that annoyed me most about the film.
***Star Trek Spoiler Warning***
The "magic" time travel changes everything in the future that we have come to know and love about Star Trek really annoyed me.
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Also in one scene, which I'm positive won't spoil anything, I half expected to see Scotty pressing a button every 108 minutes !
I've finally got round to listening to the Podcast for the Variable.
Have we talked about the button press that, according to Daniel, is holding back the energy that is going to be released. But we know that when the Swan hatch gets blown up that energy is released anyway.
Does the failsafe key that Desmond turns detonate the Jughead ?
Was Daniels plan just delayed by about 27 years ?
That sounds reasonable to me zort. Or it could be the fail safe just release the energy safely somehow (if you weren't in the Swan when it happened). Or localized it.
I've thought from the time Jughead was introduced that it was buried under the Swan. Because of the reference to the cement.
Back then everyone was saying no, no it's not there. And it isn't, it's under Dharmaville. But I still think it's going to end up under the Swan through the tunnels.
Although Daniel seemed to be saying the cememt was used to contain the electromagnetic energy that was release when they drilled into it. Then that set up the button pushing.
I guess it depends on whether whatever happened happens or not. If anything truly changes.
Detonating the bomb just may set up a different reason to push the button who knows. But I can't wait to find out.
That would make a lot of sense though. If you think detonating the bomb MIGHT work, but you aren't sure. You'd try containing it with the concrete first. And you'd release bits of energy in small safe increments.
But then in the event that you couldn't release it in small safe increments anymore, you'd have the bomb ready because why not try it at that point I guess.
But would that mean that once Desmond turned the key they really and truly aren't alive anymore? Except for the residual part of themselves that is stuck in a time loop?
In my usual wishy washy way I'm now starting to think that whatever happens with Jack and Jughead will be exactly what we've seen happen over the past 5 years and will lead to the button and 815 crashing. I was reading Erika's recap and she pointed out that 1997 Hawking was convinced Desmond needed to go to the Island and push the button. Since she's already lived 1977 I guess whatever happens in 1977 leads to 2001 Desmond crashing on the Island and 2004 815 crashing as well.
Alternatively we get multiple time loops and I'm not a fan of that idea.
So then I guess the Incident will be like Desmond getting hit in the head with a cricket bat for all those living in 2007 aged bodies present in 1977 and they will all be knocked back into 2007 where they will have to deal with the "war" between Locke's people and the Ilana people. I don't really find that prospect appealing either. I don't care about Ilana and her shadow people. It's too late to care about new people. Likewise still not knowing what's so damn important about the Island frankly I want it to lose too.
I also don't understand why Widmore knows about this coming "war." I think we've established that we're past the date Daniel and his journal would know anything, and yet we've had no war, and I don't see how Daniel would know about Ilana's people. He hasn't been in that timeline.
Whatever happened, happened up to this point. Daniel now Jack is trying to change that. If he does then Hawking won't insist that Desmond go to the island and push the button. If the bomb is detonated and it works there will be no need to push a button and 815won't crash etc.
I'm not sure what will happen if the bomb is detonated and it works. Will they all just jump into 2007? Maybe.
Widmore does know that Daniel ends up in 1974-1977. He may also know he attempts to change things. It's still to be determined if he does.(for us) Widmore may already know the out come and is preparing for the war it causes.
I guess I should say, Daniel now Jack is trying to change what happens next.
Because nothing has changed up to this point.
Here's why youngish Ms. Hawking looks pregnant. The actress who plays her is pregnant.
Spoiler-free finale prep
That's pretty funny. I like the "you will be stunned".
I'm a little conflicted as to whether I want the time line to change significantly.
On the one hand I want something revolutionary to happen to set up the final year (as long as we don't just live out the last four years worth of story again).
On the other hand I don't want the last four years to have meant nothing as everything has changed unrecognisably.
I don't mind a bit of flexibility though, so some minor things could have changed without destroying the whole story.
Jack: If we detonate this hydrogen bomb, our plane will never crash! Won't that be great, Kate?
Kate: Not so much, Jack. I'll go to prison. You and I won't meet so you won't testify for me and save my butt. And I will have never experienced that scene with Sawyer at the bear cages.
Jack: Exactly, Kate. I've tried everything else to get that image of you and Sawyer out of my head: Getting you off the island, dumping you, getting engaged to you, drinking, prescription drugs. . .none of that worked. But this H-bomb - that's bound to wipe that image clean out of my mind.
