This is a "lag alleviation" post for "The Glass Ballerina". So much great conversation resulted in the previous thread, we had to start a new one! While you discuss, you may be interested in viewing screen caps from the episode or checking out this Entertainment Weekly article by Christine Fenno. Have fun!
Friday, October 13, 2006
THE GLASS BALLERINA - SEASON 3, EPISODE 2 (POST 2)
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I am re-posting b/c I got the last on on the last threas soooo.
I am going to post even though there will most likely be a lag post soon!
1. Getting caught up...Hanso Adoptions-LOLOLOLOLOL:)
2. Megan said--Juliet/Ben/Others: I think Ben is "him". I think Juliet is/was his equal, and i think they had a relationship OR are brother and sister.
I agree with the siblings idea. I have had that half-formed since Wednesday, but haven't had time to really think on it. Definately seems to be something like a sibling relationship though.
3. "Chain-gang looks good on you Freckles"....awesome!:)
and First:P
Did the official Lost Podcast come late for everyone or was it just me?
The Podcast did come out late! Usually it comes out the day before the episode airs. THis new one came out hours before.
good morning... just stopping by to catch up on the comments.
Hi Guys
Just popping in as I have been / am really busy.
KvonhardWith regards to ABC.Com, from the UK we get the same site but we are unable to watch /download any video content as it blocks IP addresses from outside the US. We do not get ABC in the UK, Lost is broadcast by Channel 4. I know there is at least one ABC channel I get (I get around 300-400 TV Channels through Sky) but it seems to be just old reruns and certainly no Lost.
To be honest even if I could download Lost from ABC or iTunes in the UK, I would still Bit Torrent it as it is better quality.
I'm going to save some stuff for the podcast but I'm still not convinced that The Others are bad guys.
I'm not surprised by their reaction to the Losties - bear in mind that the Losties have killed Ethan, Goodwin and possibly Collen as well as three other Others whose names we do not know, they tortured poor old Benry . And don't forget that Sawyer, Kate, Sayid, Michael, Eko and Anna Lucia are/were all killers, Charlie is a Heroin Addict, Jin hired muscle, Hurley and mental patient, Sun a compulsive liar... No wonder a nice girl like Juliette wants nothing to do with them.
Good Morning Everyone!
Good Morning Dennis
Good morning!
I'm listening to the official podcast and it was said that Carl is NOT a plant. We should find out why he is a prisoner by the 6th episode.
...and there are other others in other places.
Hi Cattygirl
Well that blows some of my theories out of the water.
I wonder if the other Others are working with or against the Benry Others?
(All these others are getting confusing)
Or Maybe Carl and Alex were going to elope and run off to the other Others camp but poor old Carl got caught.
Hey,
anyone thing Ben could be Alex's father? Or maybe Tom?
Hey Sara,
Just had a look at your Blog -very cool - liked your observations of London. Glad you like our little city :)
Anybody remember the 1937 classic film "Lost Horizon"? Survivors from a plane that crash lands in the Himalayas, are rescued by the people of the mysterious, Eden-like valley of Shangri-la. The people of Shangri-la cannot leave because the valley prevents them from aging...they appear young but are hundreds of years old. When the survivors leave, the one that goes with them instantly ages as soon as she is beyond the boundry of Shangri-la. What if the Lost Island has the same kind of thing going on... if the Others leave the Island, something bad will happen that would be fatal or make them revert to a sick or debilitated state?
Mmn Maybe when TPTB said that the Losties were not dead what they missed out was that they will however be dead if they leave the island - Oh dear poor Michael and Walt....
Mind you Desmond seemed OK but that maybe because he's Scottish :P (DA gives away his origins!)
static13 said... "You never made soup for me." I have a different thought on when Ben made that comment to Juliet. Everyone's thinking that Ben and Juliet had a relationship together, which they may have had, but I think there's more to it. This sort of goes along with the Juliet is "Him" theory.
Ange said...Megan said--Juliet/Ben/Others: I think Ben is "him". I think Juliet is/was his equal, and i think they had a relationship OR are brother and sister. I agree with the siblings idea. I have had that half-formed since Wednesday, but haven't had tome to really think on it. Definately seems to be something like a sibling relationship though.
I think Ben is "Him". I think the show is tying to make that abundandtly clear. Colleen reported to Ben. Ben decided what needed to be done. Ben wants the boat. Juliet "broke" Jack, but Ben dropped the bombshell on him. Ben sits in the control room and watches everyone.
As far as the relationship between Ben and Juliet, I think there were romantically involved until recently and the other Others know all about it. When Colleen comes down to report about the boat, she ask "Am I interupting something?". It seemed she didn't want to get in the middle of a personal conversation and/or fight. When Ben says "You never made soup for me", he sounds jealous and a little hurt. Same thing when he say "So I guess I'm out of the book club" ... meaning that now that they are not dating he's not in the book club.
