Desmond awakens and discovers that he's on the island. Bummer.
Guess the island really wasn't done with him yet, huh?
Ladies, he looks good though, doesn't he?
Tuesday, April 06, 2010
Happily Ever After - Season 6, Episode 10
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Hooray, Des! Enjoy 6x11~!
Desmond!!!!!
yes, he does look good.
see ya after the show...
Hello, brotha!
I want to repeat my Happy Birthday to Maven in case she didn't see it on the other comments!
Whew! Just made it home!
shit son.
Nice one DeZZi... beat him up good... lol
what was scheduled i missed that
That looks alot like the Frieghters engine repurposed for this event.
email...
xxoo
Poor Des! That other guy is still smokin'!
i missed the first minute or two.... sigh...
hello all.
Are they gonna try to make Des mentally time-skip?
Anyone catch the bunny's name? Antwerp?
I did too, Lisa..
It looks like they're gonna use poor Desmond for whatever.. what's that coil thingy?
Holy....I'm here...this is going to be good. I can feel it! Or maybe it's just seeing Desmond's lovely face.
Time traveling bunnies, time traveling Des
Amy Lynn -- I think the bunny was Angstrom.
Just like at the Orchid station, no metal allowed
ok...woah
a catastrophic electromagnetic event
mirror again!
oh man i want to know what happend =/
Did Des just flash to the sideways? or did they just make it look that way?
Shweet...
Minkowski!
Black Swan I think they just made it look that way to try and throw us ... but we can't be thrown... lol ... can we
any wedding ring on Des?
wow... this is a different relationship Desmond has with Widmore.
I think you're right, Ded.. but I hate to say it, I'm easily thrown off LOL!
Good thing Des didn't have any fillings in his teeth.
I dunno.... it sure looks like a FS. And, no, no ring.
Whoa, that Widmore hug was WEIRD!
It's the giant hamster wheel.
Beam me up Scotty.
George & Dez former traveling companions.
LOL, capcom.. I'd be in trouble :P
Lisa, thanks, I didn't think I saw a ring. I guess he just got off the FS flight 815 with the rest of our Losties
oh man... his son
who is is son? Charlie?
Charlie is Widmore's son?!?!?!?!?
Ah, Daniel isn't dead in this sideways.. I'm starting to see the light
OMG CHARLIE AND PENNY RELATED?
did not see that coming! Charlie and Des!
Heheh, Charlie's got his Flash Forward haircut on. :o)
oh my! so is the event Locke's wedding?
What? No, Daniel Faraday is Widmore's son... HUH? I think I missed something.
Charlie's really wanting to die
wow.... this FS is very odd
If Charlie is Widmore's son why is he calling him Mr. Widmore? Was there a part of that converstion that I missed?
Claire!
Desmond's "you have a choice" speech sounds similar to what Locke told Charlie on the island about the heroin.
I'm so excited! Looks like my theory might be right!!
choices, choices
i agree lostit
Oh no! Charlie is destined to drown! With Desmond as a witness!
He flashed to the Lokking Glass!!!!
Flash what ways now? Did Sideways Dez just see the real time line?
wow that was odd... desmond had flashes from what happend on the island!
cool! saving charlie over and over just like before.. I loved the part where they have some recognition of what happened on the Island
Seems like he did!
Ooooo!!!! My toes are curling in excitement over this episode!
Charlie isn't widmore's son... he's going to play with Faraday,widmore's son...who we knwo is alive... andWid's wife is alive (Ellie?) (classical and rock combined)
Wow, this FS is freakin' me out. In a good way.
AWESOME!
I liked the picture in Wid's office of the B/W balance.
I caught that too TAV
Thanks TOL. I figured I must have missed an important part of that converstion. So Faraday is a musician in the FS! Cool!
mr friendly is in happytown?
I think so Ded.
I didn't come here to discuss 'The Package' because I knew the promos for this week and I think you consider those spoilers here, right? Anyway, I was thinking Sun was starting to merge into the current Island timeline when she couldn't speak Korean anymore.. that happened when she got shot in the sideways
Lostit- I think I have that right...
here's the hospital scene!
Thanks, TAV.. I'll look for that in my re-watch.
Widmore has no idea the power of our Losties' connections that just will always be there! LOL!
Been there done that... sux alot.
