The Little Prince, in a nutshell:
Kate discovers that someone knows the identity of Aaron's parents. On the island, the dramatic shifts through time place the remaining survivors in extreme peril.
Wednesday, February 04, 2009
The Little Prince - Season 5, Episode 4
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 379 of 379If as people speculated last week Widmore owns Oceanic, I guess it makes sense that Ben would send his lawyer to help people get the most money out of them possible.
I don't think anything could make Jack more interesting. Sorry to the people who like Jack.
I think 42 hours is pushing it. I could almost buy 36. But 42 is one of the numbers.
I think it was night when he was attacked. It was daytime when Hurley got to his dad's. And I think it might have been the next day when his dad took him to Jack.
I was just thinking... Ben's plan was to scare Kate into thinking someone was after Aaron so she would go back to the island. Now that he's confessed that it was him, how is he now going to convince her to leave?
In rewatching, it has to be the case that Rousseau's people won't time skip. Otherwise Claire and Kate and newborn Aaron would have time skipped.
I agree memphish
But it doesn't mean they won't time jump again sometime later in Danielle and her crew's past. So we can see her story. That's the only way I can see them telling her story is to jump along her timeline. Which is why I said it will probably only take 10 minutes to tell. We'll just get the high points.
When I say they I mean the LBers.
Hey promo watchers -- what happened to the Jate kiss from the promo for this week? I didn't see that in the episode.
I guess I should have said earlier not later. lol
I've finished rewatching now. Maybe I can stop serial posting. ;-)
I just don't think that Rousseau's crew will be time skipping. I think it's a special thing with the LBers only, and the fact that the O6 are not with them somehow throws off everything. And I agree we will learn more about Rousseau only as the LBers skip to their time in 1988 on. I still don't know why Juliet is among the LBers.
check out the Ajira web site, the video changed again today !
Thanks lisa
I've been meaning to go check since last night and never got around to it.
Guam then Indonesia? hmmm
Love the Jin chart memphish!
Amused, well it did take them all of season 4 to get off the island, so one could assume that it will take them all season to get back. But I hope not.
42 hours is a little long to account for Sayid's unconsiousness- but Hurley drove him around in the car for a while, bumped into Ana Lucia, bought a new shirt, then went to dad's house, spent a while on the couch, then to Jack's and the hospital... so maybe you could say 42 hours.
What Jate kiss? I've got to start watching these promos. Not because I want to see a Jate kiss but because I put Kate on my LFL team mostly for her tendency to kiss everybody all the time.
Thanks, Lisa. LAX-Guam-Indonesia. We're getting closer and closer! LOL
I agree that 42 hours seemed very long...but time isn't what it seems in the Lost world!
And how is Ben going to keep everyone together overnight as they wait for Hurley to be sprung?
Liked the chart memphish. . .that does seem to be the case.
im thinking that if the french are time shifting its because they arrived during a purpling in the past, 16 years earlier. Thats why i tied in walt and mike leaving during the purpling. Sort of reminds me of star wars mythology. In order for yoda to go undetected on Dagaba by the Emporer and Vader there was a dead dark jedi on the planet that balanced out yoda's light side force and made him undetectible. My contention is that originally when they arrived there was a storm or electromagnetic event that made the french unstuck, if this is true we will see if they jump next week. If they do jump i think they will go back to 16 yrs earlier to stay when the donkey wheel problem is fixed. if they don't jump then i agree that simply passing through the barrier and seeing these weird events wa enough to drive them mad.
who do we think was shooting at locke and company in the water, obviously it seemed like the french, but i was thinking it might have been Ben and jack and them just to prod them along on their orchid mission, if they saw jack and company were back it would complicate things. The ajira waters being around in the same time period that the french took the zodiac tends to complicate things, did jack and the rest come tot he island on a bearing that led them to the island 16 yrs ealier or do they jump along with everyone else now that they ae there?
I'm not sure who those are shooting at the LBers. I don't think it's the French team. Could be themselves in this future jump?
What puzzles me is why outriggers? If there are survivors of some other Ajira plane crash, wouldn't they have yellow/orange life rafts and not outriggers. I'm speculating that Ajira Airways takes them as far as Guam/Indonesia from LAX. Then they have to get into those outriggers (taking Ajira water bottles with them) and paddle to the "event window" site given by Mrs. Hawking.
If that's the case Maven, then I'm with Miles, "This would have been a lot easier with a motor boat", or whatever he said. :o)
The only thing I can think of with the outriggers is that there might be a stash of them on the Hydra. Someone earlier mentioned the landing strip that was being built on the Hydra. And Alex has a small outrigger. It was no where near as big as those, but it was an outrigger.
Has anyone listened to or viewed the Official podcasts that came out today? I'm of course looking for a spoiler rating.
I love this paragraph from The New Yorker's recap.
Finally, Ben, Jack, Sayid, and Kate gather in a parking lot. Kate realizes Ben's behind the legal gambit, and he charmingly confesses (but also slags her maternity: this from the guy who kidnapped Alex from Rousseau). Anyway, there are weirder fish to fry, because, somewhere in the darkened parking lot, Aaron is indeed napping — but without a car seat! And Sun reaches for her gun.
I didn't even know they were still doing offical podcasts. I was wondering if they would since Ajira still seems to be up in the air.
Memphish and all: I just watched to ABC Official Podcast. There's some interview with Daniel Dae Kim and Darlton "answers" (yeah, right) one question. That's about it. It does talk about the title for the next episode, if you consider that a spoiler.
That's a funny recap, Memphish. And I think that I'm going to have to steal that line, "weirder fish to fry." :o)
maven
lol You don't have to worry about me and the title. When I went to find the podcast I seen it on the home page.
hey was the guy that tried to dart sayid in the hospital the same guy that helped locke rehab after his broken spine and taught him "don't tell me what i can't do"?
I actually don't know the title for next week, but hey I watched the promo for the first time. I'm living dangerously. :-p
I don't think they are the same 2Costa, but they are similar. Here's Don't tell me what you can't do guy and Dart guy.
I was thinking possibly Widmore wants them to miss the window.
But also perhaps the Dart guys are just Ben's "B" plan. Either way they end up going back.
ya your right thanx memphis
ya im still thinking the dart guys are working for abbadon or widmore, if its ben then elsa would have probably been ben's employee as well
I'm wondering if Juliet being amongst the LB'ers may be to do with her being "marked" in season 3 after her judgement at the Others trial.
Thinking about Danielle surviving the Purge, perhaps she was hiding out in the dark territory and because of that being frequented by Smokey Dharma never managed to install enough poison gas vents there (assuming it was Dharma that made the gas station).
In my 3rd watch:
Why did Ben have them meet up at the Long Beach Marina, Slip 23? I know they were still missing Hurley, and he wasn't getting out of jail until the next morning. But, if they had to get to the other side of the world, wouldn't they be meeting up at an airport...we know Ajira is leaving from LAX.