All of those thing would be way too creepy if they were brother and sister. Even for creepy Ben.
Dark Angel said...anyone thing Ben could be Alex's father? Or maybe Tom?
I thought Rousseau killed Alex's father when the sickness came.
Dennis Said:
I thought Rousseau killed Alex's father when the sickness came.
Thats what she said but then as I said in the podcast I think Rousseau is a plant so that may be just a cover.
Sara said...Carl's NOT a plant? ... Maybe Carl was one of them, then did something wrong? Or, maybe as a prisoner he was forced to be part of the fake camp?
Dark Angel said...Or Maybe Carl and Alex were going to elope and run off to the other Others camp but poor old Carl got caught.
First, it's Karl with a K - according to the AMEX site
I was pretty sure Karl wasn't a plant after Alex came looking for him. I think that Karl was an other that got into trouble with Alex for some reason. It looks like Alex managed to escape, but Karl got caught.
An interesting question now would be: Where did Karl orignially come from? Is he a child of the others? Or was he one of the tailies that was abducted in the first night, and has been brainwashed like Alex. Maybe that's why Alex and him were friends. And what were they doing to get in trouble? Were they trying to leave the island, or maybe help the Lostaways?
Anaother thing I'm thinking is that the others didn't "let" Sawyer try to escape, as a plan to let him know that he will be caught. I think he did actually escape, with the help of Karl, and would have got away if it wasn't for the "deer in the headlights" moment with Juliet.
Dark Angel said... Thats what she said but then as I said in the podcast I think Rousseau is a plant so that may be just a cover.
Well, that's a very deep rabbit hole.
I think's she's just crazy. They didn't know about Desmond and the boat, it's conceivable that they didn't know about Rousseau.
Well they must have had some knowledge as they have Alex and I still think 16 years is a long time to go undetected even for a crazy French Woman.
Anyhow It's time for me to go home and record my bit for the podcast :)
Have a good weekend all
be back sooon
Namaste
DA
Hmmm....if the Others didn't know about Desmond, did they know about Kelvin? Surely they must have, since Benry insinuated to Locke the button was a joke. But Benry hasn't shown any curiosity as to why the Losties were there pushing the button and Kelvin was no where to be found.
Hi everyone.
I finally got caught up with all the comments. I ended up watching those crazy Detroit Tigers on Lost Day, so I didn't get to see the show until yesterday. (Anyone else here a long-suffering Tigers' fan?)
I'll try to think of some new comments/questions to add to the discussion, but you guys hit just about everything that I was going to say.
Also, I apologize for posting too much summary information from the last ABC podcast. I can see now that that type of info is too spoilerish for this blog.
--Blue Heron
I'm just at a loss to X-plain how Benry could be clueless about goings-on at the swan, when he obviously has camera access to every other Dharma station -- and we know the Swan had the same type of camera.
Oh, and Hi everyone.
I have to belive that Benry knew everything that was going on in the Swan. I believe he knew about both Kelvin and Desmond being there, and he probably could hear all of their conversations too. He probably knows about Radzinsky's suicide (or whatever in fact did happen to Radzinsky). I bet he even new that Kelvin was exploring and mapping the island.
Even if this is true, though, Kelvin may have been covert enough in his boat-building operation that the Others never discovered the refurbished vessel. For all Ben and the Others do know, they might have believed that Desmond's boat WAS completely wrecked when Des arrived on the island.
Yes Engineer27! And, if we see who amongst the Others is a smoker, we may know who was sitting in the Pearl/"?" station smoking and watching the cameras. Have we seen an Other smoking yet? And how could they not know about Desmond? Although, if they didn't know about Des' boat, they would have to be wondering how the heck Des got on the island, when they saw him all of a sudden living with Inman in the Swan station.
kvonhard,
Along your line of thought:
I'm guessing that the younger Others are children of the original Dharma Initiative participants (and that the older Others are likely the originals themselves). But yet there are no children to be found so far, and the Others are fixated on the children from the plane.
So maybe it's like you're saying - there is some sort of imposed rule about celibacy. Or, maybe one of the incdients referred to on the Blast Door caused infertility?
I think they knew that Desmond was shipwrecked - the operative word being shipwrecked. They thought, as did Desmond, that the boat had been destroyed.
Kelvin, was hiding the fact that the boat was o.k. from Desmond, so the others didn't know either. The others obviously don't have cameras all over the island. and never went to that cove that Kelvin had hid the boat away at.
Blueheron, just saw your post. That is true, the Others could have wrongly assumed that Des' boat was wrecked and therefore were shocked as to how the Lostaway's acquired any vessel.
Even if they did deploy to Desmond's wreck, as they did the plane's, they might not have known it could be there until they saw Des with Inman in the station, since Desmond's wreck was not as noticable in the storm as a plane coming down (and there was [presumably] no magnetic anomoly attached to it). Which was maybe too late, as by then Inman may have already have hidden the boat in the cove from the "hostiles".
