Namaste, TLC!
Let's welcome the new recruits to the Island - Jack, Kate, Hurley and assorted canon fodder, welcome!
In tonight's episode, when old friends drop in unannounced, Sawyer must perpetuate his lie to protect them. Let the awkward reunion begin!
Wednesday, March 18, 2009
Namaste - Season 5, Episode 9
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 382 of 382He's not a ghost Maven, he's resurrected like Locke eating fruit (and Jesus eating fish.)
So I'm thinking that Amy didn't give birth at the Staff because like the Swan DI hadn't built it yet. I'm thinking they only started going underground (mole people) after finding out how hostile the Hostiles were.
I'm really interested to see who else will be reborn on Island. It seemed that both Christian and Locke took 3 days from their arrival on Island to be reborn and appear in the water. All the LOSTies who died were buried within a day, so none of them got the chance to be reborn, except perhaps for Claire. And maybe Charlie. They also did away with Colleen's body quickly when she died. I wonder if you were shot and came back to life would you still have the gunshot wound like Jesus' wounds?
Ha, ha - bigdog, I thought of the Shining, too. "You've always been here!"
I love the expression on Juliet's face when she finds out that the baby is Ethan. And then she puts him down as fast as she can.
I also like how Sawyer gave Jack a crappy job, and gave Hurley something good. Still looking out for the big guy!
I'm thinking Christian saying to Sun and Frank that they have a bit of a journey ahead means they may have to leave and bring back the others that so far have not returned like Waaaaallllttttt and Aaron and possibly Desmond and maybe even Ji Yeon. But will one of them have to die too?
Juliet is probably thinking that if she'd let Ethan die she wouldn't have come to the island at all!
What if you have to arrive on the island dead in order to be resurrected? (and also special to the island)
Yemi might be the only exception to that but he might have just been wounded when the plane landed and died after. Otherwise the only two we know for sure were resurrected, arrived on the island already dead.
maven said:
How does Ben know exactly where the camouflaged outriggers are?
I was wondering how Ben knew about the outriggers too.
He had to know where and when he was going to end up.
I think he knows where Jin and the others are too.
Black Swan said:
And there are just bare branches and dead trees in Otherville
I was wonder what happened to the island between 2004-2007.
Is this the after effect of the war that Widmore mentioned?
Do the Losties have to do something in the past to prevent it.
I know you’re not suppose to be able to change the future, but maybe they are the course correctors
Amused2bhere said:
Did anyone else hear the Numbers over the plane's radio just before the landing? Somewhere during the turbulence, the flashing, and then the near-miss landing I thought I heard the numbers. Anyone corroborate?
I was wondering what the numbers where about. According to closed captioning it saying ….50 60...
The voice says something before it says the numbers but I can’t understand it and captioning doesn’t show it.
Bigdog said:
8. if the Sun/Frank are on the main island in present time why is the camp look so literally dead.
I know what happened in 3 years between 2004-2007?
Memphis said:
I'm thinking Christian saying to Sun and Frank that they have a bit of a journey ahead means they may have to leave and bring back the others that so far have not returned like Waaaaallllttttt and Aaron and possibly Desmond and maybe even Ji Yeon. But will one of them have to die too?
Good thought. It’s either that or they’re going to have to do some kind of time traveling.
I always assumed Radzinsky was recruited in the 90’s with Kelvin. But evidently that’s isn’t true. He made the model. And probably knew everything about it. That’s how he knew how to make the blast doors come down. I also thought that he made the map by venturing out and leaving Kelvin alone. But now we know he was DI for a long time and already knew where all the station were at. So did he make the map from memory? If so what was he doing on his ventures out of the hatch?
Also how does Christian showing Sun a picture of Jack Huley and Kate in the DI in 1977 prove Jin is "with his friends"? He's not in the picture.
mikhail is an other not dharma. Although he plays the same role as radzinsly differn't organization.
I agree sun was never supposed to come back, jin died first time around, thats why Ben was surprised he was still alive, no jin, no ring, no ring no sun come back to island. the o6 beside sun were never meant to leave so they joined everyone where they would have been. I still think that sun may have been injected and that's why she doesn't flash and her daughter may keep her anchored in the present.
radzinsky probably hasn't built the swan yet, since the swan is deep in hostile territory, radzinsky is weary of an other getting wind of dharma's plan to break the truce and build a station in otherville.
i was thinking that sun hit ben so hard that he is passed out in that other episode, but he also threw away his arm sling, so i think ben is pretending to be all injured, he would have to go pick it up again. It seemed like a classic ben plaN where he lets sun think she getting one over on him, ending in him taking a beat down. Just as ben didn't go in jacobs cabin when christain was in there he wasn't gonna go to this other place when christain was there. Also crazy that christain seems totally alive like locke. Perhaps tied to the urgency to bury people. so in case of time flashes they dont get reanimated?
last week i said ben being all messed up from the crash seemed to show the island wasn't healing him, but his arm and all his scrapes where seemingly healing before our eyes on the island, so he is special. Ethan being amy's baby seems to show that julliette and the rest have always been in this timeline, so i would guess that Ben has always had sayid in his childhood. I think the missing piece will be what caused sayid to turn on ben and stop killing widmores people for him? i think that will explain sayids disdain for Ben, perhaps even tie into nadia. Seems tO ME that grown up Ben has done a lot to make the 815'ers hate him knowing full well they will encounter him as a kid, interesting.
lets not forget that the purge is still not going to happen for 15 yrs on the island, lots of time to build the swan and get radzinsky into there.
i wonder if ben did the runway for the ajira plane in 2004,to make sure he survived the crash later on or to help the ajira people survive or maybe the runway was meant to keep the plane in one piece to later leave the island with a mess of people on it?
by the time the purge happens ethan will be like 15 so i bet ben brings him into the others out of respect for horace. Julliette doesn't dislike ethan, he was fixing her plumbing before, she doesn't really care what he did to the 815'ers. If anything Ethan is more involved then we think. He played his role in all this for ben, why else try to shoot locke in the time flash or not recognize him later
Twinkle, good point about arriving dead to be resurrected. The way the Others wanted Paul's body is still bugging me though.
I'm managing to convince myself that the reason Sun didn't flash was that the job of bringing everyone back to the Island wasn't complete, and Sun and her desire to reunite with Jin makes her the most likely one to be able to complete the task. Maybe that's why Ben didn't flash either, but I prefer to think that he didn't as a punishment.
Completely OT, but really cool. Underwater volcanic eruptions near Tonga. I hope Capcom finds this when she gets back on the interwebs.
2costa said:
radzinsky probably hasn't built the swan yet, since the swan is deep in hostile territory, radzinsky is weary of an other getting wind of dharma's plan to break the truce and build a station in otherville.
Maybe that’s what caused the “incident” the others found the Swan station.
