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Monday, February 12, 2007
The Lost Community Podcast - Episode 11
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What is with the glasses I wonder?
: )
Why have light come out from them? What is the reason for this film he was watching?
Clockwork orange anyone?
R2K
Wow, you guys are quick :)
if this is the case, I think that it will help a theory i had before that these people were INDEED brought there intentionally. The breakup of the plane was unforeseen, but they WERE supposed to have been (somehow) all brought together and to the island.
Don't forget, sometime this past year, we saw the DHARMA logo on the plane wreckage.
One of the outer panels.
hey dennis, a new episode of daybreak is up at abc.com. I still need to catch up, though. I will be watching an episode at lunch today
Aww crap didnt make first : )
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I can't believe how fast you guys are.
Now that we have a new link I'm want to see what you guys think about the spider hole that Alex put Sawyer and Kate in.
Discounting time manipulation, Ben has been on the Island his whole life which according to Jack's expert x-ray knowledge is 40-odd years. Dharma came the Island in the 70s which is 30-odd years. Sawyer asks Alex if digging is her hobby and years of being raised by Ben allowed her to come back quickly with yeah and basket weaving too.
Here's what I think about the spider holes though. I think Ben's family dug the various spider holes around however many islands there might be in order to spy on the Dharma people. He later shows them all to Alex in various father/daughter bonding moments over the course of her lifetime and now she's using them to her advantage.
I wonder how many more of you have posted since I started typing this?
Memphish mentioned this in the previous thread..
A New Official ABC Lost Podcast is also available today.
JGZ350 said...hey dennis, a new episode of Day Break is up at ABC.com.
Thanks! :) I started a new Day Break thread at TivoCommunity to discuss the new episode. However, I won't be able to watch it until tonight.
Memphish, so you are saying that Ben was living on the island when the Dharma Initiative began construction of the various hatches on craphole island? I do not believe Ben when he said he has lived there his whole life. I think he is lying when he said that just like he lied to Jack and Jules about getting them off that godforsaken island.
jgz350, Yes. I don't know why I'd believe that one thing Ben said, but yes.
r2K, heard that the glasses are a Donny Darko reference. I don't know anything about Donny Darko, but supposedly it has something to do with time maniuplation.
Ben definitely wants off the island himself. we've been clued in on that.
With that said, if you've known nothing but a certain way of life for all those years, you might not be so "quick" to want to leave. Ben seems to "miss" something. Simple freedom perhaps? Revenge? Dunno.
Donny Darko was great. You should check it out, but be patient. it's worth it in the end.
and yeah. it does have a bit to do with time travel.
Ben is a liar and a master manipulator. He hasn't lived there all his life. Maybe he was had some formal training in room 23 and thus he 'thinks' he has been there his whole life.
Who the heck is Danny Darko and how would those glasses manipulate time?
Good day fellow locos...
I think anything that comes out of Ben's mouth is a lie -- he's not given us a reason to believe otherwise.
Well, maybe when he told Sawyer there were 2 islands.
hey luckyguy, how were you able to record it?
ib4uc said:I think anything that comes out of Ben's mouth is a lie -- he's not given us a reason to believe otherwise. You're right, and yet he appeals to Jack as a gentleman, and Jack buys it. Maybe Jack's already been in Room 23?
chucklez3 said...
Ben definitely wants off the island himself. we've been clued in on that.
Could you refresh my memory? I can't figure out when he would have indicated he wanted off the island.
don't remember anything about glasses. but Donni Darko stars Jake Gylenhaal. again, don't recall the glasses in that movie, though.
ib4uc: didn't Ben say he would leave WITH jack?
maybe, i'm hearing crap.
memphish... I think Kate has already visited Room 23 as her wrists showed. And she doesn't tell Sawyer where she was because maybe she doesn't remember. That could also account for her change in aggression.
As far as Jack, I never thought of him being put in Room 23 but he's so trusting towards Ben/Juliet that it makes sense he was maybe brainwashed also.
chucklez3... no, I don't think you're hearing crap. I just couldn't recall when Ben gave any kind of sign he wanted to leave the island.
Chucklez and ib4uc, Ben did say he would take Jack home. Hopefully Jack will have time to teach him the ways of baseball before then since it was obvious Ben didn't get the significance of what the Red Sox did.
ib4uc I also agree about Kate and the room. Or at least I hope something like that happened to her because I do need some explanation for the wrist scars (which were noticeably absent in The Pilot despite her struggles with them there) and for her docile behavior from the time she "turned the tables on them" in Live Together, Die Alone and her willingness to shoot Aldo in the knee this past week.
i'll buy the kate thing. maybe this could explain why she's bringing people back for jack. maybe she's supposed to bring them back.
however, maybe jack was too. this is all just a ploy to get more back to the smaller island.
Sawyer would be the only one that hasn't experienced the brainwashing yet.
That would suck, cuz kate and jack's lives are "numbered" then. something could potentially happen, if they're not "converted" back to rational thought.
Meaning, if they have been brainwashed to working with the others, then they stand a chance to "try to kill other losties" or what have you.
Which also leads me to think.........what might walt have done to poor michael??? haha
eh..
Ben could've also meant that somewhere on the island IS jack's home now.
Nothing Michael didn't earn, Chucklez.
Kate look rather amazed upon entering room 23. Somehow I don't think she was there before. But Sawyer on the other hand, immediately becomes entranced with the screen, and only snaps out of it when Kate yells at him.
.......continued from my kate and jack thing.
basically, if they'r brainwashed and it's discovered by the other losties that they have in fact been leading sheep to the slaughter, then the losties may turn on them and try to "off them".
christine: maybe it's geared to men somehow. the room, that is.
lol, no comments on that one.
I think the room is used to cleanse the viewer or rebellious/ disobediant behavior. Room 23 might be the room where they put Walt in, to try and make him more willing to become one of them. Maybe since Karl was being disobiediant by messing around with the boss' "daughter", they were trying to wash the behavior out of him. It seems that is where they place you if you are in trouble.
yes, but seems to be only men and the fact that sawyer was affected by the "film" immediately and the two women were NOT, makes me honestly believe that it's geared toward men somehow.