Dark Angel said... Well they must have had some knowledge as they have Alex and I still think 16 years is a long time to go undetected even for a crazy French Woman.
Yeah, I forgot about them taking Alex. Which would sort of prove that Rousseau is not an other, or she wouldn't need to "find" Alex.
Speaking of Rousseau, I wonder if the boat that the Others gave to Michael and Walt was orginally Rousseau's boat from when she crashed ashore?
Hi engineer27!
Here are a couple of things that popped into mind about the rock chopping labor camp:
1. This season, Danny Pickett (or whatever his name is) is acting like an unintelligent jerk, like an angry buffoon. In Season 2, he seemed a little more intelligent - he at least knew how to draw blood from Michael. So I'm wondering, is his new attitude just some play-acting, or is really just a stupid jerk?
2. In the scenes at the labor camp, did we ever get clear screen shots of anyone there besides Tom Friendly, Danny Pickett, Juilet, Colleen, Alex, and Sawyer/Kate? It seemed to me at the time that unlike at the book club, we were intentionally kept from seeing the other people there.
Noble,
Right - those are just the same lines I was thinking along.
Capcom,
Yes I think Kelvin was clever and strong enough to conceal the wreckage before an Other party could discover it.
kvonhard,
Yeah, it's bugging me too. And it may not just be in the male/female interactions. As many here have noted, a lot of the interactions involving the Others have some sort of artificial feel to them.
I guess we'll learn more later.
kvonhard: I'm right there with you. There is some sexual/partner wierdness going on with the others. (BTW, I just watched the episode last night, I haven't searched the comments for things that have already been said, and I'm short on time so sorry if I repeat.)
Loaded lines (not quoting exactly):
Ben to Juliet - "You never made me soup."
Colleen - "Am I interupting something?"
Juliet - "Would it matter if you were?"
Guy to Colleen - "Take care of yourself" *kiss*
So Ben and Juliet were something once (based on several personal references between the two), but Colleen wants Ben in some way, but she already has a buy? You know what it reminds me of, either some sort of free love communal "marriage" or a wolf pack. Can't the other males mate in the wolf pack but the alpha male gets first choice or first go or something? No real defined pairs but a definite sexual hierarchy?
Why is it that I never see the ending of an episode coming? It takes me by surprise every time. It's like they just get through the story introduction and the momentum gets moving and then wham! LOST
One more thing that struck me from the episode:
I'm wondering why Benry was so keen on obtaining the boat. Maybe he's planning on using the boat as part of his plan to convince Jack to cooperate with the Others. The boat could be given to Jack as his means of conveyance away from the island.
In fact, maybe the Others don't have another boat at the moment now that Michael is gone. No, wait, then how could their party have reached Sun via the water? Unless they emerged from a tunnel?
Aaahh, too much thinking - I'm talking to myself. I better go back to workin' and lurkin'.
I think I'm wrong about how a wolf pack works, but I definitely remember seeing something about an animal that lived in packs and operated that way.
wv: sofya - The next Other who has some kind of history/sexual tension with Ben.
kvonhard said... The Others - Juliette/Benry, Collen/whatshisname - did you ever notice that, to the extent that these people are/were romantically involved, their body language is extremely stilted? Colleen seems to be repulsed by the kiss from her man in their scene together ... This led me to wonder about the Others and sex. They seem to have issues with physical intimacy, to me. ... I was almost wondering if they're celibate b/c that would allow them to remain "pure".
This might be more appropriate for TSoL, but...
This reminds me of the Shakers. The Shakers believed in Men and Women being equal and had Men and Women leaders who were equal in power. However, they also believed in celebacy, so they relied on adoption or new members to grow thier ranks.
However I don't think Colleen was repulsed by the kiss. I just think she didn't was to kiss in front of everyone, especially the "prisoners".
Twinkle,
I also never saw that end coming, with the offer to Jack and the mention of the Red Sox. As a side note, I'm surprised they even put a copy of a Fox broadcast on ABC, complete with the play-by-play commentary.
The whole ending sequence, beginning with Ben watching the TV monitors, then having that up-close-and-personal chat with Jack, that was just riveting stuff to me. I thoroughly enjoyed this episode.
Dennis: Seemed to me that was a woman who didn't want to be with the man she was officially with and humored him when he kissed her.
Anybody listen to the official podcast for this episode? Did it reveal or imply anything significant?
I briefly caught a conversation yesterday about whether Sun was in Jae's hotel room after Jin. Did the podcast shed any light on that? Personally I think he jumped, but it could easily be something else.
kvonhard: Did you see my post yesterday about having friends to talk about Lost with? I can't believe you get to play cards and talk about Lost at the same time! Lucky you!
blueheron: What happened to me what that I stopped in and caught a bit of what happened in the episode - Alex was looking for Karl? Sun has an affair? And then I think, "I can't wait to watch this episode and find out more about that!" Only there isn't more to find out. That's all there is. Ugh! Maybe I have to stop checking the blog before I watch the episode. But by the time I get here all the good conversation is over. Oh well, weekend watchers, UNITE! :-D
Oh Dennis! You said just exactly what I was thinking...