Kate: Hang on a second,Jack. Baby. Sweetie. Lover-o-mine. You weren't that bad. Didn't I mention that? You were so much more fun that Sawyer. . .no, really, I mean it. Seriously. Sawyer-schmawyer. . .I don't even like bear cages. . .
(cont.)
Jack: Sorry Kate. I've made up my mind. I'm blowing us to kingdom come because I'm getting you out of my head or I'm getting rid of my head.
Kate: Fine. Goodbye Jack. If we only have a few more hours to live, I need to go make sure Sawyer and Juliet are as miserable as we are.
rofl lost2010
Morning all. Looking forward to tonight's Fringe finale. And, of course, tomorrow's!
lol, lost2010, and so true!
I have the feeling that something will be changed because TPTB have all along told us that what ever happened happens and then they throw in the variable of human actions at the last moment before the big "incident".
LOL Everyone!
I agree Zort about the Star Trek spoilery thing that you said. But I've read officially that (ST spoiler alert):
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They are supposed to be in an alternate universe where all that happened and didn't really change the original story. BUT I was thinking that it would be better if, since they killed Nero in the past, then he wasn't alive to blow up Vulcan in the future. I could live with that, and then the original series could play out intact without the alternate universe. Still, very confusing.
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ST spoiler over. I just hope that's not what they are going to do on Lost. Damon did write for the ST movie after all. :-o BTW Zort, have you seen the so-called prequel comic book to the movie? It is supposed to pre-explain some things about the movie. I've looked for it but haven't seen it for sale yet. (altho I just wanna read it in the store, heheh)
Very interesting about Locke's choices you all! Maybe I'll skip over to the transcripts and see if Richard says "thing" or "things". Hmm.
LOL Lost2010, yeah, Jack's tried everything else, he might as well blow up his head! X-D When all else fails, just detonate an atomic bomb! That's why he looked like the Unibomber before. :-p
Zort I also agree with your, "don't obliterate the past four years but don't repeat them either", thoughts. I've read that, again, TPTB are saying that the story is going to completely change for the next season, like they said for S4 and S5. ???
Catching up on comments...
I saw Star Trek and I understand what they did with the timeline in the movie, and how that might or might not apply to LOST, but I didn't see any direct LOST-related easter eggs. Capcom, could you (or anyone else) elaborate?
Also, good point Memphish that when Desmond's consciousness traveled back in time in FBYE, he DID change the past. He tossed the ring in the river, talked to his physics friend (Donovan?) about his experiences in the hatch, and got hit by the cricket bat, and so on. So the questions for me are: 1) Does this mean that "what happened, happened" (WHH) does not exist?, and 2) Are the rules related to free-will vs WHH different for consciousness time travel versus the physical time travel of Season 5?
my interpretation of the compass/knife events was from lostpedia.
Hey Blueheron, don't feel bad I missed them all too. Even the Cloverfield ones that were pretty obvious (accept for the really Clovie-looking monster!) I think that I was so agog and mesmerized by the whole thing I just didn't notice anything through my glazed-over eyeballs (and constant s***-eatin-grin)! :-D
Anyway, here's a link that I found that lists some of the EEs. Wiki doesn't have any up as of a few days ago, but they probably will eventually, they do often list the EEs in things like movies.
http://scifiwire.com/2009/04/dont-blink-we-unearth-a-f.php
The story completely changing will probably mean the location won't be Dharmaville next year, but I think we had mostly worked that out for ourselves.
One link that is probably more a JJ Abrams link than a direct Lost link is that Uhura orders a Slusho treat from the bar in one scene.
Thanks for the info. Looks like nothing blatantly LOST-related has been uncovered so far in the movie.
Just a couple of thoughts. 1) Interesting that Mrs. H insisted they go on Ajira 316 given that Locke needed to meet his flashing self within days of the crash. Does make me wonder if it indeed crashed on the day it left LA or some other day. 2) Can we conclude that Richard and Christian Shephard and resurrected Locke are different types of entities given that pre-dead Locke encounters Christian Shephard in the well in what should be statue time whereas Richard and post-dead Locke are not flashing through time.
Show of hands -- who thinks Locke is Locke and who thinks he's the smoke monster or some other Island manifestation?
I think I'm leaning Island manifestation.
I'm raising my hand, Memphish! I think Locke is some kind of island manifestation sort of like Christian.
I think Locke is Locke.