Those lil hobbit legs can run... lol
Maybe they have to die in the FS to live on the island?
That's what I'm thinking, lostit. I theorized it backwards.. that they had to die on the island to make it in the real world.. LOL!
thanks for clearing that up TOL this episode is nuts. SO that means both DES and Charlie are having island flashes. are they the only two to have flashes back to the island in FS?
Wow, this is the first FS that I am totally into!
Kat,
I don't think so. It looked like Jack was having flashes to the island in his FS, but they didn't show the flashes. Just his confusion about things like his appendectomy scar.
Everything That Rises Must Converge.
Kat, I don't know if you can call them flashes, but Kate definitely had a 'feeling' looking at Jack at the airport and a feeling when looking in Claire's bag seeing the stuffed toy whale, for example.
This is crazy! I love it!
Does Penny even exist in this FS? If Charles is married to Eloise?
Commenting without reading comments... this is the most brilliant episode this season.
Exactly, TAV!!
the commercials have as many lost characters than lost!
Amen Amy Lynn!
A violation? Elly knows more than she's telling Des. She's full of it and just wants it to all work out for herself so she doesn't kill her own kid, IMO.
Again I say Shweeeet!!!
Daniel!!!
Yowza!
However, Ellie is not aware of Charlie- she's only aware that someone's messing with Des. Is what Charlie doing a good thing, or will it mess it all up? Is Wid and Ellie good or bad...or one of both?
lol The otherlisa... I have been thinking that all episode.... that and " I'm on a Horse." Thanx guys
OK, here we go... what Des wanted most was Widmore's approval, and now he has it. Now I've gotta go through all the FS and figure this out.
This is such a juicy episode! I love it!
It seemed funny hearing Daniel saying that his name was Daniel Widmore. though I don't know why his name in the island timeline was Faraday when his mother was a Hawking and his father a Widmore. Where did the Faraday name come from?
And Penny Milton? Did we hear that name Milton before? I assume it's her mother's name and that Widmore never owned up to being her father or was never told that he is.
Was Wid's approval an MIB kind of thing...a leaving the island kind of thing... finding that what you wanted, you don't really want.... Wids approval, but at the expense of never having Penny...
Sayid...having X... but at the expense of never having Nadia...
Eloise is very happy w/her life. She has Daniel & Charles. Doesn't want Des messing it up for Penny.
I don't think Ellie is good or bad.. she just has her own agenda?
Charlotte was eating a chocolate bar!!!
this is insane...
where is MEL...??? all this talk about Love and existance and ideas..
Another Desmond-Penny reunion!
He just flashed back in from the sideways. He was looking at this hand that he shook Penny's hand with.
HOLY CRAP its like avatar... you can only be in one reality at a time!!!!
oh man des has a job to do in both realities.
Brilliant. Bloody brilliant.
BEST. EPISODE. EVER.
That's so funny that Daniel didn't even know the equation he wrote. "What if this wasn't supposed to be our life?" I'm so happy to hear him say that about the sideways..
I just love it that it's their FEELINGS that are making them remember. It's all starting to come together and just like I hoped, that love is what will save them! (I hope!) LOL!
Neat idea Kat. :-)
Dang, this ep should have been 2 hrs long.
I agree capcom im going to watch it again very soon =)
Right BS, I was thinking that too, that Lost is all about Love. Heheh. Maybe redemption comes from love? I dunno, but this was a really important ep.
I agree Capcom. I could definitely take an another hour of that one. More! I want more!
Yes, about Love and choices. Some bad choices can be made in the name of love, unfortunately.
I also love what you said BS! im so excited about this ep!!!! Does anyone remember the drivers name.. i feel like weve seen him before. is that minkowski?
108 i hope! LOL!
Does anyone here know how to phonetically spell the pronounciation of Slainte, the cheers that Des said to Wid?
Yeah, Minkowski from the freighter ship that Widmore sent.. he had time troubles and ended up dying..
darn, I was 109 LOL!
Is it just me or does Jack in the FS look OLD when everyone else looks about the same?
Email :)
Found it, it's pronounced slawn-cha supposedly, in case anyone else didn't hear it like I couldn't.
BS, it's because Matthew Fox is letting his hair grow long, so there is some gray in it.
I just went back for you, capcom, and glad you found it. it sounded like sla-ja to me..
