Who is this "other woman" alluded to in the title of this episode? Could it be referring to someone besides Juliet? I'm sure there's more to this little phrase than meets the eye. The ABC summary has ventured into spoiler territory so we decided not to post it here. Be warned...be tantalized...and, as always, enjoy!
Thursday, March 06, 2008
The Other Woman - Season 4, Episode 6
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If there had been a gas explosion at the end of the episode, would everyone on the island have been killed, or just those right by The Tempest?
Blueheron13: I think the gas would have been directed to various outlets around the "populated" areas of the island...especially in New Otherton. If that's so, Ben must have a gas mask stashed somewhere! I guess it would have been like the Purge...unless you had a gas mask, you're a goner!
It has always bugged me that they use those particular gas masks. Why not military style gas masks? The ones they're using are not designed for unknown concentrations of hazardous substances. It would work if the concentrations weren't too high or if it dissipated quickly. I would have to magnify but it looked suspiciously like a standard full face air purifying respirator with an acid/gas cartridge. But maybe I was looking at it wrong.
(Still, it's just a prop - it served it's purpose - it alerted Kate that they were up to something odd.)
Maven,
I'm confused. Why would Ben (via Harper) want Juliet to kill Dan/Charlotte at the moment they were working on the gas system, since this would seemingly ensure that everyone on the island (except those with gas masks) would be killed, possibly including Ben himself?
I could see Ben wanting to be rid of Charlotte, Dan, and Juliet (now that Juliet is his enemy), but exterminating all life on the island--even his people on the way to The Temple--that seems too much of a stretch, even for Ben!
I think I'm missing something here.
Unless Ben had directed Goodwin to redesign the system so that the gas was directed everywhere BUT New Otherton. Ben just doesn't seem suicidal to me and he definitely wanted to go back to the barracks.
Interesting thought, lost 2010. I'll have to think this over a bit more and come up with some speculation.
diggitydirge said:
I guess I see it as a flashback because the story centered around his past vs post island life like the others. Agreed there is some time travel/jumping inolved, but in flash forwards you see post island life. That was my take at least.
You're right we haven't seen an off island flash forward with Desmond.
I started writing this and I had to stop and go get my daughter at school. Wow what a mess I sat in a row of cars for 5 minutes behind a car that had just decided to park in the street.
I think after next week when the O6 are finally revealed all bets will be off for FFs vs FBs. Until we know all the O6 though I think it was their intention to show only O6 FFs.
This comes from Televisionary's recap:
Still, we know now why Juliet was willing to have Jack kill Ben on the operating table (he caused the death of her lover), but why was she now willing to listen to his commands to kill Charlotte and Faraday? Does she still secretly work for Ben or feel some allegiance to him, despite everything that has happened?
That's a good question. Why does Juliet work so hard to obey Ben's orders? Why not just let Dan and Charlotte do their thing? Okay, because everyone would die, but why believe anything that would come from Ben?
This is from Jack's Crackpot Theory -- It's a good one! Jack says that Juliet told Michael to kill Ana Lucia in revenge for Goodwin. I like it!
Science-types -- check out this TEMPEST.
Kyle said:
And speaking of that coldcock to Kate's crown, what the hell?? She's suspcious of Charlotte and Daniel's motives, she knows Charlotte is armed, and yet when she is allowed to search the suspicious duffel of doom, she crouches down with her back to Charlotte!! Come on, Kate!
I know I was think the exact same thing. Where the heck have her skills gone?
On the map:
When I saw the map it reminded of Danielle's or even Ben's when he drew the map to "his balloon".
Memphish- GREAT link to the Tempest stuff!! Definitely "fits in" to the scenario!
xxoo
melissa_lossa said:
ellen - I thought that the pop-up about the real name of the boat meant the real name in real life. I think at that moment, they were talking about the boat that the scenes are filmed on.
You're probably right, it makes since. Like I said I haven't watched it yet.
Been trying to wrap my brain around why the Tempest was chock full o' poison. Here are three theories (of varying logicality):
1) Maybe it was developed by DHARMA as a weapon to be used against the hostiles, but the hostiles turned it against them instead.
2) The toxic gas is just a byproduct of whatever advanced-scientific technology they developed to power the island
3) If released at low levels, the gas simply knocks out various island fauna, so they can be tagged, collected, tested, etc., but at high levels (or prolonged exposure) the gas is deadly.
there is an Offical Lost video podcast up about the other woman.
I was thinking along these lines.
What if it's a power station - in that whoever controls the ability to wipe out the entire population definitely has 'the power'.
