Set your Tivo or DVR. Get some snacks and a cold drink. Find a comfortable spot in front of your television and turn to ABC. Then close your eyes and tap your heels together three times. And think to yourself, 'There's no place like home'.
Thursday, May 29, 2008
There's No Place Like Home (Part 2) - Season 4, Episode 13
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 556 Newer› Newest»dark - I think we're going to have to continue on the island where we left off - we have to see the "bad things" that Locke said happened after the O6 left. The O6 themselves could go either way, though - present day or "island time." I think there's still some gaps to fill in between rescue and Jack's beard, but it seems that the real action would be them trying to get back.
Something tells me season 5 will be Jack convincing everyone and then finding a way back. Season 6 will be them going back, kicking ass and taking names.
I think the timeline will be between getting off the island and getting back to it with scenes of both the O6 and those still on the island.
Do you think maybe the zodiac was still close enough to the island to be moved with it?
I hope that we get news of the rafties' condition right away. Also the peeps who (hopefully) jumped off of the freighter.
10 minutes to go for me! Was it awesome?
lostit - I wondered that, too - it was hard to tell. I think they showed Dan and the others shielding their eyes from the light, but I couldn't tell if they moved or not.
maven, you will LOVE it. Get some tissues!
I hope so Lostit, I want to see more of Dan. "Exotic matter" is no walk in the park, and we need him to explain it for us!
I love Dan as well - it seems a waste to just kill him off. Hopefully, he'll be back next season!
And with that, I'm off to bed. Good night!
For those of you who are having trouble at OGR.com... I entered my email and clicked submit... waited like five minutes and nothing happened. I closed the window... and a few moments later the lil window popped up, so it is just taking a really long time to confirm.
new TLE!?!? commercial for it! anybody see it yet!?
Thanks Ded, I guess I'll try again tomorrow.
Anthony, see the Octagon site above. :-)
I started a thread at the Message Board for those who wanted a place to discuss it... I am sure though that this TLC Blog will join the fight as well as a few other ones that will pop up over the next day or two... lol
they said S5 will revolve around the group trying to get back to the island, then S6 will be after they have gotten back, and what happened while they were gone
Also Anthony, see: http://darkufo.blogspot.com/
It's up there also.
Good idea Ded.
Would never have gone to Octagon's site. I thought it was promo for that Life on Mars show thing (without knowing anything about it other than the title).
Oh well, good night friends, it was great watching with you, you're the best Lost company! Talk to you tomorrow, Maven and other Left Coasties! Enjoy! :-D
Sweet dreams of frozen donkey wheels, heheheheh.
Oh yeah, P.S......THANK YOU TPTB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
omg what a great episode!
A real frozen donkey wheel! not a metaphor, who'da thunk?
I loved the look Ben gave John when he asked "Is that the magic box?" I half expected him to say "How many times do I have to tell you that was a METAPHOR!"
Too bad he had to destroy the vault of the Orchid to get to the Island moving wheel in the basement. At least we know where he transported from before he showed up in Tunisia. And how he hurt his arm.
So who do we think had gone down the hole before Ben... someone put that ladder there. Alpert maybe?
But shouldn't then Alpet not be able to revisit the island? What if Widmore can't go back to the island?
I'm still blown away by the man in the casket. Answer 1 question and bring up 3 more. I love this show!!
dark, good point about widmore! Maybe that's how Ben got the island from him in the first place!
So what happened to those redshirts in the little raft thing with Daniel when the boat went up? Did they all die too? Or did they have time to get back to the island?
I'm not sure which parts I missed and which parts are cliffhangers. . .
Lol, I was just thinking,
Why is jack so concerned about getting back now..
Things have gone badly, locke is dead, everyoen else important either wants to stay (rose, etc.._
the only one left is sawyer, and i think hes a justified sacrifice.
Something bugged me through the whole episode. How did they feed Aaron without Claire? He was away from his Mom for a long time. Surely he must have gotten hungry. Sun is pregnant but she can't possible be producing milk yet. I don't think they had any baby bottles with them.
Claire and Juliet are still there, or at least I guess they are. . .
soo.. Jack is going back for Juliette and Sawyer as far as hes concerned...
# 1 Jack - saved
# 2 Charlie - dead
# 3 Kate - saved
# 4 Locke - dead
# 5 Jin & Sun dead & saved
# 6 Sawyer - willing sacrifice
# 7 Sayid - saved
# 8 Claire - Gone
# 9 Boone & Shannon - dead & dead
# 10 Michael & Walt - dead & saved
# 11 Hurley - saved
# 12 Ana Lucia - dead
# 13 Eko - dead
# 14 Libby - dead
# 15 Rose & Bernard - willing to stay
# 16 Desmond - saved
# 17 Juliet - sad and drunk but with sawyer
# 18 Nikki & Paulo - dead & daed
# 19 Ben - "saved"
# 20 Daniel - unknown
# 21 Miles - willing to stay
# 22 Charlotte - willing to stay
# 23 Frank - saved
# 24 Naomi - dead
and possibly.. claire
Some listings from the commercial:
Psychologists
Parapsychologists
Zoologists
Physicists
Mathematitians
Botanical Researchers
Engineers
Builders (???)
Drivers
Health Crae Workers
Communications Specialists
Neuroscientists
Janitors (lol)
Engineers
Biologists
Astrophysicists
Ex-military
Electricians
Vets
IVF Consultants
Teachers
Architects
Ichthyologists
Transport Mechanics
Immunologists
Nurses
Illustrators
Auditors
Minibus Driver
Recycling Coordinators
Aeronautical Engineers
Dentistry
I would torture someone for the chance to be a Dharma Illustrator... lol... j/k
The blue thing with the corn guy is a hankerchief in his right shirt pocket.
There is one above psychologists ded, i wasn't fast enough to catch it.. maybe someone else can but great job making that list
We also don't know who Locke told him was there. Maybe Juliet had Jack's love child and he has to get back there to make sure Sawyer doesn't corrupt him.
kyle - Like I said, you win. ;)
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Octagon_Global_Recruiting
Meteorologists
When read from the bottom upwards the first letters of the positions spell DHARMA INITIATIVE
Any speculation on where/when the island went?
peter said....
When read from the bottom upwards the first letters of the positions spell DHARMA INITIATIVE
good call!
lostit, I was just going to ask that myself! lol It looked to me like it was similar to the Swan hatch implosion.... first, the "purpling" and then it looked to me like the ocean sucked it down.
So am I missing the H spot or does it read
Darma on purpose?
Lostit... No Clue... lol
What an episode! (Just wanna say that I've been a lurker since the TLE days, just couldn't remember my password, but alas i got it.)
WELL WELL WELL WORTH EVERY SECOND OF BUILD UP TO THIS NIGHT!
I wonder if Ben is lying about not being able to get back to the island after he "moves" it? After all, he lies and lies and lies...
Yes, this episode was amazing!! I really want to see it again. I didn't even see the ad (for the ARG). There must have been lots of things I missed.