Also, it looks like Juliet hits one of the "Other Others" when they're being chased in the outriggers. It will be interesting to see if the person who got shot shows up in another time-skip. (I'm speculating that it's their own future selves.)
Maven, the O6 can't just all get on the same plane again, they are too recognizable. The media would have a field day!
I know why they met at the Marina! There's a Submarine, waiting to take them part of the journey...But would they all have to drink the Tang that Juliet was given?
That's a good idea A2BH.
Fenris, I wondered about Juliet's mark too. So far that's all I could think of separating her from the Others. Another idea is that the Others are taking those shots and it's been 9+ days since Juliet had one.
We're all assuming Ajira is taking them back to the island,but that may not be the case.
Ajira and the outrigger people may be something completely separate.
I was thinking that the people after Sayid were Ben's people until this last episode. Why would Ben send someone after Sayid when Jack had called him and told him where he was and Ben was on his way there?
If it isn't Ben then whose is it that wants Sayid and what is it that makes him so important?
We definitely need to know more about the falling out between Sayid and Ben. I think that would help us figure out who the dart guys are. But my leading candidate would be Widmore. Maybe he wants to recruit Sayid to be a double agent. At a minimum I'd guess it's the Economist after all he knows Sayid was killing his buddies and probably wants to know why.
I was thinking at least part of the falling out was from the economist when Sayid tells Ben they that we're after them and Ben said good. He didn't care what kind of danger he was putting Sayid in as long as he got what he wanted. Also Sayid may have found out that Ben was lying about Nadia's death.
Who the economist is, is interesting. I thought it could be Widmore, but also Jacob with the mention that he didn't like technology. I hope we get more on that.
grr time for some caffine.
"when Sayid tells Ben they that we're after them"
This should say when Sayid tells Ben they know that we're after them.
Sayid'sgirl: I like the thought that the falling out would be over Sayid finding out Ben's role in Nadia's death.
Can you imagine all the O6 taking a submarine all the way to the "event window"? Unless they all drink the OJ, those are pretty tight quarters for a long trip! I do think that the 70 hours puts a time constraint on a sub ride (unless it's a magical sub), and they need to get to whatever the event window is in plenty of time...air travel is the best bet.
Hi All!
Could Rousseau have been saved from the gassing by her underground bunker? Maybe she was just lucky to be inside when it happened. ???
Boy, things have ground to a halt. That's the problem with answers I guess.
So here's a topic for discussion. There's a group of friends that think Faraday is Charlotte's dad. I personally despise that idea for the level of creepiness it gives to their interactions. What does everyone else think?
Memphish: I don't buy that one at all. If anything, they could be siblings...but that's a stretch, too. Everyone on this show just can't end up being related to everyone else! LOL
BTW: Memphish, your time-line post is awesome, and clears up my muddled mind! I gave your link to some other Lostie friends....
Well, I guess that we'll have to wait and see how Danielle survived the purge, but I'm voting for the bunker for now. :o)
FYI: Doc Jensen has a new article up at EW called "Digging Inside Season 5". I'd advise be wary of some tidbits in it that could be considered spoilers. This would be a good article to go up on Spoiler-Fix, ML!
Answers don't give you nearly as much to discuss as questions.
Hmmm, I don't get a Charlotte's dad vibe off of Daniel at all. He looks to me like he's IN love with her. Like Sawyer loves Kate and Desmond loves Penny.
Thanks for sharing the timeline link with people Maven. The more the merrier. I'm going to try to keep up with it adding things in different colors as we start to find more out. I'm hopeful we won't time skip the whole season or else I'll run out of colors. :-)
I agree Lost2010. But I keep hearing it in most places, so I thought I'd bring it over here.
Here's another Daniel/Charlotte question though. Watching Confirmed Dead it seemed like none of the Freighter Folks knew each other ahead of time. So was it love at first sight for Daniel, or had he known Charlotte before the Freighter? And if he knew her before, did he know her in a linear timeline or because he had been consciousness skipping or some other form of time travel?
Thanks for the article, maven! I have a meeting right now, but I'll get it up at Spoiler Fixed this afternoon. :)
Randon question - did Ben have anything to do with Nadia's death? I seem to remember him seeing her funeral on TV the same day that he got to Tunisia after turning the frozen donkey wheel, which means he wouldn't have had a chance to be involved. So, did Widmore (or someone else) have her killed, or was it just a bizarre coincidence that Ben took advantage of? If her death was just a random killing, that could be why Sayid no longer trusts Ben - he found out that he's been killing people that have nothing to do with Nadia. They're just people Ben wants dead for his own purposes.
I tend to think that Ben merely took advantage of Nadia's death which may have been merely random. I think he's got good document people as evidenced by the papers and pictures Tom shows Michael in New York. But I do think there are people watching the O6 probably at Widmore's request given Abaddon's contact with Hurley. I don't think we have any evidence that Widmore's people have hurt anyone other than the guy getting beaten in the video Ben shows John, and for all we know that had nothing to do with the Island, but instead was over proprietary info. pertaining to pregnancy tests.
What answers???!!! :-o Heheh.
I missed the timeline link- where is it?
I don't buy Daniel being Charlotte's dad for a second. If that is true then ewww. Good question though about whether Dan knows Charlotte from time travel. There has to have been some previous knowledge there I think. He couldn't just have feelings like that for the short time they were on the freighter...at least I wouldn't think, but it is Hollywood.
I'm behind on my Doc Jensen readings. I'm going to have to catch up later today.
I also assumed the falling out between Ben and Sayid was over Nadia's death, but that is speculation. The Ben/Widmore/Economist triangle is puzzling one. I get all confused when I try to figure out who's killing whom.
I did a timeline over on my LOST Blog Scoutpost. It's here.
Ok folks here's a off topic story for you. My little bigdog had surgery this morning to remove his tonsils and adnoids. His first pre surgery room was 42. Know we are in his post surgery room 16. That alone was enough but the nurse just left and her name is Juliet shephard.
My wife laughed at me and said I see lost everywhere
I put up another prediction quiz. . .for those of you who were playing along.
too funny bigdog !! I hope he heals well.
SG - I think the reason Ben would send people after Sayid is because after working with him for so long, he is very sure of his capabilities and knew he would be fine (and if not, he still get's him). If he defeated his attacker it's better though as it puts the urgency down for them to leave and suggests that not leaving would mean facing endless attacks from these "mysterious" people. It's like he's herding them like cattle.
You notice that they haven't sent those guys after anyone else. Only Sayid, the most capable person to stop them. They merely suggested they would send them after other people.
What was it Ben said to Julliet in the pearl? Something like: "I will do what I always do, I find out what they care about and then use it to manipulate them".
