This is a "lag alleviation" post for "A Tale of Two Cities". So much great conversation resulted in the previous thread, we had to start a new one! While we try to come up with a definitive strategy for spoilers, please try to keep your discussions generally, "spoiler free". Happy "Day After Lost Day"!!!
Thursday, October 05, 2006
A TALE OF TWO CITIES - SEASON 3, EPISODE 1 (POST 2)
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Great show, did something happen to Kate from between the time we saw her at the beach and when Zeke brought her to the cage? Her wrists were all cut up from the handcuffs. Was that from struggling as they brought her to the cage, or did we miss something in between?
Good morning TLC!
First let me say... WOW.
I'll have more to say in a few minutes...now I have to go read the previous post...
americanpi
Think back to season 2 finale......Same basic scenerio for Michael, captured, blood drawn, wrist injury from non serious trama, 10 days to 2 weeks of torture, madness or sickness sets in.......
Re: The "Jack" file that Juliet had -- I guess the Others have signed up for Verizon's FiOS service!
I liked the flashback in the beginning with the Others in their little community but Jack's flashbacks were really disapointing. I didn't feel like I learned anything new about him.
Morning all!
I had an alternative theory about Jack's "file" and the shots they were given. I apologize in advance if this has been said. Is it at all possible that the shot was actually sodium penethol (aka truth serum - sorry for spelling it wrong) and that the others really didn't have a file ... Jack told them everything under the influence? Just a theory.
Oh, and I have an AmEx, so once I go exploring, I'll let you know what I find. AWESOME episode.
Ok, I thought to do the AmEx Lost and Found thing you had to go to ABC.com, but I don't see anything there. Anyone remember what you're supposed to do?
Good Morning Losties!!
I am not sure if this has been said or not. I think that the people we have come to know as the "Others" are not the group of people we saw last night. I think Benry and his group are left over from the DI and that the real "Others" are people that have escaped and are running wild. What do you guys think.
Oh, and I so called the Utopian Society back in the middle of the game!!!
tdiddy - I think I've found the site. Try www.abc.com/lost
There's a spot for a video there but it says to come back tomorrow. I'll be checking it throughout the day.
GREAT episode last night!
Sage-I agree about the Jack flashbacks. They seemed so "dark".
I also think that the Others (or Fothers-if we go with Thrasher) were expecting something. I know if I were to see a plane crash I would have been a little taken aback, NOT planning on how to infiltrate the survivors.
Anyway, the book WAS Stephen King, they showed the cover, but all you could see was the author, no title. The writers way of giving a nod to their #1 fan I think:).
Good morning LoCo!
1. engineer27 asked yesterday what pre-80s song we would here last night...Downtown!
2. The others clearly have ongoing contact with the outside world....Juliet has a CD player and a relatively recent Stephen King novel. Not to mention, EXTENSIVE research on Jack. (though your mother's theory is pretty good)
3. I found it odd that Benry would automatically assume there would be survivors from the crash. It looked pretty horrific from their perspective, breaking apart in midair. But his response was so quick, could something like that have happened before?
Morning all! Tough sleeping last night...my mind was racing with Lost questions! LOL
I think the number question I awoke with was: It sure seemed like the Others didn't know anything about the plane crash happening before it did. The rumbling that interrupted the book club discussion did seem like an earthquake at first (something they seemed to be familiar with as they ran to stand in doorways of the house). But when they went outside and saw the plane going down (awesome shot!), it seemed like it was something unexpected. Although, Ben did immediately and calmly (and creepily) take control and sent Goodwin and Ethan on their errands. He knew that a situation was developing that had to be contained. He needed a list of the passengers fast. In other words, I don't think these Others had anything to do with getting certain people on Flight 815.
Another thing: When Juliet says just before the rumbling and shaking: "Here I'm thinking that free will actually still exists on..." and then she's cut off. Exists on....what? This island? Our planet? She used "on" not "in"....which could have lead to in our town, in our country, in this house. Very curious.
Hi Guys,
Just somethoughts as as I mentioned I am at present laptopless and therefore unable to see Lost :(
Surely it would be pretty easy for the others to get information on Jack. Ethan could have given them the basics, and that might be enought for Juliette to convince Jack that she knew everyhing getting him to reveal what then knew.
Of course another option is that Ben and Tom have access to the outside world. With 60 or so days it's not hard to get a whole load of info on someone.
I do think they have access to the outside world. They have a copy of a 1999 Stephen King book ("Carrie"), not to mention the CD's and player. Even the coffee urn that Ben offered to Kate if she would put on her bracelets seemed very modern (glass and metal). So, therefore, they could've gotten info on Jack. Remember Ben told Ethan to get a list (of the passengers on the plane crash) fast!
The AMEX site is still saying "Come back tomorrow".
Mmmn So they 're reading Carrie and then they come across Walt with his powers, no longer they wanted to let him go!
Just chiming in with my two cents (from the old thread). Now that work has blocked Blogger (ARGHH!!) I can only contribute at home.
There's no way the Others we know (Goodwin, Ethan, Ben, Juliet, and even Tom) were original DHARMA operatives. Remember, even if there were some recruitments going on into the 90's (see: Kelvin), there's no indication from any of these Others that they were originally scientists. Juliet obfuscated when Jack asked her about DI. If DI started in the early 70's, and was semi-officially suspended in the early 80's, these are not the original operatives.
SO...Are they the children of DI operatives, or did DHARMA experiment on children, too?
Hi, all. Relatively new poster here. Some thoughts that keep bouncing around my mind:
1. I've always wondered how so many people survived the crash, and many with only minor injuries. It looks like we have a partial answer now--the plane was not tens of thousands of feet up when it broke apart. But I'm wondering why did no one on the plane apparently notice that they had dropped that far in altitude? And I'm still wondering why everyone apparently blacked out when they put on their oxygen masks.
2. If the monster is indeed the security system that Rosseau claims it is, perhaps it killed the pilot because the pilot was the only one who saw the village as the plane was coming down (the monster must keep the village's location a secret?). The monster hasn't actually killed anyone else, has it? Although it did try to pull Locke underground.
3. I believe, for the moment, that all of the Others are remnants of the Dharma Initiative, but they have broken into at least two factions: one led by Benry (like that name too much to just say "Ben") in a dictatorial style, and a second group--the "other" Others if you will--to which Juliet belongs. Can't really speculate on what either group is trying to accomplish, though.
Boy, that episode made my head spin.
Ben's (Henry,Fenry) actions at the time of the plane crash, were those of a well trained and organized military leader. Ethan and Goodwin, with no questions asked, responded immediately to the commands of Ben. They are soldiers, but I am betting, not "Onward Christian Soldiers"
Here is a twist, speculation on my part about Ben, so no spoiler info technically....