Its supposed to be
# Ex-Military
# Vets
# IVF Consultants
# Teachers
# Architects
# Ichthyologists
# Transport Mechanics
# Immunologists
# Nurses
# Illustrators
# Auditors
# Minibus Drivers
# Recycling Coordinators
# Aeronautical Engineers
# Horticulturists
# Dentists
It just dawned on me that Jack's going to have to get another casket onto a plane - circle?
codysmom, I'm wondering if Ben can only get back if he brings the O6 with him and that's why he wants to help Jack get back to the island.
My husband thought that maybe the island will resurrect Locke if they bring him back to it - another one of the undead like Christian Shepherd.
And isn't it a bit gruesome to be carrying a dead body around with you while you try to get back to an island that went somewhere or some time unknown?
I think the island got sucked into one of the "vile vortices" and pops up in one of those other locations. Ben knows what locations are possible and knows how to find it. But the island won't let him come back without bringing it a "sacrifice" - the O6 and dead Locke.
good point 2010
another casket onto a plane (with another fake dead body in it.... ???... lol)
LostIt said...
codysmom, I'm wondering if Ben can only get back if he brings the O6 with him and that's why he wants to help Jack get back to the island.
could be... and I've always liked the vile vortices idea.
Speaking of circles... when the helo was going down I was thinking.. a plane crash got them to the island and now another crash to get them off....
Once again, sorry maven, but I've gotta go to bed... talk to you tomorrow!
g'nite all!
OMG! Penny! Island moves! New ARG!
LOCKE!
I got a bulletin at MySpace earlier about the ARG. So I signed up without knowing what I was doing!
It's late and I'm tired! In skimming through the comments, there's nothing much more I can add at this point! You guys are awesome, as usual!
FROZEN DONKEY WHEEL! It really exists!
Locke = Jeremy Bentham! OMG
Penny and Desmond together at last.
Why the big lie!
Poor Sun watching Jin blow up!
Where's Daniel and the redcoats?
Charlotte could be Annie? She was born on the island! OMG
Poor Juliet...stuck on the island!
Image of freighter blowing up! Awesome. Reminiscent of Pillar of Smoke as Juliet watches from the beach.
How are they all going to get back...through Widmore? Sun/Paik Industries will maybe force him to get back to the island. This is all part of Ben's plan?
Is Locke like Christian? Jack has to transport a coffin again? LOL
New ARG...Yea! Hopefully it's more than just publicity for ComicCon! (And I'm going to be out of town that weekend!)
See you guys tomorrow...we've got a great summer/hiatus ahead of us! We're going to be very busy trying to figure everything out!
This show is just the best!
just marking a spot. absolutely loved all 3 hours.
penny/des - had goose-bumps
Sawyer and his kiss and jump - top that jack
Ben - SO - one of the best characters on tv
checkmate Mr. Eko -
Morning after questions:
Where is a) Dan b) Des/Pen c) Hurley/Sayid's safe place d) the Island?!?
I didn't understand that last Kate scene. Why is she sorry?
Did the Island jump ahead to Oct 2005 like Ben did?
What exactly did we learn about time on the Island?
I'm wondering if Widmore turned the wheel in the past.
Does Leader Locke get passports and money like Dean Moriarty or was he banished?
How does lying protect those left behind when you can't find the Island again? Guess that's why Jack's insistence Locke didn't move the Island.
Waiting for the extra Lost scenes now!
And will Walt need to return too? Locke visited him. How did Locke know how to find Sayid? He was in touch with Ben? And who was the guy watching Hurley that Sayid killed working for?
And why was the only time Jack trusted Locke was the you have to lie advice? Jack had ignored everthing else the man said, why not that?
Good morning! As Memphish would say, this is a "thumb typing" comment so bear with me...
After the frozen donkey wheel scene last night I hope like heck they don't turn this super sci-fi ie. the island has a big spaceship at its core and Alpert et al are 4 toed alien descendants who time jump and junk. LOL.
But really, I loved the episode, and I wonder, was the coffin so small because something happened to Locke's legs?
Also, this comes from a coworker, could Ben have multiple personalities and thus be Jacob while thinking that he's actually 2 people. Kinda combines the twin thing with how weird he looked last night and maybe be how he was born in the island but not. I think I remember this being discussed before?
The other two alternate endings they had in case someone found out and leaked it was, they had Sawyer in the casket and they had Desmond in the casket.
Miles/hurley are both very comfortable seeing dead people. for some reason i feel like miles could be very useful in future episodes.
is ben the second person responisble for jin death. why else would she be looking for widmore.
i guess we will see desmond again when ben tries to kill penny.
why did christian appear as the last person for mike. you would have thought libby would show up so he could have peace. did he even know who christian was?
Morning all after an almost sleepness night! What a fabulous ending to a fabulous season 4!
So Jack must be the super guilty one for setting up the big lie. There was no big plan by Ben or Locke and there was no big discussion as to what the story would be. It was all basically Jack saying they must lie to protect themselves and the ones left behind. It was all Jack.
I'm hoping that Daniel in the zodiac survives and picks up an injured Jin!
The scene with Sun confronting Widmore was so subtlety played. I think it's going to be a major plot point. It's part of Ben's big plan to get Widmore to reveal how to get back to the island (which will probably be S5). Ben positioned Sun to take over Paik, so she can "negotiate" with Widmore.
I can't believe that Jack didn't notice Sawyer and Kate's moment in the helicopter and that kiss. And then acts so surprised later when she tells him she was doing a favor for Sawyer.
How the heck did Locke get off the island and is visiting everyone? Can't believe it was really a suicide. He must be in some induced state like Christian's body. And how the heck are they all going to get back?
Good question from my fiancee: why wouldn't Kate and Aaron stay with Desmond and Penny on the Searcher? There's so much she'd have to explain in the Big Lie, plus the whole felony warrant thing, I just can't believe she'd say "yeah, I'll come along back to the mainland and tell a ridiculously circuitous story rather than hide out on the ship with Desmond and Frank, who will both have to go into hiding for a while anyway."
maven i assume being the new leader of the others richard allows john to leave to further their cause.
If only the island moved, big if, that means penny's boat was always near the island.
Kyle's fiance: Excellent point. What did they all really have to get back to? Penny obviously had the means to protect herself and Desmond and Frank. Why not all of them, let alone Kate and such a vulnerable baby Aaron? Kate especially knew she had legal problems and had no idea what was in store for her and she had the added responsibility of Aaron. Why take such a chance with going public with the big lie?
Good Morning! I missed the GMA alternate endings, but you can watch the clip at popcrunch.com
Also, is it foolish of me to think that we've already seen this "exotic matter"? As in exotic matter than picks up Nigerian drug lords-cum-priests and slams them into trees?
exotic matter... I have no idea what that is.. lol
I still haven't watched the episode yet, but plan to do so keeping in mind all the excellent ideas that have been posted here..