I have no clue about Locke. :-B
BTW Memphish, if/when you see Star Trek, you'll recognize Lost's "Life and Death" music in an early scene. :-)
Capcom,
Which scene?
Memphish,
I vote for Locke being non-alive.
Too bad we don't know how types of ways there are to be undead on the show!
i think locke is locke, he's just an exagerated version of the cocky locke we have seen before, until fate pimp slaps him.
i thought it was interesting that they showed us last week the perspective of the non-timeflashers when someone flashes. Right after richard stitched up locke, and he dissappeared there was no flash of light to richard, ben, and locke. The only time richard has seen the white flash accompanied with a person time jumping is right after Ben turned the wheel, richard saw the flash of light before locke dissappeared, i bet that has to do with richard being in that moment in "real time" when Ben turned the wheel. The other times richard was a part backdrop of the time they are flashing to.
i also think locke is also enhanced with more knowledge of the island too. Locke being undead and weird is differnt then being a manifestation of the island, so you all are really talking about three possabilities...
1. regular alive locke with mucho gusto
2. undead locke, something other then mortal
3. dead Locke channeling an island manifestation
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(ST spoiler off) I only mention it cuz sometimes during the show Memphish will comment that they're playing the life and death theme, as usual, when someone dies, heheh. ;-)
I guess I'm just puzzled by the whole bomb thing. How does a bomb change time? Is it because it's a big event and that it ought to change something? Sounds sloppy to me. Do we know for sure that the bomb did not explode in the current timeline? Could this event replace another event that had the same result, ie, drilling into the electromagnetic wall? I guess what I want is the reasoning behind the decision to explode the bomb. Jack is acting on faith but I'd like to see some of Dan's calculations.
P.S. Blueheron, if you go to the ST site, and enter, up at the top you can play the soundtrack, it's #3 Labor of Love. You'll recognize it even only in 29sec, but that's OK, Giachinno's all good in my book! He's amazing, I loved The Incredibles soundtrack too. :-D
http://www.startrekmovie.com/
Hey Barbarajay! Maybe all this bomb stuff is just to throw us off, maybe TPTB will just go ahead and make Radzinsky do his thing with the drill, and the Incident will happen, and we'll all be crazyhappy with the chaos until next season. :o)
Memphish;
I pick the Locke that you can't tell what he can't do. Every one on the beach has seen him. I M's are usually seen by only one, or two people at a time,(so far).
Although,it would be a cool scene to end the season;if they find the coffin in the plane,and the old John is still in there.
Capcom, chaos! I love it!
BarbaraJay
It's Dan's theory that by detonating the bomb in the pocket of energy where they are building the Swan station that it will disapate the energy.
Then Dharma won't drill into the pocket of energy and cause the incident which causes them to create the button pushng protocol. Which Desmond will not push when he follows Kelvin and cause flight 815 to crash.
Of course this theory isn't tested so they may all die when Jack detonates the bomb. If he actually does.
BarbaraJay said:
Do we know for sure that the bomb did not explode in the current timeline? Could this event replace another event that had the same result, ie, drilling into the electromagnetic wall?I wondered this too. If they to detonate the bomb will it really change anything.
I guess since like Miles said Dan's been right about everything else they trust his theory.
Jack is the man of faith now. :)
Left-field. That's what I'm expecting tomorrow. A rocket straight out of left-field. And on the "what's Locke?" poll, I vote C: none of the above.
I'm trying to get my expectations too high! But I can't help myself...I totally expect to be going OMG OMG OMG all night long!
I'd love a scene with Locke still in the coffin. Maybe that's why they keep showing the shoes? To prove it's the Locke from the coffin.
And if we get Locke in the coffin I also want Christian Shephard in a coffin and Vincent dead in his kennel.
Sayid'sgirl, about Dan's theory, you're absolutely right. I missed that and, not so unusual for LOST, became confused. Still, it's a long shot. What with course correction and so many variables.
I vote for #1 Locke is Locke and alive and nobody can tell him what he can't do.
Thanx Memphish,
Don't know why I can never see it... but I can't
I thought Locke was supposed to choose 3 things that already belonged to him when Richard gave him the test.
Happy Lost Finale day !
I still don't know whether to read the comments as they come in or watch the episodes on Sunday.
HAPPY LOST FINALE DAY!!
That would be a tough decision for me zort.
Happy Lost Finale Day! Happy and sad at the same time.
It's finale day, it's finale day!
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