Yeah, if it was for women there would have been scenes of Sawyer/Jack/Sayid/Desmond, take your pick, with their shirts off. Which would only have confused Kate more.
kate or YOU, memphish?? hahahaha
I am not confused. I'm a Jack girl all the way. Though his next flashback may end that.
Weren't we talking about the believing the simplest answer? I don't believe the film affects men more than women, I believe Sawyer was shocked by it as much as I was and wanted to see what they had the poor kid watching...
PS. 5 tries to post this time.
hahaha.
eh.....just meant that i don't think kate has shown interest toward desmond or sayid, so i doubt it woulda added confusion to her already disoriented mind.
difference is, sawyer was very much "into" it. he didn't respond initially and had that "deer caught in the headlights" look.
Can someone tell me what was the date Alvar Hanso went missing? I looked briefly on LostPedia, but couldn't find it. Thanks.
just a sec. i have it.
FYI... ABC.com says "Not in Portland" will air again this Wednesday at 9:00.
I get that look whenever a Lost promo comes on, I hear the intro music, I see some form of the numbers Etc. So the brain washing is working on me!!
december 31, 2002.
ib4uc, I'm sure that's just that crack internet team over there at ABC. Can you imagine what would happen if that was the case after all the 16 straight weeks promos. They'd lose the 14 million of us left.
Thanks Chucklez. So that means he was still in charge at Hanso when Mittelos recruited Juliet.
chucklez3 said... Ben could've also meant that somewhere on the island IS jack's home now.
No. It's pretty clear from the scene that Ben meant he would take Jack back to the "real world":
From "The Glass Ballerina"
[Ben turns toward the cart that was rolled in the turns on a TV. It shows the Red Sox winning the World Series. Jack moves toward the TV in disbelief and watches the end of the game. Ben turns the TV off.]
BEN: That's home, Jack. Right there, on the other side of that glass. And if you listen to me -- if you trust me -- if you do what I tell you when the time comes -- I'll take you there. I will take you home.
chucklez3 said... difference is, sawyer was very much "into" it. he didn't respond initially and had that "deer caught in the headlights" look.
Sawyer might be clever, but he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
ib4uc, Sorry I didn't understand. They are going to pre-empt George Lopez or According to Jim re-runs? Stop the presses.
however, the thing that perplexes me is this:
London: June 14, 2000
Copenhagen: November 12, 2000
Paris: February 23, 2001
Geneva: July 12, 2001
Rome: September 18, 2001
then back to Geneva and Copenhagen, then off the map (Greenland maybe)
Copenhagen (yet again): January 1, 2001
Madrid: December 31, 2002
i noticed back THEN that he did some sort of "time travel". anyone else??
memphish. no. that was the last time he was seen.
the first of the "random sightings" was in 2000. therefore, he was already "missing" from the foundation BEFORE Juliet.
dennis: so......what? Sawyer we enchanted by the "pretty lights"???
meant to say, "......Sawyer *was....."
I'm feeling like a deer caught in headlights now with all this time travel stuff. I'll be back later.
memphish said... ib4uc, I'm sure that's just that crack internet team over there at ABC. Can you imagine what would happen if that was the case after all the 16 straight weeks promos. They'd lose the 14 million of us left.
The ABC Wednesday lineup changes again. :)
I heard a commercial for this last night on ABC. "Encore" episode of Lost at 9:00, and a new episode of Lost at 10:00.
According to Zap2it, they are going to do this the following week as well, then back with a new "According to Jim" on the 28th.
yeah, they advertised that saturday on tv.
last week's eppy first, then the new one, of course.
chucklez3 said... o......what? Sawyer was enchanted by the "pretty lights"???
Yep. It doesn't take much to distract Sawyer. Ask Anna Lucia how she got his gun ;)
I get distracted easily with giant screen TV's too, so maybe Sawyer was mising his HDTV.
dennis: that was cuz of ummm........"kitty, kitty". not because he's simple.
any heterosexual man coulda' fell for THAT one.
I agree with you Christine, I think that the psych room is for making people more obedient/responsive, etc., when they've been "bad" and rebelious. And also maybe, as sort of a psychological "maintenance" program for the regular screw-ups. Of course I'm sure that Alex, Little Miss Ben's Daughter never gets put into The Room (or so the other Others might jealously say).
The light-glasses for The Room might just be a kinder and gentler for TV way of keeping the victim awake, rather then putting pinned-back eyelids on TV, a la "Clockwork". We saw enough of that kind of thing on the X-Files and Millenium, with the sewed-shut eyelids. :-p
Yeah, Memphish, until the next Jack flashback, bleeah. If she's his type, double-bleah!
I think that Occam's razor only works in the real world, not in the minds of TPTB. If it did, Eko would have merely tripped on a rockand fallen off a cliff to his death! :o)
Sawyer definitely had the deer-in-headlights look Chucklez. Perhaps they do have gender oriented vids as someone mentioned. Maybe there are shots of the Swedish Bikini Team and the Dallas Cheerleaders thrown into the mix for the male oriented films!
hmmm........yeah. big screen tvs with flowers, fish heads and random quotes, while 120 decibles of screeching noise in the background?
sorry. not me. hahaha.
football or women, sure. hahaha. maybe even cars.
Right Thrasher, if I was a Lostaway I would be saying, "OMG! TV! YES!!!!!!! Thank you Lord!!!", and I'd pull up the nearest chair. :o)
nah. bad noise, random, incoherent images........
hell no. reminds me too much of sublymonal.com.
ugh!
jay-walker!!!
where's that damn bus now??
chucklez3... you crack me up!
To Passafist and Goog,
Just wanted to say that the latest podcast was a really good one.
Three things that stood out for me:
1. The rant at the beginning about how the whining of Lost fans has affected TPTB and may actually be hurting the show: funny and interesting.