In the case of Sayid at the moment the only thing he has left is his own skin and that of his fellow 6. So he pushes him there. While with Kate he uses Arron. Who knows, perhaps he is counting on Sun wanting to kill him to get her there.
New topic: Do you think Aaron does have to go back? Every time someone mentions we have to bring them back/we have to go back they never mention Aaron by name. Is he just assumed? Or is the real reason Mrs. Littleton is in LA is that Aaron isn't going back and they're going to give Aaron to her? After all Ben points out to Kate that Aaron is not hers, but no one ever mentions taking him back to Claire either. I even go so far as to wonder if Ben would want to keep Aaron off the Island because he might be another leadership threat.
It seems fairly important to Kate to hang onto Aaron, do we really see her being willing to leave him behind? But that is a good point about having Ms. Littleton handy in case they decide to hand Aaron off.
Very good points Fenris. I'd have to agree with all that at this point.
fenris
You have some very good points there. Thanks.
And I did notice that Sayid was the only one being attacked.
Okay, the Doc Jensen article is up at Spoiler Fixed - be warned, it's a long one!
Thanks for posting that Melissa it was a good article.
maybe the inscestuious possabillities on the island are the reason for the fertility problem so there's no parental paradoxes created.
I'm pretty sure that the french were just arriving after the flash into the storm and won't jump next week. At first i thought they had the zodiac, which made it seem like they were in the previous flash with the ajira bottles, but I'm sure it wasn't the french shooting at the canoe. As mentioned before it's probably some others of jack and ben and the crew just prodding locke along to his mission at the orchid.
I think as far as who are the dart guys, i think they are doing with widmore what they have done with Ben, making us think he;s the big bad, then flipping it to make it seem like he's good, just to flip it again to show us widmore is big bad again.
I don't think the island is jumping because they left, i think they are needed to fight widmore or whoever on the islnad in 2007 and beyond.
If locke is gonna die soon, it definetly seems like abbadon is gonna turn out to be old walt. last time they showed abbadon with locke he told locke he wanted him to return the favor some day, and we know that bentham visited walt, so that could be the returned favor or sacrificing himself for the island could be the favor.
father issues have been explored on lost before, but i think we have to start thinking "all cowboys have grandfather issues" for the big picture. Widmore and Christain have become grandfathers in the span of the show.
if the O6 coming back stops the time jumps it doesn't mean the work is done. For those who think it's gonna take all season for the time jumps to stop or the o6 to come back i strongly disagree,first we know that locke is gonna reach the orchid soon. Second, we know that the o6 only have less than 70 hours to meet their window. Thirdly the Leftbackers are all starting to get the time nosebleeds and seem like they are progressing fast. For these reasons i think the flashes have to be resolved within a few episodes. Even for those of you who think it's gonna take all season to resolve the time issues, if the o6 coming back is all that needs to happen then what is the last season gonna be about. Hawkings imho was saying "god help us all" not because the O6 are causing it, but because they have an ultimate mission on the island after the flashes are done. Widmore is just biding his time until then, he seems harmless enough at, but if the flashes stop and the island isn't findable then whats the problem beyond stopping the flashes.
I read a theory somewhere that widmore may have placed a tracking device on sun's gun, so perhaps he has a plan to find the island through ben. i wonder what those surveillence reports sun had were about, if you read them it doesnt sound like ben because the target always sits inside and goes to the mailbox occasionally
I think at some point that Jin will tell Danielle that she went crazy and killed everyone she is with, then he will leap (as it were) she then starts to suspect everyone, gets all crazy paranoid, combined with the island itself, and in the end... kills everyone
As in a self-fulfilling prophesy of sorts, Ded? :-)
That sounds like something that Wid would do 2costa, and I myself was wondering if Sun had his intelligence people do her spying for her, and, get her the gun.
I half expect Sun to fire the gun and a flag pops out: Not yet!
That's what I was thinking when she pointed the gun Maven!! Hahahaha. On a more serious note, if she shoots Ben, will he not die because the island needs him to round everyone up? I sure the heck hope that TPTB do some explaining about that before all is said and done.
Correction, if she shoots at Ben, will the gun just misfire, like with Mike?
Maybe that's why whomever is after Sayid doesn't bother with a gun, because it won't go off anyway. But the island is not prejudice against dart drugs.
Good one Maven.
Thanks for the Spoiler Fixed Melissa_
Maybe "the sickness" was a really strong strain of The Asian Flu.
I think she won't fire the gun at Ben because of what he tells her (from the preview).
the fact that elsa had the same bracelet as naomi,who is for sure a widmore employee seems to point to the fact that there are indeed widmore henchmen. saying that there are not any widmore henchman just because Ben was behind the lawyer ruse and widmore let desmond leave with penny is really throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Elsa was trying to kill said and not sedate him, might point to the dart guys working for Ben or Abbadon. I wonder if walt telling locke not to open the hatch was sort of like his attempt to thwart ben's whole plan
actually it was said by TPTB that the bracelet's just happened to be similar and they couldn't believe that everyone assumed that they were the same. They said they were NOT alike in any way (besides both being silver and thin) and we not meant to look the same.
That's a good point 2costa, why DID the island let Elsa actually shoot Sayid?
Oy, I can't believe that I'm actually asking why an island won't let someone do something.
I just feel that Ben is behind manipulating everyone back to the island. As usual, he is playing on their emotions and weaknesses:
Kate-her attachment to Aaron and her need to always run.
Sun-her hatred of her father and her love for Jin in addition to her tendency to lie.
Jack-his need to fix everything and get things right.
Sayid-His sadness of losing Nadia and his inner turmoil of being a torturer/killer.
Hurley-His need to please everyone and his guilt over the lottery winnings.
Capcom: LOL Well, the island can be considered another character in the show!
lostpedia * The bracelet that Elsa wears bears a strong resemblance to Naomi's bracelet. However, Damon Lindelof confirmed in an interview that the two bracelets have no connection beyond the second reminding Sayid of the first. [1]
so it was used to remind him of naomi at the very least
Bracelets are frequently used by US military personel to remember fallen comrads whom they were close too. In the same manner, family members of fallen military also wear the same style bracelets to honor and remember their loved one. These bracelets are permitted to be worn and visibly displayed while "in uniform" by active duty-personnel. Because it has been strongly implied that Naomi has military combat experience, it is very likely that "R.G." was a team member in one of her units, or less likely, was family. But given the propensity of the Lost writers to dramatically interconnect people, it is likely that she was somehow connected to R.G.'s death while in the military.
this is from lostpeia about lockes sweat lodge dream
Desmond is enjoying himself, dressed as a captain, arm in arm with three beautiful flight attendants, as he descends an escalator, while Boone says, "Forget it. He's helping himself."