This reminds me of the Shakers. The Shakers believed in Men and Women being equal and had Men and Women leaders who were equal in power. However, they also believed in celibacy, so they relied on adoption or new members to grow their ranks.
Every closed society needs a shot of new DNA now and again or bad things start to happen. Think about the European monarchies. And that is what I think they did and or threatened my Kate with....
YO ITS TIME TO GET DIS PARTY STARTED! CAM IS HERE soo wat r we talkin bout?
kvon: Thanks, I feel better. :-) LOL I'm too bad of a liar for poker.
About the Others personal relationships, it also reminds me of camp. The teenagers pair off for a while and then mix it up every so often. Emotions run high. It's Jerry Springer in small scale. But when you live in such a small community you have to put the nice face on anyway. Anybody here live(d) in a small town? I bet tensions would run high especially because with the Others there are guns and shockers involved. Small group of people, living in close quarters, long periods of contanct without outsiders, switching up partners, alliances forming based on power and position, can you imagine the gossip!? Wait, now the Others are sounding like Survivor or Big Brother!
I think it's much more likely that their sexual activity isn't held in check like the Shakers or the Puritans. But maybe they do need new DNA or adoptions in order to multiply because of whatever "sickness" the vaccine is supposed to protect against or because of the electromagnetism screwing with their ability to reproduce. I liked the EW article suggesting that Ben's "two weeks" statements to Kate were based on her fertility cycle.
Twinkle said...
Loaded lines (not quoting exactly):
Ben to Juliet - "You never made me soup."
Colleen - "Am I interupting something?"
Juliet - "Would it matter if you were?"
Wow. I can't believe I missed the "Would it really matter if you were" line. I've watched the episode several times now. :)
I'm thinking the line would continue as "Would it really matter if you were? It's not like we're dating anymore."
I don't see a Colleen/Ben connection, other than he's the boss.
Dennis: I don't remember the actual line but it seemed to be communicating something like - "Why would it matter to you if we were getting it on?" Juliet totally knows Connie is after Ben in some way. And Connie's reaction to the guy who kissed her confirmed it.
If Ben were the alpha male or a high rank, some would want him just for the social position and power it gave them, a la a wolf pack. This makes Juliet's rejection of him even more interesting.
Dennis,
I don't see a Colleen/Ben connection either. I think she, probably knowing their past, just didn't want to rudely interrupt them if they were having an intense personal conversation. Especially since Ben looks like the kind of person the other Others don't want to make angry.
Hey guys! Time will tell about the Collen/Ben connection. I'm not willing to die for the idea. Just call it a woman's intuition. ;-) If they were real people that's how I'd read them.
About the "great but unforgiving man" comment:
I think the producers have said in the past that originally the actor who plays Ben was originally supposed to just guest star in a few episodes, but they liked the actor's presence and creepiness so much that they decided to keep him on the show.
So my theory is that the producers may have originally had the idea of Ben being a subordinate to HIM, and maybe had some other actor in mind to play HIM, but made a change midstream and scripted Ben to be the leader, to be HIM.
no i c a Julleit/Ben connection
Dennis said... Speaking of Rousseau, I wonder if the boat that the Others gave to Michael and Walt was orginally Rousseau's boat from when she crashed ashore?
I thought Rousseau was on The Black Rock.
I believe the Black Rock was the old sailing ship where they found the dynamite.
I get the sense that Danielle's ship was a more modern research vessel.
Thanks... I def. was mixed up.
mountain girl,
Very true! We've seen nothing on the show that would preclude there being someone to whom Ben answers, someone in the outside world that knows all about everything on the island.
If Ben's offer is valid, is there any chance that Jack actually would take him up on it and leave the island? That would be a twist!
I'm back. I love how this show just keeps bringing up questions. Maybe I'm imagining the Juliet/Ben/Colleen triangle thing?
Also I thought there was a lot of subtext surrounding the Juliet & water/ Sawyer / Kate & kiss thing? Did anybody else catch that?
Hey Twinkle...I don't think you're imagining the tension between Juliet and Colleen. But maybe there's another cause? Perhaps Ben promoted Juliet over Colleen. Or maybe Colleen and Juliet are sisters. Or Juliet won't share her muffin recipe. Or Colleen has to eat the fish biscuits while Juliet gets to eat grill cheese.
fysb: Too funny! Maybe, but it seemed like high school to me. There I go again with *another* analogy for what's going on in the Others. I just think it would be sooo ironic if the scary and mysterious others were really about as mature as teenagers in their personal lives.
