Who will round out the Oceanic Six? How exactly does Ji Yeon translate into English? Is the "man on the boat" who everyone thinks he is? What about the captain? Hopefully all of these questions will be answered for us in this second to last episode before the break. Chat away my friends!
Thursday, March 13, 2008
Ji Yeon - Season 4, Episode 7
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I never thought of doing the math.
Plus I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that Hurley was in the hospital in July 2005.
Lost 2010: When are we NOT frustrated? LOL
(Gone for a while...bbl)
Another question I had for folks with kids. Wasn't it weird that the doctor was pushing for a C Section (I think they call that the baby being in breach) and then all the sudden it started crowning? I don't have any kids and don't know a ton about the process, but I wouldn't think that would happen.
Also, just a funny note. My girlfriend immediately pointed out that Sun seemed to lose her baby weight quickly. She was giving me the "Sun sure looks great for just having a baby" line when they went to the grave.
Lost 2010 & Maven,
From some of the stuff I read during the strike, you are right about the build up. They quoted Darlton as saying there was a buildup for the first 8 epi's, with a cliff hanger at the end of 8.
Do we have a definitive date for the return of the last 5 epi's? I also thought it was interesting that the last epi of this season will be a split two hour finale. One hour, interrupted rudely by an hour of Grey's Anatomy, and then the completion of the finale.
Source: OLP
diggity
The doctor said the baby was in distress when she first came in. Which could mean alot of things like the cord could be around the neck, not neccessarily a breech. My sister had been in distress for awhile according to the doctor she was taken C-section. My Mom hemorhraged with her.
As far as the baby fat. Tell you girlfriend it depends on the person. With my first child I weighted exacly the same as I did when I got pregnant as I did after I had my son. Just had a little skin firming to do. I can't say that about my second child though. But then again I was 40.
Diggity, C's are given for breach babies, but nowadays C-sections are also done way too freely at the ease for the doctor (never quite got that), more money charges for ho$pital, avoiding natural (read painful) canal birth for the mother, and lots of other reasons. It's become a very controversial subject lately, as to whether most C's that are done are really necessary. But, for the show's purpose, it could just have been a plot ploy to introduce conflict, immediacy, confusion, and danger. :-)
I really can spell. weighed not weighted.
capcom does have a point. Plus that wasn't Sun's regular doctor. I think he was more scared than Sun was. He seemed a little young.
I gotta say that I am loving the idea that it's Regina's initials on Naomi's bracelet.
Also, I had a kernel of an idea last night, and this morning after the hatchet in the boat bit (thanks for the heads up on that Kyle), this is reminding me so much of the movie Event Horizon, which still to this day freaks me out. Anyone ever see that?
Also, I already read Of Mice and Men and Carrie for the last book club, but I also want to vote for Valis.
You'e right about that doctor, Sayidsgirl, for a minute there I was afraid that he was one of Ben's minions, and that little Ji Yeon was going to be stolen by the Others and taken to the island! :-O
Good call on Event Horizon Ange. I hated that movie because all they did was fight with each other! But I may have to revisit it now that you mention it. :-)
thanks for the baby info!
Diggitydirge said...
Do we have a definitive date for the return of the last 5 epi's?
DarkUFO posted the lineup on his site.
Episode 4.09 24th April
Episode 4.10 1st May
Episode 4.11 8th May
Episode 4.12 15th May - Finale Part 1
Episode 4.13 22nd May - Finale Part 2
They are shooting a total of 5 more hours.
thanks Ruby. I'll have to re-listen to the podcast, but it sounded like the finale was how I decribed it above. One hour, interrupted rudely by an hour of Grey's Anatomy, and then the completion of the finale.
I don't know much about C-sections. If they ever have an episode with a premature infant that keeps forgetting to breathe though, I'm your girl. I know more than I want to about what point in gestation the nursing reflex kicks in too.
Incidentally, in premature infants, Asian girls statistically have the best chances of survival. Or that's what they told me in 1997.
Is Valis by Philip K. Dick? If so, I'll jump on that bandwagon.
I was going to vote for the Invention of Morel or Carrie, but I don't see anyone else interested in those so I'll go with one of the more popular choices.
lost2010: I'll vote for Carrie with you. I love that book and it's quick and relevant.
btw, Happy Pi Day Everyone!
Right now it is 3/14 1:59!
(π is 3.14159)
It seems the "sickness" or whatever it is comes on quickly doesn't it. I agree maven and thought about that last night, that Regina had seemed so normal just a few days before. And, re: the axe and the craziness, I think I'd want off that ship ASAP. I think the island may be looking good to Sayid and Des about now. ;)
Hi! Long time lurker, new commenter.
Jack did say 8 made it off the plane but 6 make it off the island alive. I think the last of the 6 is Michael. Since technically to ppl outside of the island he never left. I think the 2 that didn't make it are Jin and Claire, unless they are going to try to fake Kate being pregnant. I am not sure about where Walt is, because if Michael is going by an alias on the boat, how would he pull off bringing his son on board. What captain is going to hire a man and his son?
And I agree with others who say that Sun was way too emotional for Jin to still be alive on the island.
I know this is out of left field, but when Regina was walking across the deck with the chains wrapped around her, I couldn't help but remember all those birds Walt's always slamming into things.
Is it possible that having Walt on the boat is what's making some of these people crazy? Or do we know for sure Walt's not on the boat?
lost2010- that is a good question re: Walt and his powers. We don't know for sure where Walt is. I don't think it's him making the banging sounds on the boat though. We still don't know the full power of Walt's mental powers, or Ben's for that matter. Perhaps Ben and Walt are interfering with things using their brains. Ben vs. Walt
Okay - are there a lot of folks out there who have already read Carrie? If so, maybe we can hammer out two podcasts, if we do Carrie pretty early (assuming most people won't need to take the time to read it).
So far, Valis has the most votes. Keep them coming!
I just started reading Doc Jensen and he says:
But the beautiful moment came when he said he would follow her to Locke's camp — this, from the man who just a couple months ago in Lost time demanded his wife obediently trot after him. The role reversal closed the circuit on Jin's redemptive arc and had me searching for tissues anew.
In light of that statement, all of the characters that complete that arc have died haven't they- Boone, Shannon, etc. My mind has gone blank. Anyway- this could be an argument for the "Jin is really dead" camp.
scoutpost
I thought of that but didn't want to except it. I mean if everone who gets redemption dies that would be depressing.
