In this episode, hosts David A Dein and Steve "The Goog" Guglich go back to where it all began and unpack season 1 episode 1 of the hit ABC program LOST. Along the way they regress Ethan to a little boy, and triumphantly declare "MEDOWLARK LEMON IS JACOB." Got a comment or a question? Join in by sending an e-mail to TLCPodcast@gmail.com or by calling 732-564-4763.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 254 of 254Congratulations To you and your wife Thrasher.(Thrasher 08)
I just realized I typed trasher instead of thrasher. Sorry...
Congrats Thrasher and Mrs. Thrasher! Looks like Admin beat you out though. :o) And you're going to be a little occupied around the time that Season 4 starts up again! Maybe you could name a boy Damelton Cuselof. :o)
Dead Zone certainly was strange Melissa! And thank you, I thought that JJ looked a different last night again! Sheesh. Maybe the other kids got Walt-Syndrome, i.e., growing up out of the show too soon. :o)
The new Lost mag is out. Pretty good, but I would have liked more on the S3 finale. That's supposed to be in the next one.
Hi IB4UC.
Too bad Locke blew up all those instruction manuals, Memphish!
I am used to it ib4cu!!
I like Thrasher08!!
Nice one!!!
The name game will be hard, our nephew is Jack and my sister is a Kate...hmmm
I am not big on keeping names in the family, plus my dad's name is my middle name and our grand parents names are both unusual and plain, (Oren, Janet, Ramona etc.) we kind of talked about it before all of this and like Tanner Nicholas for a boy (T.N.T) and Olivia Rose for a girl...if this is the hardest thing we have to decide on right now that would be great!!
I know David beat us out, but it is all good!!!
Wow, I just finished catching up on the FARG - I can't believe it's over already! Pretty good job on it, though. :)
capcom - that's what I figured about JJ. He's probably about 19 by now, and 6 feet tall!
:::::waving hi back to everyone:::
I'm hoping to contribute more once things slow down here at work. Until then...
What was the FARG?
I do miss those days of hunting for clues and the creepy hanso site music....ahh the good ol' days
Melissa, what was the final act in the FARG? That they sent bunches of letters to Jack to get drunk and the Legion demon flew out? :o) And what was Kate's secret?
I read yesterday's and today's pages so fast to skim and catch up, and then all of a sudden I was reading that it was over!
Wow...Congrats to Mr and Mrs. Thrasher! This is so exciting...there's such a population boom here (no island fertility problems LOL). With Admin, Shellma and you...and, of course, my Grandchild due in September! We'll keep this blog going for generations to come!
That would be sweet Maven!!! I'm going to have to see if they make Dharma onesies!!
I just found one that says...
Every 108|00 minutes and can go on anything...at cafepress...cool...
Thrasher: I got the cutest Numbers Blocks onesie already from CafePress.
As I understood it, Jack was infected with some kind of virus called Legion that was controlling him. Mittelwerk was going to release Jack into the world so that he would infect others. Kate and Penny (and oddly, Desmond) were trying to find him and they figured out somehow that Legion couldn't control Jack if he was unconscious.
I think they wanted the players to distract him with e-mails so they could sneak up and shoot him with a dart, but people decided to try to make Jack woozy by trying to convince him to have a drink. :) It was pretty funny.
They never said what Kate's secret was, so maybe they are leaving it open for another game later. This one ended with everyone flying off into the sunset. :)
Thrasher - some fan made up an ARG that combined the events of the finale with TLE, where Kate and Jack were trying to stop Mittelwerk from releasing spider protocol. I didn't have a chance to play, just followed along on a forum, but it seemed to be really well done.
Maybe this is old but I thought it very funny...clicky clicky
Capcom said: Melissa, what was the final act in the FARG? That they sent bunches of letters to Jack to get drunk and the Legion demon flew out? :o) And what was Kate's secret?
From what I understand, Jack was rescued by Penny's men (one was killed) and emails were thanking everyone for helping out. We didn't find out Kate's secret (they left that door open). Then they typed "what's that?" and "uh oh" and nothing. We saw a clip of a newspaper article saying an executive jet was missing over the Pacific!
The PM said congratulations to all and they might be back with more stuff...time permitting.
Hey thanks Maven and Melissa!