About Sawyer, the water, and the kiss-
Sawyer's MO has been to do whatever gives him a leg up. Juliet's offer of water seemed to mean much more to Sawyer to him than just water. I think he normally would have been more physically attracted to Juliet. Then he would have accepted her water and flirted with her in order to gain some advantage with her, maybe make conditions better for him or at least keep the possiblity open that he could con her in the future to his own ends (getting free or whatever). So his pouring out the water meant more than just defiance of the Others. It meant a rejection of the way he usually would have worked things. In that mindset he turns to Kate and sets his lot with her, the underdog. To affirm his rejection of his old MO and his alliance with her, he is moved to kiss her. (Not sure if I'm expressing this clearly?)
It just reminded me as akin to what a spouse does when they see that they could be attracted to someone else but then the go home and choose to passionately kiss their spouse instead. So in the midst of the tale of Sun's unfaithfulness, the writer's juxtapose a tale of newfound faithfulness.
Twinkle, true about small towns, and Othertown ain't no Mayberry RFD!
Dennis, I finished the comment about "would it matter if you did" as, "you always just butt in anyway". Maybe that was just the girl in me talking. :-)
MountainGirl...."The Audition"....ew.
Re: Shakers, celibacy, etc., perhaps the Virus had an unexpected side-effect that has rendered them sterile, so they have to steal children to increase the size of their community for the future.
Q: Was the boat that Mike and Walt took off on the little putt-putt that the Others pulled up in when they took Walt? I'm too lazy right now to go back and check out the stills for that ep, but will later.
Re: Tom Friendly's comment about Kate.....maybe he just likes his women big and tall? He would kind of crush her. :-p
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Ok....so I have to confess that I've only watched the episode once so far. I was going to watch it again last night, but I didn't get around to it. That having been said...I could be wrong but.......
Colleen and the kiss - Ok. So I admit I don't remember everything about this. But I do remember thinking that the set up was highly contrived. It seemed odd to me that they would have a public display of affection at that moment. So many other, more important things to worry about...like sailboats. I agree that Colleen was way stiff during the kiss, and is it me or did the guy say something before it...something like 'come here' or give me a kiss'? I could have been hitting the pipe at that moment but I think he did. That was so not the time for a comment like that, and if they were a couple I doubt he would have said anything. And on top of all of that I really get a dyke feeling from Colleen, but then again I could just be projecting.
Colleen and Juliet exchange - Ok...for me this moment was a strait up alpha bi*#@ moment. Something about the way Ben and Juliet stand, move around, and talk to each other says that at some point they were at least friendly. I still don't think they were ever a couple, at least not for very long (I'd put them into the category of Friends with Benefits), but what ever their relationship was or is Juliet is the alpha female in the group, and Ben the alpha male weather they like it or not. Being the Alpha anything means that at some point someone is going to challenge your position, no matter weather you are well loved in your position or not (take it from someone who knows.) The exchange between Colleen and Juliet as Colleen comes to tell Ben about the sailboat really spoke to a power struggle between the two, from what I saw. It wasn't a direct challenge to Juliet, as a matter of fact it was meant to be polite (had it not been dripping with sarcasm), but the tone, and the way Juliet responded, really reminded me of a pair of female wolves (to continue an analogy already in use) eyeing each other. They aren’t going to attack now, but they have attacked before and they will again, and they both know it.
Ok…So that’s what I think…not that it matters. Again…I’ve only seen the episode once, so this might all change by Monday after I’ve watched it again. And this is all assuming that these actors and actresses are brilliant (which I firmly believe they are, thus allowing me to read body language and facial expressions despite it not being ‘real’) So now…you can all tell me how crazy I am for thinking this. Please.
Sorry...that was way long
Twinkle, I like your theory about the kiss. Deep thoughts!
Capcom said... Was the boat that Mike and Walt took off on the little putt-putt that the Others pulled up in when they took Walt?
Yes, I think so.
Maybe Sawyer's pouring out of the water was his first attempt to get them to come at him. When that didn't work, he tried the kiss tactic. I also wouldn't put it past Sawyer to just be saying, "No thanks, I'll drink my bear water when I get back to the cage." :-p Or, "Your little "good cop" trick is not going to work on me." Who knows, he's so sneaky and always scheming.
I think that we are going to be in pretty bad shope whe this show goes on hiatus for, how many weeks????? Hooboy.
I like ular's thought. Sawyer calculates every move. He poured out the water Juliet offered him to make sure he had her and everyone else's attention. He wanted to start the fight to test them. He had been told that if he and Kate had any contact/communication, he would be shocked. He chose to kiss her because if he's gonna get into a fight, he's going to get something for himself too. Also, a kiss is so off the charts it will guarantee the Others will come running.
So he gets everyone's attention, does something shocking that brings them in to attack and is able to get the measure of each guard. He also gets to make out with Kate. Brilliant.