i thought this was interesting because this was around the same time desmond was walking around naked just after he had his first flash to the past after turning the failsafe key. Since desmond is so special his flashes are him helping his past and future self
I never knew this about locke having a genuine premonition either
Of note: in the scene of Sawyer and Kate standing at the security line (run by Ben), he tells her, "Wipe the stars out of your eyes, sweetheart...watch and learn little lady." In the next episode, "Every Man for Himself", while devising his plan to shock Pickett with the fish biscuit dispenser, Sawyer says to Kate: "Watch and learn little lady...[explains the plan]... Wipe the stars out of your eyes, sweetheart..." Since this had not yet happened in the previous episode, and the two were on separate islands, it is regarded as a premonition.
i think its also interesting that now that we know that the arrow wasn't just for storage, rather to study the hostiles and craft strategies against them. the fact that horace goodspeed wore an arrow logo on his jumpsuit is significant. This is a clear link between the others and dharma. Horace delivered ben in the forest and later brought him to the island, but the truly strange thing is that horace is who built jacob's cabin(if it really is jacobs cabin), which we know is the leader of the others despite the fact that he was a dharma employee. So ask yourself why would someone that was working in the station geared toward studying and defeating the others building a shack for their spiritual leader? Perhaps he got turned into an other while stationed at the arrow. So horace is the only other true crossover between dharma and the others besides Ben. Including perhaps whoever did the latin annotations on the blast door map , may have been an other as well
Me too maven, my gut feeling thinks that Ben is behind it too.
Good ideas 2costa. Heheh, that scene of Des with the girls always reminded me of that scene in "Catch Me If You Can" with Leo DiCappuccino playing the guy who wrote bad checks and played at fake occupations. :o)
Interesting points about Horace too. But what do you mean about Horace delivering Ben in the forest?
when bens mom was giving birth, horace and his wife drove up and delivered ben in the forest on the side of the road, then later he offered ben's dad his janitor job, which brought ben tot he island
Oh right, I know that, I just thought that you meant that Horace actually helped deliver Ben when his mother was giving birth on the side of the road. :o)
BTW, when Sawyer was watching Kate and Claire, and it made me think that maybe the whispers are the time-skippers whispering in the jungle and watching the Losties doing things, trying to talk to each other without upsetting the time balance. Probably not, but it was a weird thought when I had it, because it would show that TPTB had this time-skipping thing going all along since the whispers began to occur. ???
Capcom: I'm thinking the same thing about the whispers being other people in different times warning them about something. I half-wondered if Sawyer actually tried to talk to Kate and Claire it would have come out in a backwards whisper! LOL
LOL Maven!
i disagree i think the whispers are people that have died on the island and are somehow commenting like a greek chorus, just like boone appears in visions now. If sawyer were to talk or whisper during that birthing scene he would have sounded regular not like some weird eko whisper. I think dead people on the island are out of phase with regular time. Harper may have been a time jumper or or older taller walt, but the whispers are like a prelude to one of these people arriving
i also dont believe the island has been jumping forever or will continue, the orchid was pretty strongly securing the FDW
i think the orchid video gives us a big clue about what's really going on. In the video after the bunny seems to transport, halliwax says it appears that the bunny went foward in time but...zzzwzwzwzzwz(locke presses rewind) i think the rewind is the clue to what halliwax was going to say, namely the bunny didn't go anywhere the island rewinded 2 minutes and the bunny stayed right where and when it was. In the same way i think the left-backers aren't going anywhere or traveling in time. I think the island is the record skipping back. For example if you were to go to the island in 2007 sawyer would still be there, but the island would appear to be in whatever past incarnation is flashed back to. Mostly people are looking at it like the island is static and the LB's are jumping around just as you would think the bunny jumped 2 minutes into the future. It may seem like a small distinction, but it's not. If the island is static and the lb's are jumping(like we were all mostly thinking) then say, jack and company went back to the island in 2007 then they wouldn't see sawyer in 2007 if he happened to be jumping to 1950s era island at the moment. I contend under the people are static the island is flashing theory that if Jack gets back to the island in 2007 he will be in the same time period that sawyer is in no matter when or where sawyer is because Sawyer is in 2007. It's almost like the island itself is the holideck(jumping around to differn't time periods) and sawyer and company are just in the present, but the catch is they things they see on the island are not holigrams. SO for this new theory of mine if the ajira water bottles were jack's, then it needent have been 2007 on the island in the flash the LB's were in to cross paths with jack because, the next time it flashed jack would be traveling in exactly the same ways the lb's are, just as jin must have been jumping(well actually not jumping, the island would just be changing scenery and time period) parallel to the LBs. The only inconsistent thing about this theory is that the o6 have been gone 3 yrs, while the lbs have only been jumping a week, but i think thats what Ben has hawkings figuring out, what event horizen window and bearing will put them on the beach roughly 2004 when they go back...
Great thoughts, 2costa. I think time moves differently on the island (as proven by Daniel's rocket experiment from the freighter). So I don't really know if the 2007 O6 will ever be in the same time line as the LBers. I'm guessing that this "event window" figured out by Hawkings will somehow create some sort of opening so that the O6 will be able to "see" the island and be in the same time line that the LBers are left in...possibly where they left them when the island "disappeared". Maybe that's why Ben tells Jack to pack a bag of things that are important to him because they can never get back to the time line they are leaving behind in the real world. This is so confusing to me.....
So, let's see he'll need to bring the black and white stones he pocketed from the cave, he'll need that pocketwatch his dad gave him, he'll probably think he needs to bring that engagement ring if he things he might get it back on Kate's finger (I hope she doesn't take it back), he should bring some beer for Sawyer because time jumping makes you thirsty. . . hmmm, what else will they bring for that one way trip. . .
I had meant to post this much, much earlier today, but for some reason it failed to post. Sorry for it's delay. And as to the last comments, Ben told Jack to pack his bag, but Jack doesn't have it with him now. Will they all be able to go get their stuff before they leave?
I think your idea about the whispers is a good one Capcom. But it makes me wonder if you die on the Island do you start time skipping. I know people have claimed to hear dead people like Boone in the whispers. And Danielle told Sayid that she would hear the whispers.
I think the last big time we heard the whispers was with Harper wasn't it? It would certainly make sense that the LBs and even Juliet herself would try to warn Juliet and Jack that what Harper was telling her was wrong.
Maybe that's why you can't change the past. If you're time skipping and you try to warn those in the past they are unable to understand you and so nothing changes. But that doesn't completely jive with the straight-up interactions the LBs are having with Alpert's Others, Danielle, etc.
Those are good ideas Memphish. I probably think more that it's the dead people, but it struck me as funny when Locke and Sawyer were standing there sort of bickering about checking the screams, and I wondered if they would sound like whispers to the girls if they heard them.