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.lost/browse_frm/thread/95027f8f827843ea/1778bc0b44f138ad#1778bc0b44f138ad
"Pleased to meet you, Hope you guess my name"
Hey Ular - I think the REAL AmEx site is here: www.abc.com/lost. It talks about membership only clips and it being sponsored by American Express ... so I'd keep checking that page.
Two questions for the group:
1. When the Others all came outside, were there any children visible in the scene?
2. Were Alex and/or Ms. Klugh in this episode at all?
So... Juliet, not Rachel Blake, knows who Jack shephard is. :))
blueheron
1) No
2) No
:)
I'm watching the show again... I had to keep reminding myself that the opening scenes at the "Others" village happened 40 something days before the remainder of the show. Things have happened in their lives in those weeks too.
More thoughts that I must spill on to the page:
1. Anyone else think that maybe the Others got their info on Jack from the monster? It certainly seemed to can Eko's mind a while back.
2. I can't make up mind whether Jack's escape attempt was set up by the Others or if caught them by surprise. Juliet did look betrayed when Benry left her down in the water. But it could just as easily have been an elaborate setup to make Jack more complacent and trusting of Juliet.
3. Anyone have speculation about why Jack heard his father's voice on the intercom box? A hallucination? Or something else?
I just remembered, that Jack heard his father's voice coming from that busted-up, old intercom in the green hatch room he was in. What was that all about? Puts me in mind of the black smoke and Eko's life reflected in it. So, hallucination or mysterious?
PS: Pharma-I am SOOO glad that you got to watch the episode so soon!
blueheron13-We are sharing the same brain today;)
Sorry about that!
Make that "scan" Eko's mind.
Thanks for the answers, thinbluemine
I would just love it if Jack's father was alive and a master mind in all of this...
i dont know if it was jacks father through the intercom, but this better not become one of those shows where suddenly people start coming back to life.
maybe the others were playing a recording of his through the intercom to mess with jacks mind.
Yeah, ange. Same thought at the same time!
Where would the Others get a recording of Jack's fathers's voice, I wonder?
wow, just wow! the first five minutes set me reeling. there's a friggin' suburb in the jungle! and the others can get from that suburb to the losties in less than an hour? holy crap does this change things. they're not on antoher island, they're basically across a small bay!
oh, and goooooooooooood morning tlc!
thats what i thought blueheron. they had everything else on jack. they must have had a recording of jacks fathher.
I think that Christian Shepherd is dead. TPTB has said that when people die in lost then they remain dead. I would think that it is mroe likely that when Jack saw his father it was actually the smoke monster (as was Kate's horse).
I think that the recording of his father's voice was a tool used to screw with Jack's mind.
I think who Carl is (Other? Tailie?) will go unanswered for a while. Just like the answer to the question of why he was forced to apologize to Sawyer. And the answer to the question of what happened to him after he was taken away.
I think Carl=Plant by Benry et al. But that is MHO.
Also, Hi jess:)I agree with you, Jack's father's voice in the com. was saying exactly what he said in the flashback. I don't see how that could have been a recording (holograms...heheh).
Sean, were you the one who first used the name "Benry"? That name cracked me up as much as the "fish biscuit" line in the episode.
yeah. i thought up "benry" in the previous thread.
I think Jack was hallucinating when he heard his father through the intercom. He was dehydrated and hadn't eaten in who knows how long.
Hey, jess. I asked that same question last night, too. Is Carl an Other that has to be "reprogrammed" or is he from the Tailies? (P.S.: I'm twinkling away!)
Pharma: Glad to see you got to see the Opener so quickly! Yea!
Blueheron13: I think Jack's escape attempt was preplanned by Ben/Juliet. They wanted him to see the futility of him escaping. It was a scenario they planned for. And I think that Ben and Juliet are playing Good Cop/Bad Cop with Jack. (Juliet is obviously trying to gain his trust, and there's no way that Jack will trust Ben.)
Fish_biscuit, you have some of the questions I have. I think that finding out what the connection is/was between Benry and Juliet will be an important part of the next few episodes. Were they romantically linked and broke up recently? Are they from different "factions" of Others and have opposing beliefs on their mission on the island? I have no idea yet.
unless carl was on the plane. they might end up doing a whole backstory episode on how he fell isolated from everyone else on the island. thinking he was the sole survivor, he looked around the island, the others found him, and cptured him.
Maven, your logic about the escape attempt being a planned-for scenario make good sense to me. The Others seem to careful to let Jack get (partillay) away that easily.
Hi Maven
I agree that both the escapes were planned, it's the old trick of letting the prisoner think that they can escape and then showing them the futility of the attempt.
So is everyone preparing something for the podcast? As I am technologiacally deprived at present I have had to do an email only comment but I will be 'on air' next week :)
so who thinks juliet and ben are ex's? there is definitely some tension there. and the opening book club scene where juliet says she doesn't care what book ben would read. she does what he says because she has to for some reason, but she definitely doesn't like it!
Not preparing anything for the podcast, but looking forward to listening to it.
Ox,
I think that's a definite possibility.
Sounds like Juliettes relationship with Jack could cause tension between Jack and Benry. Wow we could have a love pentangle!
any possibility, and this is just my random thoughts, not based on anything, but is it possible that tom friendly is the father of either benry or juliet?
Hey guys!
I think Benry doesn't approve of Juliette's choice of reading material. He looked accusatory and she looked a bit sheepish. And she said it was her favorite book. I think Benry is a person of absolutes. This person is "good", that one "bad" and having prefrences that don't fit with his model of what a good person is puts you on his s*** list. Rather a Nazi, really.
Also, they all ran outside looked UP after the earthquake. Like they were expecting that something could be happening up there. No one seemed too terribly taken aback by the fact that an airliner was breaking up right in front of their faces.
Another thing that got me was when Jack was sitting in his car watching Sara, "Moonlight Serenade" was playing. Remember? That's what was playing the night Sayid and Hurley heard that WWII radio station.
I just rewatched to opening: It sure seems that Juliet is gathering inner strength to face the book club. She puts on "Downtown" and takes a deep breath and sighs. She probably knows that there will be a confrontation in the book club. It also left me with the impression that Ben is definitely in charge around Othertown, and she has to explain herself. There might be two factions of Others in town. When Adam says regarding the book choice: "There's no metaphors. It's by the numbers, religious hokum pokum. It's science fiction...now I know why Ben isn't here." This makes me think that Ben is a scientist, strictly by the book. He needs facts that can be proven.