Capcom, I'm sure we are smart enough to find something to rehash into the ground when the show disappears for 3 months (from mid November to mid February I believe.) And if not………….oh…you’re right. That could get ugly.
Yes Isibell, here's hoping that TPTB will give us a little TLE/TWM/HF internet items to play with while we're in withdrawal. :-)
Twinkle said... Anybody listen to the official podcast for this episode? Did it reveal or imply anything significant?
I just listened to it. There's an interview with Elisabeth Mitchell (Juliet), and the usual Q&A.
The only thing interesting that was revealed IMO, has already been mentioned. I'll repeat it here with my new "IronMan" spoiler font:
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Ohhhh. New game. That could be fun.
Well Locke wouldnt know it was him if he didnt see the person. and what's with all the number crud. Talk in English please.
The hex is funny, but shouldn't the spoiler chat just go over to the message board? Otherwise, people will still respond to the spoiler on here and they may not encode their discussion. Any spoiler discussion seems to alienate those who want to remain spoiler-free.
Just got back!
kvonhard: Wow! A Lost fan, poker playing, gal! Your husband better appreciate how cool you are! Sorry I thought you were a guy!
Just rewatched Ep. 2 in search of some inspiration for something to say on Passafist's podcast and I realized something. An undercurrent of this ep is how other people are punished for your misdeeds. Sawyer got shocked because Kate asked a question. Sayid was going to kidnap 2 others and use one to make the other talk. The one who's not "cooperating" gets someone else punished.
I think the scene at the beginning is much more telling than I originally thought. Sun broke the ballerina and blatantly lied about it to her father. He knew she was lying. He told her he would fire the maid if she stuck with that story. She knew her father would not punish her directly if she fingered the maid, so she did. The maid suffered for Sun's actions. That tells us a lot about the relationship between Sun and her father. And it also tells us that Sun knows good and well what her father has no problem punishing someone else if she messes up.
Flash forward to the affair. Sun knows from the second Daddy walked into the hotel room that Jae is the one that Big Daddy is going to punish.
When Jin comes home and says he "has to deliver a message" and that Big Daddy just "called me son", Sun knows exactly what is going to happen. But she does nothing and ultimately Jae dies. Sun, like us, can't know if it was murder or suicide, but either way, it's at least partially her fault because she does nothing to stop it.
When BigDaddy approaches Sun at Jae's funeral, her first question is not "How dare you have him killed?" but "Are you going to tell Jin?"
I think, even if Sun doesn't have blood on her hands, she at least has it on her conscience.
Now I can't wait to see who Rose off'd...
Hey, guys! Nice post fysb. Have you considered the thought that Sun was in the room when Jin was beating Jae up, and to cover her lie up further, she pushed him off the balcony?
Hi there Frogurt...I'm so happy the panda is back!
Good question about whether Sun was in the room. Honestly, I don't think she was. Jin left her at the apartment when he went to "deliver the message". I'm not sure if she would have been able to get there before him, especially since Jae was not in the room when Jin got to him.
My opinion is that Jae realized that he was busted when Sun's father caught them, then realized that he could never be with Sun after Jin beat him up and told him to leave the country. He decided to jump rather than living without her in shame. The necklace he was clutching in his hands told us everything.
FYSB said...
The hex is funny, but shouldn't the spoiler chat just go over to the message board?
I agree. I was just trying to be funny :)
Dennis, I appreciated it. I wouldn't consider informaiton a spoiler if it's something mentioned in the official podcast for that episode about that episode. It's merely an elaboration of something we were meant to understand but may not have been clear. (Although in this case I guess a future episode was mentioned.) Anyway, the hex was a nice touch.
Notre Dame football!! Where are you located (if it's not too personal)? I'm originally from Indiana.
GUYS--- Did any of you see NUMB3Rs this week on CBS--- Guess who played the part of a Chinese dignitary--- OUR FAVORITE ONE ARMED SCIENTIST OF DI INITIATION FILM FAME, DR MARVIN CANDLE (oh, and his twin brother with both arms, i guess) he had the same haircut and spoke in the same EXACT voice tone-- it was FREAKY-- you can watch it over at cbs.com/innertube --- check it out at about the 10:45 mark-- i guess its just another sign that the "experience" is truly over.... seeing him as another character on another show makes me sad.....i always wanted to know what his deal was in the DI.
Anyway--- enjoy....
Just dropped in tro say hi and tell you that the goog and I just recorded the second podcast. HOpefully it will be ready early monday (maybe sooner).
Just checking in (was not on-line yesterday dealing with an ill father-in-law):
As usual, everyone has been very chatty...great comments and observations on what we've got so far this season. I'm definitely in the camp that Ben/Juliette/Jack/Sawyer/Kate form some kind of bizarre relationship interactions. Ben/Juliette had something going in the past and are now have difference of opinions about how things should be run and dealt with; Juliette has given Jack and Sawyer her little smirk/come hither look; and, of course, Sawyer/Kate...the kiss was just a bonus to him scouting out the opposition...which is the number one thing a great con artist does before he pounces.