2. Dark Angel's speculation about the nature of the flashbacks in the next episode (3.8): I like that idea, I think it'll happen, and wish I had thought of it.
3. Engineer's speculation that Rachel might have originally been a man: I don't agree, but a very interesting theory nonetheless.
Memphish said:
Chris from the LostChicks podcast also made a good observation about Juliet. She is an Other, so she crossed in the real world with another Other, Ethan whereas our Losties have crossed with other Losties.
To me it didn't seem the same as a crossing the losties would have seen. It was just that Ethan was there to check up on what Juliet was doing to/with her sister.
They even say something about doing their research into people.
If you saw someone else besides Ethan who you could only baerly tell it was him, I would have to agree... but I don't... not yet anyway.
R2K Said:
What is with the glasses I wonder?
: )
Why have light come out from them? What is the reason for this film he was watching?
Clockwork orange anyone?
When I first saw the glasses the thing that crossed my mind was S.A.D. (seasonal *blah* Depression) or whatever it is called when not seeing the sun makes you depressed and lazy. The glasses if they represent sunlight would help keep the person compliant, at ease, and maybe evan in a good mood. As well they may prevent the body from dishing out the chemicals that allow you to sleep, which would make the brainwashing that much more effective.
Chucklez3 said:
if this is the case, I think that it will help a theory i had before that these people were INDEED brought there intentionally. The breakup of the plane was unforeseen, but they WERE supposed to have been (somehow) all brought together and to the island.
Don't forget, sometime this past year, we saw the DHARMA logo on the plane wreckage.
One of the outer panels.
That was debugged by TPTB in one of the Podcasts. They said it was just a coincidence in the way light played off of the planes outer shell after they had beaten it up to look like it had been in a real crash. That was never meant to be a Dharma Symbol and if they write it in now I will have to hunt them down and destroy them with a Bus.
I've been thinking about the Room 23 images. Maybe too much. ;) I googled the symbolism of goldfish and bugs. There were lots of references of goldfish symbolising prosperity and fertility.
Not so many for bugs. What little I found said that beetles represented hate and destruction; ants and bees were for industry, butterflies for metamorphosis, scorpions for betrayal, and scarabs for resurrection.
"They said it was just a coincidence in the way light played off of the planes outer shell after they had beaten it up to look like it had been in a real crash."????????????
ummm.......yeah, and the suns rays reflected off a weather balloon, causing some visions of what really wasn't there. it wasn't a UFO, it was a mr. potato head propelled from a make-shift sling-shot...........what the hell?
how does an outer shell get "beaten up" to look just like the dharma logo??
hahahahahaha. that's rich.
Podcast was great, guys, as usual. Very well done, and a lot of interesting ideas thrown out.
Kudos to the opening segment re fan whining and never being happy! Don't look a gift horse in the mouth...or don't bite off the hand the feeds you...or whatever! LOL I know us severe fans will never be happy...that unhappiness and/or confusion leads to great discussions. The ratings right now are not the greatest, and we don't want to lose any more viewers. And we especially don't want to hurt the show and give the impression that we're disappointed. I'm sure ABC is aware of all we complain about.
Also, the idea that Rachel is Robert is intriguing and would tie in to the male mouse research. Remember Locke was supposedly an "immaculate conception", too (although that was way before Juliette's time.) Wasn't there a movie with a pregnant Arnold Swarzenegger?
I agree with you, David, that a snag was hit on the island about fertility being effected by the EM and wombs are aging prematurely. That would definitely be a problem with repopulating the earth after Valenzetti.
Hey Chuckie,
I didn't say it they did. It also had something to do with the natrual shape of the plane and it doesn't even look like a dharma symbol... if you are reffering to the picture from season one with Walt walking away from the plane, it looks like half an octagon and is definitely not the Dharma symbol.Very close, but not it...
Here is the pic I am thinking you are talking about...
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=14867&fullsize=1
oh i know jezter. i'm making fun of their ridiculous "excuse"/explanation.
look what i found.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e284/chucklez3/JOOP.jpg
hahahaha. eh.....had 5 minutes handy.
actually, i saw another picture before. i don't even see what you're talking about in this one.
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7007/dplanebig13cc.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3069/dplaneb0nn.jpg
of course, both of those are from imageshack, so could be fake anyway.
but i still can't find the one i saw.
eh.
plane - signed by the crew. no denying THIS!!!
http://flytristar.tripod.com/images/delta-gb/j_wilkinson/jw09.jpg
http://www.l1011.homestead.com/files/181_1_.jpg
http://www.l1011.homestead.com/files/l1011073101d_1_.jpg
So Room 23 is in a Hydra facility. Does this mean that Dharma was brainwashing animals? If they were trying to make the polar bears less violent, it didn't appear to work, at least I'm guessing the Pearl station worker/s found that to be the case.
On a slightly more serious note. Anyone think Danielle may have spent some hours/days/years in Room 23? She seems utterly convinced of her story despite the apparent holes in it like never seeing the Others in 16 years.
Now that you mention Danielle, I am starting to wonder if she is not part of another other's group. Isn't a bit strange that she knew Ben was an other when she caught him in her trap? By the way, I wonder what she has been up to since we last saw her, which was, I believe 'Maternity Leave'. I don't think she has spent any time in Room 23 and I don't think she even knows of the other island(s), just speculation on my part.
Well if Danielle doesn't know anything about other islands then she easily wins Least Curious Castaway Award in the history of castaways. People complain all the time about how incurious (non-curious) the Flight 815 survivors are, but Danielle if her story is straight up makes them look like a certain curious monkey that was kidnapped by a man in a yellow hat.
Chuklez,
I'm so glad that someone else is talking about the gender issue with the room. A theory is that perhaps they don't have or don't use the brainwashing for the women because they're so RARE and so PRECIOUS to the island. Sawyer's reaction wasn't a familiarity thing but a gender thing.