If this was another Dharma project, I'm left wondering yet again what their definition of failsafe is. Because mine is "if the system fails, the system will revert to the safe position" In other words, if no one pushes button 108, a failsafe would blow the dam. You'd have to turn a key to stop the dam from blowing.
Looking at that sour look on her face, I bet Harper was BFF with Colleen.
I also just realized the 1 famous Harper is Harper Lee who wrote "To Kill A Mockingbird" which was the movie Juliet told Jack she was putting in the tape player when she did her Bob Dylan homage.
I thought it was funny when Tom interrupted Juliet's session with Harper to bring her to Ben and mentioned that "if you give her a week, she'll have you crying about your daddy...speaking from personal experiences." Even Tom had Daddy Issues. LOL
man, finally caught up! Had a huge storm last night that wrecked havoc with my net connection. Haven't read Doc Jensen or anything yet.
I've only watched the ep once, and I am sleep deprived so not in the best state of mind, but these are some parallels I noticed, many already mentioned:
~ Miles and Ben both where they want to be
~ Ben's killing by proxy... he always gets other people to do teh dirty work and then uses it against them. In this ep we saw that he deliberately sent Goodwin to the tailsection camp (the furthest away) to get killed, then used Goodwin's death against Ana Lucia.
~ Ben's facination for Juliet when she looks so much like his mother... remember the conversation he had with Juliet in the Pearl about Jack?
I'm sure there were more but I've lost them now.
I agree with Melissa about Ben's mummy issues: it's because he never knew her and his dad was so crap.
Sounds like I should stay away from the preview. A woman overboard? Regina is the only one we know of on the freighter. Unfortuantely I was spoiled by my sister about the captain (actor only, but still).
I have a bad feeling that Locke is going to get a plan (or Ben is going to manipulate him into it), Hurley is a part of it and it gets Claire killed. Maybe this is the blood we keep seeing on his hands (thanks for pointing that out Melissa - I hadn't quite got there)
Good morning all!
Erich had a good point. Maybe the Temple is another Dharma codenamed station. Hmm...A place of sanctuary? (insert Logan's Run reference here)
Lost2010 said: If this was another Dharma project, I'm left wondering yet again what their definition of failsafe is. Because mine is "if the system fails, the system will revert to the safe position" In other words, if no one pushes button 108, a failsafe would blow the dam. You'd have to turn a key to stop the dam from blowing.
Maybe the failsafe in this case is a self-destruct mechanism that kills everyone on the Island in case of disease outbreak. If they were working on bio-weapons and the quarantine controls failed, they couldn't risk worldwide exposure. But I agree: "kill everyone" just seems a bit drastic to me.
Hi LoCos. Great ideas here by everyone! I've been too sick with a cold to "talk" so I've just been "Pearling" everything that you've been saying and it's all good! :-)
A failsafe at it's most basic definition, is just any kind of backup procedure you create that enables you to avoid a critical or catastrophic failure of a given system. There can be one procedure or action taken (as in turning the key), or a series of procedures for a contingency backup plan, depending on what kind of system failure is happening. But a failsafe in Ben's case, could be whatever he wanted it to be....emergency "Save" button, or emergency "Kill" button. I guess that it would depend on how he defined the impending threat. :-(
Thanks for the links too everyone, I even felt too sick to read all the recaps yet so I have that to do today sometime. Thanks also for the sciency/military Tempest link Memphish! :-)
I think bens little folder in the safe was prearriaingged for lockes benefit. I think ben knows why widmore want to find the island and its not just the healing, that was subterfuge. Ben did i class ic im revealing so much that itr has to be the whole truth, but i think the time anomoly is a major part of why widmore is there. I thought that parker appearing was very simuliar to when walt appear to shannon. We know from last week that desmond is the x-fator in this whole thing, my question is whose x-factor is he widmores or bens. I think if it is mike on the boat then we just didnt see ben tell locke about the time thing, because it has only been like three weeks since mike left, but if the bearings ben gave mike had him go to a earlier unstuck time he could have been working for ben for a while. I always thought mikes actions in the swan were a little out of character and above and beyond what klugh wanted him to do, but parker shows us that the others are splintered, by this i mean some of the others are privy to bens secret plan and some are not. I think i was right on the money with Ben putting all his senior guys in harms way over the course of the show. If ben is so into julliette why did he seem to push her together with jack in the hydra? if youll recall tom said sheppard wasnt on jacobs list, so since his surgery is done maybe its his way to justify gettign rid of jack. I think the interesting part of this episode is that we found out that the purge used the tempest to gas the whole island, whick seems to explain why the oldest non-other castaway on the island is rousseau. This is to say instead of canisters directed where u want a purge, ben has the ability to purge the island of everybody that doesnt have a mask. I think this is more of a way to protect the space time continuium. It reminds me of tom telling the 