Hey, that's a whole new Lost game, guessing what the O6 will bring back with them!
i still think that sawyer and the LB's are on the island in 2004 2 weeks orr so after the the donkey wheel was turned or i might be convinced that the physical island skipped how ever long into the future that Ben got transported into the tunesian desert, i forget if its 90 days or 9 months. i think of it like the shack that hurley saw that moved ,thats the metaphysical cabin, but theres a brick and mortar version(figure of speak). So if lets say jack makes it back to the island in 2007 then sawyer will be there too. The island may be in a flash at that time and jack will be subject to that flash just as any of the lb's are. the preview for next week at the end of the show said getting back to the island is just the bbeginning. I think those word are very deliberate. The time jumping isn't the main problem, the main problem is something that the 815'ers will have to tackle after they get back to the island, ecause as i said if the island is hidden and the time flashes are the only big problem lost wouldn't need a final season because they get back stop the flashes problem solved. Thats why i think locke becoing jaco or something big is in the works because i just can't think that the leaving is whats the problem, at least not in the sense that most think. Most think that the o6 leaving caused some temporal imbalance that started the flashes, i think that poppycock, The flashes started because ben destroyed the orchid and turned the wheel. I feel the o6 have to go back because the lB's dont have the juice to solve the problem we don't know about yet. When they said this is happening becuase you left i take it more as, ben had to trigger the flashes in order to have a chance to bring the all back, ecuase its not gonna play out right if they don't
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You sound like me after the season opener, trying to explain my interpretation of the time traveling. But I agree with you I think the island is moving in time and the LBers are static. I've waffle back and forth on that. But I think either way the outcome is the same. And when the O6 get to the island no matter if the island is in 2004,1954 or 2007 the LBers will be there and the O6 will be able to find them. And if the island continues to time jump after they get back they'll all jump together.
LOL lost2010 time travel makes you thirsty. :)
I, too, think the LBers are static. When the flash happened in 1954 and the Army tent camp disappeared, it just left our LBers standing out there in the open.
I guess I'm not getting the chicken and egg problem of the question of what's moving. But I agree that the LBs stay where they were and then are presented with a new when. I guess you might argue if the LBs were moving that when they jumped to Nov. 1 they would have been separated to the places they were on Island on that date, at least Locke, Juliet and Sawyer would have. Obviously that would create chaos. But I don't know how that jives or even if it should with what was going on with the time traveling bunnies in the Orchid. What happened there was that the observers remained in a place and time in terms of one Mississippi, two Mississippi passed while it appeared that the bunny disappeared and then re-appeared in the same spot. Did the Island "move" with respect to the bunny for that 2 seconds? And more importantly, does it matter?
So Sayid's Girl, if I understand what you are saying, you think that the O6 will be in the same relationship with the time skipping Island in terms of moving with the time skips that our LBs are as opposed to Richard and his Others or any other group of people we've encountered on Island during the time skips so far?
So if that's the case, I presume that you don't think the O6 were the ones that brought the outriggers to the beach and were chasing our LBs.
What do you think it might be about them that would cause them to jump (at great risk to their own health to judge by the nosebleeds) as opposed to remain static in their timeline?
I was wondering about Rousseau and if she looked like she recognized Jin in past seasons. I can't really remember, though, if she and Jin had ever actually met in 2004. I gues they must have because Jin looked like he recognized the name when she introduced herself.
Does anyone remember?
I don't think the island is skipping and the LBs are static. Richard told Locke when he was fixing up his gunshot wound "We didn't go anywhere. You did.".
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Good point LostIt.
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Okay, so thinking about Danielles involvement with the survivors. I don't think they crossed paths early on, but when they were setting the trap for the others in Season 3, Dannielle was co-ordinating and Jin was one of the shooters. So I think she would have at least seen him.
However, it should be noted that Danielle wasn't exactly playing with a full bag of marbles. I've been re-watchign seasons 1-3 recently and she just comes across as even more nuts then when I first watched them.
I would say even if she did recognise him, she may not actually have realized there was anything strange about that in her messed up mind.
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I didn't go anywhere, you went.
The island's time is shifting and when it does the LBers are in that time that the island moves to. They are static in space but not in their own time. I think Richard is satic in both time and space. He said I now we didn't go anywhere, you went. Just because Richard hasn't moved we're assuming the rest of the others haven't either. But we haven't seen what's happened to them yet.
Juliet said Richard has always been here.
We've been lead to beleive that the O6 return on Ajira airlines but we really don't know that for sure. Anytime we've seen anyone leave or come to the island it has always been by water. Juliet only went by plane as far as the sub. Ajira could be another plane crash like Oceanic. So no I don't think the O6 were in the other outrigger shooting at Sawyer and Co.
I'm not sure what's causing the time jumps. I don't think we have enough honest information on that yet.
As far as the bunny I think it moved slightly ahead in time which hadn't happened to the observers yet which would make the bunny appear to disappear. And I don't think it's important other than to show us that time travel is possible on the island, it was a tool.
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So far I'm thinking like you Lostit about what's skipping. Mostly becuase Dan said that he thought it was probably them. But everything we've seen so far could be either way. But no matter which is moving through time, the LBs would still be left standing in the middle of something different.
I was also wondering if Jin ever saw Danielle, but even if he only heard of her (surely he would have after she took Aaron, at the very least) he would remember the name.
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That is, they'd be standing in the middle of something different in the case of manmade items, not the island terrain itself. That would stay the same.
In addition to the time shifts, I'm guessing that the Island is moving in space as well.
It had to have moved someplace nearer to Nigeria to "intercept" the drug plane. And there also all those markings on Ms. Hawking's map, which presumably indicate different possible physical locations for the island.
I also think that the island moving and reappearing underneath the Black Rock will we what caused the ship to end up in the middle of the jungle.
You're right about that Blueheron. It did "disappear", after all. I love the idea of the island's location moving.
So could we have two displacements happening here at once? In time, and in space, together? Oy.
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I also like the idea of the island actually moving to one of those coordinates on Hawkings maps. That would explain how the Nigerian plane few there and, of course, how Black Rock ended up in the middle of the island. I can just imagine it on the ocean, sailing away, and the island pops up under it and they're in the middle of the jungle!
In the previous thread...
Capcom Said "OT: I just saw the movie "Outlander" tonight. It's pretty good, if you like vikings and alien dragons....which I do. :o)"
DeDJeZTeR said...
"Aliens yes, Dragons hells yeah, but alien dragons... You can keep that s#!t to yourself... lol"
I stand corrected. Not a bad movie at all, sounded like it could have been one of those sci-fi channel D grade movies... but it was good; ThanX
LOL Maven, and you would hear things like "bloody barnacles, it's an island possessed by demons?!"