Another possibility with the relationship between Karl and Alex being forbidden could be that sex and therefore possible pregnency is highly regulated. Mr. Friendly is gay, and was probably hired with the knowledge of that and since it's kinda come up, it isn't likely that it's by accident. Pickett and the dead woman were possibly set up (arranged marriage like). Kinda unfortunate that their story is all done with his death. :(
thanks k.b.
yeah, i think the women can't be "tampered" with for "motherly" reasons.
men are being reduced to "cro-magnon" type ways. provide, hunt, kill, protect.
that kind of thing. Ben hasn't been "tainted" by the brainwashing, etc. however.
just a thought.
Over on the ABC website I was looking at the merchandise and saw this t-shirt that talks about the "Future of the Project." What does this refer to? What's the Project? Sorry in advance if this is a totally stupid, brain dead question.
i have no clue.
there are lots of projects.
human genome project???
Figured it out. It's a reference to Marvin Candle. "The future of the project is in your hand."
my mouse?
memphis, I guess that 'Not in Portland' is all talked out that we are reduced to looking at Lost merchandise over at abc.com. Don't feel bad, I did the same earlier today.
If you want something to tide you over til our next fix of Lost, check out Day Break. That show keeps getting better and better with each new episode.
Off topic, anybody see 24 tonight? Ouch on the scene with Morris and the bat and the drill, that had to have been painful. That scene was almost as bad as when Sawyer was getting his lunch handed to him by Pickett over and over again. BTW, that was so cool when Sawyer finally got to 'tune up' Pickett, he deserved that and more.
I still believe that room 23 is intended to be for disobediant behavior, regardless of gender. Speaking on that note, have we ever seen a young girl other? Besides alex, who of course was not born by the others (to our knowledge), I have seen only male offspring? Any thoughts on this? The only fact we have to this gender thing is that sawyer was transfixed. I dont believe its because he's male, but rather having deja vu. the girls didnt look at the screen long enough to become transfixed. Maybe you guys are reading into this gender thing too much? Just a thought.
I agree Christine, the gender issue to me is just a fun idea to play around with, but in truth I don't think that the psych video needs to be geared that way either. Flashing, rapidly changing images, have been used for hypnosis, and it can work regardless of what kind of images that are used. Specific images would be for purposely trying to implant an idea into the victim's subconscience, such as what you say -- correcting undesirable behavior. In this case, the vid talks about planting good seeds for good fruit (be good and you have a happy life of relative freedom on the island), and being the cause of our own suffering (break the rules and bad things will happen to you, i.e., punishment). I think that Sawyer merely looked too long at the screen and it started to entrance him for there a sec. JMHO.
Luckyguy, maybe Colleen didn't like having to kiss a half-man/half-gorilla! :o)
Day Break Warning
Well, the ABC interns screwed up again :)
For those that are watching Day Break on ABC.com, the most recent episode has an error. Two of the section within the episode are in the wrong order. In order to watch everything in order (and not be confused about why something is happening), you'll need to skip the third section (after the second commercial) and then go back to it after watching the fourth section. Without giving too much away, once you see Hopper pointing a gun at someone under a bridge, skip the next video and then go back to it once you see Hopper with someone gagged in a chair. I'm trying to be vague enough to not cause a spoiler.
I sure am glad I am not forced to stare into a flickering TV screen with flashing images, and loud music, with subliminal messages.... I choose to watch LOST (wink)
dennis,
Thanks for the heads up, man my head would have really been messed up had I watched it like you are suppose to. I can't believe that TPTB at abc are treating Day Break like a step-child. That was a really good show. I sure hope that TPTB let Damon and Carlton do Lost right and not jack it up.
Cheeze-whiz, you're right JGZ! With a really bizarre show like Day Break, if they messed up the order and you didn't know it, you would think that you had really lost track of the show, or your mind! :o)
What the heck is wrong with ABC lately? Or is it Disney? How old are these people???!!! Sad state of affairs there.
Chuckles,
I got roped back into work before, just wanted to say that you
"my mouse?" comment cracked me up...
I don't think Danielle is oblivious to the others. One night sixteen years ago (or whatever) the others roamed into her camp at night (like the tailies) and stole her baby. She lost her noodle and killed her team. The others saw her as an extremely BAD person and decided to just leave her alone and didn't go back to the island until flight 815 fell out the sky. This is why she never saw them. JMHO
Oh and BEN is not gay for Tom... Tom may be gay for Ben, but not vise versa.
JGZ350 said... My head would have really been messed up had I watched it like you are suppose to.
capcom said... With a really bizarre show like Day Break, if they messed up the order and you didn't know it, you would think that you had really lost track of the show, or your mind! :o)
It was VERY confusing :( All of a sudden he's doing stuff he already did, but it hasn't said "Day 2" yet. So I was like "Is this a different day? And how did he get here?" Then when it went back to where it was supposed to be, it was almost like a spoiler for its self.
With all that said, it was still a good episode. :) Only one more to go :(
one of my theories may be supported by "lost time".
i theorized once before (season 1) that they were at some point (with or without an actual crash) put under and awakened later. hence, "lost time". it would also explain the "miracle" of locke's legs, etc.
However, as there are plenty of ideas to support this, there are also plenty that might DISprove it as well......
.......as with damn near everything on the show it seems.
eh.
gets boring in here by yourself.
If the plane broke apart at low altitude, as it appears from episode 3.1, that would explain why people didn't pass out immediately when the tail fell off.
But what I still wan't to know, and have since season 1, is why everyone appeared to pass out AFTER they put on their oxygen masks?
THANK YOU!!!
that was part of my theory, too. that they were "intentionally" put under for whatever reason.
I think that they were supposed to have something filter through the ventilation in the beginning anyway and ultimately land somewhere. (they were awfully low to the ground to be in the middle of the pacific).
the idea was to bring them there for experimentation. However, the accident was not part of the plan, which is why there was a "scramble" to get people to each site.
In the ''death of Mr. Eko'' episode, it was my interpretation that the Monster was able to assume human form, i.e., Eko's brother. Am I crazy for thinking that? And will we learn anything more about the Monster's origins this season?
LINDELOF: You're not crazy. You will see the monster again this season. Its origins, however... well, you'll have to wait.