Doc asks:
Unresolved Season 4 Hurley Mystery: In the season premiere, Hurley told Jack he wished he had stayed with him instead of going with Locke. Now that you've seen all of season 4, if someone asked why Hurley felt that way, how would you respond?
I'd guess that Hurley thinks that if he'd stayed with Jack, then Locke would never have found Jacob's cabin and wouldn't have set about to move the Island.
Kate and Aaron didn't stay with Penny because obsessive in "love" Jack would never let her.
I want to go back and look at all the mentions of Bentham. Jack says something like Bentham's deal lets him keep Kate and Aaron safe which doesn't really jibe with just seeing him a month ago.
Ange as for the Ben twin thing could be.
memphish, I was also wondering if the island jumped ahead to Oct. 21, 2005..
maven, I like your ideas about Sun and Widmore
OK, I'm going to re-watch... this time taking notes:)
I always guess 100% wrong, but I wondered if Locke moved the island again and that's why he had to leave.
And I don't think Ben's telling the truth about them all having to go back. Ben's #1 goal in life is to kill Penny, right? And Ben made it clear that it wasn't just the O6 that had to go back - it was also anyone else who left. Desmond left too, right? So if Ben has found out that Penny is with Desmond, what better way to find Penny that to stir up the one group of people that might know where Desmond is? They don't even have to actually convince him - they just have to make contact and then Ben will know where she is. . .
All's I can say is WOW! That episode was awesome.
New ARG? Hopefully it's put together better than TLE and no interns involved ;) Looking forward to a summer-filled ARG again.
I was wondering about Desmond too, lost2010.
Here's my rambling thought on Penny/Desmond/Widmore/Ben. Basically, is Charles still supportive of Penny? You've got to think that if he didn't already know about Penny's jaunt to the South Pacific, he'd certainly know about it soon enough after she returned. He'd certainly notice her absence if she went into hiding.
If he did find her, he'd probably know that Desmond had resurfaced. And that wouldn't make Charles very happy at all.
Would Charles help Penny hide? And if Jack told Desmond "don't let 'em find you," wouldn't it be safe to assume he was talking about Widmore's people? So wouldn't those two ideas come into direct conflict?
So when Ben makes his midnight creep into Widmore's bedroom, and threatens Penny, and Charles says "you'll never find her," is he saying that because he's hiding her, or because he's hunting Desmond down by way of hunting her, and hasn't been able to find her yet? Sort of an "if I can't find her, you certainly won't"?
Great questions and points everyone! And thanks in advance for all your future comments that will help me to udnerstand this crazy frozen donkey wheel episode!
Now Codysmom, Ben doesn't lie, he's just not "entirely truthful". :-D And good idea Lostit about Ben actually being able to get back if all the other "matter" that is missing is returned with him.
I wonder if Locke's coffin has always looked short-ish to us, because one of the bad things that happened is that he literally lost his legs?! :-O
Noooooo, Maven, you're out of town for Comic con?? You are supposed to get some free ARG swag for each and every one of us! :o)
So what's wrong with aliens, Ange? j/k heheh
Good thought on the exotic matter Kyle! I'm not too savvy about that stuff, I always avoided it for the easier topics in Hawking's book. But if you go to the Wiki definition and go down to the small section titled, "Exotic matter and general relativity," I think that's what we will be dealing with in the show for the most part.
Ditto that, Kyle and Lostit, my thoughts too.
Kyle, I was thinking that maybe when Chas said to Ben that he'd never find Penny, it was partly because Chas can't even find her.
has everyone already seen this?
thoughts on the casmir effect?
I loved the episode, it solidfied my opinion that LOST is the best show ever!
I laughed, I cried, I was WOW'd and LOST.
I submitted to OCG, last night and today, no response yet, but it doesn't work for .edu addresses.
Hackers where are you? I looked at the source code for the page and it brings you to www.w3.com but I couldn't find anything there. Looks legit. IDK
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI
sorry the link didn't post
LOL Capcom. Nothing wrong with aliens when I'm watching Doctor Who or Torchwood ;).
So question: the time travel box, while it gets you off the island, to get back they need a boat or a sub. Is that why they were digging rocks to build an airstrip, to make travel back easier? If so were they planning more off the island "missions" of sorts?
What a perfect season finale! They stuffed so much in two hours, it felt more like a Lost movie than a TV show.
I loved:
- the Ewok Others taking out Keamy's crew
- Christian/The Island "releasing" Michael
- that the "Frozen Donkey Wheel" was, in fact, an actual Frozen Donkey Wheel!
- the Penny & Desmond reunion (probably the biggest surprise in the episode for me)
- oh, heck, everything else!
A couple of thoughts:
1) Did Locke get off the island because he had to move it again?
2) Now that Locke is dead, does that mean a new "Dalai Lama"-type leader must be found? Will it be Walt or Aaron?
3) When Claire told Kate not to bring "him" back to the island, did she mean Aaron? or someone else, like Ben?
4) If so, is Ben just using the O6 as a way to get back to the island, even though he's "not allowed" to return?
5) Is Sun working with Widmore a good thing or a bad thing?
Okay, so those were more questions than thoughts, but still.
Oh, and I had a chance to participate in a finale wrap-up podcast last night, for the DVD Verdict, the review site I write for. We hopped on Skype immediately following the show. Maybe not a ton of new stuff in there for afficianados (read: fanatics), but we had a good time. I'd love for you guys to check it out. It's episode 167, at or near the top of the list at:
DVD Verdict Presents
Talk to you all soon!
Oh, one more question:
Given that Ben had to destroy the back wall of "the vault" to get to the ice cave, does that mean no one has ever moved the island before?
Related to erich's 4) If so, is Ben just using the O6 as a way to get back to the island, even though he's "not allowed" to return?, is the whole "whoever moves the Island can't come back" thing a prohibition or just a practical assumption? Does the Island affirmatively prevent an Island-mover from returning, like it prevents suicide, or does the act of moving the Island make it so difficult to re-locate that it's functionally improbable for that person to get back to it?
I'm guessing that no one has used the donkey wheel since Dharma built the Orchid. It looked pretty sealed up.
It does at least seem like Des and Penny are probably hiding in the real world instead of hidden in time, since they left the island and that seems to be where the time travel anomaly is. Maybe
Widmore knows Ben can't find her because she's hanging around with her future-seeing husband, who can anticipate Ben's every move. It isn't much of a life for the Humes and their 2.5 children, but at least they're not dead. . . .
I think Locke did turn the wheel again, and can't get back as a result. Maybe Locke now being the last to turn the wheel allows Ben to return. Now he's no longer It.
Since the sky purpled when Ben turnedthe wheel, does that also mean the island moved when 815 crashed and Des turned the key?
Since the sky purpled when Ben turnedthe wheel, does that also mean the island moved when 815 crashed and Des turned the key?
Two dots that I had noticed, but not put together. It's worth considering, but there'd be so many implications...
I would guesstimate that if not being able to return means -- you can't return unless you bring all the matter that left when you moved it -- it's equal to saying that I "can't" do something because the possiblilty is extrememly unlikely or prohibitive.