Did you catch the big picture of the scales (like the scale holding the black and white stones in the cave) in Wid's office?
Thanks, AL
Yes, that was awesome, more art for me to study, goody! I can't wait till someone gets a screencap up! And, another Faraday page too, this ep was rich in images.
I wanna see screen caps if anyone can find em I missed that art in Wids office!
Loved the scales and the model of the black rock in widmore's office
They are pretty quick over at Dark's, capcom. Sorry I can't get screencaps this year.
I started to watch V but just couldn't get into it right now. I need to rewatch LOST. Several times maybe. I just can't get enough.
lol its okay bs. im about to rewatch!!
Shouldn't the EM room be shielded or something? It's made of wood and the slats have spaces between them.
I'd be interested in finding out why Des and Penny stole Sawyer and Juliet's coffee date.
I'm like you Lostit, rewatching Lost and can't get into V just yet. Thank goodness for dvr. LOL!
It's funny that Charles says if he doesn't get the band that Ellie wants for the party that she will, "Simply put.. destroy me" Makes me wonder more about the scales pic in wid's office..
FYI, for those who can't see the scales pic, it is balanced and more than one stone on each side, about 3 or more stones on each side, one side black, one white
AL,
I suspect we'll see Sawyer and Juliet at the same place at the same time that Des and Penny are there.
LOL Amy, there's also a knick-knack that was used a bunch of times in different places int eh first few seasons. X-D
I agree, I so totally can't into V right after a Lost ep. My brain's too used up and has to refresh.
Thanks for the descripton BS!
Tivo needs to have a zoom feature.
LOL Lostit, too true. X-D
F5, capcom.. LOL, ah, memories of TLE
Oh, yeah, that was Kat that asked. Why couldn't I think of an easier name and one that can't be shortened to BS? ROFL
Good one, Lostit. I like your thinking! I think I can see how Des will be effecting everyone in the FS's but not on the Island.. thinking, thinking.. also trying to figure out how it works for Charlie since he died on the Island but is alive in the FS, so if he dies in the FS what's to converge with? hmmmm
Just popping in to follow the emails. It was okay. Didn't love it. I still don't love this sideways world thing. So does Desmond think it's his mission to destroy the world where he didn't know Penny until 2004? Cause that doesn't really make sense to me.
If you give me the choice between crashing on an Island, having 200 people die around me, another 75 die in the next 3 months, live 3 years of misery either on or off Island, and then sacrifice something else to preserve the ongoing life of Crazy Claire and her Squirrel Baby and Zombie Sayid, or we all land in 2004, I may not have met the love of my life yet, but wait I just did, I'm going to choose world X.
I'm confused. Didn't Des have a wedding ring on when he was on the plane talking to Jack in the first FS?
@LostIt, yes, he did.
I'm using V as a "cool down". Lizard babies are hilarious.
I'll go back to calling you Blackie again, heheh. Oh well, at least it's not Campoop!
BTW, I will eat my words if after this ep I end up loving what they did with the FSs that I didn't like before.
Des did have a wedding ring in LAX LostIt. I'm guessing it was the actor's and they inserted the awkward line of dialogue to make up for it.
LOL
"Desmond" is one of the top ten trends on twitter. :)
memphish, I think you've hit the nail on the head. It's all going to be about choices and to get back to what Sawyer once said, 'a man does what a man does because he wants something for himself', so this will of course clash with what someone else may want
Lostit, I don't remember if Des had a wedding ring on in the plane
Yeah, memphish, I didn't really get Desmond's reaction when he came back from the FS.
Hmmmm. BS, you a raise a good point about Charlie. I guess there are two ways to look at it that come to mind.
One is on the idea of "a life well lived". His life will be shortened on the island but the love he had with Claire boosted the quality of it over what he has.
Another way to look at it is that maybe a third world will be born when the two converge - one where Charlie doesn't have to die.
I honestly don't get Charles Widmore's stake in this either? Wasn't this what Eloise wanted Daniel to do all these years? Create a world where she didn't shoot him? So why does Charles want to undo it? In X world he gets both children.
Who wins if the Island survives? This is one of the things that has frustrated me about the show all 6 years, but especially from S2 on. Who on earth is happier, more satisfied, more mature, more complete from their time on the Island? Answer --- no one! Why save that?