CUSE: Whether or not you learn more about it will depend on how obsessive you are. If you enjoy recording the program and studying individual frames, you might. But really, is that healthy?
gee.........i have said many times that the smoke did NOT truly grab Eko and do that to him.
Again, it's kind of a "messenger" and perhaps the harbinger of death. But ultimately, you have choices.
Basically, it's what "appeared" to Eko. The "beating" he sustained was basically his body finally FAILING after the polar bear attacks and making his choice and having his "revelation" about his brother.
Back to the crash, there are still too many strange things about that crash for my liking:
1. If the pilot was telling the truth about turning the plane around, didn't anyone notice this they were going in the opposite direction?
2. As you mentioned, chucklez3, why would they be flying so low--unless they were preparing to land? And why didn't anyone seem to notice this either?
3. The Others, in 3.1, seemed surprised that the plane was breaking apart--they had to scramble to make plans, but they didn't necessarily seemed surprised that there was a plane there in the first place.
4. What made the plane's controls fail in the first place (if the pilot can be believed)? The plane was apparently no where near the island at that point.
5. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but people have pointed out that according to the departure and arrival timetables, it should have been night when the plane crashed.
In any event, I think there is a lot more to this crash that has yet to be revealed, and I certainly think that the plane was being brought to the island for a purpose (but probably not meant to crash).
i'm with you blue.
also, we have PROOF that the DHARMA logo is INDEED on the plane, itself!!
look at the pictures of the fuselage that the cast and crew SIGNED!!!
My internet is down today and I'm trying to figure out why. Have to get it fixed by tomorrow. I'm at my mom's right now testing out modems, but of course, I checked here first before goofing with the equipment.
It does seem like we're about talked out on Not in Portland. Guess it's good we've got a new episode tomorrow instead of 12 weeks from now.
I noticed on Heroes last night an octogan shaped mirror in cheerleader Claire's mama's trailer. Maybe she's part of Dharma too.
Hopefully I'll be back with you by this afternoon. Later.
funny.
Disney would have no part of it! hahaha. collaborating with.......*gasp*.......NBC???
hmmm.........i saw a red sign today shaped like an octagon too! i floored it and drove as quickly as possible through that area!!
I wonder what "stop" is an anagram for???
"pots"?? i don't get it.
does this look familiar?? when they were pulling ol' boy from room 23, this was the last image on the wall.
http://www.losthatch.com/images/screen_captures/S2E03_Station_3_Electromagnetism.jpg
mime: yeah, i see it as the "messenger". leads you to make decisions and also "assesses" whether or not you're "ready" for the choice of salvation or damnation.
Locke has not been pushed to the "ultimate" decision as of yet. however, both he and eko have faced it in the "eye" before (while healthy and full of "faith") and lived.
later, eko was on his death-bed and was DETERMINED to WILL himself to survive long enough until he caught up to Yime. Upon doing so, he was faced with that finaly "choice". He was to die at any rate........however, i think it's up to the viewers to decide whether it was the right one or not. (the writers may know in THEIR minds), but we will never know (unless they show Heaven and Hell in the final season). hahahaha.
omg so many comments to catch up on...brb when I'm done, this is just a place-holder...
hahaha.......(in worst possible "jenny" voice from forest gump) "seat's taay-kuhn".
*lifts bowl to mouth and drinks the leftover milk and few flakes of "Blake Flakes".
mmmmm.....mmm!!
that's good!
I deleted my last two comments. They did not clearly express what I was trying to say.
Here is the link to the whispers heard at the time of Eko's death. Special note of #13.
-Now we got his… /I don’t want to kill him (29 sec)
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1259406#post1259406
I see a dual nature in the smoke monster...a reluctant-executioneer
DarkMark and i were discussing Juliet and Walt comparisons a while ago.
here's a snippit:
Chucklez3: maybe she can "persuade" you to do things......
Chucklez3: talking to jack........"talked him into doing the surgery" and "telling him" that he WON'T kill him.
Chucklez3: talking to ex.........subconsciously made him step in front of the bus
Chucklez3: walt.......same thing, but with animals
Chucklez3: and the others tried to "advance" walt to people
DM: hmm interesting
Chucklez3: almost like mind control
Whew! All caught up on the comments. Now I need to listen to the latest podcast, watch the newest Lost moment, and catch an episode of Day Break.
I'm so glad I also don't have to scour Jeep or Verizon sites for clues!
Happy Valentine's Day everyone. I'll get back to you later tonight, keep the great discussions going!
yes, I know Valentine's Day isn't really until tomorrow, but I got my flowers today, and dinner out is on Thursday (scheduling problems), so I've declared Valentine's Day to be stretched over a few days this year.
It's the 14th already in Australia, isn't it? or something like that...
good deal.
so, i'll be even MORE depressed over the next FEW DAYS.
thanks a2bh.
ugh
Well, at least your internet works, Chucklez. I've spent most of the day on my issues, with the net result being a service appointment Thurs. pm. I hope that at least will fix it. Good commenting Wed. night and Thurs. morning everyone.
I'm at work (slow day) and really am glad i have this right now.
anyhoo........life goes on, right?
hahaha.
so here i am........bored.
Aw, Chucklez3, I didn't mean to depress you. You can skip the day if you want.
Memphish, I hope your geek squad can fix your ills. You'll still be able to watch Lost on Wednesday, right? (but you'll have about a thousand comments to catch up on...oops!) See you Thursday.
chuckles3,
Hang in there bro.It will get brighter soon.You rocked with that comment about the jaywalker.And with all that money you would have spent on V-day;get yourself something special to help pass this down time.And you know you can always find one of us hanging out if you get bored. (anagram was post).
Hey, everyone! I, too, think "Not In Portland" is talked out! I can't think of anything new or different to add to the mix here! Need more LOST Wednesday for more "ammunition". (Getting DirectTV tomorrow...hope all goes well and everything gets hooked up so it won't effect my LOST fix! Getting a 73" DLP-HD TV Friday...LOST in HD...finally!)