Interesting point Memphish, maybe the island always was nearer to Bali than we thought all along, because of the shift in position at that point?
It didn't seem to move in time, if it moved when Des turned the key. They were gone roughly 108 days both on and off the island, right? If it's moving interdimensionally, or physically hopping around the globe, then that's a possibility.
I especially wonder about moving it without the wheel because of the drug plane that crashed within a few years of 815.
Hello All, its been a while since I have been working so much, but I have a comment/observation that I wanted to add. Hopefully, I'm not being redundant and someone else has already said this.
I believe that the "bad things" that have happened have something to do with Dharma starting a recruiting campaign. Perhaps they have taken over the island again and Locke turned the wheel to go back and bring back the 6 to take it back over.
Good point - Where does Locke's little recruiting trip line up with The Original Lost Experience in the time line.
More randomness:
- It seemed like last night's island move might fit into the Antipode theories. What's on the opposite side of the world from off the coast of the northwest U.S. and Canada?
- When John "visited" Walt, do you think he gave him the Richard Alpert test?
- Though it's possible that the island has been moved in the past, how likely is it, since Ben had to blow a hole in the Orchid wall to get to the ice chamber?
- Anyone else think the polar bears were being used or tested in the island's frozen underworld?
- We still don't know how Ben used to get on and off the island. It certainly wasn't the FDW.
Re: TLE
All of the TLE events take place in summer and early fall of 2006. Consulting Lostpedia's timeline indicates that the only flashforward evidence we have of any activity in that timeframe is Kate's "trial."
On July 6, 2006, the Helgus Antonius leaves for Sri Lanka. On July 20, the Sri Lanka video is recorded.
14 months later, Jeremy Bentham begins visiting the Oceanic 6 informing them that terrible things have happened on the Island.
I've been wondering for the last couple days if the Spider Protocol's kill rate of 30% wasn't enough to stock a fake airline full of bodies to stage an underwater wreck...
Ok, have to admit, i feel like the guy not in on the joke when it comes to the donkey wheel.
hurley and sawyer have become good friends. hurley had to be feeling bad when Frank said we need to lose another 200lbs.
I guess I should say that the Vik Institute's studies into the kill rate would be supplying the bodies. The Spider Protocol wouldn't be carried out in time to fake the wreck.
But...
Despite my initial (and continued) reticence, it seems
that fate has dealt its card. We may have no choice but to fall
back to the original island target. While THF has not utilized
the site for some time, its unique properties render it more
than adequate for our purposes at this particular juncture.
Namaste.
TM
Regarding what TPTB called "the most spectacular kiss" we'll see... I didn't think it was that spectacular. IMO the kiss between Jack and Kate in the jungle when she saw the horse (can't remember what episode) was way more spectacular than Kate and Sawyer. That's just me though ;)
ib4uc: What about the Desmond and Penny kiss? I may have teared up a little at that. I was so surprised they brought them together. So great!
Anyone else think of the final scene in The Empire Strikes Back when DesPen and Frank parted ways with the 06? I guess that would make Frank Lando. I'm cool with that.
erich... Oh man, I didn't even think about the Desmond/Penny kiss. I just assumed they were talking about the losties. Now, that was spectacular!
ib4uc - the sawyer kiss is spectacular when you add the jumping out of the helicopter with it.
Well, the original spoiler referenced the triangle when it talked about the spectacular kiss, so I think they meant the Rhett Butler - going off to fight for a lost caust kiss. But the Des/Penny kiss was much better and I don't even like Des and Penny.
That would be "Cause" not caust.
Erich, Love the Empire Strikes back analogy, who's Chewy? Hurley?
I shouldn't call it the 'original spoiler' - the first place I saw it referenced was an EW article.
James: Poor Hurley, he's always got to be Chewie. I just feel sorry for whoever'd end up being R2-D2.
"...Spider Protocol's kill rate of 30% wasn't enough to stock a fake airline full of bodies..." Interesting thought Kyle!
Bigdog, I guess the FDW joke on us is that it wasn't just a random tag for the surprise, like the snake in the box was, it was real and we weren't expecting it to be. :-)
Although it made me kind of squeamish (due to the two subjects), I think that the kiss with Kate jumping on Jack in her underwear was more spectacluar than the helo kiss. If the helo kiss had more angst attached to it, it would have been more exciting to me. Like, no don't go, yes I have to, no don't, yes....aaaaaaaagh. Even the Des and Penny kiss did't choke me up like their phone "kiss" did for some reason. Although I sure din't expect them to get together in this episode! That was nice.
i'd say sun would be R2D2, just sort of popping up being useful and then dissappearing, and I would think that Sayid might be Han, Jack Luke/Obi Wan, Kate Liea, that's all I got, it really depends on if we are sticking with the orginal trilogy or the new trilogy
Hmmm I was just thinking - what do you think ever happened with Desmond's vision of Claire and Aaron getting into the helicopter? Is that still to come much much later, or was the future altered by something that happened? or did i miss that this was this already cleared up by someone?
so is abaddon looking for the survivors or the crew he sent to the island? when he asked were they still alive.
widmore, O6, ben, walt, frank penny & desmond and the crew on pennys boat know the truth about the O6. and are off the island. maybe even nadia.
whats in it for Frank to diappear?
capcom - When did Kate jump on Jack in her underwear? I must've missed that one - not that I want to go back and see it actually.
But I agree, the helo kiss was a bit rushed. And I sort of thought the camera angle was bad. But it seemed to tick Jack off so it was worth something.
kyle - Thanks for the timeline reference. That fits togethr pretty well, I think.
Maybe in Dez's vision, he just fuzzily saw a female jumping onto the helo with a baby, and he only assumed that it was Claire? Just a guess. Maybe TPTB will show him wondering about that one later when talking to Penny.
Totally LOL Lost2010, I don't want to see it again either! I think it was after Jack had read to Aaron, and they were in the hallway smooching, and she jumped up into his arms....etc....and they kissed and he carried her back to the bedroom. :-p
capcom - I must have successfully blocked that one out of my memory. The shower kiss was bad enough. . .
Here are some thoughts from my notes:
I guess we’re caught up in time because it’s mentioned that it’s been 3 years since “it” happened. So we must be in 2008 now in the flash forwards.
Keamy asks why Ben is so important to Widmore. He really doesn’t know the big picture…only has been told what he needs to know.
The ambush of the mercenaries was very well done. Did you notice the Others used the same dart weapon as they did on Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Hurley? Great fight scene between Sayid and Keamy!
Is Walt one of the people that needs to get back to the island?
Another great confrontation scene between the Man of Science and the Man of Faith. Locke wants Jack to stay on the island…they’re not supposed to go home. Tells Jack he has to lie to protect the island. But Jack doesn’t really feel the island is something that needs protecting…it’s just an island!
So are they really setting up Charlotte to either be Annie or Annie’s daughter? Awesome. I think that by having Miles and Charlotte staying on the island we’re going to have a great story arc for them next season!