…he also threw away his arm sling, so i think ben is pretending to be all injured…
I was thinking he was testing to see if the island would heal him again. When he took off the sling he touched his arm and looked to the heavens as if questioning if his arm would be healed.
Oops I didn’t read far enough.
i said ben being all messed up from the crash seemed to show the island wasn't healing him, but his arm and all his scrapes where seemingly healing before our eyes on the island, so he is special.
Oops I didn’t read far enough. I agree with this.
Ethan being amy's baby seems to show that julliette and the rest have always been in this timeline, so i would guess that Ben has always had sayid in his childhood. I think the missing piece will be what caused sayid to turn on ben and stop killing widmores people for him? i think that will explain sayids disdain for Ben, perhaps even tie into nadia. Seems tO ME that grown up Ben has done a lot to make the 815'ers hate him knowing full well they will encounter him as a kid, interesting.
This is a good thought. I’m interested in what happens between Sayid and Ben.
i wonder if ben did the runway for the ajira plane in 2004,to make sure he survived the crash later on or to help the ajira people survive or maybe the runway was meant to keep the plane in one piece to later leave the island with a mess of people on it?
I’d say it was to save his sorry butt.
I may be wrong but I never saw wanting Paul's body being anymore than and eye for an eye and saving face.
Richard's word wasn't good enough for them Sayid's Girl? He has to tote the body back into the jungle to prove it to them?
Seemed to me last night's episode made the Paul/Amy vs. Hostiles encounter even more confusing. Paul and Amy must have been trespassing, but Paul clearly IDed himself as DI what with the jumpsuit, so they should not have had the right to just shoot him. And I guess they were treating Amy as a 14J, but why not shoot her too? We never saw that Paul or Amy had any weapon.
I was trying to figure out if the monitor at the flame had Sesame St. or if it was the Ed Sullivan show.
After looking a Dark's screen caps I figured out it's The Muppet Show.
memphish
You mean taking Richard's word that Paul was dead?
I don't think it has anything to do with taking his word.
It's symbolic. A ritual. Sort of like Ben trying to get Locke to kill Cooper in front of the group of others. But of course that's just my opinion.
Maybe the hostiles don't follow or have the same rules as the DI as far as identifing themselves.
Who knows.
Oooooh, the reason Richard wanted to take Paul's body back with him was so that he could say to the hostiles "Paul is dead" :)
IB4UC FTW!
So why were the numbers playing in 2007?
I also just realized that Pierre Chang used his real name.
RE: Numbers in plane during turbulence
Maybe they were altitude readings?
RE: Radzinsky
Maybe he went into the hatch because of the purge and that's why he thought he needed a hazmat suit? If he made the map from memory, it gives us a clue about what Dharma knew, didn't know, and what they didn't tell Radzinsky.
RE: Sayid and Ben
I'm really hoping - it would be great storytelling and consistent with what TPTB are trying to do with this show - if young Ben became BEN because of something our Losties do or say.
Twinkle, could the thing with Ben be as simple as the Losties tell him he leaves the DI and becomes leader of the Hostiles. Kind of like Locke telling Alpert in 1954 that he's supposed to be the leader.
Twinkle said:
RE: Numbers in plane during turbulence
Maybe they were altitude readings?
I thought that could possibly be it but wasn't sure.
Sayid'sgirl-read your comment earlier about the numbers being 50, 60 etc. They were THE numbers, 15, 16 and so on. Can't imagine why they are broadcasting again in 2007...guess we'll find out soon!
xxoo
Sayid'sgirl said...
Thanks Lurker Girl
You're welcome. :)
Ellen
You may be right, but I've watched it 4 times now and it sounds like 50 60 to me. But it could be 15 16 that would make more since.
Like you said I guess we'll find out soon. :)
the numbers being transmitted again in 2007 and the fact the barracks were all still dharma'ed out seems to show things have changed, didn't keamy basically torch the barracks in 2004. would the others have left up dharma pictures? everything seems to have slightly changed with the addition of sayid jack at and hurley to the '77 timmeline, reminds me of press 77 in case the hostiles take over
maybe the numbers were the same or perhaps the core values of the valenzetti equation have been changed, hence the subtle changes in scenery. I was thinking the hydra seemed way more trashed then the last time we saw iyt in 2004
that was the barracks that christain was in right?earlier this season i referenced the shining when julliette said richard has always been here, just like jack nickolson at the overlook hotel, well they referenced it again yesterday with the piture of the wall from 1977 was just like jack n. showing up in one of the old overlook hotel photos on the wall.
what i was saying earlier is the barracks and hydra aren't really as you would expect them to be in 2007 from what we had seen of them in 2004.
2costa said:
...everything seems to have slightly changed with the addition of sayid jack at and hurley to the '77 timmeline...
That's a good point. Maybe that is what made the changes between 2004-2007.
i also liked how the writers spelled out that the lb's are travelling through time parraleell to the ajira people just 30 years earlier, so even though they shift back and forth between '77 and '07 its almost like the same time, meaning as many days as it takes sun to finish her journey that amount of days will pass in 1977 just as in 2007, so if it takes her a month, a month will also pass for jin.
i also can't think dan has been gone all 3 years, sawyer saying dan has some interesing theories about what they can and can't do has to mean more then dan's pronouncement that"what's happened happened, and wherever they are they are stuck there"
I really got the impression that Dan has gone off the deep end. He's there in 1977, but he's not really there in his mind. He might be just babbling now. Maybe that's why we saw him sobbing watching the footage of Oceanic 6 in 2007. He is very fragile.
i think ben wouldn't be subject to the flashes either way,since him turning the wheel, is what set the flashes into motion to begin with. Sun not tie jumping is the only mystery to me, but it reminds me of last season how jin told charlotte to get sun off the island no matter what, so maybe the first time this all played out sun got saved from the island and jin never survived. The change may be due to micheal, perhaps his trick with the battery freezing bought jin just enough time to escape this time. I'm thinking that Mike was a wild card that Ben played the second time around the timeline to gain info on the frieghty's, and ben didn't give mike enough credit to be able to change things and thats why Ben was honestly surprised that Jin lived this time, As was said before, i think Ben purposely kept aaron and walt from going back to purposely make things more unpredictable.