Thanks for the pixie dust offer, Jess! :)ala
maven: i took that scene where adam disses the book to mean that some, if not most, hero-worship ben. juliet knows him personally from her past (intimate) relationship with him and thus has no qualms about doing things he wouldn't do. name the favorite sports or movie star from your childhood, no matter how great you thought they were, chances are they had an ex who thought they were a piece of crap.
maybe that book could have been the valenzetti equation.
Maven, I think Adam's comments are also a little tounge-in-cheek reference to what some fans may feel about LOST itself, a comment thrown in for a little humor.
Deannacat,
Good points. It seemed like they had all been through the earthquake (hatch-shaking) episode before, weren't overly distressed by it, and in fact had a plan for what to do in such situations, and were looking UP to see what, if anything, got dragged into the island this time!
It reminds me of how none of the Others seemed terribly appalled by the "discharge" event at the end of Season 2.
Ox! Good to see you! I feel like school's started again and I'm getting to see all my old friends.
Benry and Juliet are totally exes. She had the book club meeting without him and purposely chose a book that he would hate. Very petty. They clearly did not have the bond of "assault by small appliance" to keep their love going.
*sniff*
Don't forget at some point the Nigerian drug runners plane had dropped from the sky so plane crashes on the island wasn't an entirely new phenomenon.
Deannacat,
Great catch on the song, too! I think Doc Jensen (in the EW article) mentioned hearing the song when he watched the episode, but I missed it.
oxillini: Yes, I agree...a faction of the group probably do worship Ben and sees him as their leader. Juliet most likely picked a book that she knew would rile Ben, probably a way for her assert herself. The older woman (didn't get her name) in the book club seems to standing up for Juliet's choice. So there might be some underlying tension and two or more factions could be forming.
However, Juliet seems to be doing Ben's bidding in regards to dealing with Jack. But remember, island time has gone by since the opening scene and the rest of the episode. (Around 65 days if I remember). So a lot could have gone on between the bookclub/plane crash to the show's present day when the Others had to deal with the newcomers on their island. (Possibility exists it is not an island, though, but part of a larger land mass...as seen from the opening shot)
Thanks for reminding me about the druggie plane. Now I'm wondering, why did they bury the real Henry Gale and not the drug runners? Fenry (as Henry) said he was travelling with his wife. Did the wife bury the "real" Henry? If so, where is she?
Sorry, LFB, but Benry is too funny to give up.
Dolenore,
I thinked you summed up Jack's history very well.
I would like to stick with Benry also. Unless it gets so annoying it drives people away from the comments.
could the rumbling felt before the others went outside have been desmond's not having entered the numbers yet because he was off following and killing kelvin? I think that Ben was expecting the plane crash but did not know exactly when it would arrive. I mean he knew exactly what to do.
oh and hello TLC!!!
Dark Angel: Very good point. Forgot about that Nigerian plane crash. Ben and the Others definitely first looked up when they ran outside. But they maybe heard the plane in distress, and that was their first reaction. And Ben also seemed to know what to do right away and took command of the situation. And Goodwin and Ethan didn't question anything...just started running upon Ben's orders.
Anyway, gotta run for a while...can't wait to get back and continue this stimulating discussion. Love that I now have fellow obsessed Losties to immediately converse with! Love TLC!
WV: mfink Remember being a "fink"? LOL
thanks fysb. certainly does feel like everyone's back. good to see all the tlec regulars plus some newly outed lurkers!
speaker uses benry also.
fysb,
I don't think the Henry's wife was on the balloon. Didn't he leave a farewell note to her saying something to the effect that crossing the Pacific was a lot tougher than he thought it would be, that she was right about that?
maybe the real henry gale was a grug runner.
i still dont know where the baloon came from, but seeing as how "advanced" the others are, its not inconceivable that they would have a hot ait baloon.
thanks blueheron, forgot about that. man, there are a lot of details to remember!
still...i have the burial question.
there are so many typos in my last post.
Hi Guys
Time to go - I'll be back tommorow and I hope to be back online proper by Sunday
Lostfanboy Check out Passafists post in the previous thread. We are doing our own TLC podcast - just record an MP3 (5 mins or less) (download audacity if you don't have any software) and send it to passafistwastaken@gmail.com. If you can't record an MP3 then an email would be cool.
Sorry can't be more specific but I have to go
Byeeee
Namaste
DA
hi im new to the posting, but i follow all these religiously! the book juliet had in her hand at the book club, you could see it when they were outside was a stephen king novel. i didnt catch which book, but saw stephen king.
jess4ua,
I think Jack did the right thing. He couldn't let his father continue on as a surgeon. But he definitely needed to fix his relationship with his dad, and failed to do so. Of course, his dad must share some blame in this.
Blue Heron: Thanks!
Seemed to me also that Jack's backstory was serving to shed a different light on HIM. Obviously, the good doctor is not the Mr. Stability-always-making-solid-decisions that we've all come to know and depend on. The breakup with Sara was much more emotionally charged on Jack's end than hers and he was jumping to conclusions that it was his father that was sleeping with his wife. He was a little crazy there for awhile and I think Juliette saw that it's a vulnerability and is using it against Jack.
sean, typos? so henry was NOT a grug runner?
Who's the kid?!? OK, I gotta go rewatch the ep now so I can see if she's really there!
jeez, fysb. where do i begin. i mispelled balloon twice. i mispelled air as ait. and of course, grug.
Good catch, Lostfanboy!
i have to get going. but ill check back in later.
only 6 days, 8 hours and 44 minutes to the next all new lost!
lostfanboy,
Great catch. I agree that there probably was a plot line that was dropped due to time constraints, and that it involved that little girl.
Further evidence would be that there seemed to be a disconnect in the series of flashback scenes between when Jack is watching Sara from the car and then is talking to her about his lawyer. The little girl was probably one of the children around Sara in the first scene.
If they had kept in the scene in Jack's prison with the little girl, I suspect she would have fallen into the same category of mystery as the voice of Jack's father on the intercom--hallucination, hologram, something else?
Jack was being "drowned in the drink" this episode, as punishment for the indirect cause of Christian's death "Drowned in the Drink"
Oh the irony :)
So, I'm all caught up with you guys. Great discussions.
Here is what puzzles me. If Desmond is the one really at fault with bringing the plane down, then how did the others know that this plane was going to crash with these specific people on board. Unless they knew that Desmond was going to miss pushing the button on that day when flight 815 was flying nearby. Which is highly unlikely. The only thing I can think of is that Desmond missing the button didn't really casue that plane to go down. This outcome I don't think is right. That electromagnetic discharge I think would have a great effect on nearby flying planes and Desmond was at fault.
So how do they know so much about our 815 survivors? The lists that Goodwin and Ethan brought back is how. Ben gets the lists and they start collecting data about them and find out who they want to do tests on and so on...