It’s so great seeing Ben pooh-poohing the Dharma Initiative and their “silly experiments” and time-traveling bunnies! It seems the great power of the island was there long before Dharma and only known to Richard’s people (who may be descendants of the original inhabitants). Ben had to break through the Orchid’s chamber to get to the real power of the island. The DI didn’t know about it?
Why did the Orchid video re-wind at that all important moment?
Another great Sawyerism: Re Frank….calls him Kenny Rogers.
Great lines from Hurley: The last thing I need is paranoia! And: “Checkmate, Mr. Eko!”
Seems we have more set-up to the Ben/Widmore confrontation when Keamy says (dying): “Wherever you go we’ll find you.” Ben: “Not if I find him first.” I’m assuming the him is Widmore.
I guess Michael is finally redeemed, and his work is done for the island.
Interesting line from Sun when she’s talking with Widmore: “We’re not the only ones who left the island.” Is she alluding to Penny/Desmond, Frank, and Ben?
The scene with Juliet and Dharma Rum on the beach looking at the Pillar of Smoke on the horizon was heart-breaking. She realizes she’ll never get off that island.
We got to see how Ben injured his arm when he jumps to Tunisia. And apparently, he had no idea when and where he was going.
The phone call Kate gets during her “dream” of Claire says: “The island needs you. You have to go back before it’s too late.” And Claire’s warning of “Don’t bring him back. Don’t you dare,” might be part of the reason why Kate doesn’t want to go back with Jack.
Hurley is the only one who knows the island was moved.
The second person Sun blames might be Jack.
Wonder why they all have to go back. And what terrible things have happened on the island? And how is a “dead” Locke going back? To be continued….
Maven:
-3 years after 9/2004 only makes it 2007. Not that 2008 is out of the question, but I doubt they'd hop that far forward at this point in the series.
-"Wherever you go, he'll find you" was Keamy's line. Can't be anyone but Widmore, given Keamy's narrow scope of mission.
-Elizabeth Mitchell did "drunk" exceptionally well.
-Hurley's the only one who comments on the Island moving.
-Yes. Jack is the second person Sun holds responsible.
-Ever seen "Weekend at Bernie's"?
Did I miss this... did Keamy ever answer Ben when Ben asked if Widmore told him to kill Alex? Just wondering.
Good thoughts Maven, and I'm in line with your thinking.
The funny thing that I thought about Ben's distain of the DI, is that if it were not for the DI's silly projects, he wouldn't have been on the island at all. He seems to really care about the island (if not so much for his fellow human beings) so I wonder if he would mind it if he was never brought there in the first place, if the DI never went there?
Yeah, I think that Sun was taking a jab at Wid, by telling him that he knows about Pen and Des, etc., and possibly even Ben being hellbent on killing Pen -- but maybe that last one is a stretch.
Maybe Ben figured that he'd probably end up at one of the vortices. But I wonder how he got such a familiarity with Tunesia by traveling in other ways than island movement? Maybe the Orchid could be used for time/space travel "normally", just that the big non-no was moving the island. Maybe both regular travel, and moving the island, plops you at one of the vortices -- the first being controlled, and the second being totally random.
heres a couple of observations...
1. if Ben went from island 2004 to tunesia 2005, where did he get the intel on nadia and sayid. Was there a dossier on what had happened in that year Ben lost waiting for him at the hotel? Does he still have support staff working for him
2. Did ben bring hurley on the ride to the orchid, in order to witness the fact the the island was moved to jack?was it really moved or just a con by Ben?
3. was santa rosa a hanso or wodmore hospital?
4. is christain good or bad? who is he working with, he seemed pretty harsh when he told mike he could die. Is locke gonna be Jacob, and christain talks for him because, locke has to die off island and his body brought to the island like christain to become jacob first
5. whos controlling claire, or was that really claire, Ben seems to want everyone to go back, but christain/claire doesnt seem to want that
6. Did Ben bring locke to the orchid in order to have richard save them? the way ben said "richard you came" made me think richard came to save locke and not so much ben. Can Ben still trust Richard, if so why did he seemingly destroy the time travel portal of the orchid, my guess is ben doesnt want anybody having access to the timeline anymore,including richard,
7. is next season gonna be like weekend at bernies w. jack toting lockes dead body around?
8. did the islnad actually move or just move in time, Ben went one year in the future, Jack says its been three years since he left, locke told them bad stuff happened in the two years after they left on the island. which makes me think the island moved to 2005, and locke sought out everyone in 2007, theres your two years, who knows if the island actually moved
9. is walt a future leader on the island, did they make him an orphan like locke and sawyer for a reason
10. was widmore the past leader of the others and in the same position as Ben, where he had to move the frozen donkey wheel and cant get back to the island, did widmore make his fourtane after he was expelled fromt he island
11. was miles talking about charlotte already leaving and coming back to the island, or was he mimicing lockes speech to jack, telling her not to leave because she would want to come back, was she born on the island, if so who are her parents?
12. in the week they were on pennys boat did sun gain insights into widmore?
13. is sun just using widmore to find the island?
14. is penny helping sun buy out paik industries?
15. could jin have been blown off the deck and survived?
16. Why were boone libby and charlie accounted for in the oceanic 6 lie?interesting that all three have appeared in visions to people, boone to locke, charlie to hurley and libby to mike
17. how did locke get off the island, is he still sitting on the submarine?
18. who is responsible for the bad stuff that happens on the island after jack leaves?
19. apparently, penny found the island from the purpling and her artic peeps that seemed to be her crew on the searcher, but i think charles found it when locke pressed 77. was naomi secretly working with penny
20. does hurley know mike died and knowingly lie to walt?
21. was kate having an imaginary convo on the phone when jack walked in on her?
22. did ben go along with richard plan to annoint locke cause he knew it would blow up in their face and he'd be the leader again if he could manage to get back to the island.
23. why did miles want to stay did it have to do with him telling naomis ghost to "see it through"?
Is he still loyal to widmore?
24. does walt have to go back with them, or else why did locke visit him. Is abbadon gonna be on the island or see locke when he come back,"when i see you again, youll owe me one"
25. was frank working for Ben, he seemed to wait at all the perfect times, like not using the hacksaw, to have it unfold the way it did. talk about deja vu hurley felt just like the porch collapse when he found out his weight was messing up the helicopter. I predict Frank is gonna be important, maybe he will pilot ben and the crew back to the island?