Whoa, Alex Krychek is on V, how did I miss that before?
Krychek! I loved that character! I didn't notice him either. I'll have to watch for him when I watch V. What character does he play?
Maybe when Des flashed, he saw more than just the island vs the FS. Maybe he caught a glimpse of what could be (the third world)?
What I don't get is his reaction to Sayid. One minute, Des is ready to do whatever Widmore asks of him and the next he's all "Aye, of course" when Sayid takes out Widmore's people and says to follow him.
I guess I could be reading this wrong though. Maybe Desmond is going to destroy the Island with Sayid in order to get the world where everyone, including himself is more happy. Did Des go with Sayid before or after Widmore let him on his plan do you think?
You can call me Blackie, campoop.. LOL!
Lostit, I like your third world idea.. the Losties will make their own future, if they can make it off the Island. I'm such a wimp, I don't want anyone to die.
Memphish, You raise a good point. Widmore and Ellie aren't together in the original timeline. Widmore sure sounded dreamy when he spoke of Desmond's bachelor life, IMO. And don't forget, he got kicked off the Island for his hanky panky off-island, right? As far as we know, he's got a kid in every country in the world and it doesn't sound like family is important to him. LOL, I don't know if this would be his goal, but I thought it was funny the way he talked about little Ellie being able to 'destroy' him. With all his seeming power and money, maybe she's the real powerhouse, (and has his you-know-what in her purse) ROFL!
I think our Losties definitely matured and learned from the different perspectives that they got on the Island.
OK, so someone work with me on this.... the one thing they want but don't have.
Des - Widmore's approval
Locke - Helen's love
Ben - to save Alex
Jack - to be the father that Christian couldn't be
Kate - to be free?
Claire - to have Aaron?
Charlie - to have Claire
Sayid - for Nadia to live
Sawyer - respect
Jin & Sun - each other?
Hurley - true love.
LostIt said...
Maybe when Des flashed, he saw more than just the island vs the FS. Maybe he caught a glimpse of what could be (the third world)?
I like this! And, like you, I'm confused about Desmond's purpose with going off with Sayid. I do like the idea that the Island must be destroyed or somehow made unattainable anymore and that humanity isn't really ready for such powers it holds.
Desmond just said he knew what to do.. eerie, so I think he has seen more flashes than we know yet.
It kinda seems like Eloise and Charles are on different sides.
Eloise wants to keep the FS the way it is. She gets her husband and her son and she seems to have quite a bit of power.
Charles feels trapped, like Eloise does have his whoo-whoo in her purse as BS said and wants the island timeline. So he's fighting to get things back "the way they should be".
I can't take credit for the third world idea. Doc Jensen wrote an article about a third world a while ago. I wasn't buying it then, but after tonight's episode, I kinda hope that's what happens.
I don't know Lostit, I'm just taping it now and not watching, but it looks like Krychek is Juliet's friend.
Now that would be a twisty twist Memphish!
Could be, Lostit, but idk. To be fair, Widmore did tell Ellie that Daniel is his son, too. And he seems protective of Penny. They could just be differing in other things or they could be on the same side, but believe in two different ways to get the same thing. An ends justifies the means kind of thing that they don't agree on?
Enjoy your Birthday present Maven.
It's a keeper.
Time for some shut eye.See all of your smiling faces tomorrow.
Instead of a 'third world' I think there is the original timeline and that includes the Island time, and then there's this sideways world, the third would be the future that the Losties make for themselves when they finally get off the Island, hopefully with a better idea of how the choices they made in the past weren't working for them.
Amy Lynn, I like your list. I made a similar one earlier this year. I'll have to see if I can find it.
So Des is going to show the 815er's- what? That they have to find their constants to get to a "real" world?
I loved the tech giving Des the "button" to push as he goes into the Harth- I mean the MRI.
I mean Hatch
I think the bomb cause the split and Charles is trying to create something of similar amounts of energy to merge the two timelines back together again.
I just had a depressing thought. What if the merged timeline results in Oceanic 815 actually crashing in the Sunda trench and they all die.
Thanks to all for the birthday wishes! Had a great day and looking forward to topping it off with the new episode! I still have 45 min. to go!
@LostIt, depressing, but interesting. Nobody ever said LOST is going to end on a happy note.