I had a thought yesterday that perhaps we have it backwards, instead of history changing and then it affects the islanders perhaps the island people change things and history rewrites itself to match what changes have been made, meaning perhaps hawkings thinks you can't change things because she is off island and once everthing changes, those are her new memories so she assumes no change happened, only people on the island are left with their old paradoxical alternate timeline memories?
slight changes to history and the timeline may also be why people dont recognize people they saw in the past, like charlotte not recognizing dan, perhaps she didn't actually see dan in her memory until locke successfully turned the wheel, becaue if locke doesn't do it they all die of nosebleeds before dan can deliver that message. Just as travelling to the iland just does a slight delay in time, maybe that why she has the memory slightly before locke tunes the wheel. It doesnt make much sense that she could be tricked into thinking the island wasn't real,, but then suddenly remmeber geronimo jackson or dan's warning
on review it is the barracks that cristain is in, and as far as i know the others didn't leave dharma symbols up on the doors after they started living there. christain moving freely seem s to show i was right about the cabin locke met with him in was not the metphysical jacobs cabin. more like a con by christain and ben. also the way he used a flashlight was not at all like jacob. I still think Ben never really could hear jacob, becuase when he took locke to the real jacob, ben truly didn't know what jacob told locke, even though he was claiming to hear all kinds of stuff jacob was saying, that scene also reminded me of the shining the way jac N talked to grady the ghost. Mike playing handball on the frieghter was also a big nod tot he shining
Hi LoCos! There is a 'puter at the hotel! :-D
I tried that Tonga link Memphish, but nothing comes up but the title page. Maybe I can get it when I'm at home, there might be a block here. Can't wait to see it!
Great comments everyone! And good catch on how Christian held the photo! He was hodling the latern in the well, so I guess we'll have to htink of another rreason why he d\couldn't help Locke. Maybe it was against The Rules. ????
Ellen
I was just over at my sister's and we listened to the numbers again and she agrees they are "the numbers". So I stand corrected. :)
Maybe they did try to reconstitute the DIbetween 2004-2007 per the Comic Con video and it went badly.
No prob! I think that you could possibly be right - maybe, about the DI reconstituting (or trying to!) If not between 2004-2007, my guess would be that it'll be a part of the "war to come." What do you think? Think it'll be season 6?
xxoo
ellen
Yeah I think the devastation we see might be due to the war Widmore mentioned.
well why would locke be needed on the island for the war if he doesn't show up til it's over? i guess that maybe the war is in 1977 and thats why widmore told locke he didn't need to die, but i doubt it
I don't think the war happens until later on...like the "present" (2007). JMO of course, but I sort of take everything that either Ben or Widmore say with a grain of salt right now. Some truth, some not...
I think Locke needs to be on the Island because he is among the elite now and probably has a major role to play in winning that war.
xxoo
Kenneth the Page on "30 Rock" had a good line tonight: "I have to bicycle over to Mr. Jordan's house in New Jersey tonight to hold his hand while he watches LOST."
Very nice episode!! More than I liked James telling Jack how he runs things I liked that the first thing Jack gets hit with when he mentions the name LeFleur is Cheng telling him that LeFleur is a good man who runs a tight ship.
I'm a little nervous now though. I like James in charge and James with Juliet. Usually on Lost when they tell someone how they're about to do a better job than their predecessor - that's when the other shoe drops. But I'm pulling for James and Juliet. I'm just nervous.
So here's what gets me. Kate spent a good amount of time in that processing center/rec hall didn't she or was that a different building? When she was being held prisoner? How'd she miss that photo of herself? And what the heck happened to dharmaville between 2005 and 2007/8?
Also, I'm more and more thinking that the whispers are the character hearing the "presents" that might have been but for one slight change in the past. Or maybe just the echoes of history.
The encounter between Kate and Juliet was just perfect. It was exactly right - just that perfectly civil interchange that had "you bitch" written all over it from both sides. LOL
Things I'm afraid are going to come back to bite them:
-Jack asked for James LeFleur and Phil noted that he hates being called James - yet Juliet, Miles, and Jin all call him James - I think Jack may have just given away that he knew him before he was "Jim"
-the questioning of Jin was awfully leading, Radsinsky doesn't seem like he quite buys it
-No one but Kate caught Jack and Juliet's hug like they're long lost friends? Phil didn't catch that? Really? Well, I hope not.
- Miles gaping at the O3. . .
The 500 lb gorilla in the room when Jack tells Sawyer what a great job he did getting them off the island is - - "You promised Juliet you'd get HER off the island and she's still here, ain't she?" ------or maybe that was just me.
And Jack has to be torn. . . 'hmmmm, on the one hand - I really don't like Sawyer being in charge. On the other hand, hot damn! Sawyer's with Juliet - Kate is soooooo ending up in my bed tonight!"
Juliet being with Sawyer, perhaps sharing a spoon, should mean Kate putting in a booty call on Jack. Good call Lost2010.
I have a dumb question. . .those other new Dharma recruits - - they aren't the people who won the ARG are they? You know, those people who were specially selected? That would be kind of neat. . .
Also, one of the 316 survivors is the big lovable guy from October Road. . .I recognized him. . . I wonder if he's going to just hang around in the background or if he's going to become more important. . .
I think Phil walked away before the hug. But I think he's suspicious of all of them.
Yeah Jack say I got "us" off the island. Who's us, you got 6 people off including your self.
I don't think Jack will let Sawyer (he's still Sawyer to me)keep him in his place for long his ego is too big.
Actually now that I think about it. . .I think the falling apart of the con may result from the fact that Sawyer starts thinking too much. . .he does better when he just reacts or wings it. . .like when he went out to meet with Richard. . .hmmmm. . .
Sayid'sgirl said... I don't think Jack will let Sawyer (he's still Sawyer to me)keep him in his place for long his ego is too big.
Yeah, and he'll do/say something really stupid and probably cause the Purge. The jig is up Jacko!
Phil's going to walk into Horace's office and say, "I believe the LeFleurs have been compromised."
with the purge coming in 1992 or around there and the swan film referencing the incident having a copyright OF 1980, I'm way more interested and concerned with the incident then the purge.. Assuming the incident hasn't happened yet, which seems right because the swan film in 1980 seemed to point out procedures in the swan were changed after the incident. I think the swan may have been built before 1977, but the geodesic dome among other features may have been added later. Although the lost game isn't canon, the blueprints they used were given to them by the producers and are canon, the "incident" room in the game is the spot in the swan,sayid noticed had as much concrete around it as Chernobyl. Another clue that the incident is gonna happen between 1977-1980 is that in 1977 Pierre Chang still has both arms, but in 1980 in the swan film he has the prosthetic arm. So i bet Chang had the swan logo on in namaste because they are either just preparing to build the swan or just completed it. Since radzinsky is the communications guy, i figure he was just building a replica of the swan and not designing it.. Either way the swan film in 1980 is post incident, so im thinking the incident can happen any time on the show and may even involve daniel or some of the others lb's. Now that we have seen radzinsky and can surmise that after the incident he gets reassigned to pushing the swan button, i still wonder why he edited out the part in the swan about communication with the outside world, almost makes me think that as ben and ethan changed sides from dharma to the others that perhaps radzinsky also changed sides after the incident, or he was spared in the purge because the swan has it's own air supply and air lock
2costa
I agree the incident happens between '77 and '80. Probably sooner than later since the Losties are in that time period.
Radzinsky said Sayid could have seen the survey of where they're building the Swan.