26. didnt ausellio claim keamy was motivated by more than money? Just as i thought Ben suspects that widmore told keamy specifically to kill alex, ben breaking the orchid is him throwing the rules out the window, instead of relying on time travel to change things Ben is prepared to listen to the oracles of christain and jacob for guidance
Hey, I wonder if Dr.Candlewickwax lost his arm in the Orchid chamber by being inside of it with his watch on, and it blew his arm off, and that's how they learned not to put metal parts in the microwave?! :-D
this is way out there but didn't John Locke say he was born a twin, what if Jeremy Bentham was his not so dead twin??
i disagree that sun holds jack responsible, i think its widmore or ben, mike told them he was working with ben. her week on penny's ship had to give her insights into widmores involvement. if anything it was frank that took off and didnt go back for jin, that why i think frank works for ben he wanted sun really pissed when she got home. I think sun's kid will be the key to the fetility problem. In that week im sure hurley or desmond told her how widmore sent keamy and the freighter. I think she is working with widmore to keep her enemies even closer, she want widmore to think shes mad at ben and not him, goes back to widmore tellign ben he caused all this to happen, imo meaning sending locke to stop pushing the button and subsquently pushing 77 and letting widmore find the island
good idea cap about the arm, sort of like how jacob hates technology
When did he say that? Did I miss that, or is that one of the millions of details that won't fit into my brain once each episode has filled it to capacity?! Wow. Oh boy! Evil twin! Evil twin!
Enough with the twins; we saw John born remember.
2costa Jack said Sun blames him for Jin's death. That's where that idea came from.
Locke wasn't a twin. But that's not to say that Locke wasn't caught violating the same law of physics that the #15 bunnies were in the SDCC Orchid video.
Kate tells Jack that it's been 3 years since they left the island. They also spent a week on Penny's boat. That could have brought them into 2005, so that scene at the airport with Bearded Jack could be in early 2008.
No! I will not give up on finding eventual justification for buying that book, Memphish! :o)
Apparently, Harrold Perrineau is not happy about Michael's demise!
surprised mike played the race card. i understand but am surprised none the less.
also when ben kills keamy and blows up the freighter wouldnt that make the island safe again. since all the bad people are dead?
do you think the O6 had the oceanic money when they were at the press conference.
sorry i guess i should have called him harold instead of mike
I agree with Perrineau, it's pretty shafty to bring him back just to immediately kill him without any real closure to his story arc. Walt may still be important, but he is really the first character to die without a conclusion to his turbulent story.
Unfortunate that Harold came back only to be sent packing again? Yes. Maybe a little heartless on the part of TPTB? Sure. Racial? Come on! Malcolm grew like nine feet. There wasn't a lot that could be done with his character on-screen. That, combined with Michael's need to be redeemed in the eyes of the Island, means "let's wrap this storyline up."
Post-script on the two Lockes in one space theory: I was really hoping that the body in the coffin would be scar-free, but it's just been well-makeupped. Darn! Still doesn't kill the theory, but it would have been a nice juicy hint if he hadn't had the eye scar.
Michael was on the boat for a purpose: to get Sun and Aaron off. He redeemed himself by doing that...it's something the island wanted of him. Walt seems to be doing okay with Grandma. And the fact that the Walt actor has grown so much, there's not many flash forwards/backs left there. I think the race card was uncalled for.
Maybe we'll find another hint Kyle, it's going to be a long haitus. :-o
Maybe he was supposed to have a better story arc. We didn't get the full complement of episodes - maybe his story arc was one of the casualties.
capcom - Maybe Sawyer has a twin or Desmond. . . If you're gonna dream, dream big. . .
I really like the idea that Ben can't get back to the island because there are now 2 Ben's and you can't have them touch (like Bunny #15).
I still wonder what is behind Door #1 in Ben's secret closet. Is that was is used to get on and off the island? Is that was Locke/Bentham uses?
That door and the frozen Orchid innards both have hieroglyphics on them. I think they belong to the 4-Toed Statue peple, and not the DI.
Interesting that there were two "frozen" moments in the episode: Michael using the liquid nitrogen to freeze the battery and, of course, the frozen donkey wheel needing to be unstuck.
anybody getting anything from OGR yet? I'm pretty interested to know, they have to have left a egg somewhere right?
I never really like Micheal/Harold in the show, he was a mover (ie he moved the story along) but he always seemed to be whinning, great actor tho, as for Walt and Mike getting back together, I think we are forgetting a more important father-son reunion, how about Jack and Christian? Jack sees him the lobby and then BAM nothing, that's what makes me bummed they do that and then nothing no clue, no puzzle, just he's there and then he's not there, at least he could have a crytpic message
John Locke, I'm gonna go on record and say there are two, unless when he came back to the "real world" his legs didn't work anymore and that's why he killed himself, just rambling really now
Oh guys sorry I'm new to the board, I use to call in the podcast a lot but then I got really caught up in school, but I appreciate everyone making me feel at home! No one watches LOST with me and if they do they don't want to hypthosize, my only LOST buddy is in MI and I'm TX for the summer
we text at commercial breaks!
Wow, I'm really confused by HP's comments. I didn't feel any bloodlust towards Mike, and didn't see any on the more civilized blogs. I saw more animosity towards AnaL actually! I also see quite a few orphans and people without dads and child/dad closure in this show, so how that is stereotyping, I don't get it.
Totally, Lost2010! Or...maybe there is a good Keamy? That would be nice.
Jack got his dad fired. Jin's dad might not be his actual dad, and his mom's a prostitute. Locke had his dad whacked, for crying out loud.
Harold might be a great guy, but he certainly has his irritating and irrational hangups.
Right Maven, MtheAlien mentioned that over on my blog too, that they might be similar states of suspending the reactive matter of both, and a hint by TPTB on the mechanism....in so many words. :-)
Hey James, you're a great addition to TLC! I'm in your viewing boat too, as for having peeps to talk to...if not for TLC, I'd be a Lost sad-sack. :-o
I had already forgotten Keamy - yes, let's give him a twin.
2010 makes a good point that his characters ending might have been lost in the short season.
I think this season would have been better if they could have played the whole thing out to allow them off the island.
I think they definitely did short work with last nights episode, keamy's crew was dealt with, and tons of people were killed by the boat explosion which seemed like it was added last minute.
They clearly had an end point to get to by the end of the season and took some shortcuts to get there..
Right Kyle! And as for his returning being a waste of time, I just don't understand that at all. Mike got to redeem his character. The actors who are only on for a few seconds every few eps or so (like CS), probably have to do more traveling and annoying island/mainland hopping than HP had to do.
Good points also Peter.
I'm not a big fan of any of the twin theories, the writers clearly found the bad twin book to be irrelevant and said that the writer didn't write about what they wanted.
Also the only twins so far were shannon and boone, who clearly didnt have too much significance being twins or anymore in the storyline.
They were actually step-siblings. Thus, the legal (if creepy) boning that ensued.
And technically, forget the main character's fathers - look at the other main characters themselves -
Sawyer, himself, abandoned his daughter without even bothering to ever meet her.
And Jack, who was standing in as a father figure, has now abandoned Aaron after saying all those awful things in front of him.
And Ben messed around and let Keamy shoot his daughter right in front of him.
I understand that he's upset that it plays into a certain stereotype, but good fathers don't really seem to exist on this show.
my bad, then there really haven't been any twins correct?