I think they didn't know that this specific flight was to crash that day. Yes, seeing the plane crash did not seem to suprise the others that much, but they've seen this before...Hot Air Baloon, Drug plane and so on.
Sorry for the long post. I also think Jack isn't under water either. The tanks right next to Sawyer's cage had the same logo as the one Jack is in....It's all a mind game going on.
ryandrumz,
I can now accept that the tummult resulting from Desmond not pushing the button caused the plane to break up, but what I'm still wondering is what caused the plane to lose its instruments and turn around (back toward Fiji) about two hours before the crash?
I think that Jack may be under water, but in an aquarium setting there at the zoological facility, and not out in the ocean. But you might be right...
wv: iooak
And the tree wants me to pay up. Now.
Roomforhuman - Very good to point out...Kelvin set it all up with these "others" so that Desmond would miss pushing the button, so that this plane would crash. I don't think it was planned that Kelvin would die. And yes, I do think he's dead.
FYSB: Thanks for the shout-out (Re: "Downtown").
Whoever asked about whether Ms. Klugh appeared in the opening sequence, the answer is YES!
She is on the couch, to the right of Juliet.
ryandrumz: I have to disagree. I think Kelvin Lives!
I do agree that the incident was timed specifically to bring down flight 815.
And think: maybe the pilot diverted from his planned course on purpose, so that the plane would be in the right place at the right time to be hit with the electromagnetic pulse. That's why Old Smokey had to take him away.
Hey all! Finally caught up this morning. Good to see everyone back.
lostfanboy said... Can you belive that some people didn't like it. On tv.com some people are giving it 1 out of 10 saying it jumped the shark.
I can't believe that either. I have a group of friends that watch LOST faithfully too, and they threw a premier party last night- everyone thought it was lame and they were complaining about how slow it was (including my hubby-traitor!). I thought they were crazy. I think for the casual viewer, they just aren't asking the questions that we are, they don't think about it, so they don't realize how much was actually in that episode. Good catch BTW on that pic w/the little girl. I kinda wish they hadn't cut that out, would've been interesting.
designermama: "You are Number Six"
Engineer27, Very good...Do we actually even know if the pilot was killed? Maybe the monster just took him away to bring him back to his people across the island...
Hi All!
Maven; I thought that Juliet was going to say, "Here I'm thinking that free will actually still exists on...[[craphole island]]."
Benry's coffee maker has actually been around for a while, it's a French or Italian (I think) coffee press.
I think that the King book is way too small to be The Stand, at least in hardcover, that book is huge. And how weird would Juliet be if "Carrie" was her favorite book of all time? I hope that she was just razzing the guy.
Dark Angel, I agree, they have just enough info to break Jack down. In reality, Sara could be completely unhappy and missing Jack, but to break Jack, they tell him that she's happy. Too easy for them, but effective!
Hi TLCM, how are you doing? Also, if Benry thinks that the Swan hatch is "a joke" (assuming that's the truth) why don't they just kill the swan station person, let the computer count down or use the key, and then they don't have to worry about it anymore? Unless they do need to use it to bring down fresh people from the sky and sea. Too many Qs!
Kelvin lives, because it is physically impossible to ever achieve Zero Kelvin!
I think ben was expecting flight 815; he wasn't expecting the crash. he was very concerned about finding survivors. I'm not sure if the others knew about desmond and the hatch and its purpose. obviously, desmond knew about the hostels. I don't think he had encountered them but learned about them from kelvin. perhaps kelvin knew of the line in the sand that separated the hostel from them.
if ben was expecting flight 815, then he could already have the info on jack and everyone on that plane. what he didn't have was who survived the crash and thus that's why he sent ethan and goodwin.
juliette not only resembles penny but she also resembles sara, that's why she was chosen to work with jack.
I also think that if kate had said "where is jack and sawyer" instead of "where is sawyer and jsck" she would have been put in with jack. she chose her fate with out knowing it. I mean it obvious that this is all a mind game to the others.
Ok, not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but did anyone watch the preview for next week and Benry saying "what boat?" Leading us to believe that he knows nothing of the boat. So, does that mean he doesn't know about Desmond manning the hatch?
scoutpost: really? people thought it was too slow? i found myself thinking, that was an hour long? i wish it could have been 3 hours long. othertown shocked me, jack's sarah issues added about 100 facets to his character and juliet is a huge question mark. wow, i want to watch the episode at least another two times to catch everything!
capcom: yes, ben's coffee maker is a french press. those make an awesome pot of coffee from fresh grounds. thanks for making me think of that when all i have available is the crap they serve at work!
capcom..
I'm doing okay, tired and weak which are normal for chemo. I'm so glad to have this community to talk to and to have LOST to entertain me.
I think benri and the swan hatch folks ahd a deal to leave each other alone. I don't think benri new what would happen when the fail safe key was used; they were surprised at the end of last season and although the results were more intense the rumble was the same as the begin of S3. remember desmond got back late to enter the numbers that day.
RyaNDrumZ said...
Maybe the monster just took him away to bring him back to his people across the island...
That's what I'm saying. Maybe I need to watch the "Pilot" episode again really closely.
RE: The "Jack File", don't forget they had Michael tied up for 2-3 weeks, and we don't know how much he let spill about his fellow crashees.
capcom said...
why don't they just kill the swan station person...
It is obviously not that simple. The Others have a mission and a purpose, perhaps controlled by someone we have not yet seen. We just don't know enough about their purpose yet.
Heh, funny Engineer27! :-)
Concering the cut-out scene of Jack saving the girl, I wonder what would have been Sara's reaction after Jack jumps out of his car and saves her....."Oh geez, there goes Jack the Superhero, saving lives again, what a jerk! And how dare he spy on me!"
Good point TLCM about Kate's choice of answer being the outcome of her fate.
engineer: i knew we could count on you for at least one geek joke. as the saying on my engineering campus used to go: you can't spell geek without double e. pretty bad when other engineers mock your geekitude!
So Jack asked Juliet if they were part of the DI and Juliet says that was a long time ago or something like that. I can accept that not all of them are original DI leftovers and are newer recruits. But still- what are they doing? Are they still carrying out the purpose of the DI and trying to change the VE? Or have they become something else? Is Ben the evil predecessor of Mittlewerk? They definitely have something to hide, what/why? How does this all tie together? It's driving me crazy!!! And why, if Kelvin is part of the DI, hired to push the numbers, then why was he oblivious to the nice little Othertown on the other side of the island? He didn't seem to be part of their community- was he just a subject for study? I guess so. So amazing that Desmond and Kelvin were living such a lonely existence on one side of the island while the Others were living it up in their little village.
Along those same lines, Scott, the others seemed unconcerned with whether or not the button gets pushed. Did they assume that Kelvin has taking care of it. Why didn't they know what was happening over there.