Well, they can always have him squish a treefrog and un-redeem himself I guess. Isn't that the way it works?
Kyle aka TheBookPolice said... MAJOR SPOILER WARNING. DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT read the ABC press release for next week's episode.
Since you've already read it, is there anything there that could go on SpoilerFixed, after a little editing?
rubygreeneyes said... Plus, why would Hurley travel all that way just to watch Sun talk to an empty grave?
He has a golden pass, so why wouldn't he be visiting just to see the baby?
Just popping in for a minute here... and still trying to make things work in my mind...
So, Ben is the one responsible for the freakage? (and he or his "syndicate" is responsible for getting the dummy plane and the bodies?)
where is this press release? I want to read it!
Oh yeah, Dennis. Kinda forgot about that. Ah well...
abc press releases:
http://www.abcmedianet.com/web/display/display_main.aspx?global_id=001648&leftcol=links&typecode=pr&css=default_display_gray.css
codysmom
Yep, that's what the Captain was saying to Sayid and Desmond. But then you have to take into consideration the note that said Do not trust the Captain.
So who's lying the Captain or Ben?
My bet is on Ben.
sayid'sgirl, I agree... Ben lies and lies...
So, according to Ben, Widmore wants to exploit the island, but how would Widmore even know about the island enough to want it? Does he have former Dharma people close to him (or one that escaped the purge?) or is he just finding out about it from Penny?
I know he got the ledger in the last ep at the auction, but how did he even know about that?
Widmore went to the auction in 1996, so indeed he's been looking for the island for a long time. I think Penny's men also helped when the Swan blew up
I guess I'm asking all these questions because I had a theory of Widmore working for Ben....
codymom
That is a good question on how he knew or if he knew what was in that journal. I do assume that is where he got his imformation on the island.
I'm trying to remember if Hanso and Widmore knowing each other is canon or not.
If so he may knew the island existed but not about it's properties.
It's not unbelievable that Widmore and Ben are working together.
I'm not sure I think so or not.
Codysmom said... So, according to Ben, Widmore wants to exploit the island, but how would Widmore even know about the island enough to want it? Does he have former Dharma people close to him (or one that escaped the purge?) or is he just finding out about it from Penny?
From The Lost Experience:
The Widmore Corporation is mentioned on Thomas Werner Mittelwerk's answer phone on the Hanso phone line alongside Paik Heavy Industries (Who Jin worked for). He addresses them as colleagues currently involved in active projects with the Hanso Foundation.
Since the Hanso Foundation was behind the Dharma Initiative, it reasonable to assume that Widmore learned about the island from Hanso.
Seeing as Ben killed all of the Dharma members, it's unlikely that Ben is working with Widmore.
there is OLP video podcast up on abc reviewing Ji Yeon
I regret informing anyone of the video podcast and apologize if you actually viewed. We'll never get those 5 mins back and I wish I could. Talk about lame...
diggity
I haven't view anything for a couple of weeks so I'm safe.
Sorry if you or anyone else got spoiled. I'm assuming that's what those five minutes are, don't know.
no spoilers, just the lamest thing I have ever watched. It was one of those moments where I wished I could take the 5 mins back and do something else.
The video podcast is more about coming episodes - it's not too spoilery, just general stuff. If you do not want to know the name of next week's episode, when the podcast first starts, close your eyes and hum.
They talk quite a bit about Michael. My favorite part, from Harold: "A lot of the fans are excited to see Michael back, even if they just want him to get beat up. Michael's back! Kick his butt!"
diggity
Ahh I see.
Okay, here's my very own wacky theory of the week. In the pop-up version of last week's episode, they mentioned that the whispers were heard several times before the Others appeared, and before Walt appeared to Shannon. Is it possible that the whispers happen when someone is teleporting/astral projecting? That could explain how Harper and Walt can come and go so silently, and how the Others can move around without leaving any tracks.
Discuss. :)
Believe it or not my sister and I were discussing that.
Sort of like an old film being speeded up.
Like you can hear them talking as they are coming but they are coming at a different speed.
That was horrible grammer. How about sped up not speeded up.
and there's usually rain when it happens. The whispers also appeared when Hurley was exposed to the cabin. Can't remembr if it was raining then or not.
Just a thought my wife and I have been tossing around about the 324 bodies:
Could they be tied to Jacob's list? Maybe they "collected" bodies from a variety of sources in order to best match the passengers on 815. One of the sources of bodies may have been the actual 815 passengers themselves.
Could this have something to do with the "Temple" alluded to at the end of last season? Maybe Richard "Eye-Liner" Alpert was leading the Others and the kidnapped survivors to the temple for a cult-like mass-suicide/sacrifice for the purpose of filling seats in the freckage.
That would be some sick stuff...
Melissa_
I like the idea,of something new;. Valis, or whatever she's having(Regina).After the season finales,we could re-visit Carrie, Of Mice and Men, Lord of the Flies,and then set up our new Book Clup list for this year.
Diggity/Capcom/Sayid'sgirl: I, too, thought it was strange that Ji Yeon was in distress, and a C-section was urged,and then the next minute she's born. Seemed awfully fast for me. The doctor did seem young and nervous. Maybe Sun being a famous person in the O6 got him nervous. And she sure got her figure back fast, too! I did notice she was wearing black, which western culture uses for mourning. Koreans wear white for mourning.
Lost 2010 said: Is it possible that having Walt on the boat is what's making some of these people crazy? Or do we know for sure Walt's not on the boat?
Well, we don't know for sure where Walt is, but I like your take on Walt helping make people crazy. Remember the mobisode where the birds slammed into the wall and it was implied that Walt caused it.
Sayid'sgirl said: So who's lying the Captain or Ben?
Well, we definitely have a long history of Ben lying. The Captain seemed very believable, but we did have the "Don't Trust the Captain" note. But that note could have been written by Michael, who could be in the employ of Ben...so that note can be a lie, too. We just need more info about the motives of the Captain.
Codysmom: I don't know if Widmore and Hanso knowing each other are truly canon or not. I know in "Bad Twin" Hanso had an office in the Widmore Building. So I agree with what Dennis posted re what we learned from TLE. Widmore most likely got an inkling about the island from Hanso and probably got more info from the ledger.
why does juliette care if sun dies?? its pretty clear that ban has lots of resources and a long reach, ben's original deal with julliette is he'll let her leave if she solves the fertility problem, partly why jullitte is making a long term on the beach is she knows ben if he is actually still running the show will not let her leave until she does solve the problem. Julliette doesnt have the right equipment and isn't far enough in her research to predict if sun will die or not on the ilsland, perhaps aaron is half the equation and sun's baby is the other half. Aaaron was conceived off the island, but was successfully born on the island and Ji was concieved on the island, maybe julie thinks that if sun could carry her baby to term off the island they could look at why that was possible and unlock the fertility mystery. I guess what im saying is the data from aaron and ji might be the key if put together...