815'ers they are alive because the others let them be alive. I also think the tempest would be an ideal way to put a virus in the air. The way goodwin was working with chemicals in the tempest on a daily basis, makes me think that the tempest controls the air quality for the island all the time, which reminds me of how casinos put5 extra oxygen in the air to make gamblers giddy and spend more, well what if ben has been doing some psychotropic air additions on the island. The way parker appeared and left like the smoke or walk, renews my thought that ben knows what the smoke is or atl least knows more about it than he is letting on. I had the same question if parker was alive or dead, but what if parker is sleeping with ben? makes sense that ben would kill 2 birds with one stone, get revenge on goodwin, than have an excuse to get rid of ana-lucia. Remmeber tom saying eventually parker gets us all to talk about our dads or something. That reminded me of how they all have daddy issues, and made me think parker is one of bens closest allys and or partenrs in crime...From what ive gathered from the flash fowards, ben and sayid will be able to squash the freighter threat and sayid is killing anyone with island knowledge, well if that the case then why is jack wanting to get back or charlie telling hurley they need him on the island, because widmore is the good guy and ben is the badguy, ben has used all these mind games to frame it differnetly, but if the island is safe, whats the problem???goes back to my question "who is desmond the pawn for". Dan said you couldnt change the future, but i think thats wrong, someone was trying to kill charlie before the looking glass,lighning, cliff,etc to try to change things. I think it was ben, because had charlie died at wethans hands or after the looking glass signal never would have been unjammed, what if jack had given up on charlies cpr, then things would have worked out differnetly. I think when the timeline changes people on the outside world dont remember the other past because the changes take efeect and they never know the difference, but on the island certain people remembr how things were before, because it is somehow outside of the timeline, and that is the core of the island power, because just changing the timeline is meaningless if you have no point of comparison...
lets not forget that in one of lockes flashbacks his mom acted like he was an imaculate conception, so the virgin mary analogie would resonate with that, i think parker is the x-factor in that equation, she advises ben how best to use peoples emotional baggage to manipulate them. memphis great tempest info, it leads me to belive that the tempest is the key to the smoke monster, maybe goodwin needs to mix chemicals in order to maintain the smoke, and the smoke also seesm to gather all this information so that fits...maybe the tempest and smoke work together to do a mathematical forcasting initiiative for ben to see how he needs to tweak the timeline???
well that was an average episode.
something i wanted your opinions on is a noise that first appeared in episode 4 when kate took miles a drink at the boat house, it also appeareci nepisode 6, after juliet leaves jack to catch up with faraday, it cuts to othersville, and the noise can be heard. I kind of sounds like the hurley bird.
the 5 second wav file can be downloaded here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/98005664/Hurley_Bird.wav
Dale, that was bugging me too! It almost sounded human as well, and it even turned Kates head. I sent DarkUFO a note about it, asking if any audio peeps had checked it out, but he said not yet.
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Ok it can quit snowing anytime now.
This is my son's car the drift beside it is 20 inches deep.
Sayid'sgirl: Just have to say: It's 80 degrees here in the LA area! Sorry!
2costa: Like your take on Harper (not Parker) being Ben's mole in his people's heads! She can report to him what their vulnerable spots are and then he can figure out a way to manipulate and use that!
maven
That's ok. It's suppose to get back up near 50 by Tuesday so it won't last to long. Just annoying we had a 15 in drift at the end of our driveway we cleared it out now it's covered back up again.
So, here's a possibility.
Ben has left Harper in charge of the power plant (or someone else) with instructions to monitor all transmissions off the island and if Jack contacts the boat - she is to initiate the self-destruct sequence.
If that were the case, then he'd be telling the honest truth - Jack, if you make that call - every man woman and child on the island will die.
Dan and Charlotte would be telling the truth - we were stopping this toxic gas release that Ben had planned.
Harper would be telling the truth - Ben is exactly where he wants to be - at that time, he was in the basement of the house(which might have been sealed against exposure). But when the moment of self-destruct passed and he realized that the gas wasn't coming, he conned Locke into letting him out.
And someone mentioned to me yesterday that maybe Ben wanted Juliet to head to the tempest because in the event of a release, the tempest is sealed against the gases somehow. Maybe Ben's basement and the Tempest are the only 2 safe places to be.
So Ben's evil plot was to kill everyone but he and Juliet - leaving them the last two people on earth.
Wow, Lost2010, pretty neat! Especially the "if you make that call" twist, it's very TPTB-esque.
The last few paragraphs are what I was thinking as well. I was having a hard time trying to justify Ben leaving the basement then, but what you said makes sense.
Yuk, maybe Ben and Juliet are Adam and Eve. Poor Jules.