JT, I was wondering what Des is planning to show them, too. Is he going to "show" them the same way Charlie "showed" him?
I didn't pick up on the button. I wonder how long it took for him to press it - 108 seconds maybe?
I don't think the end of Lost will be all happy either. Unfortunately, I even see awful 'Sofie's choice' type decisions that might have to be made because there are issues of the kids and whose kid will be even be alive in either the FS or the Island time, so there will be disputes, disagreements, different ideas on what's bottom-line important. Maybe when Des was so sure of himself at the end of this episode, it may have had nothing to do with what widmore wants or what the remaining survivors want, but what HE wants for himself. I got a bad feeling actually after 'The Package' because the only way JiYeon even exists is from the time Sun and Jin spent on the Island, so if Widmore is there to change things or to keep the FS the only timeline, then he's basically showing Jin the child that never will be born. Sawyer in the sideways has no Cassidy. Jack in the sideways DOES have a kid. Most parents think of their children. I hope it doesn't come down to our Losties all fighting amongst themselves for some really big outcomes. The stakes could be really high.
If Charlie Hume doesn't exist in FS, does that lend any cred to the theory that he is the boy with the blood on his hands and/or Jacob and/or MIB?
Perhaps I am wrong about this, but I would have MUCH preferred to see this episode directly follow LA X, and then the other episodes following.
hahaha, Amy Lynn.. I've got my ideas how they could have done this differently too, and not wasted so much time on the FS's.. geez, don't they know this is the last season and we're running out of time here?!?
@BS, LOL. I just think if we'd been presented with exactly what the issue was, and what the stakes were, that episodes like "What Kate Does" and "Recon" would have been much more tolerable, and episodes like "Lighthouse", "The Substitute" and "Dr. Linus" would have been that much more heartbreaking.
Hey LoCos!
Barely had time to watch -- WHOA! FINALLY!
I jusrt got caught up with your comments.
As expected Des is the connection between the 2 timelines/universes. He's the intermediary, the conduit. I definitely think Des saw more than just FS-Penny during the flash he had during Widsy's little test.
JT, LostIT -- I'm wonding the same thing -- How is what Des saw going to help our LOSTies? Unless Des flashed to a 3rd/4th/etc timeline, I'm not sure what information he would have gotten from the FS/xPTL that would have so thoroughly convinced him Widsy is right.
I agree that FS-Eloise seems to know more, about both (maybe all/many) timelines. "This is a serious problem, in fact it is a violation."
And I loved FS-Daniel's, "What if this, all this wasn't supposed to be our life?"
I wish I could stick around but I have to drive my Mom to work. I am going to rewatch ASAP, though I already have bunches of comments and no time.
LOST!
Well, I have to admit that things seem to be dissolving the way MEL always said they would. Charlie walks in the traffic as though the cars weren't real and didn't matter-then drives off the dock the same way. Everyone looking through the glass- Des this episode in the glass door.
I'm all for Love-and it's their story after all. But can I be happy with it all being a Metaphor World in the end?
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but John MILTON, of course (of Penny Milton fame) wrote Paradise Lost.
AL, I thought 'What Kate Does' and Recon were bigger give-aways about the fact that the sideways have always been a separate 'unreality' (or some might like to look up the word, irreal, just for fun) as partly a continuation of fan appreciation, which I think Darlton are going a little bit overboard on. All these eps are like that with their subtle 'humor' and bringing in the old characters. We all have our fav. characters and what floats one person's boat won't maybe hit you the same way. As a former teacher I personally hated the Dr. Linus episode.
As far as Lost being full of metaphors and about love.. that's what I've always loved about this show, that it's character-driven and has many layers. The deeper layers have always been there, they just are taking so much time to let it be in the open now, practically spoon-feeding it to us and IMO it's taking away from what will now be happening that we are so interested in with these final few episodes. It makes me think they'll be leaving lots left for us to debate, but I'm more the type who likes a clear ending and 'Happily Ever Afters' LOL!
Was "Milton" on the wall?
Any speculation on what Widmore wants Desmond to sacrifice? I'm thinking maybe his current life with Penny in order to make things "right".
@Steve, no, Milton is not on the list, according to Lostpedia
Just finished watching. Great episode. Had some family health issues. Will catch up on posts tomorrow.
Sayid'sgirl, hope everything is ok!