Diggity: I didn't take your warning and I watched the OLP! You're right...so lame...just a promo!
I think with mike there are two possabilites, ben made a seperate deal with mike before klugh let him go or ben had someone waiting for mike in whatever time or place the coordinates ben gave him took him too. He has walt prisoner and is making mike work for him. Walts warning about not opening the swan make sense, because with no swan purpling the freighter never would have been sent. The way the freighter captain made it seem like the freckage was definetly fake almost makes me think that is not true. Mike would have had no time to infultrate the freighter unless a time thing happened upon leaving the island, so i wonde rif mike had to go on 815 still and relive everything like it never happened or if he pulled himself out of that loop and never was an 815'er. If the island is somehow outside of time it would be possible for mike to skip the flight yet still have memories of the future. The lady jumping off the freighter was the weirdest part, the first thing i though is if you die in the islands sphere of influence your sould will live forever there, but then i though maybe there was a sub or station under the freighter that she had to be weighted down to reach. I am almost thinking that ben is behind all of this including the freighter, because as of right now the freighter is no threat, they have no radio equipment and they are already trapped in the islands grasp, so maybe ben has uses for these freighter people, because after all it was ben that prodded the pupling foward by shaking lockes faith in the swan. Maybe Ben is using all this drama to assimulate the 815'ers into others, like my enemys enemy is my friend. I gotta think that whoever said it is right jin didnt make it off the island, it was unclear to me if jin was dead or simply left behind. If jin is on the island still it goes with my idea that sun had to leave because she had colleens blood on her hands, but jin didnt becuase the gun failed when he was ambushing the others, i guess we have to wait and see...
i think that daniel saying its not his call if they ae gettign saved might tie to the freckage being real or not...
maven thats reminds me of a pet hteory i made last night. Maybe minkowski went insane from talking to people on the island instead of heading there, and thats why regina went insane because she started talking to people on the island instead of minkowski. Maybe the crash was real and the cashamir effect during the first time desmond didnt push the button made two flight 815's the island and ocean one. Maybe talking to people on the island that are dead in your world causes you to get unstuck. Maybe thay know that communications with the island make you batty and thats why they had regins guarding them because she was already half gone, seems an odd choice for a guard, but then why is ray unaffected?
Codysmom said...
sayid'sgirl, I agree... Ben lies and lies...
Yeah, Ben lies even when he's telling the truth. :-D
I don't know if Jin is really dead or not but here is a Eulogy Song for him.
maven said...
Diggity/Capcom/Sayid'sgirl: I, too, thought it was strange that Ji Yeon was in distress, and a C-section was urged,and then the next minute she's born. Seemed awfully fast for me. The doctor did seem young and nervous. Maybe Sun being a famous person in the O6 got him nervous. And she sure got her figure back fast, too! I did notice she was wearing black, which western culture uses for mourning. Koreans wear white for mourning.
I agree with you all, but I think that it can be chalked up there with Kate's trial- how everyone was saying that the trial was so unrealistic. I used to be a nurse (long time ago :P) and I will say that the delivery of that baby etc. was not realistic (of course I'm sure all the moms on here can attest to that). After seeing it I kind of felt like memphish did after the trial scene. Not saying that the way it happened is impossible, but I just think it is one of those TV interpretations- just like ER and Grey's Anatomy are not 100% (or even 50%) accurate pictures of how things are in a hospital.
penuel said...
Just a thought my wife and I have been tossing around about the 324 bodies:
Could they be tied to Jacob's list? Maybe they "collected" bodies from a variety of sources in order to best match the passengers on 815.
What a crap job that would be! Wonder how low you'd have to be in Otherville to be "collector of dead bodies"? Lower than Roger "Workman"? That is going down a sick road is it not? ;)
BTW- Hey David!
Just caught up...wow.
My vote for the Book Club. Let's do one podcast that covers multiple books briefly.
I've read Carrie, so I vote that we start the podcast out talking aobut Carrie, then move on to the new books like The Tempest and Invention of Morel. Valis might be a bit much to slog through, but i'm game to try it if others are. I love PKDick, but he can get a bit difficult to read at times.
Jin is...I hope not dead but I won't be shocked if he is.
Michael as a growned up Walt. Hmmm, that's an interesting theory!
Ben lies. "Don't trust the captain?" Like "shoot Faraday and Lewis"? Riiiight...Then again, I don't trust Widmore. I think Ben stole the $3.2M from Widmore, and that's why Mr. W wants Mr. L.
Wouldn't it be a kick in the head if Adam and Eve turn out to be Aaron and Ji Yeon?
See you all later!
When I first heard that theory about RG it made sense, but the more I think about it the more I doubt it. It seems a bit random and with it not just being Regina losing it a bit assumptive. However it seems she must have started losing it shortly after the helicopter returned with Naomi's body. So that at least would fit in. Maybe she lost her constant?
I am not sure if Jin is dead or not. All I can tell from that is that he is officially dead either from the flight or one of the two that died after (according to Jack).
What I wonder about that is why do that story unless maybe they brought a couple of bodies back with them to bury. If Jin is buried off the island that could explain why there was no ghosts.
Still I am hoping he's just pretending to be dead,
Sneaky episode. I had figured Jin was in a flashback from the year of the dragon thing as that was 2000 (and I'm a dragon) or if in the future, would be 2012 and Sun would have had the longest pregnancy in history.
finally caught up on comments here. Haven't had a chance to read anything anywhere else yet.
I completely did not pick up on year of the dragon, and I'm a dragon too (fire dragon). And I still have a soft toy/stufed animal from when I was like 2... so some people do keep them that long!
I cried with this ep too. My gut reaction is that Jin is dead. I will hope for otherwise, but that redemption thing really is like a nail in the coffin!
As for who the father is, depending on any freaky time influences they could possibly claim Sun was pregnant (just - like the night before!) on the flight, Ji Yeon was a bit premmie... fudge the figures a bit, like they will probably have to do with Aaron and Kate.