Kelvin called the others "The Hostiles". Maybe they put on their hillbillie clothes to put on a show for Kelvin and he didn't know they were a modern community.
oxillini: double-e indeed! That made my day. I think I'll have to post it at work :D
That's also bothering me. How are Kelvin and the folks in Othertown tied together?
Hey OX! Yeah I'm with you- gotta watch it a few more times to catch everything. I don't know what the people who were disappointed with the premier were expecting.
roomforhuman-
So true! But doesn't it make you wonder what other stuff he DOESN'T know about. Maybe they aren't as informed as they would like to think...
Getting back to the picture of the little girl in Jack's cell noted earilier in the comments:
I just read on a site called buddytv.com that after all the episodes for Season 3 are aired, ABC will then air all 23 in a row as reruns, but with additonal scenes in them.
Maybe that's when we'll see the scenes with the little girl?
TLCM, keep the faith. When I went thru chemo, Lost was just starting and it gave me something else to think about for a while too. Although this great community did not exist yet. :-)
Sorry for making you think about good coffee, Ox. BTW, maybe at work you can use the Chemex coffee maker. It's been around since the 1940s. Just an hourglass shaped glass coffee pot with a paper liner. If you can get perk-hot water somehwere at work, you can use the Chemex. It comes in all sizes, from tiny (2 cup) to large. Very simple, yet very "moderne". Available online too.
capcom: oooh, that's the glass, vacuum powered one right. those things are awesome!
WOW!!! I caught everything you are all saying, the music selections, the looks, the things Adam said...and I still want more! But I do think that Benry and all the Benry's in Benrytown are not the Others. And Mr. Friendly even said to Sawyer that the "bears figured it out in 2 hours." So I stand firm that the people in Benrytown are from the DI, remember that if they were doing life extension expirements that they could all look young and vibrant even if they have been there since the late 70's. I think that there was a power struggle on the island during the DI and Benry basically won and sent the remaining people out into the jungle as outcasts (Others). That would explain why he was in such a hurry to have Goodwin and Ethan go and blend in and report back to him. He did not want the true others getting the "good ones." I wonder, if my theory holds water, if the true others are led by the Degroots????? Much to ponder!!!
wv: tgerk Tiger, k?
Maybe Jack could be physically abusive (and his paranoia did make him bust up the AA meeting), but extreme neglect is certainly a psycological or mental abuse. I.e., to act as though the whole entire world is more important than your marriage or spouse is certainly the basis for a type of destructive self-centeredness, especially in Jack's case where he thinks the world needs him to save it, and the world can't live without Jack doing so. Uh-oh, maybe he would be a good flunky for TWM's Spider Protocal?!
Ox: no vacuum, just gravity-driven! :-) It's not powered by anything, it's just a humble glass vessel (with a nice wooden "belt" around it tied with a piece of leather cord). I finally got one for myself. It's also good for taking to dinners or parties where the hosts don't drink coffee, so they don't make any for their guests after dinner. Quel rude! I just whip out my little Chemex and help myself. :-p
Good theory Thrasher! Hmmmmmmmm.
hey, everyone!
Last night was so great - I can't wait to watch it again!
I know this has been said already, but the book from the Book CLub was definately Carrie - one of the guys had a paperback version with a red and white image, and I recognized the cover. I have to say that's pretty interesting - Juliet's favorite book is about a young girl with telekinetic powers. More interesting is the fact that Benry strongly objects to that kind of book.
This episode also made me question my belief that the Others are the Dharmas. Aside from Tom and the older woman at the Book Club, no one seems old enough to have been from the original group. I agree that everyone snapped into action when the plane crashed - perhaps this sort of things has happened before, and most of the folks in Othertown are actually survivors of other crashes.
i just took the stephen king as a little tip of the cap from tptb to king, an admitted huge lost fan.
Hey all,
Some great topics going here. I love it!! I posted this late last night in the other room. Wanted to get some feedback.
Did anyone else see the theme of tension between Ben & Juliett. I think we are being setup for later epi's to see Ben and Juliett disagree to the point where one of the following items might occur:
Juliett leaves the camp.
Juliett falls in love with Jack and switches sides. Her name is Juliett after all.
Help the captured Losties escape
Revolt against Ben's leadership
Here's my basis what I saw:
Juliett doesn't seem happy on the island or with the way things are going. At the opening scene of the epi, she is crying and playing music to remind her of something and make her happy.
Right before the crash when the house begins shaking, Juliett is scolding a member of the book club who disagreed with the book choice and implied Ben would not stoop as low as too come. Juliett is in the middle of saying "Here I am thinking that free will still acutally exists on this...." and then the house shakes. When then find out Ben = Henry. Ben also seemed bummed to be booted out of book club. (theme being she is leading a group without him)
There is also a mean exchange of looks between Juliett and Ben when Jack has Juliett hostage. Jack says to open the door or she dies, and Ben says if he opens the door she dies anyway. Juliett gives Ben of look of shock, and then Ben locks her in the room.
At the end of the episode, Ben commends Juliett for her work. She replied quite rudely thanks.
The "others" are supposed to be good people. When Jack floods the hatch, Ben locks Juliet in with Jack to drown or survive. (I'm sure he new they'd survive. I don't think they are under water. Juliett was on land to catch Sawyer way too fast.)
Anyway, I just wondered if Juliett questions Ben's goodness and his actions as a leader. Or it could all be a setup
RyaNDrumZ said...Do we actually even know if the pilot was killed? Maybe the monster just took him away to bring him back to his people across the island...
Yes. In the "Pilot" episode (ironic title), Kate and Charlie get seperated from Jack when running from the monster. Then she finds the airplane wings on the ground, and sees the pilot's body up in the trees. If he wasn't dead, he wasted a lot of Dharma ketchup!
Juliet is pregnant. There are no children in the others village. Why would an expecting mother (Juliet) be upset (at the beginning of the episode) in a childless village? WHERE are the CHILDREN ?
diggitydirge,
After reading all the comments, I'm thinking that both ideas may true--it (the way the failed escape attempt) was a setup AND Juliet disapproves of Benry's tactics.
I totally agree about the tension between Juliet and Benry.
If the Others are really a couple of Dharmas, who have then collected survivors of other disasters, maybe Juliet is a recent arrival. She's accepted her home in their village, but she's not happy about it.
When she was playing the song "Downtown," it seemed to really mean something to her - I got the impression that she was feeling a little nostalgic, maybe because there is not Downtown for her to go to anymore.
Also, on the topic of Kate/Jack/Sawyer - does anyone think that Kate's going to be asked to choose - not who she's going to be with, but who the Others will set free? That would be the harder choice. Then, if she decided to set Sawyer free, Sawyer would feel abandoned because she's staying behind with Jack and sending him out on his own, and Jack would be disappointed because she left him in captivity.