You could be right, Lostit. I think Widmore's biggest thought right now is to keep Penny safe, no matter what. Ben told him he'd kill her in retaliation to Alex being killed. And that's why the freighter came before... to get Ben! hmmm
SG, I hope things are OK now.
memphish, you asked whether Des went with Sayid before or after Widmore filled him in on the plan.
Since 20 minutes passed between the IV stand and Sayid showing up and the test itself only lasted a few seconds, I'm going to take a guess that Widmore filled him in on the plan prior to Sayid showing up and going with Sayid was actually part of the plan. That's the only thing that makes that scene make sense to me.
If someone has another explanation, please share it. This scene has been bugging me.
I totally missed that Walt's mother was Charlie's lawyer.
Okay, just finished watching this fantastic episode! Definitely deserves a rewatch, but too tired now...V is playing in the background! LOL
I can't quite put my head around exactly what is happening yet, but I'm gathering that Des is the conduit between the FS and the real time on the island. And they are beginning to merge. It seems he knows what he must do...asking for the manifest to gather everyone together. I just love how everyone and everything is connected together and it's the relationships that really matter.
Dan's statement that "All this wasn't supposed to be our lives and we changed things for some reason" is the key to everything.
Hi Maven, I think you've got the main points perfect. :)
Amy Lynn, I missed that too! I got a funny feeling about Walt when the dr./nurse was asking Des about him seeing things that weren't there and halucinations.
In re-watching, Charles certainly has LOST his kind ways to Des when he finds out that Charlie, the musician that Eloise wants for her fund-raiser has taken off and won't be available. Widmore saying something angrily about letting Desmond tell her the bad news. LOL, I may have been right about what's in Elly's purse.. oh, dear.. it's getting late and I'm getting silly tired. :P
wow - that was the greatest episode ever by a mile. I can't even think of one that was close.
I want to go to sleep for a week and not wake up until next Tuesday.
Hey everybody. I have been watching late every Tuesday, so by the time I get here there's little to add as far as the first round of observations go. I liked this episode a lot. And I think you guys have some good thoughts re: FS. Seriously, Henry Ian Cusick got the prime part in the show- Desmond's episodes are always so good.
Guess I'm gonna have to go back and reread all of Mel's posts now...
I'll catch up with you all soon!
Morning,
Sayids Girl - hope things are ok with the family.
Liked it didnt love it.
things i liked; all the charlie/desmond scenes. george the driver. Penny smile as Des asked her out.
things i didnt; charles widmore, zoe, and the forced scene where they kill a guy just so we know how dangerous the wood box emp machine really is.
why did Des want the flight manifest for flight 815 and how can his george the driver get it for him.
eloise definately recognized desmond when she saw him. seems like she know more than charles.
i will say i was surprised that it was a desmond episode. i thought i read here that it was going to be a hurley centric episode. cant have enough hurley
Good morning LoCos
I haven't rewatched yet but here are some thoughts.
Black Swan and Lostit Things will be fine I think. It wasn't as bad as we thought it might be. Thanks for asking.
Capcom said...
Good thing Des didn't have any fillings in his teeth.
In the island time line he did. He told Jack they hurt everytime he walked past the wall in the Hatch.
TOL said..
However, Ellie is not aware of Charlie- she's only aware that someone's messing with Des. Is what Charlie doing a good thing, or will it mess it all up? Is Wid and Ellie good or bad...or one of both?
I'm not so sure she's not aware of Charlie. But she might not be. I'm not sure either is good or bad but I think they've always been on opposite sides in this thing.
About Des' ring. There was a screen cap where it looked like Desmond had a ring on in LA X but it was kind of blurry, so we way have been mistaken. I thought he had a ring too based on the cap.
I’m not sure what that scene was where Desmond “seemed” to come back and tell Widmore he’s ready to start. That happened when he touched Penny. Then later he actually woke up on the island. The scene with Sayid seemed off too. And why did touching Penny’s hand cause it?
Memphish said…
Who wins if the Island survives? This is one of the things that has frustrated me about the show all 6 years, but especially from S2 on. Who on earth is happier, more satisfied, more mature, more complete from their time on the Island? Answer --- no one! Why save that?
The way I look at it is, this is my life. It may not be perfect but it’s real. I still don’t get a real feeling about the FS.