Did you guys see that HEROES used Gannon Car Rental brochure just like on LOST...great crossover! Saw this on DarkUFO.
a2bh........not your fault. just me.
thanks though.
village: i'll be okay. aaaahhhh......."post". hmmm.......but what does it mean? as soon as i flew past the sign, they came after me in a car with flashing lights and an annoying sound (maybe car number 23)?
hmmm........
oh and thanks (jay-walking kudos)
Yes Memphish, you need to get your computer fixed, as we wouldn't get to have half of the ideas theories we have if you couldn't post. :o) You're the one who takes notes for us! You're the LoCo secretary!
Chucklez, I thought that you were betrothed, what's up? Valentine's day would be an excellent opportunity to say your sorry and/or make up. Don't let the moment pass. :-)
As for the plane, I too think that there are a lot of things that we have missed, or info that was not given to us about it yet. If the magnetic emissions fried the avionics, the pilots would lose control and the plane would begin to lose altitude, so that's why it was so low when it passed over Otherville. (barring the "landing on the island" theory)
I also like the O2/gas in the mask theory. In the first couple eps, they sure made a point to say that Kate was the only one who didn't pass out during the breakup. It took her a long time to get her mask on due to her large "bracelets" being attached to her ankles, and then when she was able to grab her mask, she kindly gave the marshall some air first. So she obviously was getting O2 or mystery gas a lot less or later than everyone else on the plane. Verrrrrrry interesting.
Another thing about the plane is what I noticed when I was looking at the new issue of Lost magazine yesterday. There are some stills of the breakup in the sky, and there is a big black trail of black smoke in and around the pieces of the plane, but not really coming from any specific piece of plane material. That was the first time I ever saw this in stills or caps, and when everything is moving it's dificult to tell what exactly is "in" the smoke, or vise-versa. In the stills, it truly looks like the smoke is independent of the flying wreckage, and is similar to what Eko saw the first time around. I need to go over to the lostcubit site to check that out further. It really looked like Smokey in the mag. If Smokey can lift Eko, perhaps Smokey was supposed to "carry" the plane down to the island? But even after the breakup, Smokey might have been able to bring the fuselage down carefully, so as to save more lives. Where the tail section fits into that theory, I have no clue. Maybe they were expendable, or that fact that they fell into the water saved them. Just brainstorming FWIW.
capcom: thing is, i'm in virginia beach, she's in north jersey. i have to work tomorrow and she leaves with her mom and daughter thursday for cancun.
i sent flowers (roses and lillies) and chocolates.
but my problem is basically not knowing where here mind and heart are right now.
that's why i'm depressed. and so, i'm alone for v-day. yay me. hahaha
eh.
as for the plane, the pulse happened and it destroyed the plane nearly instantly. and as for the idea of the pulse bringing the plane down........simply wouldn't happen like that anyway. a plane "cruises" at NO LOWER than 30,000 feet.
when the anomole happened, the plane tore apart within VIEW of the Others' site!!!
so, nah. i think there's more to it. don't forget, the DHARMA logos on the plane, too.
they were flying THERE in the first place.
and the rational side of me refuses to believe that we're dealing with a cartoon-type entity with smokey. So, maybe it was present, but i seriously doubt it "helped the plane down".
And i don't believe that Eko was REALLY picked up in a fist and tossed around.
Ahhh, I see Chuck. Well, at least you've done the right thing with the gifts. Call her tomorrow, it will mean a lot. Even if you don't catch her, there will be a message. And tell her how lonely you are without her, that works! (Except with stalkers) :o)
Well, I looked at the screens caps on lostmedia (not lostcubit) of the breakup and I really can't tell, it could go either way with the smoke and the plane. I guess we'll just have to wait on this one. Just like whether or not the Smokey-type noise we heard while the plane broke up was really Smokey or just the plane's metal stressing and groaning. :-( I really do like the mystery gas-vs-O2 in the mask theory though!
yeah. i hope. ugh.
Well, didn't the LoCo blog theorize that a magnetic emission can't break up a passenger plane physically, because the body is made up mostly of aluminum and titanium (in addition to various polymers, composites, etc.)? And that magnetism would not really "destroy" a plane in the sense of breaking or blowing it up? All the electronic instrumentation would be fried though, which is basically what the pilot says. Go back to what the pilot told Kate and Jack about things going wacky and having to turn around, and place that in a timeline. They most likely weren't exactly at nominal cruising mode before the breakup, they were having an emergency and reacting to it already. Something happened early in the "event" some time before the plane was over Otherville. In addition, when the Swan counter gets past the 108 countdown, and seconds pass before the button is pushed, it seems as if there was a steady increase in the force of the magnetic fluctuation, or release (due to sound effects, etc.). It could be that the magnetism started to fry the avionics at the instant after the counter flipped at zero. And by the time it built up before Dez finally hit enter, the island started shaking, the plane was breaking up over Otherville, etc. When I put all the available pieces together, that's what I get, for now.
As for Smokey, I don't buy a flying intelligent smoke creature that can stomp around the island crushing trees either, but I'm just going by what I saw.....which was Eko getting picked up by "something". He certainly didn't merely trip and bump his head and die. So if Smokey can do that.....who knows what TPTB could imagine it doing?
the internal structure is actually steel. So, to rip it apart would still be possible.
and even if not, the pressure from a CONCUSSION blast of ANY sort hitting a plane in mid-flight could possibly rip it apart as well.
a simple explosion "concussion" could do the same.
the electro-magnetic pulse when released was so powerful and so large and traveled at such a high rate of speeed, it could've easily ripped it apart.
and reaction to problems with gauges:
1. electro-magnetism will easily do that.
2. don't buy what the pilot said, they were too low intentionally.