Not knowing much about surveys I'd say they're in the process of building it or will be soon.
The Orchid and the Swan were both built for their proximity to the unique electromagnetism on the island so I'm guessing it has something to do with that. Maybe the two are linked in some way.
It could be so many things.
So where do you think Daniel's mom, Mrs. Hawking is in 1977? Maybe she helped Daniel to leave the 1977 Island?
im thinking she is on the island, but who knows
since hurley is the chef, parhaps the reason he snapped when they first found the swan food and started seeing dave again was like a deja vu moment, like dan crying when 815 crashed or locke picking his own knife and compass when he was child. The sight of dharma food day in and day out could have been triggered by seeing the dharma packaging the first time
doc jensen said that radzinsky just made the map for others because he was adharma insider, but i dissagree. If you notice the blast door map is mosty where you could get in 108 minutes from the swan, since most of that is hostile territory, i think radzinsky didn't know much about that part of the island until he was stationed at the swan. Considering paul got capped for leaving the barracks, it would seem the truce was pretty strict and for the same reason radzinsky wa s scared sayid would see where they were building the swan, because it was hostile territory. Interesting though that the 815'ers seem to reside in the hostile territory in 2004 and the others now reside in dharmaville, nice inverse switch
earlier i meant he made the map for other peoples knowledge not his own, ut i disagree. If anything there were two makers of the map and he might have filled in the blanks
There's a big casting spoiler out on the web. Be careful out there.
you got me interested memphis,is it young someone?where did you see this
Hi guys,Great work as usual.
When I saw the Processing Center that Sun And Frank came across,it reminded me of a Ghost Town;like in those old Westerns.I think it may be like Jacob's cabin.Especially since Christian,and maybe Claire was there.
My signifigant Other/wife,has bailed on watching Lost.This season
has been too much for her I think.
When I get the DVD's,she'll probably catch up.After work tomorrow,I'll be able to re-watch that wonderful episode again.
Black Swan;
you should have gotten the job of Dharma Screen Capper.They sure hit the spot.
Enjoy your weekend everyone..
The Swan contained an orientation film, produced in 1980 by the Hanso Foundation, that described the origin and purpose of the station to its new inhabitants. In the film, which was kept behind The Turn of the Screw, Dr. Pierre Chang, who used the alias Dr. Marvin Candle, gave a brief overview of the founding of the DHARMA Initiative and explained that the station was originally intended to study electromagnetism, but that an incident occurred that altered its intended purpose. He went on to explain the protocol, which was to be followed by the station inhabitants in the wake of the incident. ("Orientation")
After the reunification of the Flight 815 tail section survivors and middle section survivors, Mr. Eko revealed a cut-out piece of the film to Locke, which he had discovered in another DHARMA Initiative station, the Arrow. In this piece, Dr. Candle explained that the computer should only be used for entering the code every 108 minutes, and that using the computer for communicating with the outside world would compromise the project and possibly lead to another incident. ("What Kate Did")
The Others
The Others initially seemed to have no knowledge of the purpose or function of the Swan station. Shortly after the castaways entered the Swan, the Others became aware of what they had done via surveillance. On November 7, 2004 (three days after the castaways entered the Swan) Tom is known to have used the Pearl to observe the interior of the Swan. Two days later, Ben and Juliet visited the Pearl to briefly observe Jack. At that time, Ben outlined a plan that strongly suggested that the Others were able to send messages to the Swan computer from an unknown location. These messages were apparently directed at Michael.
In the March 20, 2007 Official Lost Podcast, Carlton Cuse confirmed that The Others had no knowledge of the Swan station; hence, Radzinsky, Kelvin Joe Inman, and/or Desmond were not killed during the Purge along with the rest of the DHARMA Initiative.
During Ben's period of captivity at the Swan, there was a "Lockdown" event in which the blast doors inside the Swan automatically lowered. Locke was pinned under the blast door and sent Ben through the vent system to push the button. At first, Ben claimed to have pushed the button, but later told Locke that he had not pushed the button and nothing had happened; he said the station was a "joke". What exactly Ben did, or did not do, during the lockdown has not been revealed, however as the Swan station and the button was all real, Ben must have entered the numbers. As a result of the lockdown, supplies were dropped by parachute to the Swan.
seems to me that Ben has known about the swan since he was a kid and just didn't tell the others everything he knew. If they knew where the pearl is then they knew desmond was somewhere.
As i was saying before i think the swan may already may exist in 1977 but it hasn't been repurposed yet due to the incident. I know ben and his dad were on their way to the pearl on purge day, so Ben must have known radzinsky, then kelven and then desmond were in the swan.
another thing i was thinking about is charlie, I used to think the others were controlling the island trying to kill charlie over and over as payback for killing ethan, but what if horace somehow has some pull with the island, might better explain why desmond couldn't save charlie, if horace was intent on punishing charlie for killing his son...
2Costa, I saw it on New York Magazine's Vulture site if you want to go looking, but I hear Ausiello was the first to report it.
Oh memphish. I couldn't resist looking up that spoiler. I hope it's not true!
Here's the link but be forewarned...
Ausiello
I only saw the 'headline" of it and am trying not to let my imagination run away with me. So yes, heed the warnings people. :-)
After what we've seen in this last ep, here's my solution to the Purge...the LBs just have to be really nice to Li'l Ben and treat him like a kid should be treated so that he doesn't turn into a sociopath when he grows up, and voila, no Purge because he likes the LBs and doesn't want them to die, so he doesn't help Richard the second time around! :o) j/k
Ruh-roh, I don't like that article headline. :-p
The thing about Charlie dying multiple times seems clarified for me the other night while watching that frist ep with Mrs.H (The Constant?) where she was explaining to Des how the universe course-corrects...she said that if she saved the guy wtih the red sneakers, that he'd just die from something else, and if she saved him from that, he'd die from something again, etc. a couple times. And that pretty much sums up what happened with Des and Charlie it seems. ???
Oh and hey, I like the idea of this batch of recruits being "meant" to be some of us, if the ARG had continued. I bet that's what was supposed to happen. And perhaps that's what the rest of this season is going to include, Chang finding out, hatching a plan with Dan which may or may not work, etc. Just guessing.
Does anyone else think they've given Evangeline Lilly's hair and makeup person to Elizabeth Mitchell? I used to think they dressed Juliet down to play up Kate. . .now it seems like they're doing the opposite. . .or maybe working with Josh Holloway is just more fun than working with Matthew Fox . . .
I think it's kind of weird that their hair was perfectly spiraled in the jungle-present, and then straight in Hippietown. I guess that they lost their cordless hot-curlers in the jungle in all the hubbub. :-D
this season i have read less and less outside articles trying not to get spoiled. its getting harder every day. Is Doc's article ok to read?
i think sawyer dresses them up and jack dresses them down.
capcom i think that charlie still chose his path to death. which mrs.h didnt give the red shoes guy a choice or an opportunity for his greatest hits. the course correction could still occur but at least the person could potentially make peace with it as charlie did.
makes me wonder des only knew when charlie was about to die, does mrs.h just know when everyone is going to die.