I'm a fan of the twin theory, because why would they call Locke, Jeremy, when only the Losties know who he is. I mean think about it, would you connect a name to a random person. I just don't think that with the way the story has been played out, there has to be a reason for the two names, everyone knows him as locke, why start calling him something different.
That's like everyone calling Jack, James or Kate Kelly, or, you get the idea, I just don't think it makes sense
If he's only coming back to talk to the Losties then why change the name, they know who he is, Ben knows who he is, heck everyone but Penny, Widmore know who he is, it just doesn't follow
thoughts?
I don't think there have been any twins. I was just goofing around with the idea of doubling all the good-looking men on the show. If they'll give us two Sawyers, I'll forgive them if they want to throw in an extra Claire as well.
I'll see you claire and raise you a Kate in what she was wearing last night
shirtless sawyer = cleavage kate
fair trade I'd say
My official twin theory is that Jack and Sawyer are fraternal twins - separated at birth. They were both born on the island and their mother died. They were sent back to the real world and adopted by the Shepherds and Fords respectively. The only problem is that I think Jack's supposed to be older than Sawyer. But it's still my favorite twin theory.
james - Sounds like a fair trade to me.
why would they call Locke, Jeremy, when only the Losties know who he is
Because, as Sayid told Hurley, they're being watched. Obviously, Abaddon has a strong interest in what's going on with those left behind. Whether it's his guys or Widmore's, someone isn't happy when something contradicts the Big Lie.
LOL you all everybuddy! :-D
Well, if Locke's name is changed, it could be from somehow ending up getting bounced from the island somehow and ending up back in the world, and having to change his name so as not to be recognized as someone who was on 815. Like Mike had to. That's the reason that floats to the top of my head for that at the moment.
I must be missing something very obvious, but how does the lie that Jack concocted actually protect either the O6 or the people still on the island?
but he's systematically talking to the Losties, I mean, I'll give you the annonymity part, but if he's only interacting with Losties why does it matter, for example
if it's only Jack and Ben in the funeral home, why refer to him as Jeremy?
If it's only Jack and Kate at the airfield, why refer to him as Jeremy
the other mentions of his name are legit because people were around, but when it's just Losties, doesn't make sense, Sun, didn't call Mike, Kevin, no she called him Michael
I don't know if this is sound combative or angry, I'm really not, I'm just super excited and I have so much to say, but I'm trying pace myself, I am at work
Reactions to HP's interview seem to be about 50/50 in favor and not, on DarkUFO. Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see how he/Mike has been put out more than any other actor/character who's died or been through hell on the show. I think that a good case could be made for all the women who have been killed off violently as a kind of misogynistic gender thing, if I was inclinded to think like a feminut. Meh, nuff said.
Oh yeah, I see what you're saying now James, duh, sorry. Good point. Maybe Locke has become "He Who Shall Not Be Named"? :o)
Hey Blueheron! I dunno, maybe just to keep anyone from poking around, but now that the island has moved, how could that matter? But complications with other survivors' families back home might be an issue.
I'll be on later, and I look forward to cracking this ARG with you. Talk to you guys laters
Namaste!
or since we're going backwards
ESTAMAN!
if it's only Jack and Ben in the funeral home, why refer to him as Jeremy?
Respect? Or the fact that it's a thin-walled, one-room funeral parlor in a urban area where who knows what boom mic is pointed in their direction?
If it's only Jack and Kate at the airfield, why refer to him as Jeremy
Derision? Or the fact that there's no shortage of surveillance and monitoring equipment in the vicinity of an airfield?
I really think that the surveillance/monitoring aspect is a blanket excuse. It covers all scenarios.
And as for "how does this protect those left behind?" Well, if they scrub the Island from all dialogue and pretend like it doesn't exist, how many people (leaving aside Widmore) are gonna go off and try to break it wide open?
Think about it in the inverse. Let's say they chat it up. "The official story is a lie! A cover-up! We were on an Island that has potentially mystical healing powers, and is populated by a bunch of ageless natives, ruins of a freaky ancient civilization, the remnants of a hippie commune, and oh yeah the rest of the 815 survivors."
For those who don't want the Island harmed, exploited, or just plain found, wouldn't that be a bad idea?
Kyle,
Those are good points, and I would add that the O6, if they told the truth, would have to say "By the way, don't bother looking for this magical island becaused it moved." So most people wouldn't believe the story anyway.
Maybe this is more of my question:
Someone in the world has already orchestrated both the fake 815 crash, as well as the attempted extermination of the 815 survivors. Whether it's Widmore, Abbadon's group, or someone else entirely (the still-unknown "economist"?), there are powerful, nasty people out there determined to gain control of the island and destroy anyone who was there. Jack and the O6 know this. So why would they think that by simply going along with the "Big Lie", that they would be safe when they returned to civilization?
I just watched it.
Wow.
My first guess about the coffin was Locke. Although has to be said, I had my doubts and right up until the end I wasn't sure.
Anyway, crazy theory number one: Polar Bears were indigenous to the island. The reason they were being assessed for adaptability to climate change is because Dharma found either remains or maybe a live one (or the ones we knew about) already there and couldn't figure out why they would be living there. But the island was once in an icier realm (which takes me back to the ancient Antarctic tribe theory) and were trained somehow to push that wheel.
Anyway more to come I'm sure, that was just immediately after watching. Also I said this before but... Wow.
i think that they keep calling him Jeremy is because they just believe the lie. If you out Locke you out yourself. they would get destroyed in this modern media age being exposed as frauds.
I dont think there is a right side to harold statement. it is just his personal experience as an black actor.
fenris - your excitement for just watching the show makes me want to go watch it again..
They were lying about his name because they were being watched by widmore or someone else, as sayid pointed out to hurley when he came to get him at the mental hospital
i knew it had to be locke when walt came to visit hurley, because he never met desmond and it wans't mike obviously, plus jermy latham is JL like john locke
if it turns out that walt is abbadom, mike dying and bringing walt to grams first was all part of the plan, in the same way that alex had to die to get ebn pissed of. MIke had to die to get walt looking for the island
plus im now thinking christain works with widmore, would make sense that christain lets mike die, thus makeing walt/adbbadon hate ben cause after all last thing walt knew Ben was the resident bad guy on the island, which would also explain why locke was told to kill naomis, cause that is what made things turn out bad in new otherton. I would/nt be surprised if frank shot the whole in the chopper, for a burnout he was sure quick to remmeber there would be two holes in the tank, which is no certanty, almost like a nod to my idea that frank was privvy to the timeline and was working very close with widmore or ben
2costa, "Latham" was a foiler from last year. The name is Bentham with a B.
i think a big key to the locke thing in the coffin, is if locke is destined to be jacob, he needed to die off the island, like christain, and then his body needed to be brought to the island.
imo next season the present will be ben sayid jack and locke body trying to get back to the island, and many of the flashbacks will happen in the two years locke was the leader on the island and everything went bad, to me it was likce ben saying richard you want locke so bad here he is as your leader, then when ben come back like told u so guys. im back to lead, ben is putin locke is medeved
i just was hearing latham suggestively, but the fact that walt knew him tipped me off.
whats the significanc eof libby boone and charlie being accounted for in the O6 cover story, did penny find out how evil her dad is during her week with the O6
did ben allow desmond to escape to find Penny?
is charlotte someone we know's daughter? was she like walt or aaron taken from the island?