I also thought the "you need a c-section" "the baby's crowning" happened too quick, maybe a victim of editting but then also wondered if it was like capcom suggestion, for dramatic effect. If it was to happen like that, the doc has no clue... for the baby to crown like that it would have been too far into the birth canal to have been delivered by c-section. Like the trial though, we'll just overlook it and save ourselves some angst.
Just like Sun and her baby weight... she didn't seem to be carry much extra before it was born so it was no surprise it went very quickly afterwards. Some lucky mums are just like that.
I know it is probably more likely that Michael is undercover, but I've never seen him act so well... I half wonder if he really thinks he is Kevin. Maybe it's just wishful thinking... I'd like there to be more of a twist with him.
I possibly trust Ben more than the Captain, but I don't think either are particuarly trustworthy. Ben feeds misinformation and I wouldn't be surprised if the Captain is the believer of misinformation (from Widmore, Abaddon, one of those or all the above :) )
both Minkowski and Regina were fine when they were first communicating with them. So who's gonna answer the calls now?
I've just noticed, but possibly I'm just slow on this, that 324 bodies is 423 (Penny's address) backwards, which has the numbers 42 and 23.
Walt causing suicides? On one hand I love it cause it's crazy, on the other hand I don't want Walt doing that to people. Well, I don't want him doing that to birds either. I'm a little worried Walt is going to turn out like Aniken Skywalker!
Points I want to ponder:
~ Regina. The reading, the jumping...
~ why Hurley was glad that none of the other O6 had come to see Sun. It may have just been him wanting to stay out of the limelight for a while (and the whole group together would have drawn attention), and probably also his guilt about siding with Locke. Still, I want to ponder it more
i don't think sun was too emotional for jin to still be on the island .. obviously she can't go back there, there's no way . all she really said was "i miss you"
carol dunstan said...Walt causing suicides? On one hand I love it cause it's crazy, on the other hand I don't want Walt doing that to people. Well, I don't want him doing that to birds either. I'm a little worried Walt is going to turn out like Aniken Skywalker!
I love this analogy. My two cents is that if it was Walt who nudged Regina to jump, I do not think it was intentional. It seems like maybe a side effect of him trying to reach out or communicate could be sort of causing these things to happen (ie the birds).
I think Walt may be time jumping, so Maybe death is Walts Constant.
carol
To be honest I still have a stuffed doll that had a music box in her from when I was a child and I'm fifty. And I have both my children's first stuffed animals I just did'n't think anyone was as sentimental as I was. Mostly I thinking about the child not wanting to play with or keep a toy that long. Not the parents.
And Fenris you're right that would have been the longest pregnancy in history. I wasn't thinking about it being 2000 but 2004 and saving the dragon until the next year of the dragon in 2012 for luck. I don't know where my head was. lol
i think the way regina jumped off the ship relates to how quick klugh was to tell mikhail to shoot her. I would only be that quick to take one for the team if i knew my soul would live on and that reeminds me of charlie popping into hurley life after he died. As i said i think its possible that these people are killing thmeselves because either they will live on jacob style or they have such faith in the time lords that they are confident of a redo course correction in the past.
fenris i think the two extra bodies in the ocenic 6 have to relate to the babies and how to explain who their parents are. I have a feeling that jin dying is the red herring and that claire will be the actual one to die this season, i think this because there is no way i can see claire giving up aaron to be raised by another at this point.
someone brought up the weird part of julliette bring ing up sun affair and "how is she expecting that to make sun stay at the beach", well my theory is that julliette is still working for ben, especially since harper made it clear ben still rules. Thats why julliette is bulding a mor epermanent shelter on the beach and was less than forthcoming about the tempest. In the pop up version of last weeks they pointed out how tempest is a storm, i think that is the key, the tempest is capable of letting off toxic gas, but that not it primary purpose or goodwin wouldnt be working with chemicals on a daily basis, i think it is the weather station, where they might control the air quality on the island as well as the dunderhead on the border of the island. someome pointed out how chuck widmore put the water on in desmonds flashback, that remionds me of how it alomst always rains when someone dies on the island or how its usually raining during a whisper astral walt session or when an other pops out like harper. Perhaps its important to be around water, maybe that why charlie died submerged in water. In many cultures water is life, much like jack found the caves and their spring through almost divine intervention or how claire felt her baby kick after some seafood from island coastal waters. just my 2 cents
Happy Weekend everyone.
Scoutpost said: Not saying that the way it happened is impossible, but I just think it is one of those TV interpretations- just like ER and Grey's Anatomy are not 100% (or even 50%) accurate pictures of how things are in a hospital.
Totally agree that Ji Yeon's birth can be chalked up to dramatic license and move on.
Amused2bhere said: I think Ben stole the $3.2M from Widmore, and that's why Mr. W wants Mr. L.
Good idea. Makes it personal!
EF said: i don't think sun was too emotional for jin to still be on the island .. obviously she can't go back there, there's no way . all she really said was "i miss you"
The grave side scene is definitely open for interpretation. Sun's emotions did seem so real, but she can just be realizing that there's no way she can go back and, for some as yet unknown reason, Jin was left behind. We know the 9/22/04 DOD is a lie. Everything else can be, too.
did anyone have a korean translation of jins headstone?
I think 3.2 million is just what miles wants from ben. To widmore 3.2 million is lunch money. If Ben"I know what you can do" Linus has the resources to fake a 747 crash then 3.2 million is chicken scratch as well. Imo Ben was just acting scared of miles, I think ben wants miles on the island, since presumably, kevin johnson, sabotaged the radio equipment and the freighter cant leave the islands gravity then Ben has zero reason to fear miles in the least bit. AS i said before if ben has a whole decoy flight 815 in play then this, and i mean almost every event from the start of the series is still bens master plan, as is the freighter, because after all it was ben that prodded foward the pupling and hence the arrival of the frieghter. As far as the smoke goes, cusdorph said they will only show the smoke now to advance our understanding of it. They have always said it isnt nanobites, but chemical or organic computers are not nanobites. I think its still quite possible that the smoke is the chemical computer arm of the tempest, armed with psycholgical intel about people from say their dossiers and harper.
one thing i think the fact there was a plane load of bodies on flight 815 is still in question, all we know for sure is that there was a body of the "pilot" found in the freckage, they never showed one shot of a body in the plane, and since it was mawell and widmore that where behind the black rock search from find 815 any of there results are questionable, they claimed sam was controlling the camera, we know thats a lie. What bothers me is that the freckage was seemingly found so near the actuall island, i say this because the sunda trench is near the port that the freighter on the show said they were closest too. If you are gonna fake a flight crash and a load full of bodies, why are you gonna put it anywhere near this island you are trying to conceil? There are two possablilties, either ben is stringing along widmore to the island ala a fly to the spiderweb just to keep your enemies closer. The other possability is that the freackage wasnt faked, thats just the story the captian was fed or created and 815, got split into two during the sytstem failure in the swan...
if you ever saw the old show the prisoner, they were always messing with the prisoner mind, making him think that people working together were enemies and such, so im not convinced of whats really going on. A funny thing on the prisoner is instead of the smoke to police the island there a big floating bubble, that's like a runaway airbag filled with helium...