Doc's recap is fine. I save his preview articles to read after the episode and I like his Totally Lost videos too, but I watch them after the episodes.
Am I the only one to have noticed that MIles no longer seems to commune with the dead since the last major flash? Perhaps all the visions were tied to him getting into the right timeline?
I'm hoping that's just a product of lack of airtime 2Costa. I still want to know more of Miles story. Unless he's Chang's son (and either isn't born yet or is assiduously avoiding himself) he doesn't really have a tie to the Island like Faraday and Charlotte.
well memphis, miles did get the bloody nose before sawyer, so that might show he was at least on the island before and longer than 108 days.
to back up the fact that the pearl was watching the swan...S.R.
S.R. are the initials of an unknown individual revealed in "Live Together, Die Alone" when Kate reads from a notebook found at the capsule dump. In that particular entry, the note-keeper mentions the activities of "S.R.", who was apparently a resident in the Swan station and was surreptitiously monitored from the Pearl station by the note taker.
* 0400: S.R. moved the ping pong table again.
* 0415: S.R. took a shower
i think radzinsky's first name is Stuart .
Great connection 2Costa between those notebooks and Radzinsky. Why Stuart? Your favorite S name? I'll go with Stan short for Stanislav Radzinsky.
It's too bad the pop-up hour is no longer on,I liked it even better the second time around.
When the New Recruits were outside,Dharma Lady by Gerinimo Jackson was playing over the loud speaker.Also Ride Captain Ride, (one of my favorite early 70's songs).The lyrics by The Blues Image, are somewhat Lost flavored.
http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/ridecapt.htm
Did TPTB say that they give up on the pop-ups? I think the only reason why it wasn't shown this week, was because it was shown last week instead of the new ep.
I agree Bigdog, I was just replying to 2costa's mention of why Charlie died so many times, i.e., cuz Des kept interfering. :-)
i agree with that capcom ,but im referring to why he had to die in the first place. It's like the dead like me rule, did anyone see the dead like me movie, desmond took over for rube in the movie
i read it was stewart somewhere, i think in an interview with the actor that plays radzinsky
I haven't seen that 2costa, I'll have to check it out, especially since it might be something to help me grasp all of this. :-)
same guy that makes pushing daisys, it's not too bad a show. The stars are reapers and if they try to help the person they are supposed to reap they just die some other way, i guess it's like final destination too
Although fate may have decided that charlie had to die, there had to be a reason desmond had repeated visions to forestall that outcome. It is sort of a paradox, Had charlie died by the lightning, cliff, or harpoon, he would have never survived long enough to unjam the signal. Part of charlies motivation was desmonds vision of claire being saved by a chopper. Although that still might happen it seems like these visions were manipulation. Chances are that if charlie would have died earlier , they either wouldn't have figured out about the looking glass or desmond would have gone there himself. Maybe desmond could have figured out the beach boys code or maybe not, but most likely he would have died and wouldn't have been able to have his interactions through time with faraday. So i still think those were false visions or they were a warning to desmond of someone else trying to meddle with the time line and kill charlie before he completed his looking glass mission. I think charlie was desmonds proxy in this situation because the island wasn't done with desmond yet. It could also be the island or smokey that judged charlie not worthy to live much as it did with Eko, for killing Ethan.
I got this idea from someone theory. What if the ethan we have seen before, the other, was a product of the time line before the lb's ever went back in time. The hostiles that killed paul, were obviously kidnapping Amy. Well if sawyer never time flashed then maybe the others succeeded in taking Amy. After she was recruited she had a baby with an other, who's last name is rom. She could have always planned on naming her first son ethan no matter who the father was, because it was her fathers name or something. This Ethan Rom, would have been brought up by the others rather then dharma's ethan godspeed. This might also explain Amy being the other Amelia. If this were true, there should be a slightly different looking ethan on the island in the present if he was still alive.
on the preview they show the barracks burning in 1977, i wonder if this is the change that made the barracks of 2007 look different. Perhaps the meddling of the lb's will make the barracks inhabitable for the others in the future. Even if the others did live in the barracks we saw chistain in at some point, wouldn't someone have noticed that hurley jack and kate were in this 1977 photo, especially after jack was playing football with tom at the barracks? perhaps the picture from 1977 and a pic of lafleur were the basis of mrs klughs list that she sent mike with in season 2?
I've updated my timeline again. I've included the corrected Charlotte birth date as determined from the OLP. Silly Mader.
When I saw the recruiting banners still up at the barracks when Lapidus and Sun came in with Christian, I assumed that the lbers had done something in the past that prevented the Others from taking over. Does this mean that the purge was averted? And where did the Dharma people go? Is it possible that Hurley convinced Sawyer to start moving everybody out on the submarine? Back in the sixties there was a saying: What if they had a war and nobody came?
good timeline memphis, i would put charles widmore buys black rock ledger in the 1988 part, important because it shows he was off island at the time
im sorry chuck bought the ledger in 1996, my bad
Thanks 2Costa. I'll add that now.
Anyone thought about why Radzinsky would have made the Swan film edits after what we've seen now?
TAV
I thought Ride Captain Ride was an interesting song choice too.
It's also one of my favorites.
I'm curious about Radzinsky too. I had assumed he'd been recurited in the '90s with Kelvin abut obviously not.
I'm wondering if he always was meant to go to the Swan when it was built or if he was put there as punishment or something along those lines.
He seems to be very protective of his job as communications officer at the Flame. I can't see him wanting to go to the Swan.
Being the communitcations officer may be part of the reason he edited the tape. Also what made him so dispondent to shoot himself? Just how long was Kelvin down there by himself?
I'm thinking Kelvin was recruited in '91 right after the Gulf war which would be a year before the purge. Had Kelvin always been assingned to the Swan?
That's a good time line memphish.
I only have one question.
Why do you think 2-3 days have pasted before they find Locke standing in the water?
I assumed everything we've seen on the island since 316 crashed was one day (the same day) and everything we've seen on the island in 1977 from the time Jack and the rest flashed in was one day (the same day)
Have I missed something?
i think it has to do with not wanting the swan film viewer to even think outside world communications are even possible, the film says not to do it because another incident is possible. Maybe radzinsky figured out that outside world contact can cause dangerous paradoxes on island, much like dan was so strict with frieghter communication
Sayid's Girl -- I'm assuming it's 2-3 days after the crash of 316 when they find Locke. I'm pretty sure it's at least 1 day after the crash, because it's at least one day after Frank and Sun have left in the outrigger. There's also the fact that the 316ers are camping by the remaining 2 outriggers by the time they've left Locke, so they've either moved from the crash site, or moved the outriggers. They've also explored the Hydra sufficiently to move their wounded from the beach to the Hydra.