Whew, Ded, glad you liked it. I was hoping that I hadn't steered you wrong, knowing your critical eye, and I mean that in a good way. The movie was close to cheezy in a few areas and drew an "oh come on!" thought from me here or there, but LOL, not as bad as a SciFi channel movie! X-D
I do aggree the island could be physically moving across the planet every time it flashes, but as one of you said when it flashes the lb's are standing still everything else moves. DR chang secifically said it appears the rabbit went into the future BUT...then the tape rewinds, That big "but" seems to contradict any thoughts that the bunny is moving in time, rather the island is moving?
I'm hoping ben has a picture of jin on the island with rousseau or something to convince sun
The distinction might seem small of who is static, the island or the LB's, but it's really important. For instance if the island is static and the LBs are jumping and the ajira bottles were the 06's, then the flaah the LB's were currently in atm would have had to have been the 2007 island. If the LBs are staic and the island is juming like a a holideck with real consequences, then the ajira bottles could have appeared in any time period on the island. Meaning the O6 go to the island in 2007, but it happens to be flashing to say 2005(i say 2005 just for arguments sake cause the 815 wreckage was there) atm, then the ajira bottle would be on the island from 2005 on no matter when the 06 went to the island in outside world time. To me it spells the difference between if the 06 have to come back and do something on the 2007 island or they join the LB's to accomplish some yet unknown task within the flashes.
If the flashes are caused because of a temporal imbalance from the 06 leaving(which i don't subscribe to), then what of all the freighter victims that were evacuated 815'ers. How would they set that imbalance right? Lost is never straight foward,so to me when they said this is happening "because you left" i think there's some other meaning like the 06 needed to be part of the flashes.
Even Daniel is not sure which is jumping. When Juliet asks So that why our camp is gone the island is moving through time? Daniel says
Either the island is or we are, and it's just as likely we are moving, your people and us. That's when he asks if all of their people are accounted for. Locke isn't accounted for, but he is there they just don't know it yet.
Which leads me to believe since everyone is accounted for the island is moving through time.
looks like not only the island but a certain distance around it if Jin was leaping along with the LB or the board. maybe it goes as far out as the looking glass station, since its technically connected to the island.
when the doc from the freighter showed up dead on the island. island time was ahead of freighter time. during daniel experiment island time was behind freighter time. was the island already moving then?
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your exactly right sayid'sgirl. Nobody knows for sure including daniel and if anything the orchid video was cut off prematurely so we as viewers didn't know for sure either.
About the time jumping, could they be following an order circular path, like the one Ms Hawkings was drawing on the blackboard under the Church where Ben ligthed the candles, and if so, then at a time they will travel in circles through time, enabling them to know what time they are at and to prepare for the next jump... and this is also how Ben knows in a way when is the perfect "jump" or "shift" to go back, 70 hours left only...
Hi All, another fast paced episode with semingly lots of answers, but ultimately going nowhere.
I groaned when Locke said we are going back to the Orchid as I knew they wouldn't get there this epidoes and we would have to watch Locke Bumble around for a couple of episodes until they got there.
Regarding who / what is time travelling, maybe the locations for the island denote specific time periods, and when it time travels it swaps location, but an island from another time period takes it's place. So I am saying there are multiple islands swapping round in time and space.
If there were not multiple islands then when it moved the LB's would just fall into the ocean if they were not travelling in space as well as time !
Oh yes and Jin is back ! Great news for my Lost Fantasy League points :-)
I could be wrong. But I was thinking the event Ms. Hawking was looking for was a path to he island aka worm hole or something similar to that. I don't think the island has ever physically moved.
Good for me too zort Jin's on my team too.
My thoughts and prayers are with those in Australia who are in the wildfires.
The wild fires in Australia sound very horrific.
They do. One report last night said the fire caught up to some people as they were fleeing in their cars and they didn't make it.
Those wildfires are awful and scary. Stay safe Aussie LoCos!
And for comic relief, be sure to read Ack Attack's recaps. Really the only recap you need to get your giggles on.
Sayid's Girl,
That is true. I've been assuming that the only way that the Black Rock and drug plane could have reached the island is if the island moved in space, but they could just have well gone through wormholes. And, the O6 could also return through wormholes, not necessarily by intercepting the island as it moves through space.
However, if the island did not move in space, how did it disappear (from the point of view of the people in the helicopter)?
Gitsie Girl made a good observation about Danielle. She's clutching her music box in the raft. GG speculates that's here constant and therefore why she doesn't get the sickness.
blueheron13
The island moved to a different spacetime than the O6 which made "appear" to disappear. The island is still there but in a different timeline than the O6 so they can't see it. If you use Daniel's analogy of a record the island is in a different grove than the O6.
Sayid's Girl,
But if the island doesn't move in space, then it must not exist at all during the time period when the O6 are crashing in the helicopter.
Memphish,
Do you think Danielle and crew will start time travelling and that she will, in fact, need a constant?
Still lots to discuss about what is actually happening. There's so many way this can go...who's/what's moving and when! Hopefully, we'll get more answers to the mechanics involved.
Also, my thoughts are with the Aussie people! Having been through a few wildfires (and being evacuated), I can empathize with them...however, the death toll is staggering and watching residents interviewed on CNN is so sad. Our own Patch's sister was right in the middle of it...last I heard she and her partner made it out.
Blueheron13
Can you explain to me why you would think the island wouldn't exit when the helicopter crashed?
Because I just don't understand why you would think that. Sorry.
BlueHeron -- I think Danielle's crew's trip through the barrier will cause them to consciousness time trip like Minkowski and Desmond. I don't think they'll physically travel like the LBs.
OT: Pictures of the Australia fires.
memphish... thanks for the Ack Attack link. I'm still giggling at "stop looking at my manboobs"!
Sayid's Girl,
Hmmm, I'll try to come up with a post later to see if I can explain what I'm thinking here...
Memphish,
Thanks for clarifying. For some reason, I temporarily forgot about the consciousness (Minkowski, Desmond) type of time travel and its side effects.
Gee, how could you forget BH? ;-)
At this point I'm about burned out. I've got 3 podcasts in my iTunes and haven't read J. Wood. Maybe I'll use them as prep on Wednesday to avoid spoilers.
Sayid's Girl - I think BlueHeron is talking about how the island vanishes as the helicopter carrying the 06 tries to return to it. There is a flash, and then there is just a "hole" filling up with water. If the island was not moving in space, then it would still be there, the LBs just wouldn't be on it anymore.
I think it has to be the LBs that are moving through time - if the island was, what would happen to the past/future people when the island moved again? If I remember correctly, Dan says that it could be them or the island before they actually encounter any people.
I guess what is confusing me is the use of the words not exist. The island exists reguardless of how it's moving.
hmm the Island has to be moving in space since it disappeared when the donkey wheel was turned. The actual space it occupied became vacant.