Tao of Sawyer is funny Thrasher!
my kids are 12 and 5 respectivly they are like Walt in that they show up in strange places.
congrats Chad, my son is named Conan Costa, he is twelve now. It made sense at the time Andre the Giant: Conan the barbarian. Admittedly it was during my college years and my brain was more addled than now,which isnt saying much
Thrasher: Here is the Numbers Block onesie!
I've always thought Jack was going to turn into some sort of Manchurian Candidate because of his week with the Others. I'm glad to see the FARG used that idea.
I heard someone on a podcast suggest that the death in the flash forward of TTLG was meant to trigger something in Jack -- either the desire to end it all or the desire to take action. I don't think that's the case given how "coincidental" it was that Jack saw the article, but it's still an interesting idea.
Nice Tao of Sawyer Thrasher.
That would be verrrrrry interesting if TPTB used Jack as some kind of Manchurian Lostaway Memphish! I could get into that. It would make it easier to dislike him too. :o) Although I did really like and feel sorry for Raymond by the end of (the original) Manchurian Candidate.
BTW, anyone know anything about the RPG that's talked about on Station Zero? I haven't read the forum details yet, of course.
http://www.stationzer0.com/
Hey Capcom, I just saw that Picture of Dorian Gray is on TCM tonight at 10 Eastern. I'm still thinking that's the secret to Alpert's non-aging. More info. from the Michael Emerson interview on Comic News Insider -- ME also pointed out that Alpert hadn't aged in TMBTC, just gotten a haircut and new clothes.
Oh yeah, in the latest Lost issue, a fan asks Damon if Dez really traveled "through time back to 1996" and his answer is....."Yes!!!" (exclaimation marks his).
I think that answer was worth the price of the issue, whether I like the answer or not. :-)
Tx for the headsup Memphish! Interesting info on RA as well. Hmmmm.
well, it gives a definitive answer I suppose. not exactly one i care for, but eh.......
oh well.
was that a twighlight zone episode too with the painting in the attic and the lady that didnt age???
That was cool Maven!!!
congrats thrasher!!!
btw.............4-3-07!!!!!
I'm Lost, pun intended on 2 fronts...
When is next season starting?
What does 4-3-07 mean Chucklez?
Capcom said: BTW, anyone know anything about the RPG that's talked about on Station Zero?
I saw that, too. I've never played a RPG before. Has anyone here done that? Is it fun?
It looks like an old D&D type novel-style adventure...not really engaging to me....
thrasher: that's the date transformers starts!!!!
come on maaannn!!!!
maven: yes. I played RIFTS in the marine corps. many a nights passed in japan doing that. hahaha.
I thought it started July 4th, Chucklez (according to commercials on TV). I'm sure Thrasher is counting the minutes...LOL
Yeah, I just read the rules for the RPG over at stationZero. It seems a little too much time consuming for me to get involved in. And too much thought!
maven: they moved it up. trust me, i'm all over it!!
Well, they REALLY must have moved it up because 4-3-07 is April 3, 2007! lol
whoops. sorry maven. you know what i meant. hahahaha.
i meant 7-3-07.
had the 4th in my head i guess.
NP
So I'm pressing on in Hearts in Atlantis and I come across this in reference to another William Golding book The Inheritors.
The family you meet first . . . they're Neanderthals. The second familiy--only that one's really a tribe . . . are Cro-Magnons. The Cro Magnons are the inheritors. What happens between the two groups satisfies the definition of tragedy: events tending toward an unhappy outcome which cannot be avoided.
And it dawns on me -- LOST isn't just a drama, it's a tragedy like Hamlet. Does anyone write tragedies anymore? Is that why Jack's fate in TTLG was so disconcerting because we don't know how to deal with tragedy in fiction anymore? This is dredging up high school English memories of hubris and fatal flaws. Jack and his obsession with needing to fix something; Locke and his need to belong--these are Shakespearean tragic heroes, not the fairy tale "and they lived happily ever after" heroes. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
So my last post now makes me ask are Adam and Eve in the cave a case of Romeo and Juliet be they Jack and Kate, Kate and Sawyer, Alex and Karl? Is it a mistaken, tragic, suicide/suicide?
Congrats to Thrasher and Mrs Thrasher!
I guess when someone said "you could have a baby during the hiatus" you took it seriously! lol
Seriously, that is very good news!