But mainly I come to that conclusion because a) it took Jesus 3 days to rise again (and that's really 2 based on Jewish counting traditions, buried Fri, empty tomb Sun) and b) because that's how long it took Chrisitian Shephard to appear.
memphish
Ok, Thanks for explaining.
I thought you might be basing it on the resurrection of Jesus. I know there's alot of Christian undertones. I personally can't go there. Just me.
I can go with one day. Ilana brought Ceasar to the beach at night to meet Locke. So I'm going to say that's still the day of the crash.
But yeah the next morning would be the second day. To be honest I had forgotten about the conversation between Locke and Ilana the next morning.
Keep up the good work.
Hey all! I've been MIA due to illness and vacation, but I just watched the episode last night and can't wait to catch up with you all. (probably will be tomorrow or Tuesday though :( ) Loved this episode- especially the look on Jack's face when Pierre told him his aptitude tests qualified him to be a "workman"- haha! And was totally creeped out with old Smokey in the background when Christian told Sun and Frank they had a journey to go on....
Ok catch up with ya'll later!
Glad you're feeling better.
Hope you weren't sick during your vacation.
Can't wait to hear what you thibk.
oops think.
I'm typing with one hand. I have ice cream in the other. lol
Hi all, good episode this week.
My first reaction was that not a lot happened, and it was just confirming things we knew, or at least suspected. However going back and thinking about it after a second viewing it does add a lot to the Lost story. Kind of like an early episode where we don't quite know what is going on as lots of mysteries are introduced.
I think Ben knew where the outrigger boats were because that's where the Others always store them. A prearranged parking lot for the boats to get over to the main island in an emergency.
I love Sawyer being in control of things and I agree that Jack will definitely put his foot in it at some point very soon.
I think Dan has been working at the Orchid and has managed to time travel his mind to the future somehow.
Glad you enjoyed it Zort. What happened to Daniel, why Sun didn't flash, what sort of journey she has ahead, and whether it's just her journey or Frank's too are the big questions I took away from the episode. But I loved all the DI stuff we got like Radzinsky and Chang and the groovy feel of the Barracks.
I don't really know what to make of the DarkUFO/Fishbiscuit fallout, but I'm still reading her, though from her site, not Doc Arzt's. She wrote this that cracked me up.
The blissful oblivion of the utopian Dharma Initiative had a lot going for it. It's easy to see why Sawyer had decided to just ride this con as far as he could take it before it crashed. The DI had a groovy green economy. A very small carbon footprint. All the cars were cheery blue and probably ran on salad oil. Everybody worked, but nobody worked too hard. The jail even had a nice Mayberry RFD feel to it, where Barney let Opie in to bring the prisoner a sandwich from Aunt Bea.
I bet Phil has to keep his bullet in his pocket.
Was that the first time we have seen Chang as a real person in the show, rather than as a person on film / video ?
By real, I mean interacting with the characters.
zort
Yes it is. Unless you want to count "possibly" time traveling Daniel who bumped into him in the season opener.
memphish - He'll be needin' to Nip it in the bud. . .when it comes to this LeFleur nonsense. . . . sorry I couldn't resist. . . .it's this pun gene. . .it just takes over sometimes and I can't control it.
Memphish, you'll have to stem the tide of the flower puns:-)
Sayid'sgirl, yes I forgot about the season opener appearance, I'll choose to ignore that and claim I'm right !
Lostpedia has posted an article about continuity errors. I found it interesting. Nerd.
memphish, yes the article was interesting, and I hope some of the inconsistencies aren't just down to the production people just being lazy.
I can understand some genuine errors but I can't think all of them are just mistakes.
A BBC series called Lark Rise to Candleford set in the 1800's recently aired an episode with a hairy biker style production assistant walking round at the back of shot !
(and I'm fairly sure it wasn't to do with time travel)
Here's a thought:
we've been hearing over and over that Jack "wasn't supposed to" leave the Island...
since he did leave, what changes did that make? It seems to me that Ben and company have been trying to course correct from stuff that went wrong during one of the timeloops, and in a quasi-Quantum Leap style "put things right that once went wrong".
Does this make any sense to anyone else?
and now the big question: Can they stop the purge? Should they even try?
The purge is 15 years in the future from 1977. (15 years in the past in 2007)I wonder what it is they have to change that far back for something not to happen in 1992.
Did they do something and that's why the induction station looks so desolate?
I can't wait to find out if and what it is they do.
A2BH, my theory is that none of the 815ers was supposed to leave the Island because they needed to get to 1977 where they are supposed to do something, just not sure what yet. It's hard to figure out what did happen, what was supposed to happen, what was course correcting. I think we have to take at face value what does happen being what should happen no matter what those attempting to thwart fate (Widmore, Ben, Hawking, Alpert?) are doing by trying to interfere with it. We might be seeing permutations such as Charlie's multiple near deaths due to interference, but I think it's too early to tell what's what at this point.
I guess you could easily say that Ben turning the wheel was like Desmond saving Charlie, but then how do you reconcile the skips into the past we saw? Would there still have been time skipping if Locke had turned the wheel? Would it have been more "controlled?" And how would Locke have told Richard about his birth and met Widmore if he'd turned the wheel?
The O6 leaving might be another permutation, but the thing I've never really understood about their leaving and having to go back was why wasn't someone (Hawking, Widmore, Ben) more concerned about it for the 3 years they were living their lives if in fact they did need to get to 1977? Beats me, but I'm along for the ride and enjoying it.
The only thing that I can think of is, it took them 3 years to find the correct path back to the island. Then they started gathering up the O6.
Hi All!
Good to see your Monday morning take on it Zort! I agree with your thought about the canoes, it could be just as simple an explanation as that. Although, I'd guess that it would have been the DI that began putting the boats there to use. ???
I also agree that "the Jack is going to hit the fan" any time now. It's got to, he's such a knee-jerk reacter, just as James said! It might even just boil down to him getting frustrated with one of James' decisions and then blowing their cover, all for the momentary satisfaction of a "Nanny-nanny-boo-boo, I'm right and you're wrong" to James. :o)
Thanks for the reply on the Fishbiscuit thing Memphish. I used to enjoy her take on eps, but stopped reading this season because IMHO, a) she tends to put way too much meaning into things that I just don't think is there (while insisting that's the way it is), and b) she gets too much glee out of putting other people down. I can live without that. :-p But keep posting out-takes from her here, that's funny. P.S. I always used to wonder as a kid what a "bud" was, when Barney would say that!
Good thought about the Quantum Leap aspect Amused! I like it. Sam was able to to do somethings, and not others, similar to the confusion of that aspect that we've seen on Lost. I think I'll file that in the section of my brain on time travel and refer to it when I get confused about "What happened happened" vs. "the Losties changing the heck out of everything just by being there", etc.