3. you don't drop from 30,000 feet to 300 feet to "turn around".
btw, i worked with F-18s in the marines.
avionics "damage" does not result in the aircraft "ripping apart". that's mostly electical and could explain "problems" in flight, but not a 29,700 foot drop in altitude, followed by a concussion or "backwash" so strong, the plane splits in two pieces.
ugh. Eko died from PRE-EXISTING wounds!!! Smokey didn't do all that sh@#t. basically, once he caught up with "yime" and made his final life decision, his body gave out. Smokey didn't acutally "form into a fist". it's either a manifestation of some doing, mentally for them to see, or possibly something that comes along for you to make an ultimate choice. (like the harbinger of death, etc).
choose wisely. salvation or damnation??
do you NOT remember that "yime" (smokey) made Eko choose whether he wanted forgiveness or not??
hello!!!
everyone is so quick to believe someone else because they have their own "blog or site".
think people.
ugh.....*choke*......blech......happy........ummm......
........V-Day (Venereal Day) everyone.
enjoy your "significant others".
sorry......feel like the Scrooge of the month of February.
and you know, the fact that ethan worked for mittelos BEFORE going to the island, makes me wonder if he wasn't there for other reasons (overseeing projects, etc).
hmm....
sorry, random thought.
okay, i want a 500 word essay on why this day SUCKS!!
haha?
Well, tonight we get more of "NOSTRA-DESMOND".
any thoughts?
I'm back at my mom's house checking in. This will probably be the only time today though. I guess this is sign No. 23 that you're a Lost-aholic:Can't stay away from LoCo posting for even one day.
Thanks for the secretary desination capcom. I'll be taking notes tonight and get them to y'all ASAP which probably won't be until late Thursday at the earliest. At least my cable works, so I should be able to watch the episode as many times as I want between airtime and restoration of internet access.
But I really want to go to Maven's house to watch. Maven you've given everyone diagonal envy with that set-up.
I've got two last things about Not in Portland. What exactly are Carrie's powers in the book Carrie? Could Carrie have made a bus hit her prom date? I'm leaning more toward the Juliet is special and she's the one who caused Edmund to be hit by a bus and got her sister pregnant by faith rather than science. Given that, I'd bet Juliet was not able to reproduce her results on-Island which is why Ben hasn't let her leave.
And finally, listened to the podcast yesterday. David you were really on a tear there man. Dark Angel raised a new point for me in his segment. DA said that Jack runs, that he ran from his dad and from Sarah. That was a twist for me. Kate is of course our runner. Jack is the count to five and stand your ground guy. I guess there is something other than the tats I need to learn about Jack. Looking forward to seeing how that plays out, but not to other yucky things. Going to keep thinking about that. Thanks for the new idea DA.
Hang in there chucklez3. Valentine's will be over in a few hours, but yeah! We get LOST in the meantime.
Signing off.
EVERYONE is running from SOMETHING on the show.
that's a tough one to "distinguish".
you know.......i'm surprised there hasn't been a tie-in with the movie, "The Number 23" with lost. did J.J. Abrams have anything to do with THAT movie???
don't forget that he had a "shoutout" to the hanso foundation at the end of the credits in "Mission: Impossible III"
just checked. no "association" with that movie.
darn. hahaha. kinda' flipped at the end of the credits when i was at the theater for M:I3.
hahaha
I think I'll actually take some notes tonight also.
I always think I'll remember more than I do when the next day rolls around.
yeah.
For those who haven't seen it, there are four new LOST videos on ABC.com. They show the earliest (chronological) flashbacks of Jack, Sawyer, Kate, and Locke. More flashback videos are promised each Wednesday.
This is all stuff we've seen before, and it's been edited down a fair bit, but I still liked 'em.
Happy Valentine's Day All (even Chucklez3!)
I always take notes during the show! I guess I'm so pathetic, too. LOL I usually fill up 5 pages!
Agreed that all the Losties are running from or to something. They are all looking for redemption. And they all have this second chance at their lives.
Memphish: I feel your pain! Good luck with your internet connection issues! Our TV doesn't get set up until Friday...so one more LOST in standard definition! :(
Happy Valentine's Day Loco's-
memphish- major drag on your Internet issues, I hope you get back online soon! Too bad you are not in Houston, I would be more than happy to help you resolve your issues.
maven-major cool on your new HDTV setup. I watch Lost in HDTV and wouldn't have it any other way. And wow on your five pages of notes, that's great.
I have been looking at various Lost websites and 'Flashes Before Your Eyes' looks to be a great episode. Perfect for your Valentine Day's viewing.
jgz350,
Yep, I've been reading the non-spoilerish reviews for tonight and they are all good so far. Supposedly, we'll have more than usual to dissect after tonight (not sure that's possible!).
To all,
EW's Doc Jensen has a new article out there for those that like to read his stuff. It contains mild spoilers/speculation about tonight. Mostly, he talks about the new black hole theories that are going around.
Also,
Why do people keep calling today Valentine's Day: Isn't it Lost Day? And for some of us, Shoveling 8 Inches of Snow Day? :)
blueheron13: where are you (location), btw???
nvm. saw your profile. duh. hahahaha
Happy Lost Day!
Blueheron13, we have a half-inch of ice in Maryland. Can't shovel, just spread salt and wait for the thaw.
(logging in is a pain)
don't get me started with the logging in crap. ugh.
eh........count your blessings that you don't live in (was it Mexico, New York)? yeah, like 120 inches in a week!!!!!!
that's 10-feet for you mathematically challenged.
good grief!!
Hmmm, don't like that ice. Much more likely to have power outages. And, yeah I'm glad I don't have to shovel 10 feet of snow off a roof like in upstate New York. Although I wonder what it's like to be able to jump off your roof but not fall because there is too much snow there?
back home, ice storms used to be all we'd get (snow too), but mostly ice.
it looks like a surreal fantasy land......totally gray skies, ice coating over everything.....and white snow.
just weird looking. and dead quiet, too.
Brrr! All this ice and snow talk! Just to rub it in...it's a beautiful sunny day in the 70's in the L.A. area.
I guess it never gets cold on the island...just very wet!
Happy St. Valentine's day to all LoCos!