Eloise saying "This is a serious problem, in fact it is a violation." May refer back to Ben saying he changed the rules when Alex was killed. He did go to Widmore after that and say he was going to kill Penny.
I loved that Daniel said "What if this, all this wasn't supposed to be our life?" Because that’s how I’ve felt about the FS all along. Also the fact that he sent Desmond to find Penny makes it seem like he’s trying to change what he did with the bomb and he knows Des is miraculously and uniquely special.
Who does Des want to show the manifest too and why? It must be someone in the FS because I don’t think you can bring things from on time line to the other.
Charlie seems like he might have an important part in all of this too. I think he’s wanting to die. Why was Widmore so upset he didn’t show up for the concert and Eloise who supposedly want him to play the concert didn’t seem to care?
morning,
Sayids girl - hope everything is good with the family.
Liked it, but it was no where near the constant.
liked all the charlie/desmond scenes. loved the smile on penny face when she agrees to meet des for coffee. liked george the limo driver.
hated every scene with widmore(except him getting hit with the IV pole), hated the scene that they just kill a guy in the emp wood box. we assumed it was dangerous you didnt need to burn the guy up to prove that. everytime zoe speaks i pray for a flaming arrow.
why did des want the flight manifest from flight 815 and how can george the limo driver get that?
eloise initial reaction to desmond was odd she seemed to recognize him.
Charlie's lawyer was not Walt's mother. Different actress. Walt' Mom is played by Tamara Taylor. The lawyer was played by Sundra Oakley.
I have a question... when does the scene at the stadium take place? Is it the same night as Daniel's concert?
I think it was the same night AL. I think he went straight from meeting Daniel to the stadium. Looks like Penny is planning to blow off her Stepmonster. She will not be pleased.
@memphish, thanks, that's what I thought, too.
I'm not sure I like a world where Sawyer was 'meant' to be a criminal and Jack was 'meant' to have no one love him, and Juliet was 'meant' to be dead. I like the world they made better. ;)
Even if Desmond doesn't get to be in love. Juliet alive but Desmond alone.
Okay by me. ;)
So we think Widmore separated Desmond from his wife and child because he didn't want to be married to Eloise anymore in some other timeline that he's not actually living but can somehow sense? I can give him the name of a good divorce lawyer in Beverly Hills. No Island necessary.
i think hawkings was afraid that desmond would mess up the sideways reality if he reopen's pandora's box in the sideways
for a minute this made me think that hawkings is working for smokey in order to keep daniel alive. her line about not yet at least lead me to believe she knows her perfect sideways will end too. i liked her line about violation.
i guess the sideways is the result of jughead, but not in the way we think. i think jughead allowed the '77 815'ers to make it back to 2007 and widmore and zoe are either trying to sink the island or prevent it from sinking
i wonder if widmore just wants des to make a sacrifice in 2007 or both 2007 the sideways.
i think the timeline has reset several times since hawkings killed daniel, she has tried to change things many times. She realized she had to make daniel a physicist and send him to his death on the island to create the sideways, which represents the result of all her stuff with the 06. When she said "it's the first time i dont know what's going to happen next for the first time in a long time" the sideways hadn't been created yet.
i strongly suspect smokey might be free in the sideways because of events we will see unfold in 2007.
I think they were toughening up desmond in the swan to be resistant to electromagnatism. The failsafe key was his first real test.
i think that by sinking the island in 2007 and subsequently if nothing is done in the sideways the world will finally end and there will be no jacob or replacement to reset things and tweak them. thats a win for smokey.
it's intersting that in a way hawkins is using a loophole in the sideways to have daniel alive. Physicist Dan was still in 1977 in both the orginal and the sideways past. So she didn't need to make dan a physicist in the sideways because it's past borrowed dan from the lost 1.0 reality. Just as there were 2 kates and 2 locke's on the island during the timeflashes. In theory there were 2 dan's in the sideways. the one who time jumped and convinced jack to blow up jughead and the baby in eloise's stomach.
i think penny is not only desmond's constant through time but now through alt's. He didn't have true realization of the other timeline in the sideways until he touched hands with penny in the stadium. I think this relates to jacob's touch not being magic, rather it is the ultimate constant between shifts in time and space but also alt timelines. It allows people to be "special", but i also think jacob sought out special kids that could be resistant to the ill effecdts of electromagnatism, like walt.