Hey guys! Its been a while since I've been on here. (School and sports are hectic!) But, I watched "Ji Yeon" this morning and thoroughlu enjoyed it. This season has been the best so far in my opinion, but I was also pissed at how the Find 815 ARG got a HUGE plug into the show and us TLE players have only gotten small plugs. (But we do have a large amount of insight...)
I don't know about the whole "souls living on on the island thing." It seems a little out there. Even for TPTB. But, if that was the case, would Walt be dead?
2costa: There's a translation of the grave stone at Dark's under Screencaps (scroll down).
Crossfade: Welcome...long time no see.
Thanks mave! I plan on hangin out with y'all this Spring Break.
Why is everyone assuming that everyone except the O6 are dead. Perhaps they are protecting them from something else. I am wondering if I missed something!
carol- I love the idea you had about Walt possibly turning out to be like Anakin Skywalker! Maybe all the people who've been labelled "special" are potentially able to overthrow Ben's power on the island. Obviously he is threatened by Locke, but maybe that is why they kidnapped Walt, and maybe even why Aaron was in danger. Or maybe Ben is holding Walt captive and is grooming him to be his replacement. Well, probably not, but I still like the Anakin analogy. ;)
abby-
We're not really assuming the rest of the survivors/Losties are dead- we think that they are what Jack and Hurley want to go back for. I think what people may have alluded to is the fact that the "lie" that Jack told in Kate's trial says that only 8 people survived. So to the world, 316 people died in the crash. This discussion came up because of Jin's date of death on his headstone. Hope this clears things up.
There are too many convoluted things going on to even attempt to comment, but I will say that my vote is for Aaron not being one of the O6, and that Jin is really dead.
O6: I'm guessing that this stands for the people who were actually on the plane charter. A child born after the crash would not count. Also, this means that Ben doesn't count. I wouldn't put it past TPTB to have him find a way off the island that is independent of the "rescue" so he wouldn't get the attention the others did.
Jin: If he weren't dead, I could see Sun having her talk to something other than a headstone (i.e. the sky, or a picture, the ocean, etc). Having Hurley there with her seems to hint that the use of a headstone has reason. This also leads me to think that no one else coming has a lot to do with the circumstances of their getting off of the island. Something big went down.
... I still want to know what was up with the four-toed statue and the black smoke monster thing. We just keep getting more questions!!
Cloisfic: You have to remember that the term "Oceanic 6" was something the media probably put together to name the 6 that were "rescued" from the island. The media doesn't care whether or not Aaron was in a seat on the plane. He is a person who was part of the group that got off the island. Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sayid, Sun and Aaron are the only ones we've seen in FF (except Ben) that were on Flight 815 (even in utero). And we were supposed to get all of the O6 after the last episode.
BTW: Over at DarkUFO, he posted "Confirmation of Oceanic 6" naming Aaron as the sixth member. There are over 140 comments discussing this. A lot of people are angry and don't buy it.
J. Wood is up.
i really dont think Ben is threatened by Locke, if anything Ben knows he has some off island business to do with sayid and hes wanted to get rid of all the top others that would try to seize power while he was gone like tom, dgoodwin, eand ethan are all people that questioned bens leadership at some point. Think of it like this Ben is Putin and Locke is medeved(sp.). Putin knows he cant do three terms in a row in russia, so he put medeved up for the presidency this time, but next election cycle he will run again. Putin isnt gonna put in somebody that would eclipse his popularity and maybe bnot hand him back the reigns of the country. If anything locke is bens padawon, he made locke kill his dad, so he(ben could become his spiritual dad. What weve seen from ben is pimpology 101, he has been "turning out" locke since season 2 probably before. Ben staged his little meeting with jacob and locke, but hurley on the other hand saw the cabin outside of the ash circle without ben, if ben is threatened by anyone its hurley and for simuliar reasons walt. At this point with no jacob for guidence Ben is leading locke by the nose...
they have it listed as the day 815 crashed as his death day on jins tombstone, which would seem to point to jin not being counted as one of the 8 that survived the crash, so it would seem they may have smudged her conception date to being before the flight left. Well why would they do that, maybe so that the widmores and abbadons of the world dont know suns baby was concieved on the island, caus ethat would make the baby more of a target. To me it seems awfully convenient for mr. paik, His daughter cant have any kids goes to this island he has business ties to and comes back with a grandaughter for him...hhhhhmmm
Did anyone else notice this screencap from "the other woman". It's supposedly from the tempest. Interesting that it's called the "box maker". As in "magic box"?
Damn my eyes are STILL wet from the tears of that episode. Such an emotional ending. Reminded me of when Charlie died.
In other news, we've gotta have a reunion party...or a get the hell out of here mob because Michael is back and he is gonna kill someone to save his son (again) according to the commercials of next week's episode.
And apparently, he is gonna cry, say "I'm sorry" (Same words he said before killing the Latino chick :D) and then he'll push a big red button that says 'EXECUTE'.
Aaron as one of the O6: I could see the airlines giving Claire's ticket to Aaron, sort of saying that he inherited the right to use it.
But that would require recognizing that Aaron is Claire's son, and that brings up the problems of why they would let Kate raise him, not a next of kin. Hmm, there's more to this story than we know. But I bet that's why he's considered an O6.
Random thought: Rose doesn't want to leave the Island because she's convinced the Island healed her from cancer, right? But doesn't this suppose that leaving the Island would cause the cancer to return?
Why would it return? If she's really healed, and not just had her disease rendered inactive, then why would she get sick again?
If Locke left the Island, would he be in a wheelchair again? maybe but only because we've seen him lose the use of his legs at times on the Island. So maybe it's the Island keeping him standing up. But I'm not sure I'd think that I'd have to stay put for my healing to remain. After all, Rose went to Australia to be healed by that witchdoctor guy, and if she got healed there she wouldn't feel the need to stay in Australia, right?