I'm not sure about the time jumps, though. Could they be separate? As in: the Island moved in space, and now everyone on it is unstuck in time?
just thinking out loud...
i was watchingt he one with dave the other day and i noticed some interesting things, when dave is trying to get hurley to kill himself he tells him he will only be free when he does that. Then he says see u in another life as he dives off, just as desmond asways says to jack. Maybe that girl on the frieghter that jumped off with the chains on had someone like dave visiting her telling her that killing herself is what to do. I think the smae forces that gave jack appandcitiss are the ones that wanted hurley to kill himself, all so the 06 never leave. libby on the other hand is the counter balance that makes things go the other way. Desmond, hurley, mike all got help from libby... more later
Here are some websites that I've read on space, time and spacetime.
I'm not sure I can explain why I don't beleive the island moved phsyically. And I'm getting a brain cramp trying to. lol
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Daniel Dae Kim is going to be on The View tomorrow.
I think that I'm just going to wait until TPTB tell us how they
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Question -- when is Frogurt and the rest of the dead background deadies bodies? I ask this because someone on Jay and Jack theorized that the missing Rose and Bernard could be killed in the caves in 1954 and become Adam and Eve. (For the record, if Adam and Eve are Rose and Bernard I want my money back.) But it leads me to wonder what's happened to Frogurt's body. Did it stay in 1954? in 2005? We didn't see it in the future with the outriggers. Any ideas?
I do have a Vincent theory. I think Vincent has gone to Jacob's cabin to find Christian Shephard and say, hey, I did you a solid on day 1 and the time for payback is here.
Yes,Zort70.It may a few more episodes,as Locke likes to take the Walkabout, scenic route.
Fires are scary,wherever they are.
I like the idea of Rouseau's music box being her constant;(or her rifle).
I could believe it's Rose and Bernard in the cave.
Damon and Carlton said they put Adam and Eve in the story to prove that this was the idea they had all along.
So this could prove time travel was their plan all along to the ones who might think they were making it up as they went along.
That is of course time travel is what they are trying to prove with Adam and Eve.
It may be proof of something else.
OK, this will probably give me a brain cramp, but here's my working theory in a ridiculously long post :^)
1. The island, from the moment it came into being in the past to the moment it ceases (will cease?) to exist in the future, continuously exists. In other words, there is no point in time in which the island does not exist.
2. The island only moves forward in time.
3. The island can instanteously move from one place in the ocean to another. The allowable places it can move are the places marked on Ms. Hawking's map.
4. The island can only exist at one place at any given time. It is never in two or more places at once.
These first four assumptions can be shown on a graph, where the x-axis represents time and the y-axis represents space. If my assumptions are true, then the island's position in space-time would trace out a series of stair-stepping horizontal lines. Say the island spends a certain amount of time at one location in the ocean--this would create a single horizontal segment on the graph. Then, if the island jumps to a new location, a new segment would begin at a different "row" on the y-axis. Only certain "rows" would be allowable if the island can only be found at a fixed number of locations.
Also, if my assumptions are true, then no segments in the island's timeline can overlap, and any vertical line drawn on the graph (which would represent a single moment of time) would intersect the island's timeline in one and only one spot.
5. A normal person traces out a curvy space-time line as they travel around in space and move forward in time from birth to death, but the line is always moving forward in time (from left to right on the graph) and never doubles back on itself.
However, there are several people and things that are not normal on LOST. For example:
6. When a person (or rat) is exposed to a certain type of radiation, that person's (or rat's) consciousness can start jumping around between different points on the person's timeline (intermittently rendering the person unconscious in the "present"--the point of consciousness departure, and making the person quite confused at the point of consciousness arrival--the "past" or "future").
This is the Eloise/Minkowski/Desmond type of time travel. Sometimes radiation alone will not trigger it, but a combination of previous radiation exposure and traveling on the "wrong" path to/from the island will trigger it.
7. A person time traveling in this way can change their past (or their future) and alter their timeline. For example, they can prevent a bartender from getting hit by a cricket bat, buy a ring they would not otherwise buy and throw it into the river, or arrange a future phone call with a pretty girl. However, the universe apparently "course corrects" to keep the general shape of that person's timeline (and everyone else's timeline) intact. So, at least in a general senese, "whatever happened, happened" and "whatever will happen, will happen".
8. When Ben turned the donkey wheel, he (and his parka and baton and so forth) physically moved forward in time several months, and he instantaneously changed his position from the island's location to Tunisia. If you were to draw his timeline, you would see quite a large gap because of this. Ben apparently never exists between Dec 2004 and Oct 2005.
9. When Ben turned the donkey wheel, the island and everything and everyone on it and around it (except for Ben and the Left-Behinders) were instantaneously transported to another "allowable" location. For some yet-to-be revealed reason, Ben (and possibly Widmore) cannot simply travel to this location and arrive back at the island.
10. When Ben turned the donkey wheel, he caused the LB folks (including Jin and, for some weird reason, Juliet) to start skipping through time. However, instead of mentally travelling to different points on their own timelines, they are instead physically travelling to different points on the island's timeline. In other words, they are haphazardly jumping around on the island's timeline graph from one stair-step to another. These stair steps can be either before or after the donkey wheel date (Dec 30, 2004).
One consequence of this is that the LB folks can actually be in two places at one time (either two places on the island at one time, or at one place on the island and one place off the island).
11. If, for yet-to-be revealed reasons, Ben cannot get the O6 back on the island within the 70-hour window, the whole space-time continuum will be destroyed. (If the future is fixed, I don't know why the success of this endeavor is in doubt, though.)
OK, that's enough rambling for now. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it (for at least two more days!).
Memphish,
Frogurt died in 1954, right? I think if the LB'ers jumped to, say, 1956, they could find his decayed body there. Maybe it's completely decomposed by 2004, so that's why we never saw it. Or maybe the Others buried him and the other Redshirts that fell during the attack.
Speaking of which, anyone else annoyed that all the redshirts are being killed off? Why have them in the story this long if none of them will survive?
Blueheron13
Thanks for taking the time to explain your theory.
I think I get what you're saying now.
I agree with your number 1.
Here's where in my theory I disagree.
Number 2 I think the island moves forward and backward in time. Or at least the LB are moving forward and backwards in the islands time. I do admit I bounce back and forth on whether the island is moving in time or the LBers are moving in time. But either way the outcome will be the same.
Number 3 I don't believe the island is phsyically moving from place to place. Ms. Hawking is calculating a time event. She's looking for a particular time and calculating when that will happen. That's my opinion anyway. I know the marks are in different places but I don't think they are physical places of th island but physical places you need to be to get to the island at a particular time. Like a portal of some sort.
I agree with your number 4,5,6 and 7.
Number 8 I don't believe Ben ceased to exist between Dec 04 and Oct 05. Ben just jumped ahead in his time line. I see past, present and future all happening simultaneously.
Do you think the LBers ceased to exist between the time they jumped from 1954 and the time of the outrigger with the Ajira water bottle which we assume is in the future?
Thanks again for explaining your theory.