i wonder if 2007 desmond figures he can still have charlie hume in the sideways. It would be better than being hunted in the original timeline. Until he met penny the sideways wasn't an ideal outcome for desmond. Thats why widmore never let desmond meet her until 2004 in the sideways.
i think that desmond realizes that he has to retrap smokey in the sideways or somehow have the 815'ers reunite and unsink the island and establish a new jacob before the final timeline plays out and smokey wins.
i think widmore wants desmond to turn the donkey wheel or something in 2007.
i wonder what sayid is up to. I think he spared zoe because flocke needs zoe to sink the island.
i feel bad for dr. linus if newly aware sideways desmond run's into him. It's wild that 2007 island desmond is only like 3 days removed from being shot by ben.
i feel like sideways desmond is gonna go to the lamp post since he's been there.
i suspect sideways widmore and hawkings are already aware of the the original timeline like desmond, charlie, and faraday. i als suspect widmore has made sure everyone down to rousseau, ben and rose are in the l.a. area.
i now think that confused dan that landed on the island was the sideways dan and not dan from the past. thats why he was filling in his journal as he went along in season 4. He knew if anything went wrong desmond was his sideways constant.
Back in the big LP alternate reality debates before S6-there was an idea that the bomb would cause a branching AR-like the boulder in Dan's stream dividing the current, and that it would come back together further downstream. So, the island time would still flow the same, and there would be another time beside it for awhile.
I didn't really like the idea because I couldn't see the point of the branching stream, and didn't see how two different sets of events were going to mash up back together. Like how Des is going to flip from married with ring to not, Sun is going to be speaking English and not.
This is starting to look like the picture-and it also looks like Des is trying to bring the streams together in 2004-which means all our island time events would change- and bring in the "we have wasted the last 5 years because what we watched is changing" objection.
Sorry, I decided to consolidate.
I'm afraid I still fail to see how the island timeline is 'better' than the alt. Other than for dramatic storytelling purposes I mean.
Desmond has met Penny in the ALT. He can still marry her and they can have Charlie.
Daniel has met Charlotte in the ALT. And if she got the same startling cupid's arrow he did, then they're in better shape than they were in the island timeline where she never realized she loved him til it was too late.
(I do rather hope the reason Charlotte wouldn't let Sawyer in was because Daniel was on her sofa.)
Jack's life seems better in the alt - he's got a son and they just patched up their relationship - no reason he can't fall in love if he meets the right fugitive.
Sawyer certainly seems to be in a better place in the alt. And Juliet's alive. . .or if he's supposed to be in love with the famous fugitive. . .well, she's there too. He can still find love.
I just think they could find love in the alt. . .and actually have a chance at not dying horrific deaths.
If they destroy that timeline in favor of the island timeline, we get:
Daniel - dead
Charlotte - dead
Charlie - dead
Juliet - dead
Sawyer - miserable
Jack - barely getting his feet under him
Desmond - being asked to make some sacrifice that doesn't bode too well
I need more to believe that the alt isn't a better alternative.
i think pianist daniel bled over from the other reality in the sideways because he was exposed to radiation as a fetus and electromagnaitism in the original timeline.
charlie could see the old reality in near death experiences in the sideways.
i think the candidates may still need to die in the sideways in order for smokey to have a final victory.
i guess locke and eko also survived catostrophic electro magnetic events but not long aenought to be alive in 2007, they also were farther away than desmond. It's gotta relate to why desmond was naked after the faisafe key.
i almost think that desmond's propensity for tolerating electromagnetism, may make it possible for him to go to the sunken island and turn the donkey wheel. the dharma sharks had to have a purpose. I almost think that widmore and hawkings are the degroots. at least widmore had a hand in dharma or jacob did.
I am almost willing to bet that Dan Faraday is the musician that designed the looking glass station. Perhaps when he was in ann arbor from 1974-1977!
just thinking i had the same thought about the boulder and the stream diverging then reconnecting. It made me think of the splice in the swan film. It's like the realities have to match up enough that you could splice in the sideways from 2004-2007 into the old timeline or vice versa. Like the swan film you could splice in anything as long as it conneted both sides of the film. this made me think of the room 23 film and how it's a mish mash of splices...
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