Also, the Alex/Karl thing is interesting. I believe they might have been planning something (like running away, or telling the losties something) and Karl got caught and was being punished. Alex says to Kate: "You weren't supposed to be in that cage." She probably meant she should have been in there herself because she was the real guilty one.
That's what I thought about what Alex said as well, Midnight.
OH OH OH! I just discovered somthing! When Benry's sitting in the monitor room if you look closely you can see that he is wearing glasses! YAY ME!
o sry when hes sitting in the monitor room just before he goes in to visit Jack
In case anyone is interested, there is a preview clip from Canadian TV on the Lostlinks.net website (see "Further Instructions" under "Next On Lost"). Also there, are some strange caps from the CTV preview, that are linked above that under "Strange Images In Canadian Promo". These images are just flashes in the preview clip that are difficult to see. Tres bizarre.
BTW, I did not get to tape last week's ep. Did anyone notice any Lostaway "cameos" in Sun's flashbacks after re-viewing the ep? Tx.
Midnight, nope, I just happened to see it on the Lostlinks site. But....I do love hockey, and if ya love hockey, ya gotta love Canada! :-) My Indiana ancestors came to the U.S. from Ottawa tho.
O THATS SOOOOOOOOOO WEIRD hes like mute in the canada promo but he talks in the USA one!? hmmmmmmmmm those images are definitly weird one looks like boon maybe. And one looks like a polar bear. U kno theres two cages annnnnnd Sawyer only killed 1..............
I finished the podcast for this week. I sent the link over to our admin, so hopefully he post it up today or early tomorrow. If you want an advanced preview of the show send me some feedback at passafistwastaken@gmail.com and I'll shoot you the link! WORD UP!!
I just have to wonder how old these TVS are! They look like they are from the 50s now. :)
When is sun going to tell the truth about her baby?
Cam794.....please do not post preview link contents here, in case readers do not want to know any spoilers. Preview links are posted without details, so as not to spoil it for anyone. If someone chooses not to check out the preview sites that we post, because they don't want to see spoilers, they shouldn't have to worry about reading what's in them on the blog. People deserve to choose whether or not they want to see or hear about any preview/promo content. Thanks. :-)
UM ok but they were just talkin bout it but i was just commentin about it
Morning all: Not much to talk about, huh? Guess we get all discussed-out by Fridays! Definitely see a pattern developing here. However, I still feel a bizarre need to just check-in anyway. LOL
Alex: Yeah, those TV monitoring screens are probably left over from the DI days. But Ben had a pretty modern TV to show Jack the Boston Red Sox Video, didn't he? You'd think they'd upgrade. But I guess those "ancient" screens are working okay and, since they most likely don't have unlimited modernization funds, they are leaving well enough alone.
I don't think Sun is going to tell the truth about her baby. She has been shown to be a liar to protect herself. However, if the baby grows up to be bald, she's in trouble! LOL
Yeah, but does anyone else think she's gonna have a MISCARRIAGE due to the gun shot as well as... well, better drama.
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Is there anyone on this blog with more than superficial knowledge (that would be me) of Asian culture here? I was wondering how much the fact that female children in China/Asia (not sure about Korea) seem to be situated as second-class citizens (compared to sons), may have affected how TPTB portrayed Sun's behavior, i.e., the need to lie to survive. If you think about it, even Jin (a poor worker from a poor family) eventually got more respect overall from the world than Sun, who was a rich girl from privilege. I don't think any less of her now, just because of what we saw in this week's ep. Not that I condone lying or cheating on your spouse of course. But in light of what we have seen previously of her backstory, what all the people around her did, and how she was treated culturally, I really find it a matter of course that she would do the things that she did in this ep. I know, boring topic, but I was just wondering.
Capcom: I'm not anywhere an expert in Asian culture at all! But from what little I pick up here and there, it does seem that women are second-class citizens. Aren't male babies more highly prized in Asia? So Sun's upbringing made her subservient to Jin, but the tides turned when they ended up on that island. She is gradually getting more "liberated" (it doesn't happen overnight...just 69 days!), and is asserting her independence more. She realizes she is valuable on the island (her knowledge of medicinal herbs), and she just not a wife to a Korean man. She even has begun to talk back to Jin and gets in her 2 cents worth. However, there is still some slight guilt on her part for doing that. But she realizes that this new society developing on the island gives her a chance to be her own woman for once. And I think Jin is beginning to see and understand her value as a person.
With Jin and Sun's relationship (which truly is one of the most fascinating on television today), it's also interesting to see how Jin oscillates from the strict dominant/subserviant relationship to a more natural one... in terms of his own "jobs" on the island.