Ok, it's real late and I'm thinking way too much!
amused, I guess it depends on whether the Island simply heals or cures, and whether Isaac (Scorpius!) worked the same.
I agree with Maven. Aaron is one of the O6. The big question is why Kate found it necessary to call him her son...
TVGuide's Matt Roush has a few questions about viewer's commitment to LOST. He deals with the frustrations of the casual viewers vs the devotion to the series of viewers like us. I find it very frustrating in dealing with some of my casual viewer friends when I try to discuss the latest episode with them. They seem so bewildered as to what is happening and do not get it. And when I bring up an important plot point they look at me with a blank stare! When I reference a previous episode, they don't remember it, and they wonder why that's important. Ugh...I'm ready to pull my hair out sometimes! I'm so grateful for you guys. I just hope there's more of US then THEM.
I think Jin is dead in this particular future. (Chuckles has his purgatory theory and I have my manipulated time/multiple futures theory. In addition to my something-is-in-the-island-water theory.)
I also think Aaron is one of the 06. Kids count.
I won't be surprised if I'm wrong, though. :)
Yeah, I don't think Sun would be THAT emotional if they were just covering up Jins death because he was still on the island.
Thanks for the TV Guide read maven. Yeah LOST is just not for the casual viewer really. My mother in law was here a couple of weeks ago and was asking me questions about the show. I appreciated her interest, but it was frustrating because there was no simple way to answer her questions. That's just the way it is now- you either are a fan or you're not. The only chance a casual viewer may have is to watch one of the clip shows to catch up.
Lost Podcasting Network
I found our own David A Dein making a guest appearance on the Cranky Fanatic's podcast for Ji Yeon. Way to go David!
Made some very good points and plugged our site too. Yowza!
Oops, I meant to add that all spoilers are clearly marked at the end of the 'cast, and they only involved the "next on Lost" previews given at the end of the episode since Big O wants to stay spoiler free.
enjoy!
Interesting about that screencap Lostit, I didn't think anything about it when I saw it, good catch. :-) It's probably just the power-bus-box source, but considering what we know about boxes........it makes ya wonder!
i was studying the tempest layout and the computer screen and you can see where daniel is mixing the chemicals and the names or whatever hes doing, if you look theres a whole other part of the room in the diagram that nothings happening at that moment,prolly the other purpose for the tempest. Just like the classic dry ice to make it rain i have a strong feeling its purpose is to affect the weather and air on the island all the time...
it seems like each junction box in the diagram is a seperate chemical in the chain reaction to make the deadly gas, so i wonder what chemicals the unused junction boxes in the diagram are for...
http://bp2.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R9DGPcyb-iI/AAAAAAAAVG8/8L6eJyuhAzk/s1600-h/Image22.jpg
Thionyl chloride ------->N-Diisopropyl ?Dileoproply -------->
Thionyl chloride=used in water chlorination
I really like any ideas connecting the Tempest to weather alteration or manipulation, 2costa!
Here's the thing about Jin's tombstone though, (and I am not sure if anyone brought this up earlier. I looked through all 305 comments as thoroughly as possible and didn't see anything.)
The tombstone said that he died 9/22/04. The day of the crash. But the thing is that EVERYONE on board flight 815 should have a tombstone. Remember, they were ALL thought to be dead. Everyone in the outside world believed Jin died on 9/22/04 along with everyone else on Flight 815.
So this can POTENTIALLY mean that Jin is still alive, and everyone knows Jin is alive. But Sun was just visiting the tombstone from after the crash.
Diablo: I am in the camp that thinks that there's still the possibility that Jin is alive. But I don't think there were 324 grave sites around the world for the 815 "victims" when they were declared dead. We're not 100% sure when they were declared dead after the freckage was found. And if Jin's tombstone was put up then, wouldn't Sun's date of death been on it too? I'm hoping this grave is just part of whatever big cover-up happens on the island.
I'm pretty sure Jin's dead, just because of Sun's emotion. The date on the headstone is because the coverup entails that only 6 survived the crash and that all the others died on the 22nd.
Hi all, it's taken me a while to get through the comments.
2Costa - I have likened things in Lost to The Prisoner before, Ben seems to be like Number 2 and Jacob is like Number 1. Which probably makes Jack Number 6. The big balloons name was Rover and was indeed a security system that could kill as well as defend.
Regina's apparent suicide was odd, (what isn't on Lost), but it looks like she was either directed to do it (possibly by Walt) or she knew exactly what she was doing and will not (completely) die. I am favouring the latter as the Captain and other crews reaction was not strong enough for the former.
I am in the Jin is alive camp, but I'm not sure Sun or Hurley know about it. I think Jack, Kate and possibly Sayid know the truth about what happened but those two are relatively innocent, at least when we see that FF.
It was my wife who sussed the FF / FB split. I thought they might both be FF's but looking at different women giving birth, but she was right all along.
I don't want to spoil The Prisoner for anyone but people that have see it, if Jacob is Number 1 then we all know who he is now !
I'll try and describe the prisoner.
A secret agent appears to resign, because he is angry about something. He returns to his house, where he is gassed, he then wakes up in the Village.
The village is completely isolated, seemingly on an island, and everyone is given numbers instead of names. Our prisoner is known as Number six (we never find out his real name), the person in charge of the village is Number 2, he answers only to Number 1 whom we never see.
The village appears to be a prison for secret service agents that know too much and would be dangerous in the real world. However it is never really obvious who is a prisoner and who is a guard. Number 2 is after information on why Number 6 resigned and what information is he keeping from them.
There is a security system that can be deadly when deployed but can also simply capture prisoners. Called Rover it is in the form of a giant ball (actually a weather balloon)
The majority of the episodes relate to the manipulation of Number 6 into believing that he is in control of the situation and escape is possible. However in most cases the people running the village are in charge. Most weeks the Number 2 was a different person as they never managed to get the information required from Number 6.
Themes covered include things like brain washing, mind swapping, virtual reality, espionage, prison break outs, most episodes are not sci fi based, but use a bit of fantasy technology to move things along.
There were only 17 episodes of the series and it's ending, although definitive, was particularly frustrating for some, and just plain incomprehensible to others. It was a product of it's time (1960's) and was full of psychadellic references and was filmed in a fantastic location called Portmeirion, which was actually in North Wales but this was kept secret for a long time, and only announced during the last episode. I’ve been there a few times and it is literally like stepping onto the set of the TV show.