I hope you had a happy Father's Day, you Father to be , you;-)
Memphish,
On the note of it being a tragedy...Didn't Darlton say that Lost's ending would be bittersweet? Maybe like Charlie's death, we'd have to accept where they take the story, even if we don't really like it.
I am anticipating/dreading the last Harry Potter story the same way. I think Harry must die, and if that is how it must be I'll accept it but I really want Rowling to find a way for Harry to live and kill Voldemort once and for all. Ah well, I'm not the writer; just a passenger on her merry ride.
I could handle a tragedy, as long as it makes some kind of sense (inescapable fate sort of thing). I just hope it's not a cheesy cliche thing. That would make me feel like that 6 years I invested in Lost were a waste of time, and that would make me angry.
Congrats Thrasher!!! Kids are great.
Amused2behere, thanks for the tragedy comments. I've been trying to think of some other, more modern examples of tragedy and Cold Mountain came to mind. I never watched the end of that movie because I knew from the book what was coming. Of course, there's West Side Story too, but that came from Romeo and Juliet, and I tend to stop watching that before the rumble too. I think I'm tragedy averse.
Hey LoCos can you think of some modern fictional tragedies--book, play, film?
Can post-modern Americans handle endings that aren't tied up with a bow and they all live happily ever after? Response to The Sopranos ending suggests not, but response to the Heroes finally suggests we don't want a hastily tied bow either.
Chucklez, that is what had me scratching my head, I know it was bumped up to 7-3-07 and I already have plans on going, 3-4-07 didn't make sense...no worries....
Memphish, I have never seen the Soprano's but according to they things I have read and heard is that the ending left things up in the air. I kind of liked this approach to the ending, it let the viewer formulate it's own conclusion. It also will keep the show in the lime light, especially at the water cooler!! I guess if Lost ended poorly I would be upset, but that depends on my interpretation of bad. I guess them saying, "yep, it is purgatory after all" would really upset me.
Hey, memphish - I really like your ideas about the modern tragedy (and less modern tragedy, like Hamlet). I think that Hamlet is a great parallel to Jack - he went to the greatest lengths to punish his uncle and save his kingdom, but he paid the ultimate price in the end. Jack also has that obsessive need to put things right, or at least right in his opinion.
I think in modern storytelling, a lot of the tragic stories tend to be horror and/or sci-fi. Even something as simple as a movie like Halloween - the heroine fights the killer off, sees all of her friends die, loses her innocence and eventually part of her sanity, and the killer still gets away at the end. Maybe a better example of this is the story of The Ring. The American movie is a bit cheesy in my opinion, but the original Japanese trilogy of novels are fantastic. Not to give too much away, because the books do end differently from teh movie, but there is that hopelessness at the end, where the heroes think that they have beaten the curse, only to discover that it is much worse than they suspected.
One of my favorite modern stories is the musical Rent. That one falls into the bittersweet category, I think. At the end, all of the couples are together and the friends are happy (aside from one who dies earlier in the show), but you know that it's the early 90s, three of the characters have AIDS, and they are probably going to die before too long.
As far as the show goes - my guess on the bittersweet ending is that things will be resolved with the others/Jacob, etc, but the Losties will have to stay on the island in the end.
Melissa_Lossa -- I thought of Rent too, but it's not really modern either. It's taken from La Boehem (sp?). I think TTLG Future Jack is definitely Hamlet like, or arguably like Mark Antony in Julius Caesar as well. It's interesting though that these days you don't see many "and they all died and were miserable" endings, or at least I don't. And even in Rent, didn't they have some characters survive "happily" even if their long-term prognosis wasn't good?
I have a silly LOST question on my blog today. Check it out at your own peril.
memphish, true, Rent is based on an opera. There are three characters with AIDS and three without at the end. Everyone is together and happy, and no one seems to be in immediate danger anymore, but there's still that shadow over everyone.
I really can't think of any modern stories where things are just flat out bad at the end. Even if things aren't completely resolved at the end, there's usually that ray of hope that things are starting to turn around.
Memphish....
Too funny! At last a "Lost" answer that makes sense LOL
In regards to yesterday's question. They don't follow the food drop because they can't. I believe the food drop is local. In other words the food is produced somewhere else on the island or maybe under it.
Naomi's arrival on the island is proof that it would be near imposssible to accomplish a silent food drop as witnessed earlier by the survivors. A hot air balloon comes to mind for a silent mode of delivery. Just a thought.
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