Libby, Boone and Charlie are all dead, and thus cannot impugn the Big Lie. Patsies for the cause of creating the unbreakable alibi.
another thing the orchid video reminded me is that in the first one we saw in the summer, it was before they built the vault, perhaps that made it way safer, in the original it seems like halliwax was in the orchid chamber and it was much bigger, but after the bunny thing they made if safer, but i think the incident was perhaps like ben turning the wheel but more uncontroled before the swan and the vault and that put dharma stuff all over time and space along vortex hot spots like tunesia.
I wonder if Ben was at the orchid fiftenn years earlier somehow related to nadia sayid and kelvin in the gulf war the times add up?
also libby charlie and boone all appear to people in visions? boone to locke libby to mike and charlie to hurley
did they ever say who the other two were? there were a total of 11 in the lie
Nope. 9. The survivors were Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Sayid, Libby, Boone, and Charlie. That's 8. Libby, Boone and Charlie die. That's 5. Kate "gives birth to" Aaron. That's the Oceanic 6.
adam savage made a good point about lockes name change from one philosepher to another
We also finally got to see who was in the coffin that had Jack so torn up in last season's flash-forward finale. It was Jeremy Bentham—named for an 18th century philosopher who managed to preserve his head after he died (he did, I swear—just Google his name!). This mystery man had visited Walt, Jack and Kate before he ended up in that funeral home and was actually John Locke, who was of course named after another famous philosopher. My wife—we're both crazy fans—thinks that there might be something clued into the shift from Locke to Bentham
oh thanks kyle i totally lost that nuance...
did you see the alternate endings where it was sawyer and desmond in the coffin on darkufo?
I think I'm all speculated out on the last episode. Thanks for all the good discussion this season. See you guys next year.
I also don't get why "he who shall not be named" except for calling him Jeremy Bentham is important. Jack and Kate were out in the open in an out of the way place, and Ben/Jack were alone, as were Walt/Hurley Sayid/Hurley (although I understand how they could be overheard). But what's the big deal about saying John Locke's name? Even Keamy didn't know who he was! The only threat I could see would be if Abaddon is definitely only working for Widmore...he knew who he was.
Maven - I can only assume that it was something that was determined when Locke was visiting everyone. Whatever you do don't mention my name anywhere to anyone!
Maybe it's "John Locke" hunting nanobots in the air.
Okay further ideas. Perhaps the Island has moved in time (as well as space) the same amount as Ben did. Ben Landed on Oct 24th 2005. 11 odd months from where they were on the island. While we now seem to be left with the six in 2007. Not sure what that achieves mind!
Another one (on second viewing now). When Claire said to Kate "Don't you dare bring him back" what if she wasn't talking about Aaron? Could it be Ben, Locke or Widmore?
Also we don't know for a fact that the island wants "all" of them to go back to the island, it may not include Locke or it perhaps doesn't include someone else that Ben may try to insist it does. Ben may no longer be working for the islands best interests. He did seem pretty bitter.
Okay that's enough for now. Lol. It's a shame I have to view timeshifted.
i said that already fenris, if the island moved to 2005, then there would still be the 2 bad years on the island before oxycotton jack need to go back, i agree locke must have told them not to utter his name.
fenris or whoever, if daniel could get unstuck in time just from his purple ray, maybe widmore or abbadon can make an orchid outside of the island like at the hadron particle accelerator??
arent they hoping some dark matter or whatever is produced there, like the stuff powering the orchid?
I think Richard is not to be trusted by Ben, i feel that since Ben was on the outs with jacob, he used locke to get the intel, but he brought locke with him to give richard someone to save, he sabotagued the orchid so that noone could meddle with the timeline while he is gone.
i think widmore or abbadon used to be the others leader and they had to move the island before, either one is trying to go back even though Ben said your not supposed to. Much like it appears Ben always intended on going back. Ben warping to 2005 seems to explain why he waited so long to confront widmore about alex.
Sun could have only meant frank walt and desmond when she told widmore more people have left the island. Perhaps its her not so subtle clue that she knows where penny and desmond are. I think its highly unlikely that Sun could buy paik with just oceanic money, i beleive she is working with Penny, you think nooone talked for a week on searcher. Thats why they told desmond to make sure they dont find him. Did frank stay on searcher?
call me crazy but I think frank was just too cool the last 3 episodes in that he always did exactly the right move to make the O6 be who they are. Frank could have derailed things with slightly different timing, If he didnt want the tool case to take of the cuff, then what for. If keamy shot a hole in the tank wouldnt it have emptied sooner? How was frank so sure there were 2 holes, one hole wouldnt drain as quickly like an old school hawaiian punch can
how was he so sure the bullet did exit the gas tank, while he was cuffed there couldnt he have smelled gas? or tried to fix it? why was his pilot friend never mentioned? why was there talk of the pilot having an appearance in the episode?
this was on dark ufo before the episode
Tonight we learn more about Ben Linus, and more about Charles Widmore.
Greg Grunberg, the pilot in the pilot, returns for what is rumored to be tonight’s only flashback.
Michael, Jin and Desmond will deal with the freighter bomb. Not with a lot of success, one assumes.
Miles, who seems to know a secret about Charlotte, will tell Daniel he wants to stay on the island.
Sawyer will make it onto Lapidus’ helicopter with Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid. But a heroic sacrifice will need to be made…
did i miss a flashback?
http://octagonglobalrecruiting.com/
is this a new arg, octagon like the hedron and dharma symbols, the commercial was at the end I guess. Anyone know anything?
the dharma initiative lives awsome
2costa: Yep, we're thinking Octagon is the start of a new ARG. Register with your email. None of us have gotten anything yet!
OT: I've been hard at work on my LOST quilt since S4 ended! I printed key moments of last night's episode on fabric and everything is ironed down! I must say I'm pretty proud of it! Pictures might be posted by next week!
Can't wait to see the pix Maven! Will they be on your quilt blog? :-D
Capcom: I'll probably create a Lost Quilt blog! I really don't like to show my work until it's finished! But I might make an exception, because it's awesome!
Oh man, can't wait. You might teach us something about quilting, if you post "in-progress" pix!
quilt blog - funny
2costa was saying that abbadon could have been a leader of the others.
wouldnt it be something if lady klugh and abaddon were a couple on the island and maybe walt is there lost grandchild.
its going to be a long hiatus..
Don't laff at our ladies' quilt blog, you, you, man! :-D Heehee.
Oh wow, Bea and Abaddon, that would make a great pair. Adam and Eve maybe? Hmmm.
I take this quilting thing VERY seriously! LOL
I decided to begin the LOST Quilt blog. This is a work in progress!
Neat, check it out everyone!
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