Sorry for the long post.
In Sayid's flashback episode, he is seen working for Ben. How does Ben get off the island? Is he considered to be the final member of the Oceanic Six (excluding Aaron of course)? I know his name wasn't on the passanger manafest, but maybe he assumed the identity of someone else on the plane?
What do you think?
Brendan - I think Ben has a method of leaving the island when he wants to. Like he has sent some of the others into the outside world.
I get a feeling that he doesn't want to leave himself, but he will be forced to leave at some point in the future, and his teaming up with Sayid has a mutual benefit to save the losties / save the island from Widmore, Paik, etc.
I am in two minds as to whether he is one of the O6, on one hand it is too much of a stretch to think that he could pass himself off as one of them. On the other hand it is just the sort of thing that would surprise the viewer the most.
I think Capcom suggested last week that Locke migh be the last O6 member, which is again one of the last things we might expect.
Hey LoCos! Nothing like coming home and having over 1000 updates in Google reader and 500 TLC comments to catch up on plus 90+ podcasts.
I'm going to try to stick some polls up over at my blog sometime today. I'll let you know when I do, but here are my quick and dirty thoughts on episode 4.7.
1. I got suspicious when I saw the cell phone about mixing Flash Forwards and Flash Backs. While I think it worked okay this time, I hope this will be the only LOST episode that utilizes this device. I think it was a bit of cheat. Despite my early suspicions I still managed to fret about the baby turning out to be Michael's and Jin being Ben's Asian hitman like Sayid.
2. I'm in the camp that Jin is alive and on the Island. I do not think that the O6 cover story is that Jin survived the crash but later died despite Kate's heroic efforts. TPTB have said that the other 2 who died in the cover story aren't important, and I think the date on Jin's tombstone debunks that theory as well.
3. I think Sun and Hurley and the rest of the O6 know that Jin is alive on the Island. I think Sun's confusion about Jin being alive while under her pain medication is evidence of this. But I also think that they've been told there is no way that a) they can return to the Island or b) that those left on Island can be returned to the world. I think that's the deal they made and Jin agreed to it to save Sun and baby. I think the visit to the cemetery is keeping up appearances for those they made the deal with. Moreover I think Hurley is glad no one else is there because they, especially Jack, make keeping the lie that much more difficult for everyone.
More later as this is already long enough.
Has anyone listened to DocArzt's interview with Damon on Jay and Jack's Thursday podcast? Is it spoilery?
Polls up on my blog. If you want to suggest any others, leave a comment and I'll add them.
there is really no difference between someone being dead and knowing you will absolutely never see them again. So sun's sorrow at the grave could be either option.
Zort i like Meadowlands as well its really a lot like the prisnoer as well. Also i think it was sweet casting of mcgoo as number 6 since he was previously the star of the show secret agent man.
I think the tempests chemicals are used for posative things as well as capable of nefarious things. It reminds me of how after 9/11 everyone was afraid about securing water treatment plants and fertilizer distributers, cause these chemicals can be mixed into weapons of mass destruction with very minimal chemistry knowledge, people have to be careful cleaning their bathroom cuase mixing bleach and ammonia is a bad scene.
another thing i thought of to add to my water on last post from before, is that charlie is also one who had vision on the island and the virgin mary, and if youll recall when he was trying to save aaron he kept taking trying to take aaron into the water.
something bothers me, its that people take the comments about not being able to change the future at face value. I think that the hawkins or whoever have an agenda to keep and they are trying to convince desmond that his fate is sealed, but if the future was set, then there hardly would be a need for hawkins at all to tell desmond what to do, becuase the unverse would course correct anyway right. It like all the different ways desmond saw charlie die, obviously someone is trying to change things, maybe it will prove futile, but maybe not...
Memphish: If they know there's no way back to the Island. Why did Jack insist that they try to go back in last season's finale? (He could be delusional, of course. Jack was kinda out of it that episode...)
dennis: Sorry for coming back to the discussion late, but no, I don't think there would be much meat on those bones after spoilerfixing. Most of it, we already know from the "Next week on LOST" preview at the end of Ji Yeon.
Crossfade said: Memphish: If they know there's no way back to the Island. Why did Jack insist that they try to go back in last season's finale?
It seems Jack doesn't know how to get back to the island. That's why he keeps using his Golden Pass and flying to Sydney and hoping they crash again. It must have been part of the deal that the O6 won't be told how they leave the island. But obviously, whatever deal was worked out is something Jack cannot ultimately live with and feels he must change it. He probably will be trying to convince the other O6ers to go back with him...he's tried it with Kate already. And Hurley is heading there.It will be interesting if he does figure out how to get back.
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memphish, welcome back... you were missed! I was gone this past weekend, too, and it has taken awhile to get caught up. I agree that I don't want them to mix FB and FF again; it seemed "a bit of a cheat" and I even thought Jin's FB didn't serve any purpose other than for the cheat or to show how much he has changed since he came to the island (but we all know that). And yes, I also was wondering if Sun's baby would look a bit like Michael:)
2costa, interesting thoughts about not being able to change the future. I agree: "obviously someone is trying to change things"
Yes: Happy St. Patrick's Day to everyone!
Nice theories everyone! I'm still sickly, so I'm pearling away here, and enjoying it thoroughly. :-)
Thanks for the Prisoner info Zort! I loved that show.
Also, it wasn't me that said that about Locke. I have no clue as to what to think about the O-6 peeps. No theories here at all on that. :-B
Welcome back Memphish. Wow, that would be horrible if Jin had to stay on as one of Ben's hitmen, to save Sun and baby. Poor Jin.
Crossfade -- I think Ben is going to be the way that the O6 leave the Island. Ben already has his people convinced that they can't return to the Island if they leave because the sub sonar buoy has been knocked off line. I don't see any reason why Ben wouldn't sell this same story to the O6 and with Juliet and Kate and Sayid's discussion with Mikhail to back that up I can see that they would readily believe it.
Also, as Maven pointed out Jack's attempts to re-find the Island, hoping to crash again, are about the dumbest way ever to find it. I think is convinced pre-TTLG that there are no sane ways to find the Island.
So how will they find it? Beats me, but what I might like to see is Hurley communing with Charlie and getting instructions or as many have suggested some sort of teaming up between the O6 and the Widmores something I believe the O6 will believe is like turning to the enemy. I still think Ben is the ultimate baddy though.