Chucklez.....that's "Yemi". Also, you shouldn't kvetch so much about being alone today. You are not the only one in the universe that is alone on Valentine's day. I'm alone, I'm not complaining. I'm alone AND I'm fighting off cancer, can you beat that in the depression department? Be happy for what you have in love, you have more than many do. :-p Why don't you count your blessings and give some Valentines to some lonely people in your family, or your favorite local shopkeepers, or some other lonely or needy souls to spread some joy around? Charity always heals the heart. When you make someone else's day, you brighten your own day as well. Otherwise, suck it up and tough it out like the rest of us who have to. OK, sick-old-lady lecture turned off now. :o)
Memphish, I was not yet in the camp that believes that Juliet has Walt-like powers, but you may have hit the nail on the head with the thought that this may be why "Carrie" is Juliet's favorite book! Perhaps she can relate? This would also fit with the concept of the book....timid battered people exhibiting and revenge with telekenetic abilites. Good point!
This in the news this week:
"HOUSE HEARING ON 'WARMING OF THE PLANET' CANCELED AFTER ICE STORM"
Sometimes irony can be funny. :o)
okay.....having said that (and maybe you read it), i'm done with the topic.
capcom,
Was that an actual headline?
Chucklez3,
In Oswego New York they are up to 156 inches (15 feet) and it is still snowing there... I could not even imagine having to clean that up... How DO you get a snowblower on the roof???
And I have to agree with Capcom. I too will be alone on this dreary day and dealing with unknown health issues that have my doctors scratching their heads and asses trying to figure out what is wrong with me. So this is the first and last time you will here me complain.
Chucklez, you know that we care about you here, and want you to be happy. Especially since it's the first Lost-related love match that we know of. :o) And since you are engaged, she owes it to you to make you confident in her feelings too, as you mentioned that you're not too sure of that. It's not fair to you if she doesn't, especially if that leaves you hanging and miserable. Engagement is supposed to mean that her feelings are solid too, and you deserve to know if they are not (going by what you said about it). And Valentine's day would be a great time for *her* to show you how much she cares, as well. The LoCos have given *you* advice on what to do, but it shouldn't be all on your shoulders to show the caring. :o) You deserve that much in return!
Ded, I'm sorry to hear that you are having mystery health problems. That is really hard to deal with, especially if you have to have numerous and unpleasant tests to chase it down. When Ben talked to Kate about "an 'unpleasant' two weeks", that's what unpleasant meant to me. :-p Keep the faith.
capcom: thanks. that's all i'm asking. just let me know what's going on.
i mean, stop telling your girlfriend and tell ME!! I'm the one that can "fix it" if there is indeed something wrong.
eh. I don't know. thing is, i'm faced with whether or not i should move now, because of the uncertainty.
oh and btw.......we're not engaged yet. that's what i was going to do upon moving there. she and i have already discussed it, but she doesn't know what it's "coming". hahaha
but still, she sent me a msg last month on my myspace that said that she wanted me to hurry the f*@#k up an move up there so she can spend every day with me and fall asleep watching bad horror movies.
and now.......this.
you see my problem? ugh. women!!
oh and how do you go from "hurry up and move here, so i can spend every day with you", to "i'm just not sure".
ummm.........HELLO!! i need to know! i'm supposed to start a job on the 26th, so i need to find a roommate by the 25th!!!!
yeah, a bit of an urgent matter there.
If you have a minute, go here:
http://barbara-ferrenz.livejournal.com/
and take a look at some cool ice storm pics.
(No power outage yet. Just blinks.)
capcom, I second that emotion about Valentine's Day and couldn't have said it better myself. I hope you have a great Lost day and keep up the good fight, you will win.
Chucklez3: The only thing I can say about your relationship is....communication! That's what a good relationship is based on, and, trust! Hope you can work it out.
Any Valentine's Day is great when it coincides with LOST!
Nice pics, barbarajay.
Hope your power stays on (especially on a Lost Day).
maven: that's been my point to her. we shall see.
Loved your pics, too, Barbarajay! Everything looks so beautiful...the sounds must be eerie. Hope the melting won't cause problems.
Hi Guys
Just popping in - sorry I haven't been able to contribute more but can't get to you at work and have been busy at home. Loved hearing all the phone calls on the podcast and great theory Engineer27, if not a bit freaky!
Ded, good look with the
doctors
Chucklez hope you sort everything out but if you think you can't figure out women now wait until your married - it doesn't become any clearer!
Happy Lost Day Everyone! I took a vacation day today in honor of the snow that hit Pennylvania.
Bye, hope to see a zillion posts here tomorrow morning.
Oh boy Chucklez. Well, if it were me, I would say that, "You are sending me mixed signals and I need a definite answer very quickly to get my life in order, so do you still feel the same way or not?" It is so not right for her to be telling anyone else but you how she feels, you are correct about that. But, just know that women sometimes need to bounce things off their friends first and it may not mean what it seems. On the other hand, no offense to her, but if you were ready to commit and she can't do anything but dangle you along, she's not good enough for ya. Good Luck.
Take good notes tonight, secretaries!
P.S. thanks JGZ
Happy Lost / Valentine's Day everybody!
Unfortunately, they have been blocking Blogger at my work all day. Hopefully this is not an ongoing issue, or I may need to get Dark Angels advice on covert operations :)
Happy Lost Day and Happy Valentines Day
I feel for ya barbarjay. We had an ice storm like that here in Ohio a couple of years ago at Christmas time the power was out for 3 days. We've got a quite a bit of ice here too right now but so far no power outage yet either.
Cant' wait for Lost tonight my second favorite guy is featured tonight.
My crazy husband made an 2 hour round trip in this weather just to get me some special choclates for Valetines days. I told him to just get me a regular box but he knows how much I like good chocolate.
Hey Y'all,
Happy V.D.!
That did't come out right.
Happy Lost Day!
Dig Y'all Later
notes, notes, NOTES!!!
hahaha...........yeah, i got nut-in.
Hee Hee,
Ruby Slippers
Don't make me drop a house on you Des.
Hee Hee
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