When working for Sun's dad, he was the muscle. He took orders. He was SUBMISSIVE, in fact, to Dad's demands and opinions. The anger from that partnership gets projected onto Sun.
At many times on the island, he goes back to that position of "the muscle" with limited thinking. But then he goes back to his roots of the fisherman... a more solitary, humble, but actually more powerful position. He has the power to feed the survivors or not. People will eat or starve (well, not really starve since there seem to be Dharma crap all around) due to his choice to fish or not. And the position allows him to think for himself as well... not taking orders from Sun's dad or Sayid or Jack. Or more recently, doing what Sun tries convince him of.
Hmmm... can you tell I'm reading lots of material on psychology and relationships?
I don't think there's a CHANCE IN HELL that Sun's pregnancy will come to term. Miscarriage is coming... it fits with some spoiler info that Kristin from E! Online gave (which I'm not talking about... but it's on Spoiler Fix).
Yes, interesting thoughts everyone! And true, Jin is becomming a better or more complete person on the island as is Sun. It was very nice to see how TPTB made them realize that they were both growing as human beings and as a couple via the situation together.
Wow, I did not even think about the posibility of Them taking Sun if they find out that she's pregs. That makes for some looming tension for us in the future, waiting for that to happen. :-O
Just saw on TV that there were some earthquakes in Hawaii taking place. Be sure to say some prayers for our Lostie friends, and Scoutpost who I think is vacationing there, as well as the islanders in general, if one is so inclined. :-/
k. barrick: I also wonder about miscarriage for Sun. Very good point about the Others taking Sun when they find out she's pregnant. I also wonder about how much Asian culture is playing a role in their relationship but are the writer's that insightful as to have researched and included it? Are they employing any Asian experts to help them get it right?
Were the events in Sun's flashbacks dated in any way? Otherwise how do we know that was not years before her crash on the island? Somehow she went from cheating on her husband to escaping her father with him to the United States. It just seems like more must have happened between those two events.
To UTPTB - We ask your protection on those in Hawaii, especially Scoutpost and those we know and love.
Just read about the earthquake...6.5 on the Big Island! Coming from earthquake country in So. Cal, I can empthasize with the Hawaiians. Hope Scoutpost and her hubby are ok.
Twinkle, UTPTB....would the "U" stand for Ulitmate? :-)
About time-lining the flashbacks: maybe in the future, TPTB will release a DVD that has all the flashbacks of each Lostaway in sequence, in chronological order. What I mean is, each person's complete set of flashbacks, put all together in one story for each character. Or better yet, maybe someone will eventually put them all together on YouTube, for free. :-D Any audio-visual geniuses out there willing to give it a try?
Mountain Girl, I know, what Claire said cracked me up too! But who knows, maybe that lovely island air, or the tranquil humming of the electromagnetics, kept Aaron asleep. :-)
Seems to be some damage on the Hawaiian Island due to the quake! Hope a certain set and cast and crew are ok.
mountain girl: Me too! What 3 week old sleeps!? And how did she survive without a lactation nurse!? (or at least her mother?)
Capcom: You figured it out! :-D
Aloha!
Thanks for thinking of us "islanders"
I just spent 10 hours with no power on a day where it was POURING rain. FUN...NOT!
Finally, I sent my dd out to play with the other kids in the neighborhood in the rain, but couldn't send my ds out because he has pneumonia. I had to spend the whole day playing board games with him.
Power came back on just in time for me to make dinner inside. I did NOT want to cook outside on the grill since it is still pouring.
Wonder if there will be a quake in upcoming episodes ;)
Becky: Glad to hear you're okay! Earthquakes are not fun. My hometown is Northridge, CA...famous for a quake. We didn't have rain afterwards, but no power, no tv, no computers, etc. is not fun. Hope you didn't have too much damage. TV here is saying there's a lot of landslides and damaged buildings.
Remember the first episode seemed like an earthquake when the plane was crashing? Some of the others ran in the doorways.
Wonder if your quake did any damage to the LOST set? Take care.
Aloha! Back from Earthquake Island..er...I mean Hawaii. Haven't had time to read comments, and will have to get in lots of kid time today, but I will be back in full force for epi 3.
Becky- glad to hear you're ok and that things are getting better on Oahu. We were on the Big Island- very near the epicenter, but we were ok and the hotel/resort we were at was operating almost back to normal after lunch. Our flight out last night was on time, and we were home this morning. Earthquakes are uncool! Hope I never have to experience one again. I thought the hotel was going to come down on us. All our drawers came open, things were shaken off the tables and counters, the TV almost fell out of the armoire, and the lamps fell over...but we were ok. Glad to be back!
And- thanks all for your thoughts and prayers. I really appreciate it and am sure it made a difference.
Happy Lost Day!
Hey FYSB, I think we need some zombies on the island this week. Watca' think?
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