Feel better soon Capcom. As we cruised across and back across Tennessee this past week we noticed that everyone here in Memphis has finally gotten over winter colds only in time to be hit with spring pollen. I had to clean the snow off my car last week, and this week it's green from the trees.
I heard an interesting idea on The Transmission. A commenter suggested that 3.2 million equals roughly $10,000/body for 324 bodies. Interesting, huh? Maybe Ben sold those bodies to Widmore and that's how Miles knows the number. I wouldn't put it past Ben and Widmore to actually working both together and yet at odds with one another. Sort of a case of making an alliance early in Survivor only to have it break down at the end since there can only be 1 Survivor.
For those of us who read the ever so bad Bad Twin, in the last audio OLP Darlton essentially confirmed that the Hanso/Widmore ties described in the book are legitimate canon which could explain why Charles Widmore would know that he wanted the Black Rock ledger in the first place.
Does anyone have any ideas about how you reconcile Kate with a 3-month-old assuming they get off the Island in the next month yet Sun being only 3 months pregnant. How are the O6 stories going to add up with these babies?
Sorry for all the posts, but you had to figure after being gone for a week, this is what you'd see. :-)
Why isn't Kate more worried for Sun? Doesn't she know that pregnant women die on the Island? I always thought she did or is this information that only Sun and Juliet has? I feel certain that Kate was standing right there when Sun demanded of Juliet "what happens to pregnant women on this Island?" back in DOC and Juliet revealed "they die." But now it seems as if Kate (and no one else) has or believes that information.
memphish - personally, I wanted to smack Kate in this episode. I mean more so than usual. :) I think she's got a real vendetta against Juliet right now (no small part of which I'm sure is directly related to the attention Jack's been paying to Juliet lately). When she was telling Sun about what had happened in the previous episode, she just seemed like she was out to make Juliet look as bad as possible. Frankly, I think she was willing to let Sun go if it meant that she had turned someone against Juliet. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say that she was planning to retrieve Sun eventually.
Or maybe Kate doesn't believe Juliet's story about the pregnant women, since she doesn't believe anything else that Juliet has said.
Memphish: You're forgiven for multiple posts... You've been gone for a week and must have so many pent up comments!
I think you're right about Kate knowing about what happens to pregnant women on the island. I guess it's now an issue of trust (which was mentioned a lot on last weeks show). Is Juliet trustworthy? I don't think Kate would send Sun and Jin to Locke just out of spite against Jack/Juliet. She probably really doesn't believe Juliet anymore. And Sun really doubts the freighter people now.
Interesting side note in Fishbisbuits recap this week: We've been saying that Regina maybe the R.G. on Naomi's bracelet (which added to her suicide). But what about Capt. "G"ault? We don't know his first name yet, do we?
This is going back to The Constant. Didn't Damon say in Doc Jensen that Minkowski was traveling to the future? How would that work if Minkowski died (which we saw) in the present? Whose body on the ferris wheel would Minkowski's 2004 consciousness inhabit if his body dies in 2004 on a freighter?
More old info. posts. I loved the Jay and Jack listener theory that Ethan is Widmore's man on the Island like Michael is Ben's man on the boat as an explanation for why Ben sent Ethan as well as Goodwin on what turned out to be suicide missions.
2Costa, I also like your idea that The Tempest is designed to control the weather or the field around the Island. Given that name it would make sense. I wonder though if the name and its purpose is a DI red herring like that of The Orchid. I also liked LOST2010's idea about using the volcano for energy and harnessing the gas as a bi-product. In the audio OLP Darlton suggested that DI was purposefully manufacturing chemical weapons and gave a couple of suggestions as to why that would be. I guess Ben's people just kept it up.
A lot of people on podcasts are making a big deal that Sun's emotional display at the cemetery convinced them Jin is dead. To them I would say don't forget what an accomplished liar Sun is. Also don't forget Ben's use of stagecraft on Island. I think the scene at the cemetery is an extension of that for the O6. I forget what Sun's lying tell is, looking down I think. I'd need to rewatch to see if she does it in this episode.
Finally, I like the idea that Regina was driven to suicide by Walt, but it begs the question, why pick on Regina instead of those with the power to turn this boat around?
Hi memphish
Welcome back hope you had a nice time.
This is going back to The Constant. Didn't Damon say in Doc Jensen that Minkowski was traveling to the future? How would that work if Minkowski died (which we saw) in the present? Whose body on the ferris wheel would Minkowski's 2004 consciousness inhabit if his body dies in 2004 on a freighter?
I could be wrong but here's my thought. I haven't read the article, I'm spolier-phobic. But if Damon said Minkowski was traveling to the future(which I thought he was traveling to the past)how about this? His 2004 consciousness was traveling to the past, on his way back which could be perceived as traveling to the future is when he died. Trying to get back to his present. When he died he said he couldn't get back.
I don't know it's just a thought.
Also thanks for the info that the Bad Twin connection between Hanso and Widmore is canon I was wondering about that.
Oh by the way. I've rewatching all the old episodes. If Sawyer did find the pregnancy test he gave Sun from the plane wreckage that may be a link to both planes the wreckage and the freckage. I think it's been mentioned before that maybe Widmore owns Oceanic.
But that still leaves the 324 dead bodies.
I think sayid will be the key to jack and hurley finding the island. He actually works with ben and comes in contact with the widmore people enough to find out lots of info, before he kills them. I think tha hurley saying good when he found out nobody else was going to the funeral, is like jack saying he was neither freind nor family to coffin person. That is part of their deal to keep it all secret and talking to each other is prolly not a good idea becuase they might slip out of the cover story. Hurley was on the korean t.v. before so it would make sense that he had korean business ties, and thus an excuse to be in korea....did u goys notice how nikki was on sun's tv this week?
Thanks for your thoughts Sayid's Girl. If I get a chance I'll post the actual quote that is non-spoilery. I'd like to get the Sci Fi types take on it.
LostCasts was having an interesting discussion about Ben being the guy in the coffin and whether or not that would make it easier or harder to get back to the Island. If it is Ben in the coffin I like your idea 2Costa that Sayid is the key. Maybe he captures rather than kills one of his targets and gets the info.
But why would Sun show fake emotion in front of Hurley? Wouldn't he know if Jin was still alive on the island?
I think Sun's emotion is real, just that Jin is unreachable, not dead.
it wasnt fake crossfade, she would be sorrowful if jin was on the island, with no hope of ever seeing him again right? Maybe they are affraid Ben or whoever they have this secret deal with is watching?
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