Good points Memphish. Also, if the 815ers were supposed to be there for their destiny of specialness, were on a list, were meant to help keep the island safe for eternity....WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE JUST TELL THEM!!!! Sheesh. Oh well, then there wouldn't be a show if they solved it all right away. :-B
I was watching the repeat of S2E1 and Des is really treating the Losties as if they are Hostiles, as if he was told a lot about them before Kelvin died. Not a huge revelation of course, I just never looked at it like that before knowing in detail about the strained relationship between the DI and the Hostiles.
OT FYI: At the hotel that I was at they had a little library that you could borrow books from, and I grabbed William Shatner's new bio and I highly recommend it, it's hilarious. It's also very serious in a few spots as he writes of his 3rd wife's alcoholism and death (as well as Nimoy's alcoholism) and other life lessons learned. One tidbit: France Nuyen seemed to have about the same personality as the character Elaan of Troyus (sp?) that she played on Star Trek. :o)
capcom
I read a book a few years ago called Star Trek Memories that he wrote it was pretty good. I'll have to give this one a try. Thanks.
I need to read that one too, tx!
Morning all! Been mostly lurking lately, but after reading Fishbiscuits recap, I got to thinking that we are on some sort of loop that is repeating over and over. She pointed out that the famous list that had Jack, Kate, Hurley and James Ford on it from Ben were the 815ers that were in 1977 Dharmaville. Ben knew them then and knew they were necessary to complete some yet unknown part of some yet unknown plan.
Also, Radzinsky somehow escapes the Purge and ends up in the Swan station. Maybe all the Hazmat suits and quarantine stuff was because Radzinsky was aware that gas was used in the Purge and he's gone bonkers about not going outside the station without protection. He probably does eventually blow his brains out onto the ceiling.
It's truly amazing how everything is beginning to unfold and how things are getting tied together.
I'm still confused about why Tom or Dan or someone said that Jack wasn't even on the list at one point in S3. :-(
Pickett says Shephard isn't on Jacob's list Capcom.
So Maven, why do you think Sayid got left off the Mrs. Klugh list?
Good point, Memphish. Maybe Sayid isn't instrumental in "what needs to be done"?
But why? That's what I don't get...the why, if he is as important as the rest.
Did anyone see which book Mr LeFleur was reading ?
Is it another one to add to the book club ?
And what about Jin? He wasn't on the list and supposedly not suppose to survive the ship explosion.
Zort, You should check out this about the book. :-)
Perhaps Sayid is left off the list because they though he was too dangerous to capture, or not open to blackmail.
It's also possible that they are working from incomplete information from what ever sorce they are getting it from.
i.e. Richard writes all the events down to give to Ben when he is older, but part of this information gets destroyed some how.
Listening to The Transmission and heard this I hadn't considered. Sun was the one of the O6 that Locke didn't visit. Maybe that's why she didn't flash, lack of Locke pixie dust.
But has anyone found out why Jack wasn't on Jacob's list as Dan mentioned? If he is so important, why wouldn't he be on Jacob's list? That confuses me. I didn't see anything on Lostpedia.
As per Patchy, Sayid is not on the list because he is "weak", a point which is highly arguable unless Patchy means that Sayid has too much heart and that gets him into trouble. :o)
LOL Memphish.
Forgot about Patchy and his list. We need a list of lists. A blog post for another day. I still want to know about the Tailies the Others took. Zack, Emma, 8 other people. Ring a bell PTB?
Lostpedia's list of lists is pretty good to get things started. :-) But still no info about Jack and Dan's comment.
Just listening to the Podcast episode 58 with Dark Angel, and just to let you know that the episodes in the UK are definitely only a couple of days behind the US.
It is on on Wednesday in the US and Sunday on Sky one.
Also Dark, just in case Sky are listening to the Podcast, you may want to hide your true identity :-)
I downloaded the episodes from the net when Sky were a few weeks behind, but I now just wait until the Sunday to watch.
I just rewatched Tale of 2 cities. . .
So, let's say that Ben knew all our 77 losties as a child. Which ones of them he put on that list may have been based directly on what actions he knows of them taking when he was a child.
I still think there's a decent chance that if he had a big crush on Juliet. . .that rather than jealousy he had a decent amount of hero worship going on for Sawyer. That's the kind of man she goes for. . . hmmmm,
And if we suppose that the con falls apart at some point, Ben could realize that Sawyer was the consumate con man. . .that he installed Juliet in a pretty little house at Dharmaville. . .and supported whatever her chosen work was. . .
It's possible that Ben became who he was because he was trying to be the man he thought Juliet wanted. . .
And the man he was emulating was the man he was because of Cooper.
So that Ben, is tied up in the whole, Locke/Sawyer drama even more than we knew. . .
OT: Nice ending on BSG!
Nice theory Lost2010.
I still do not get why, if the O6 and other 815ers are so important to the Island why the Others didn't take them and Room 23 them or something. Why do you let the Fuselage 815ers make their own kind of music instead of bringing them into the fold even if you have to take some annoying people in the process to make everyone happy and get them where they need to go? And why did you take people from the tail section, yet they apparently are not jumping through time?
I suspect there's something to do with free will here. The O6 and friends needed to "choose" to stay in order to be the ones to affect things. But that makes Juliet not like the others. She didn't choose to stay, she got left. Sawyer, Charlotte, Miles chose to stay. Dan, Frogurt, Jin, Juliet did not.
Oh well, don't mind my mumblings. I'm still just baffled by the story-telling that continues to give us no goal, no ring to throw in a mountain, no tower to save, no Death Star to destroy, no bomb to stop from going off (or is there?).
Nope, you aren't going to get a directed plot and you know whose fault that is? DESMOND. Up until the introduction of Desmond, we had a goal - "Get off the Island". But then you throw Desmond in the stupid hatch and . . .
ahem, sorry. . .don't know what came over me there . . . .I read some "V" spoilers this morning and it completely wrecked my perspective.
Don't read V-spoilers for the record. . .
;)
What are V spoilers?
The new pilot for the remake of "V". . .skip them for Lost related reasons.
I already know. It was hard to miss.
Why would ABC release that? Isn't V an ABC pilot?
Beats me.
LOL Memphish, to that last query of no goals, heheh. X-D My goal would be to grab Frankie as a boyfriend, heehee.
They're remaking V??? Oy vey. Well, the original is kind of disco-dated, but I bet they'll change everything so that it's unrecognizable anyway. :-p They'd better not remake the remake of Buck Rogers too! Let that one live on in all it's disco glory, haha.
FWIW, I finally got a post up for this ep on my blog after getting back from vacation.