Sayid's Girl,
I probably shouldn't have said that Ben "ceases to exist". What I really meant to say is that there appears to be no time between Dec 2004 and Oct 2005 during which Ben exists. From his perspective, time was continuous, but there was no place in the world, for a period of several months, that he could be said to "exist".
Similarly, I wouldn't say that the LBers are "ceasing to exist" as they time jump. They are undergoing a continuous experience, but one that (in my guess) takes them from one point in the island's timeline to another. Which would make their own timelines look very strange as they disappear and reappear in different times/places.
I would agree that the past, present, and future in LOST exist simultaneously.
Thanks for reading my insanely long post!
I agree from Ben's perspective that from the point he turned the wheel in 04 til he lands in 05 was continuous.
But I disagree that if you were to look at his history you wouldn't find anything for that time. He just skipped when he turned the wheel. But whatever happened in that time still happened. We as the audience didn't get to see it.
Couple of things. Good job Blue Heron on laying that out. I don't even understand what I'm thinking at this point to agree or disagree, but I like seeing it.
As for Ben's missing time, I wonder if he went to a place like a) in The Magician's Nephew, a land between worlds or b) like the place they travel to when using terreracts in A Wrinkle In Time, a dark, cold place where you can even get lost. Probably none of the above.
As for Frogurt, that's what I wonder did his body on the 1954 Island stay in 1954 because now he was dead, or did it jump like the live LBs did. I finally get how him dying in 1954 but living in 2004 could work, but I wonder about his dead body, and also what if any effect that might have on a returning Locke and an already present Christian Shephard.
Blueheron13;
You would've made an awesome Dharma instructor.Great explanation of your theory.
I think the Ajira party would have had to paddle to the exact time and place calculated by Ms. Hawking,and be picked up by the the Island's sphere of influence;
(the Zodiac,Jin)to get back to shore.
My fantasy team went down like the Freighter this week.
I think it's very conceivable that in 1954, Rose and Bernard ducked for cover in that cave during the flying arrow attack. Maybe they were wounded, and had to stay there, embracing until they died. However, I have no idea why the black and white stones are there (except maybe because Rose and Bernard ARE black and white?).
Also, according to Lostpedia "They have been dead at least 40–50 years according to the deterioration of their clothing." That would jive with 1954!
because rose and bernard are opposite personalities, bernard is always trying and hoping and rose is resigned to let fate play out. yin/yang
And now the stones are like Locke/Alpert's compass. In 1954 Bernard picks them up to illustrate to Rose their love. In 2004 Jack pockets them. And in 2007 he brings them back and puts them back on the bodies?
I just finished re-reading The Little Prince. At first I tried to figure out who's who and what's what, but the analogies aren't that straight-forward. There's a number of Losties who could be the Little Prince and who need to learn the fox's lessons. But I think the key might be the end when we are left to imagine the ending for ourselves. And it tells you more about yourself, in general or at any given moment, by which one you choose.
I can't believe you're all still around discussing this! Yay! My husband and I decided we'd watch a different show together so I'm now all caught up!
I was surprised that the episodes contained a lot less than what some of the theories I'd read led me to believe. I saw no evidence that the Jughead was buried in the Swan for instance. A
lso the skipping around in time does not seem well-explained yet. I hope TPTB have some clearer answers about that and aren't just going to leave it to our imaginations. I don't get why everyone on the island at the turn of the donkey wheel isn't skipping while a few are.
Ah well, at least I get to watch and theorize weekly now!
Oh, and I too, found that Jin floating face down in the water all that time but was still alive highly improbably. It could be though, as someone else suggested, that we are seeing the beginning of Jin's timeline. It does not seem fantastical that jumping off the boat and/or the repercussions of the explosion sent Jin into the circle of the island when it jumped. I just find it unlikely that he's survive face down in the water, unless it's the island's healing qualities working again.
Glad to see that we'll hear more of Rousseau's storyline!
And about the redshirts that keep dying in droves. It's okay because we haven't tamed them.
I just had a sort of "duh" moment. The reason Abaddon at Widmore's behest created a team of a head case, a ghost buster and an anthropologist is that he'd already met them on the Island and knew they had to be back there to time skip. Still doesn't explain the drunk (I wish I could say that like Naomi; she says it cool), but I think he just wanted to get the conspiracy theorist out of the way, or if he was really guarding time and the way things are the drunk needed to take the O6 off the Island.
For all the stuff that Daniel knows, like apparently that the Island would become unstuck (or the people) if Ben followed the secondary protocol, why was he so insistent people try to get to the freighter? Especially Charlotte given her propensity to nosebleed?
The latest Lost Fantasy League results are out, here is TLC table :
DeD-LoSTieS
Lossa's Losties
x-1
TheLostZort
Elizabeth's Wicked LOST
You Don't Know Jack
Team LuckyGuyLikeMe
valerianmud
Tsol
Weagle Weagle War Eagle Fantasy Team
S.W.A.T.
They've all lostit
greek-lost-team
Detroit Blue Herons
FYSB's Fantasy Picks
codysmom
Goatzilla
Sterling
Bigdog
8OrangeSmiles
Deceased-clown
maven
Sayid's Army
theVillage8
UC is lost in time, space, and sanity
Team NO WORMHOLES
Eight is Enough
Memphish
Sailormoon73's LFL
I've risen 1003 places this week due to the return of Jin
I've just realised I've risen because of Rousseau as well
I'm just listening to the podcast and I'm up to the part where David and Steve are talking about tranquilising Sayid.
All I can think about is BA in the A Team -
"I ain't going back to no island fool"
Well Sayid's back and I'm down over 800 points. It's amazing what 2 darts to the chest can do. lol
Oh and congrats to Ded and Melissa again. Your teams are doing great.
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Memphish said: "It's okay because we haven't tamed them."....LOL, and therefore we are not responsible for them. :o)
BTW, maybe Ben wanted everyone on the freighter just because he wants everyone unwanted off the island in general.
No 2costa, the yin/yang is becuase Bernard is a gentle milktoast and Rose is an obnoxious nagger, heheh.
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I don't understand why the O6 have to come back, but they weren't on Jacob's list.
That's what I've been saying/thinking too Memphish. If they're so golldarned important, why weren't they?
And why isn't Ben in big trouble with Jacob/Island for the way he treated them, and for trying to get rid of them at first?! Maybe that's why Jacob punished Ben by making him the one to turn the FDW?
Is it possible that Ben thought that the people he let go would still be in within the island's radius when he turned the wheel?
Jacob's list (or lists) may be a completely separate issue. I always assumed the lists named those people that deemed suitable to become true Others.
But I don't understand how they can be so important to the Island itself, the thing that seems to be the ultimate thing of value, that which Alpert, Widmore, Locke and Ben is safeguarding, yet they weren't secured into the Others fold for the sake of the Island.
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