DiggityDirge said...
don't think they are under water. Juliett was on land to catch Sawyer way too fast.
I think you're right, they are not under water. juliett said it was used to be used for dolphins. think of the big tanks at sea world that hold dolphins, whales, etc. I think jack is in an examination room attached to the tank. I imagine it is very close to where kate and sawyer are being held.
Dennis, Thanks for clearing that up, The pilots body was in the trees. But now this, how do we know it was the pilot? I'm at work so I can't really tell you, but it could just be the co-pilot that was thrown out or another passenger in the trees and they just thougt it was the pilot who just got killed.
We need to find out or get a shot of the body in the trees...
Re: Kelvin and the button
Kelvin was DI. The inhabitants of Benrytown (Benrites? Benrians? Bennese?) are familiar with DI, but may not have known about the button when the plane crashed, but Benry did spend a bit of time in the hatch as a prisoner and likely input the numbers himself when Locke was trapped under the map door. So he knew when he came back to the camp that someone had been manning the button.
And why were the Bennese experimenting on the bears? If DI went under a while ago (as evidenced by the disrepair, rust, etc.) what were the Bennites doing fairly recently (ie, the polar bear)?
I finally got caught up with all the comments since yesterday. Here are a few thoughts although some of these are a little late...
capcom said... I wonder if we will see that jack eventually had regrets for not saving Shannon's father by blowing off his condition as too far gone, realizing it later. Say, he realizes that he actually picked Sara to save, just because she was a pretty female, or something to that effect. Maybe that's Jack's deep seated nagging conscience problem. Just a guess.
Jack didn't save Shannon's father because he was a drunk driver. I doubt he has any regrets, considering the miraculous outcome of Sarah surgery.
mountain girl said... i thought this episode was supposed to explain Jack's tattoos. still no info on that, huh?
I updated Lostpedia recently about one of Jack's tattoos. I think the "5" with the "compass/clock" marks represents how Jack conqured his fear by letting it in for 5 seconds. (from the "Pilot").
The Chinese symobls translate to "Hawk in the expansive sky" or "Eagles high up cleaving the sky". Maybe it's "Fly Like An Eagle" and he's a big Steve Miller Band fan.
DiggityDirge said... Here's my predictions ... Danielle will be revealed as one of the "others." Just seems so strange to me she has never found the others village, and always has the illusion of being an island desolate like the other costumes.
Nope, she's just crazy. From the overhead shot of the island, it seems like a pretty big island.
blueheron13 said...I can now accept that the tummult resulting from Desmond not pushing the button caused the plane to break up, but what I'm still wondering is what caused the plane to lose its instruments and turn around (back toward Fiji) about two hours before the crash?
If the plane flew over the electromagnetically-enhanced island on the way to LA, the controls could have went out, then when they turned around, they flew over the island again and got hit by the EMP.
I think that Jack may be under water, but in an aquarium setting there at the zoological facility, and not out in the ocean. But you might be right...
Yep. Kind of like Sea World. It looks like the room they would have used to tattoo the sharks.
FYSB - The polar bears/sharks are all running around the island/the ocean. Were these animals trained to be some type of security mechanism, as well as the smoke too. They had the cages, they had the aquariums to hold these creatures inside captive. After training them and were done with everything, they let them go so they can use them to secure their island. Or the sharks and bears excaped. Or they wanted to see how these animals react in the environment without being caged and are now observing them as they roam around...I don't know, just trying to speculate.
Dennis said... Nope, she's just crazy. From the overhead shot of the island, it seems like a pretty big island.
I agree it looked big. But according to Ben/Henry, Goodwin could get to the tail section in a hour if he runs. Unless Goodwin is a marathon runner, the tail was within 8 to 10 miles of the village. (using a 7 minute mile as an average, which is normal for someone who isn't a pro runner)
And we know the fuselage was a "two day hike" from the tail section.
I guess my point with Danielle is if she has been on the island as long as she said she has, at some point wouldn't you explore as much of it as possible to gain intelligence about what is going on?
diggity, i assumed goodwin would be using the pala ferry motorboat. looked to me like one section landed across a semicircular bay from othertown. wouldn't have been a very long walk, but a short boat trip. ditch it while still out of sight and swim to shore, maybe?
hbas: from one of the covers (of a paperback) in the episode, the book appeared to be Carrie.
JGZ350 said...
1. Ethan indicated it was a 'work in progress' as far as getting the plumbing fixed. So, is it safe to say Ethan is with Juliet? It would seem that way, hence the tension between Juliet and Ben.
I took that to mean he is not a very good plumber. I doubt the DI was made up of a bunch of scientists and one good plumber. If they we "together", wouldn't he be at the book club (instead of Ben)?
3. What's up with the grilled cheese sandwich? Maybe a clue?
Maybe a shout-out to Javier Grillo-Marxuach (Javi Grilled-Cheese?)
oxillini said...
diggity, i assumed goodwin would be using the pala ferry motorboat. looked to me like one section landed across a semicircular bay from othertown. wouldn't have been a very long walk, but a short boat trip. ditch it while still out of sight and swim to shore, maybe?
And I quote Henry from about 3 mins into the epi,
"Ben: Goodwin
Goodwin runs over
Ben: Did you see where the tail landed.
Goodwin: probably in the water
Ben:If you run you can make that shore in an hour."
Couldn't have been more than ten miles. Not to mention that Goodwin showed up on the beach completely dry and away from the water. Ana Lucia called him on it before she killed him.
JGZ350 said...
2. Did we see Cindy or someone similiar to her in Othertown when they went out to look at flight 815?
That would be a tough one to explain, since Cindy would have to be on the ground and in the plane at the same time.
I've noticed several people have mentioned this, but it was weird there were no children in the other village. The must keep the kids somehwere else.
diggity: good call. i stand corrected. that's what i love about airing out theories at tlec, oops tlc.
DiggityDirge said...
Couldn't have been more than ten miles.
Ten miles is a long way to go on foot through unfamiliar jungle. It's not beyond the realm to think that Rousseau might have missed Othertown on her trips around the island -- particularly if they wanted her to miss it!
However, it seems Goodwin covered the distance in a lot less than an hour. Ana Lucia estimated that she had been out of the water ten minutes when she met him.
perhaps the children are held in another building. a testing center.
RyaNDrumZ said...
We need to find out or get a shot of the body in the trees...
Here you go:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pos=-14305
My theory is that the children have already been transported off of the island and back to civilization where they will be well looked after.
Why do I think that?
"We're the good guys."
Maybe there are underground passage ways connecting the hatches (rememeber the blast door map), and Goodwin ran through one of those.