Ellen's got two good ones to check out also on her blog! :-)
Hi all, If Sawyer and crew are in the DI in the early 70's shouldnt we have seen the Degroots already.
they are always refrenced in the videos
very interesting post about the lists and the people on it.
i have a feeling the degroots dont really exist, why would pierre use aliases in the films, but then everything else is true? We know Alvar Hanso is real, but most other stuff seems suspect in the orientation film especially individual people it talks about
Good point about the Chang alias, 2costa. If Pierre Chang was living amongst the DI people (even filling in when needed at the Processing Center and introducing himself to Jack as Pierre Chang), then why would he need so many aliases in the orientation films? I don't understand that point of having different names in different films when he was obviously known to everyone as Chang.
What do you guys think about the Charlotte/Darlton age screw-up?
I was reading about that maven. There was some he said/she said between them and Mader. But DL/CC have come out and said they were responsible for the mistake and not Mader. In the long run I can accept that it was just a screw up, but right now I find it irritating just because it seems such a preventable mistake. In a show where they know that time travel and timeline are so important, why would they think that changing a date in a script would be harmless? They should have known better...which does lead to the question of whether they are telling the truth, or whether they've just put out their statement merely to put the matter to rest. Either way, I just accept the mistake, go with what it was supposed to be and move on. At least we know now that there isn't something else screwy going on with Charlotte's timeline.
Haha, it would be funny if the DeGroots didn't actually exist, but I think that it would be great to meet the intellectual Poobahs of the DI at some point!
I ditto what Scoutpost said to your question Maven. At least now that we know, we can put it to rest in our already bleeding brains.
Sounds like Darlton was trying to CYA with the fans and got caught.
Rebecca called them out on it and should have. It's her working reputation they're talking about.
People may not want to work with her if they think she may want to make script changes.
Right or wrong people are human and they do these things.
They apologized when they were called on it.
Have you guys seen the anagram for "Only fools are enslaved by time and space" that's floating around out there. . .
That is very very interesting. Of course, I'm probably only now picking it up and the rest of you have known about it for ages.
fool's sin, Adam and Eve Play close by tree
Adam and Eve fly plane too close by sirens
what is it lost 2010?darlton claime d there would be an adam and eve anagram in that episode?
I don't really understand how Rebecca could have changed that info anyway - it wasn't her line, it was Ben's.
Oh, well - one mystery solved!
I know there's some Star Trek fans here. I highly recommend picking up the "Nitpicker's Guides" to Trek, TNG and DS9. They go through every episode and point out all of the errors. Some of them are WAY too picky, but some of them are just funny. And it's fun to watch an episode and look for the mistakes sometimes.
I know melissa that's the first thing that I thought. It was Ben's line.
But I guess they were trying to say she seen it and wanted it change because it made her to old.
That doesn't sound plausible to me. But I don't know the business.
What I don't get is why would an actress be that persnickety about the age of a character? A good actress should be able to play any reasonable age, IMHO.
I don't know - she's about my age, and I'm not ready for people to think I'm 37! ;)
Well, it's hard to pass Rebecca Mader off as 37 IMO. Just like it's hard to pass Ethan as a mere 27 (born in 1977) in season 1 (2004). And if he was only 27 (or younger in 2001, etc), how did he get to be such a skilled surgeon by that age? Maybe it was just one of Ben's lies? I guess some of these details they didn't have fully hashed out when they were doing casting and shooting some episodes. I don't think it's that big a deal in the long run though. I guess we just have to extend our belief when it comes to the appearances/ages of characters. I mean who would ever think Nestor Carbonell was playing someone 700 years old?! haha ;)
scoutpost - good point about Ethan. That's why I was so against the idea of the baby being him!
Maybe it's a time travel thing - Ethan leaves the island, trains to become a surgeon, and then returns to the island at the same time he left?
I don't think that makes any sense... :)
I"m impressed that Mader stood up for herself and that Darlton came clean. I can live with mistakes, as long as they fess up about them. When they get all holier than though that gets my fan ire up.
I think the season may suffer a bit from not being able to respond to fan feedback in the episodes themselves. The Kate hate, Juliawyer love for example has been rampant, but I fear we're stuck with how Carlton thought we'd respond to those characters instead of how we did respond. And for some reason Carlton and I fail to see eye to eye (or even eye to toe) on these issues.
Random thought about how Ethan becomes an Other: Maybe the Others will kidnap him while he's a baby- like they did Alex? Don't know why they would do that though. hmmm
I prefer the Ethan is saved because Amy is an Other or because of Paul theories, but I think the most likely will thing will be, the DI teacher will be an Other and she'll lead the kids Pied Piper style on a field trip to Room 23 where they will become Others and begin to learn Latin.
Kind of makes me think of the creepy child catcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
Scoutpost, you'll give me nightmares! I recently watched Chitty Chitty Bang Bang with my son, and had not realized that the whole story with the kid catcher was Dick Van Dyke telling a story. That made it much less scary to watch.
Mind you I didn't get this myself. . .I saw it floating around somewhere. . .
"Only fools are enslaved by time and space"
anagrams to:
"Bones of Nadlers may lay lost deep in cave"
I doublechecked it to make sure that it works out though.
haha memphish- I haven't seen it all the way through in YEARS. I saw a little of it about 7 years ago and that was the first time I realized it was all a story. Isn't that funny?! That child catcher has got to be one of the creepiest characters to ever have been in a movie!
Thinking about the lists and the time looping. Maybe the key is that you get on the list when you land back on the Island with your issues worked out. So Jack's got at least one more cycle before he makes the list. This goes back to the idea that you got redeemed and die, another way to make the list.
Hey we're recording the podcast right now @ talkshoe.com if anybody wants to listen in?!??
chitty chitty chitty chitty....
I loved that movie!!!
thanks for the blast from the past, folks
makes perfect sense lost 2010, its supposed to be an anagram that sheds light on the identity of adam and eve and "Bones of Nadlers may lay lost deep in cave" is a great anagram for "only fools are trapped in time and space", seems pretty clear that rose and bernard nadler are adam and eve. Plus is makes sense that the bones are like 40-50 years old and they could have easilt died in the 1950's flash
So TPTB spoiled us with an anagram?
But TPB said that Rose and Bernard are alive. I guess they could have lied or they are currently alive but will die soon (or rather their deaths will be shown soon).
lost2010 - I agree about the BSG ending! "All of this has happened. All of this will happen again" Kinad sounds LOSTish, doesn't it?
No BSG spoilers please, I haven't watched it yet, that is tonights viewing sorted.
happy Lost Day!!!
Good Morning All! Hey it's raining here so that must make it Wednesday. lol
It' either rained or snowed everyday since Lost came back. But no storms tonight. :)
HAPPY LOST DAY!!
That should be every Wednesday not everyday. lol
(Isn't Wednesday everyday? ;) )
NEW POST!
capcom - even the anagram has the word "may" in it. . .never trust Darlton. . .lol
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