Hi All. Long time no see and all.
I think Ben was only telling Locke what he needed to get his way. That doesn't mean it was all lies, but I agree that it's unlikely that Widmore plans to turn the island into a money spinner. That guy has huge amounts of money and there is only so much money you could make from an island so hard to get to that tends to kill people that approach it.
I think it's pretty obvious at this stage (if it was ever not obvious) who Ben's man on the boat is. That could also be the same person that helped Desmond & Sayid in the previous episode.
I do not believe Widmore is working with The Hanso Foundation. If he was I don't see why he would need to risk getting that journal via a public auction. Unless it is just part of making an already complex freckage plot even more complex. The Hanso Foundation knows the island and has it's own agenda, even Mittlewerk was pursuing that end and I don't think Widmore is remotely interested in saving the world. As far as I can see the links go no further then establishing how Widmore found out about the island.
Anyway that's all I have for now. I'm working on a new bullets (massively overdue I know, but I seem to have little time spare these days).
Nice Lost2010. I like it. Would the fact that Kate broke a window to get Miles into see Ben ruin his plan for his own safety? JK.
Sayid's Girl, I'm with you on the snow. We had to delay leaving on Spring Break for a day because we had 8 inches of snow this morning and it wasn't going to get above freezing for most of the 500 miles we were planning to travel today. Hopefully all the jack-knifed tractor trailers will be removed from I-40 by tomorrow. We did get to make a nice snowman complete with a snowdog this morning though.
This is from Gitsie Girl: I’m wondering if Juliet somehow did figure out why the women keep dying but that Ben has sabotaged her research because it will keep her on the island. That's an interesting idea, isn't it?
Be sure and check out Fishbiscuit's recap. It has some definite LOL moments.
Somewhere I read how is it that Daniel can't remember 3 cards, but he can remember how to neutralize Ben's gas?
Finally, this may be it for me for a week. Once we finally get going tomorrow morning I usually don't have good iPhone coverage to the place where we're going. I'll look forward to catching up with everyone in about a week if not sooner.
J. Wood link. Haven't read it yet.
Have a safe trip Memphish!
BTW, Hi Fenris! Have you noticed how this week so many are talking about our favorite theory of the Id Monster from Forbidden Planet? What took them so long?! :-) Looking forward to your Bullets, as always.
ew, Ben and Juliet as Adam and Eve. Say it ain't so!
If I were Juliet, Ben's declaration of ownership would have made me determine that he would NEVER have me. Not even if he were the last man left alive!
Again, I say EW.
have a great vacation, Memphish.
I hope you feel better, Capcom.
Hi Fenris, ltns!
Lost2010, I like your theory about the automatic trigger for the Tempest.
If Harper's last name was Stanhope, was Goodwin's name Goodwin Stanhope? All this time I thought Goodwin was his last name...now I think different.
Finally, new Bullet Points is up
Also my post seems to have vanished from earlier, but what I said was I agree with Memphis about Widmore's goals, I can't see this being about money. Widmore has enough of that already and the island doesn't really seem like a great tourist attraction given the dangers.
That aside I don't think Ben lied about him being behind the Freighter.
On a side note, perhaps Bens man on the inside (aka the worst kept secret ever) was also meant to be the one inside "Maxwell" passing info on to Sam in Find 815. We know none of that was cannon so it's not Lost related directly but I wonder if that was where they got the idea. If we assume Maxwell = Widmore then we have essentially a mission by Widmore to find the island posing as finding Black Rock and "the inside man" working for Ben throwing them off by getting Sam on the boat and directing him to the freckage.
Weird, blogger seems to be time traveling for me. Lol. I just had comments from like an hour ago until I posted again then it came back to real time.
Capcom - Lol yes. Certainly it's not beyond sci-fi's to delve into ideas from other sci-fi's (I'm sure startrek used that idea many times over).
memphish
Be safe out there. Hopefully the roads will be cleared for you. Have a good time.
Capcom
Sorry to here you're sick. This year seems to have been a bad year for flu and other viruses.
amused
I know. They use last names so often among themselves, I was thinking Goodwin was his last name too.
Have a safe and fun trip, Memphish!
Fenris: Great to see you back here. Will check out Bullet Points shortly.
Amuses & Sayid'sgirl: I know. I always thought Goodwin was his last name. What kinda name is that? LOL And Goodwin Stanhope is even weirder!
Lost 2010: Love your point about Ben and the gas plan. It does make so much TPTB sense. The "Jack if you make that call..." speech really has more meaning.
Harper is a fairly strange first name as well. Maybe it's TPTB saying that Otherton is like the Harper Valley PTA! :o)
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