Benry had no compelling reason to be nice to Kate by giving her a dress and breakfast, the guy's a sociopath and always has something up his sleeve.
My guess? He had a fancy breakfast with Kate to make Juliet mad.
Oh and what happened to the children? Two words...fish biscuits.
I agree with you melissa_lossa and diggity re: Ben and Juliet. We're definitely being set up I think for a showdown of sorts or some major repercussion from their tension. (What if we have a double love triange- Sawyer-Kate-Jack, Jack-Juliet-Ben?)
Melissa_lossa- I'm also with you that Kate is going to have to choose to let either Sawyer or Jack go, or some other painful type of choice between them. Remember, DL/CC said that by the end of the 6 firt epis Kate would choose either Jack or Sawyer, and everyone assumed they were talking romantically, but I'm beginning to think that may not have been what they meant. Although, if she does choose to let one go, I guess that would indicate her romantic choice. Nevertheless, I think they are going to put Kate in a situation where she has to choose the fate of Jack and Sawyer.
The fact that there are no kids reminds me of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and the creepy guy in black that goes around collecting them. Maybe the kids are being kept somewhee secret like in CCBB.
Ox, Blue & Enginner,
This is what makes this site awesome. Thanks for the comments.
I never rule anything out in the world of lost, so there maybe underground passageways between hatches. It seems to me the others move from hatch, or place to place outside. The med station and this one. Anything is possible.
I'm starting to feel like Fenris- by the time I type out my comment, 50 others have been posted! Yikes I can't keep up-
Well, I don't think Kate had that breakfast. She cam back to join Sawyer in the cages with her wrists all slashed. Then she was so hungry that she ate the fish biscuit. Something went down on that beach with Benry and Kate...and I don't think Kate ever got to eating that breakfast after all...
Dennis - Thanks man for all the pics. That guy in the tree...His face seems to mangled to actually say that's him. This is just going back to Engineer27's theory the reason why the plane veered so off course. The pilot was an other...
fish bicuits are people! they're made of people!
I was catching up some comments from last night. I don't remeber who said, but I agree Sawyer and Jack are being held in close proximity to one another. It looks like a water tube or pool outside of Sawyer's cage. Juliett also pops up from the aquerium very quickly to taser Sawyer after the escape.
Whoever said it, good call.
Dreamcatcher, Carrie, Hearts in Atlantis, The Stand...
Maybe each member of the book club was reading a different Stephen King book and that's why there was so much disagreement at the beginning- no one knew what the other one was talking about! :) hehe
Blueheron13 said...
Maybe there are underground passage ways connecting the hatches (rememeber the blast door map), and Goodwin ran through one of those.
Exactly!!! Dead on!!!! Check out the map here
FYSB said...
Oh and what happened to the children? Two words...fish biscuits.
ROFLMAOWNEMB!!!!!!!! Glad you can still dish out the funny stuff!!!
blueheron13 -- spot on, underground passageways, yes!
Explains so much -- how they are able to get around so quickly, to come and go seemingly out of nowhere.
What else lurks down in those caverns? (buwah-ha-ha-ha)
Yes, good to see you fysb6.022e+23
I responded to one of your posts above -- I think it was about "Downtown". Thanks for thinking of me.
Well... The American Express Lost page just updated, but they only updated the text to say "Come Back Thursday" instead of "Come Back Tomorrow"
LOST AND FOUND: FLASHBACKS, INTUITION, AND CARDMEMBER-ONLY REVELATIONS
Come back Thursday for free, exclusive insights into last night's episode of Lost, including possible hidden messages, pictures or video.
No content yet... :(
Dennis said...
No content yet... :(
It's like having a glyph code that hasn't been released yet!
Well that is a complete bummer!!! You would think they would have learned about our obbsession for Lost from the ARG!!!
engineer27 said...
It's like having a glyph code that hasn't been released yet!
No wonder I didn't flinch at that. I've been conditioned for this type of hurry up and wait situation.
thrasher --
Unfortunately, they didn't pick Sprite or Jeep or Verizon or Monster to sponsor the Lost and Found content. Amex has to learn the lesson all over again the hard way.
We'll teach 'em right quick. And let them know they don't have enough server bandwidth, too!
couldn't jack be underwater without being under the ocean? perhaps a basement level in the aquarium or a sealed room at the bottom of a huge tank?
scoutpost has discovered the true purpose behind The Lost Experience!
who wants to bet the amex lost revelations will be............
they're not in purgatory!
It seems that Jack made the underwater connection only after he heard the whale calls, not when he nearly drowned after opening the hatch.
The aquarium would have to be pretty huge to hold the size whales that make those sounds.
Of course, the sounds could just be a recording being played to make Jack think that he is actually under the ocean, not just under a big holding tank.
(And by the way, I am trying to set a record for the most comments with italics...)
engineer: i don't remember whale sounds, i'll have to go rewatch tonight. but aren't most whales fans of deep water? they are definitely not deep underwater. otherwise, opeing that door would have filled that space almost instantly. a hole the size of a finger can sink a submarine if operating at depth.
oxillini said...
who wants to bet the amex lost revelations will be............
they're not in purgatory!
OR....
don't forget to drink your Ovaltine!
My SIL just sent me this article from MSNBC- this person has no clue.
MSNBC article on LOST
okay, I just finished watching last night's epi for the 3rd time and in the last scene, julia say "thank you red" NOT "Ben." I'm sure of it. I played it over and over, there is no way her lips formed the "B" sound. So maybe benri is still not who we think.
i'm with ular. i didn't hear no steenkin whales!
engineer27 said...
(And by the way, I am trying to set a record for the most comments with italics...)
I don't think we're keeping those types of stats this time! But just in case....I want to be the one who uses these.....most. :)
Speaking of stats...where's Belly? Are you lurking today during work?
all hail scoutpost, queen of the dots of ellipsis! empress of unusual punctuation!
OK...Now AMEX is just messing with me!
They just updated the site again...and changed it from "Come Back Thursday" to "Come back later today".
Thanks Ox- Finally a title I'm worthy of!
Dennis said...
OK...Now AMEX is just messing with me!
They just updated the site again...and changed it from "Come Back Thursday" to "Come back later today".
Of course, in true ARG fashion.
dennis, perhaps dj dan is scheduling things at amex now?
uh oh....
American Express is pleased to announce its new partnership with Lost. In order to deliver TIMELY insights into just-aired episodes of the wildly popular show, AmEx has expanded its New Media Department with the hiring of 5 new interns, fresh off an amazingly successful rotation at the cutting edge Lost Experience ARGhh. Quotes one new intern "OMG!! I got an American Express Gold Card and a basket of fish biscuits!! I'm going to the mall!!"
yes, i made that up, but c'mon, we're all thinking it...
Ular98.........do not challenge me in the use of .......!
tlcm said...
okay, I just finished watching last night's epi for the 3rd time and in the last scene, julia say "thank you red" NOT "Ben." I'm sure of it. I played it over and over, there is no way her lips formed the "B" sound. So maybe benri is still not who we think.
Yeah, and Jack heard his dad in the speaker. Maybe you're dehydrated? :) JK
What does the Closed-Captioning say?
curse you interns! just saw this at the amex lost site.
HEY, THIS IS RACHEL. I'VE PUT UP A SITE AT AMERICAN EXPRESS. WHEN ENOUGH PEOPLE HAVE ENOUGH CREDIT CARD DEBT, I'LL RELEASE A VIDEO OF DAMON AND JAVI KISSING. SO GET OUT THERE AND SPEND! BUY SOME APOLLO CHOCOLATE!
Tlcm: Definetly says "thank you Ben". Just rewatched again.
Whales?? Can I have some of what you were smoking while watching last night j/k.
Aren't the sounds they hear a pump emptying the water out of the station?
engineer27 said... (And by the way, I am trying to set a record for the most comments with italics...)
engineer27, you take Italics
scoutpost... you take ellipsis...
RACHEL BLAKE HAS ALL CAPS
I guess I'll take bold
dennis, can i have dibs on all lowercase?
After watching the epi 6 times between last night and today (I'm sure they'll be more), there are 3 glaring themes I can see:
Juliett vs Ben - Tension between them that I discussed in previous post.
Breaking Jack: The others really seemed to use their time to break him of his stubborness, eliminating the illusion Jack has some control but not telling the others about himself, talking about his wife and father in the file scene, and that Jack has to eat and accept the others offer for food. Even giving him little info of his surroundings and other captured friends. In the end Jack crys and Ben congratulates Juliett on breaking him. I see Sawyer & Kate playing into this down the road.
Jack causing his dad's relapse: I found it interesting that Jack's dad had been sober for 50 days. (a huge step for a recovering alcoholic) It seemed his father was finding help thru his AA group and making peace with his addiction. Then Jack comes in, raises hell, slams the group leader, hurts his dads feelings, and then get in a fight with his dad.
If I am thinking correctly, at this point Jack has already reported his dad to the medical board and Jack's dad was loosing his license (but why was he still in the hospital as a doctor??) and Jack's relationship with his dad was faltering.
Did his father attempt to take the correct steps to resolve his addiction and the relationship, and Jack pushed him back into darkness by not beleiving his dad about Sarah. Did he try to be a good dad again by helping with the Sarah situation? Didn't Jack's dad make the comment to Sawyer or Ana Lucia, that his son could never forgive him.
Anyway, found it intersting Sarah finsished by saying Jack always needs something to fix. Same thing she said to him last season when she told him she wanted a divorce.
nisha - I noticed Jack's tattoo as well. I'd never seen it before, but it looked like black or blue stars that wrap around under his arm.
Also, on the underground tunnel discussion - the blast door map mentioned a subterranean tunnel network. Kelvin believed that it terminated at the Arrow station. Maybe that's how everyone gets around.
oxillini said... dennis, can i have dibs on all lowercase?
Sure!
Now who wants links?
I remember hearing the distant, alomost groaning type sounds some of you are talking about and thinking "Are those whales?" But I immediately dismissed the thought.
Doh! I posted all my thoughts on the previous thread and then it ended! Oh well. What does everyone think was the scariest part of the episode? My vote is for what happened to Kate. That dress was shocking and terrifying for what it could have stood for (and may still stand for). None of the others was made as vulnerable as she was. And we don't know what happened to her that we didn't see that caused the cuffs to chafe her wrists so. She's so much safer in the cage than if they had given her a nice room. Jack was also afraid but his troubles were largely of his own making so far and Sawyer has a fun puzzle to solve so they had it easy compared with her.
Here is a screenshot of Jack "stars" tattoo:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=74978&fullsize=1
It looks like there is a lot more there in his "elbow pit", but I can't make out what it is...
Matthew Fox has had that tattoo forever, guys. It's not really part of the show, per se, though Sawyer and Jack had a discussion about where Jack "got his ink" Thailand, wasn't it? They worked it in.
elbow pit= antecubital
Remember from career day- I used to be a nurse.
wv=hivmut- my dog has AIDS how sad.
I agree, twinkle - there was something so disquieting about that breakfast with Ben. And you're right, something had to happen that caused those marks on her wrists. She seemed so terrified when they brought her to that cage.
never been arrested, and the girlfriend isn't into bondage, so hears the question.
If you get arrested or detained and they cuff you, don't cuffs mark up your wrists. I never thought more of the marks on Kates wrists then just usual marks left by cuffs.
I don't know, diggity - to me, it looked like the cuffs had really dub into her wrists and rubebd them raw. I don't think that just wearing them for a short amount of time would do that much damage. She didn't really seem to have any marks from her cuffs in the pilot, and she was wearing them a lot longer then.
that of course would be DUG into her wrists and RUBBED them raw. Yikes!
annvatty said...
has anyone been to the lost gallery on abc.com for the new episode and checked out picture 33/45?
Is that the one with the little girl in it?
annvatty said...
who is that girl?
someone in the abc.com forums said it was a scene that got cut from the epi. The girl is supposed to be the little girl from Jack's flashback to Sara teachin school. I guess it was supposed to be a hallucination according to the poster.
we may have to wait for the lost season 3 dvd to find out.
Her wrists were bloody. I don't know. Seemed like the skipped showing us something.
I don't have the screenshots to prove it but if the underwater hatch is the Hydra then the Dharma symbol shown around the island (don't remember if Kate passed it or if it's between Sawyer's cage and the "dormitory" building near him or both) looked like a hydra. At the beginning of the last thread there was a lot of discussion about what that Dharma symbol was, all tentically. Looks like that's Lostpedia's take on it too.
That means that Sawyer and Kate are being held near Jack and it's reasonable that Juliet went through a tunnel back to the island where she stumbled upon Sawyer. It's also possible that there was a time gap.
So about that dormitory-looking building, did anyone get a good look at it? What was it?
oxillini said...
curse you interns! just saw this at the amex lost site.
HEY, THIS IS RACHEL. I'VE PUT UP A SITE AT AMERICAN EXPRESS. WHEN ENOUGH PEOPLE HAVE ENOUGH CREDIT CARD DEBT, I'LL RELEASE A VIDEO OF DAMON AND JAVI KISSING. SO GET OUT THERE AND SPEND! BUY SOME APOLLO CHOCOLATE!
I already have enough debt that she should just release it in 108, 10 second clip format and make us "hunt" for them!!!
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